I have Rachel Goshwell as a friend on Facebook. She recently posted a article piece in which Bjork was discussing the music industry and how it was a "boys club". Now lately there's been a lot of talks in the media about sexism and over all the current relationship between the sexes. I was very tempted to comment on her status, but given the people who commented on her status I knew I wasn't going to get a levelheaded discussion. So do you guys think? Is the music industry really sexist against women, or is this just another instance of the radical left's spin doctors creating controversy to further their agenda?
99% of producers and engineers and album creators are men. Most women are bored in those roles and don't learn them.
>>65337000
Why do girls cry so much?
>>65337000
because women in music are marketed for sex, it's not really that hard to figure out
it's really funny that you came here of all places to have a proper discussion about this
>I wanted a level-headed discussion about misogyny
>so I went to 4chan
not even an SJW and that just is all sorts of what, OP
is this the part where i post bjork?
>>65338968
this thread was shite to begin with so sure thing mr. lopez
yes the music industry is probably sexist
either that or literally every notable person to ever comment on it was lying (hint: they weren't)
I don't think it is. I've gone to 3 different music schools, and i's been true for all of them; women don't study composition, production, engineering, management, etc. They want to play or sing. I have no clue why this is, and I guess you might argue that it is down to deeply ingrained societal norms or whatever, but men filling the majority of roles women don't strive to fill =/= sexism.
>>65337000
And what agenda would that be? Not being pressed for sexual favors in the music industry? Kesha is dealing with it, grimes has mentioned it, it's not that difficult to understand what happens when you put a bunch of horny men into power.
>>65338968
Yes do it for our queen.
>>65339164
>Kesha is dealing with it
I thought she'd been proven a liar? In any case, a few bad eggs doesn't render an entire industry sexist.
>>65339220
>>65339242
It happens in every entertainment industry, just because you don't hear about it more often doesn't mean it isn't happening, what good would it do the person to come forward and mark themselves as difficult to work with thus ending their career? You can either try to change the system, in which you'll most likely fail because lawyers and money, or you can continue trying to have a career and going to therapy. These type of people are harbored until finally it's blown wide open at which point more people come forward and we wonder how it's managed to go on for so long, it's a cycle, we see it all the time. It's the powerful preying on the weak who want to make it and are willing to do what it takes.
>>65339420
she's a screamer...in the sac 8^DDDD
Yes it's sexist. No question.
Whether it's Bjork or FKA Twigs or whoever it's sexist.
>>65339482
>just because you don't hear about it more often doesn't mean it isn't happening
So, wait... How do you know that it is?
daily reminder to be nice to bork
>>65339662
He's an idiot. You hear about it all the time in music
>>65339674
Considering how many successful women there are in the music industry, it clearly isn't.
Wether there are sexist people in positions of power within it is another matter, and I'd be willing to bet a hand on the fact that there are.
>>65339728
I really don't. Once in a while, I guess, but it hardly seems rampant.
Industry's full of arrogant, self-centered pricks that treat everyone around them like shit, there's sexism for sure but calling it a "boys club" to me implies a degree of camaraderie between the men that doesn't exist
How come Japanese rock bands have women much more frequently?
>>65341537
>>65337000
>I have Rachel Goswell as a friend on Facebook
that's actually sick
>>65342222
Human behavior and Isobel are one of her coolest looking music videos.
which do you prefer to listen too, Debut or Post?
>>65338360
Is it sexist to take the path of least resistance? To use whatever advantage afforded to you to advance your career?
>>65342397
Post but furiously masturbating to the cover of Debut.
>>65342608
>>65339420
Why does it look like she has the downs?
>>65342397
debut all the way
>>65342842
no downs just qt
>>65337000
>wasn't going to get a levelheaded discussion
so, naturally, you come to /mu/
>>65342842
all the cool girls are downs
>>65337000
checked
>coalburner
all worth is now null
>>65343011
He got fucking trips. Is no one going to derail the thread with that?
Is Björk the Björk of our Björk?
>>65339808
>Considering how many successful women there are in the music industry, it clearly isn't.
if you're talking strictly performers, then yeah. women are more in the spotlight than they have ever been.
but when it comes to engineering, producer, promoter, etc. roles women are vastly outnumbered. it's not as visible so there's not as much discussion.
the problem is that young girls who might be interested in those behind-the-scenes careers don't see anyone like them to look up to, so they don't even consider it as an option and look for something else. it's a cycle that perpetuates itself.
then again i'm not sure how many women are genuinely interested in those types of roles. even with gear enthusiasts, people who are not pursuing anything as a career, women are few and far between.
>>65340015
difficult to have camaraderie among people who are ultimately giant egotists
>>65343294
>young girls who might be interested in those behind-the-scenes careers
there aren't any opportunites for attention whoring there
>>65343272
She's the Björk of my heart.
>>65343272
bork
>>65343697
i like this
>>65337000
This is a >>>/pol/ thread. Go there.
>>65342842
I don't see it.
what's her name again?
>>65345907
brek
>>65342397
Post is my favorite album but thats most likely fueled by nostalgia
>>65343294
I went to school for audio engineering and there were plenty of women with the same degree
who is she talking too?
>>65347230
Is that Rivers Cuomo?
>>65343294
>he problem is that young girls who might be interested in those behind-the-scenes careers don't see anyone like them to look up to, so they don't even consider it as an option and look for something else. it's a cycle that perpetuates itself.
Then they're retarded. If you need to share the same genitals as someone to look up to them then you're too dumb to live.
>>65347455
If there's too many guys though she might think she could be fucked over a console and ruin the fire eq settings
>>65343294
>the problem is that young girls who might be interested in those behind-the-scenes careers don't see anyone like them to look up to, so they don't even consider it as an option and look for something else. it's a cycle that perpetuates itself.
this is the same reason the left (mostly the regressive left) give to justify changes to womens sports, the film industry, ect. if we force enough women in various roles (through affirmative action or whatever) then it will become more normalised, and more people will start paying attention to it (e.g. giving womens sports the same amount of prize money as men despite crowd turnouts and sponsorship deals). for the film industry, to force concepts like an all girls cast (like the ghostbusters reboot) may result in a shitty film but will encourage writers to include more women in their scripts, leading to better character development ect. the SJWs will defend all of this until the end of time because they have nothing else better to do.
>>65339164
>being pressed for sexual favors
>grimes has mentioned it
>fucking grimes
now I know you're baiting
is it a bad thing that i really really want to fuck bjork
>>65347790
no brother you're just like the rest of us able bodied straight cis white males
>>65347861
she's not someone you'd normally want to fuck that much though, right?
>>65347861
i'm black and want to fuck her. I don't know if black counts as able-bodied though.
>>65337000
music industry? does it even exist still?
Who cares
>>65339134
PHILOSOPHY:
to state a present day reality about a group is to support the continuing state of them in that reality
to not want to move a group from one reality to a "better" reality is "ethically bad"
"better" in this case is defined as "more creative" and "more entrepreneurial" perhaps regarding art?
is making art an act of "empowerment?" does reducing the act of "majoring in composition" to the mere state of "overcoming a power structure" have a negative effect on society as a whole?
is it possible that things are fine how they are, already?
when females are angry about something in the world, is it OK to both take their thoughts into account, and also discard them quickly thereafter?
is it possible to have a realistic, positive, loving, good outlook on reality that takes all people into account - MEN AND WOMEN BOTH - and all realities, which all can agree upon and feel peaceful about? can men and women, as one example of "identities" - ever really fully agree? can women ever "admit" anything negative about their "identity" while remaining friends? can groups be understood realistically and compassionately beyond gender and political lines? in a new way? just wondering.
I hope so
>>65349016
>>65349199
Why does this make me laugh so much??
>>65348611
you probably have a better chance considering she's known for her bbc fetish
>>65349421
it's a bit late i suppose
