Listening to this for the 3rd time, finally it's clicking on me, opinions on pic related /mu/?
>>65209244
What's the point of guitar music when this is already made?
>>65209244
the title track is probably one of the masterpieces of guitar music imo, probably the most beautiful, visceral playing i've ever heard, that entire album to be honest, not just for guitar as well. Anything similiar to his? in my top 10 for sure
Friendly reminder that Marquee Moon is not post punk
>>65209334
>>65209287
>masterpiece of guitar music
I like it, but I don't see why nor how
>>65209334
Buy Contortions
Blank Generation
Radio Ethiopia
>>65209384
It's been discussed to death in books, but its heavily inspired by minimalism, which was completely different from the blues rock and prog rock of the time. It's stylistically very influential.
>>65209384
Just my opinion I guess :^)
>>65209392
Cheers duderino, already got contortions but not other two yet, Horses is dope
>not being blown away on first listen
Having to "get" music is pleb as fuck.
>>65209466
I don't know about that, since bands like Neu and TVU where already using minimalist influences on their music years and even a decade before them.
I still fail to see the connection with guitar music.
Also, influential to whom and how?
>>65209384
why can't it be post-punk?
>>65209632
Because none of the songs are post punk
>>65209568
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquee_Moon#Legacy_and_influence
Some critics see it as an obvious precursor to Alternative rock
>>65209662
>no
ok
this album might be a bit early for post punk but way before this television had already in what would be the first wave punk scene so it would make sense that theyre a bit ahead of the curve
>>65209244
I couldn't get past the first two tracks because of his voice.
>>65209666
Yeah, sure the band was influential, but not the title track, that's what I meant.
>>65209853
Not even that. Bands like Pere Ubu were already playing post punk style music during 75-76, and bands like Chrome had already released post punk albums in 77 (and probably 76, but haven't listened to that one).
>>65209334
Felt
>>65210001
>Yeah, sure the band was influential, but not the title track, that's what I meant.
Was that really what you meant? We were clearly discussing the album, not just a song off of it
>>65209666
i always had Daydream Nation as the percursor of alternative rock
>>65210001
Television had been playing this shit for years before Marquee Moon came out, it's actually a pretty late album given their career span
Hipster AC/DC.
Listen to it and try to figure out whether it's Tom Verlaine or Richard Lloyd playing, it's damn near impossible.
>>65210160
>>65209392
Yeah mean Contortions as in James chances and the Contortionists? If not I rec that, other than that Pop Group Y goes quite well
>>65210083
See >>65209334
That's the original post I replied to
>>65210131
Yeah, but the same can be said about Chrome and Pere Ubu, so Television were not the firsts
>>65210130
>not R Stevie Moore
Plen
>>65210343
You replied to two posts my friend. I was the other guy
literally one of the greatest albums of all time.
objectively top 10.
>>65210343
More to the point, Television shit all over Pere Ubu for fun
What do you guys think of Adventure though?
>>65209384
>>65209568
>>65210343
Genres aren't that black and white. All post-punk means is that a band played punk music with heavy influences in other types of music. It's neither an era of music nor some completely different type of rock music with nothing in common with punk. A single listen to Marquee Moon should reveal the influences in jazz and psychedelic rock, which makes it a post-punk album. It doesn't really matter much anyway; assigning a restricted number of genres to describe music is fucking stupid.
>>65210444
It's pretty good, though not nearly as great as Marquee Moon. The s/t album is pretty solid too.
>>65210402
Oh, fair enough
>>65210418
Definitely not. Maaaaybe Top 500, but even that I would doubt. I mean, it wasn't even the best album of it's year.
>>65210433
huh
>>65210565
>post-punk means is that a band played punk music with heavy influences in other types of music
No
>With its roots in the mid to late 1970s, post-punk is a movement that followed on the heels of the initial Punk Rock explosion. While retaining its roots in punk rock, post-punk is generally more complex and introverted. Also, musicians tend to be much more experimental, often incorporating influences from Dub, Electronic, Funk, Krautrock, Art Rock, and Experimental music.
What you are describing would be "art punk".
>A single listen to Marquee Moon should reveal the influences in jazz and psychedelic rock
It's not even that jazzy not psych-y
>assigning a restricted number of genres to describe music is fucking stupid.
I'm sorry you are not as enlightened as I am
imo the album is front loaded as fuck. Album may as well have ended at Elevation, after that the rest of the tracks are bad rehashes of the first half's ideas.
I have the same opinion about First Utterance, album should have ended at Song to Comus
>>65212019
but Prove It is the second best on the album anon
>>65209244
My favorite album of all time
>>65209384
I mean they were a punk band and then moved beyond that, in a way it's literally post-punk
>>65212309
That's not post punk, see last reply from >>65211947
Friendly reminder
>>65209244
It's fuckin great, what else need be said?
>>65211947
>>65212389
Nobody cares you fucking autist
if Joy Division and Low-era Bowie is considered post-punk, Television is fucking post-punk.
>>65212278
Truth
>>65212019
>not having the extra tracks
>not furiously masturbating to little Johnny jewel and untitled instrumental
>>65209244
My favorite album ever but let's not forget that Adventure is great too. Seriously guys give it another listen, it's got some really great songs, and carried away is much more flowery and sentimental than anything on MM which I dig a lot.
>>65212412
>2Sexy4U
>>65209244
>finally it's clicking on me
this doesn't make sense to me. it's not like it's a difficult album at all. it's extremely catchy and melodic rock music
Probably my favorite album ever. I never get tired of it.
>>65209384
they are proto post-punk
>>65214417
Not post-punk on the first place, proto-post-punk would be something like pere ubu, but not television
