"singing" and "music" seem to just be a pretense at this point. They're literally just soft-core strippers. Sex-appeal has gone from a side-attraction to the main purpose of pop-music.
>>64674745
Welcome to 1968, babe
Look in your heart. You know it to be true.
>>64674745
Its the industry s promotion of image over talent. Now, looks are more important then vocal talent. If you can't carry a tune we'll just use autotune to fix the vocals.
>>64674745
Pretty much.
I know a number of dudes who don't give a shit how stupid the songs are as long as the eye candy is shaking that ass onstage.
>>64674745
maybe kpop but not really here although that would certainly be nice.
I like one of her new songs well enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBAHqRnSgRw
>>64674843
>but not really here
Have you been under a rock for the last few years?
>>64674773
What does this have to do with 1968? Music has always had a sexual dimension. Sex is arguably at the root of a lot of human psychology. It's just that modern pop music is just sexual titillation with a sing-song in the background. That was rare in the past, now it dominates the top40.
This is true of some male-pop singers too.
>>64674745
isn't it great?
>>64674789
>89
Nice
>>64674868
K-pop fills the void in Korean mens' lives left by the government banning porn
In the West porn is easily accessible. Furthermore, most of our pop singers are kind of disgusting (Miley) and offputting compared to porn stars.
No one has a Western pop star as their waifu. They're just shock jocks now.
>>64674920
>No one has a Western pop star as their waifu
Excuse me
Hey, I'm here.
>>64674920
My bad. I just re-read your first post and totally got it fucked up intitially. You are correct all the way.
>>64674876
The point
.
.
.
Your head
This shit has been going on since the invention of modern pop music and pop idol culture in the 1960s.
>>64674920
did they really ban porn in korea? holy shit this explains a lot
>>64674920
>K-pop fills the void in Korean mens' lives left by the government banning porn
This pretty much sums up the entire country's entertainment industry
>mainsteam female pop singers calling themselves 'feminist'
>>64674981
Not even close to what is going on these last few years.
>>64674745
yes
I feel like back in the day if someone wanted music, they'd buy a record. If they wanted titillation, they'd buy a porn mag, go to a strip club, or try and meet girls. The music industry gradually melded titillation into their products to the point where now it's almost 75% titillation, 25% music.
It's like a peanut butter cup of sex and music, with a rich sexy centre and a coating of sing-song.
>>64675028
It only seems that way because you're a kid with no historical perspective. If anything it's much more incremental and tame now than it was then. It was still subversive and controversial in the '60s.
>>64674830
Yep and as soon as it's a guy doing that kind of music they hate it. So much irony. Lack of music education has made a few generations of musical illiterates.
>>64675156
>Yep and as soon as it's a guy doing that kind of music they hate it.
Like who?
I bet I know who you're gonna say and they both had albums last year.
>>64674981
I agree that it started in the 1960s with the Beatles. The Beatles weren't just selling music, they were selling an image: a cadre of four young mop-top men in tight trousers who sang about "love you do" and hand-holding. The difference is that gradually the musical dimension has become slimmer and slimmer and now you hardly have any substance.
The sexy young rock-stars of the 60s were also great musicians. The music execs gradually realised that "talent" and "musical literacy" and "genius" weren't a necessary ingredient in the pop-star pie.
If you could get a shirt-less fabio to dance and sing lovey-dovey nonsense with an air of badboy-ness that was enough to sell millions of records. It wasn't anywhere near this bad in the 1960s. It's went from 10% sex appeal, 90% music to 90% sex appeal 10% music between the 1960 and 2010.
I like to imagine all the female pop singers getting suppressed behind the scenes, with threats like getting raped or even murdered every time they choose to resist dressing up like a slut for photoshoots, performance, press or whatever.
>>64675274
That's actually fairly common in Korea. Less so in the west, but it happens here as well. No one's forced to sign up to become a pop-star. They understand what it entails. Not that I don't have sympathy for people who become a slave to their recording contracts, but they signed up to it entirely of their own accord.
>>64675360
You mean all those sweet tight bodied thick thighs girls are getting fucked by old men and I'm not able to watch it?
FUCK
>>64675360
the third one looks like the OGN interviewer
>>64675360
Why do you think Western pop stars always go completely mental after they expire but Idols stay cute?
>>64675470
Faceless old men, at that.
>>64675470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIEPSgf-ZKE
>>64674745
kys
at least now you can know how tits are faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfN4PVaOU5Q
>>64675635
Riahanna is easily one of the worst things in the universe. I saw an interview she did in 2012, and I swear, she sounded mentally retarded. It comes through in her "music".
>>64675581
I like to imagine that all the cute tight bodied thick thighs girls get sexually assaulted frequently behind the scenes, maybe the manager or the CEO occasionally drop a slap on those tight ass cheeks when they try to protest. And then he laughs it off while slut shaming them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HkEkbIhwv0
Seriously, I think she has a learning disability. There's no way a person can be this stupid. It's not her background, it's just her. She's an exceptionally small-minded person.
She only has a career because some American record producer scouted her out and sent her on a plane to hollywood to basically be a singing stripper.
>>64675106
I can guarantee that i'm a hell of a lot older than you are. There were no female singers dressed like strippers, bent over at the front of the stage shaking their asses, rubbing their crotches and doing shit like sucking the dick on an inflatable doll.
Not even close.
>>64675879
>rubbing their crotches
I've only seen Iggy do that and it was just at the beginning to get infamous as far as I know
>>64675879
Yeah, there are people who want to equivocate for some reason, when clearly the two things aren't equivalent at all. The music industry has taken a nose-dive and it relies on a sort of depraved sexual excitement that was very rare before the 1990s. I agree that everything is a process. We didn't arrive here overnight. The music industry got gradually and gradually more cheap and lazy.
>>64675879
agreed. I'm 55. This was as racy as it got aside from maybe the production of "Hair"
>>64675935
have you never seen Miley? what rock have you been under?
>>64676070
oh well she's ugly as fuck so she doesnt count
>>64675935
He's just giving a specific example, it's the general degradation of popular music. The crotch-rubbing is just an example of countless things.
I'm a very liberal person btw. I just think music should be about music. If people want porn, they should just get porn. As soon as some old hollywood exec's nihilistic sex fantasies start to overtake the creation of complex and interesting music, I'll be up in arms.
It's a sort of imposed dumbing down of society, turning us into brainless consumer drones. It's pathetic. Humanity is so much better than this.
I wouldn't mind if Azalea, Minaj, or whoever were strippers. I do mind that they're "artists". These people's cheap and idiotic crap shouldn't be put up with as "entertainment".
>>64676031
Stuff like that is pretty funny to me looking at all this because a lot of female musicians, like Grace Slick there, were damn good looking and sexy without seeming like a tramp.
That's what a lot of these current pop "divas" or whatever the hell they are calling themselves seem to not understand.
>>64674745
You picked probably the worst picture for this topic. She has incredible vocal range and a lot of talent (although her music is just shitty pop). She's also not particularly provocative in her shows outside of the tight clothes she wears.
>>64675271
nah, it's just at that standards for what's provocative changed.
really, it's just as sexy and provocative to us as elvis and them were at that time.
>>64676195
Fuck off. He's 100% correct.
>>64675879
>shaking their asses
THE HORROR
>>64676174
I'm judging her genre. Maybe if it weren't for the genre she makes music in, she would be a great singer. She's using her supposedly incredible vocal range to make trite crap.
>>64674895
i'd like to 89 with taylor swift ;^]
>>64676190
That's not what I'm arguing m8. I'm saying the music has gotten worse. I understand perfectly what's provocative has changed, but it's wholly irrelevant to the discussion.
Fact is, we're reaching the point of peak open sexuality. Society will naturally start slowly trending toward preferring modesty again once the shock/novelty of the current state of affairs wears thin and it no longer is considered fashionable to do so, and then eventually it will swing back in the other direction again.
>>64676262
I doubt this, and I don't mind sexual openness. I think that's great actually. The problem is bad music. Image over substance. The arts have so much substance to them that we should be enjoying, but instead we have people waving their asses like baboons dumbing it all down.
If these pop-stars all became strippers tomorrow, I would see that as their right. I don't see it as their right to shit up the things I like. They should fuck off from music.
>>64676190
Radio was not a visual medium. Videos didn't exist. Only place you would see artists was on the regular Television shows like American Bandstand and Soul Train. Or variety shows like the Smothers Brothers or Ed Sullivan. Anyone who had hit records had bonafied talent or they wouldn't have got the break to recording contract in the first place. The same can not be said for the manufactured pop stars being marketed today.
>>64676133
>Humanity is so much better than this.
lol no
>>64676205
>buhu fixing the vocal tracks of a poor singer is a bit less arduous then it used to be
Yeah that's some real insight, not at all youtube comment tier.
>>64676319
>Anyone who had hit records had bonafied talent or they wouldn't have got the break to recording contract in the first place. The same can not be said for the manufactured pop stars being marketed today.
>>64674745
Dude look at kpop general. It's just a place for people to post "singers" to fap to.
![11117395_1[1].jpg_v=8CE3629EC7A84B0.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/icR37Xl.jpg "11117395_1[1].jpg_v=8CE3629EC7A84B0.jpg")
>>64674745
You can find a lot of bikini pics of 40's/50's "pop starlets," usually published in celebrity magazines back then. I mean, look at how they marketed Doris Day way back in during World War II:
>>64674745
in korea theyre a substitute for porn because porn is illegal
>>64676174
Her vocals are good but nothing phenomenal. She can't put power to all of that range. She has a limited power range which is why she may never reach full diva status. She's no Christina.
>>64676376
What are you on about. This is 4chan, the ultimate ocean of piss. You can't have standards here, go back to re/ddit.
>>64676376
Give me one example of a "fixed" vocal track from the 50's, 60's, or 70's. An the arthritic vocal manipulation the Beatles did on their later albums do not fall in this category. It didn't happen back then. Lord help Cass Elliot if she had been born after 1985. She had a tremendous voice but the "image over talent" industry today would never have accepted her. Nor would the "no fatty's" mindset of the younger generations.
>>64676550
They did some cool doubling stuff which can make the ~5 cent pitchyness and vibrato sound awesome. Many mistake this for autotune but it's not even close. If you suck, the effect sucks.
>>64676465
This happened only after they had proven themselves with real talent.
>>64676376
Piss off.
With autotune you don't have to make any real effort to sing in key.
Try seeing which of the current pop types can hit it like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bxf2X4zP5k&list=RD3bxf2X4zP5k
>>64676603
And this mostly doesn't apply to the Beatles but def the 70s and 80s
>>64676613
Production techniques were more limited back then. They couldn't just take a girl with absolute garbage vocals and make it sound passable; they had to have competent material to begin with.
>>64676603
Which artist did this?
>>64676660
Boston. Ozzie.
>>64676603
Keep in mind your conversing with someone who was alive in the period we are discussing.
>>64676676
Are you telling me Boston and Ozzie were marketed to be sexy and they manupulated their vocals to market them?
>>64676660
Literally hundreds of artists. And not on the verses, usually the chorus.
>>64676659
>>64676620
Horrible singing through autotune still sounds like shit. And if you insist on being hipster there are older ways of pretending that some random hot girl is a singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2gdbQpESNY
>>64676717
Of course. They had record labels interested in making money. It's not really manipulation having someone sing something as well as they can twice and pushing one of the tracks louder than the other.
>>64676717
They would also cut the best take of the chorus and use that each time it comes around, rather than have to get it perfect three or four times. Billy Joel it's pretty obvious on some songs but hundreds did this aswell.
>>64676676
Layering vocal tracks.
I was watching a documentary on the making of Paranoid and they played Ozzy's vocal tracks. He (and the band) was smart enough to know what he couldn't do and stayed in what his voice could handle.
I've never heard Brad Delp's vocal isolated tracks but it seems that Scholz was going for a more "bigger" sound on the vocals.
>>64676784
Yep this is exactly it. I'm not knocking these guys at all. They're the real deal.
She does tend to oversexualize her image, but she's probably one of the few pop artists that can actually sing well live and in studio.
>>64676748
You can almost be sure record scout that first saw Boston performing live didn't sign them to a contract because he thought he could make more marketable with audio trickery. They were not a handsome band. They did write very catchy rock songs though.
>>64676550
>Lord help Cass Elliot if she had been born after 1985
>who is adele
>>64676844
Their hits would still make hits today I think.
>>64676850
Have you seen Cass Elliot. She was twice the size of Adele. And Adele gets flack for her size. Can you imagine the ridicule she would have to undergo if she were twice her size?
What a new and original thought.
>>64676908
what is this obsession with originality. Nothing is original and the greatest artists steal because all the best parts have been done but it's how you use them and combine them that make it unique or fresh. Music is timeless but people die.
>>64676963
>people die
plebs
>>64676745
Ah yeah, that trick was used quite a bit back in the 80s. The thing back then is that no one really took the singer seriously unless she was also a keyboardist or something. If she was there to get the party started and get the crowd moving, all was fine. Anything pretentious attitudes towards actual singing ability were considered a funny joke.
Why would you complain about the only good thing in pop music
>>64676983
No really. Whatever the fuck you listen to that you think is so unique has undoubtedly been done a hundred times before a thousand different ways but the music is ultimately still the same. It's all grooves and trickery.
>>64677038
i'm pretty sure he was making a joke there dude
>>64676190
This. People were selling an image since the Jazz Age. The length of the skirts were the only things that have changed. Sex sold, no matter the decade.
>>64677053
Now to the atonal scales. There you can be unique and completely unappealing.
>>64676997
>the crowd
Well if we're talking live singing I'm not sure there's usually pitch correction involved . From what I've understood you can't do the nice and almost invisible type of autotune in real time so it's either going T-Pain or actually singing.
>>64677125
Sometimes they use it because they're playing to a track and the pitch correction can be automated in the daw timeline but the singer must stay within 2- cents before it goes bad fast. Often they just blast the track with a slightly lower lead vocal in the choruses to give the doubled feel with power. Either way it's crap. They need to employ real talent. Hell they have the budget.
>>64677203
>20 cents maybe 30*
>>64677081
But it wasn't image that wasn't backed by real vocal talent. Today the same cannot be said.
>>64677125
Back then they used to layer all kinds of reverb and shit over the vocals if the singer was weak. Try to give it a "Sci Fi" kind of sound since New Wave and Post Punk was all around for quite a while.
>>64677223
I honestly think they're playing off of people calling it crap to make it more popular when the plebs come out to defend their fav singer or whatever. Costs half as much as real talent and people like us only add to it's prevalence. Any press is good press
>>64677256
I totally believe this.
>>64676660
I'll answer my own question. Linda McCartney. Her isolated vocals on Wings tracks are mostly atrocious. But she was Paul's wife and i guess he liked her in the group.
>>64674745
yes, that stuff isn't real music, it's a product.
>>64674920
Assuming it's true that the government bans porn, there's no way it would actually work.
>>64677308
ehhh music was always a product. The problem is this new plastic stuff breaks when under pressure. They don't make em like they used to.
>>64677256
if that's the case where is my $$? Because i certainly haven't received any
Whatever you do to break into your field often becomes your brand. If you deviate from it, your career ends. If you don't up the ante, your career ends.
w/e, life's tough. Hope they make it through.
Yeah, remember when popular music was about talent and not cheap production gimmicks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b8AhIsSYQ
>>64677428
You're using as an example a band that was around since 1965 and was out of ideas and dying on it's last breath when they recorded that?
>>64677507
Yes.
>>64677428
Yes, he never had a career before that video. Neither did Grace Slick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1LO3kNTJBw
>>64677520
Shit, that song was laughable back then.It routinely makes lists of the worst number 1 songs ever.
>>64677634
True, the top five most popular song that year were pure brilliance. Unfiltered talent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1985
>>64677774
Some are rather disposable on the whole list IMO. But there are also a number of stone classics there.
>>64677774
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1985
Did any of the top five on that list need vocal manipulation to become stars?
>>64678025
They all used it. Whether they *needed* it I don't know how the fuck I'm supposed to know.
>>64678161
Listen to their earlier material and come to your own conclusion. Hell, Bruce Springsteen had already been working musically for 20 years at that point.
>>64678268
* Yeah i know Springsteen wasn't in the top five of that list but i figured i throw him in as an example.
>>64678268
Yes, I'm gonna listen to early Wham because someone on 4chan told me to. That's a normal thing to do.
And Bruce is 21 more years into his career now. I don't know what that proves, but it's true.
>>64678161
Chakka Kahn was the lead singer for Rufus in the 70's. She didn't need it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9uZOCEl7v0
So for people who go to strip clubs, how good are pop singers as strippers compared to full time professionals?
>>64678326
>I don't know what that proves
He didn't need or use vocal manipulation to become successful.
>>64678808
And he still doesn't. What's your point?
People were literally saying this about Elvis. You sound like an old man. Give up.
>>64678757
Used to go to strip clubs quite a bit. To be honest, Miley Cyrus is more scandalous than any stripper i've ever laid eyes on who wasn't hooking on the side.
>>64678837
Are you a bit dense?
>>64678875
Nah, I float.
>>64678855
Did Elvis whip his dick out and wave it in front of the audience?
>>64678881
Point is the guy didn't have to rely on studio vocal effects to get his singing over, which is something that a whole lot of latter day pop types do.
>>64675795
anyone know what anon is talking about? i really dont feel like watching a 14 min video just to see why shes small minded
>>64676603
That effect is done on practically every pop vocal track since the 60s and its more than 5 cents
>>64675879
>who is Madonna
Dude that shit was mainstream by the late 80s
Even in the late 70s it was standard for punk/new wave
You must be very sheltered
Who gives a fuck, the overwhelming majority of mainstream pop music has always been shit, at least now you can jack of to them instead of them just having no redeeming value whatsoever
>>64679609
Punk in it's first wave was rather short lived and got very little mainstream exposure. The New Wave acts didn't exactly tart it up heavily on the top of the charts. Madonna was followed by a few others but it wasn't standard operating procedure across the board.
You must not have much of a memory if you were around back then.
>>64679609
I'll upload a few JLo webms as an example and let's see you tell us again it was mainstream in the late 80s.
ariana grande has a fantastic voice tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjzENV7rhhI
>>64679711
Well, that's to be expected right
I remember everyone in the USA shitting a brick when Madonna released that Sex book, but in Europe everyone just shrugged and got on with life
And to us it seemed funny that you could have something like disco happening in NYC and the rest of the USA completely unaware of it
>>64679750
Unfortunately for her, she gets tossed into the same pile as the usual pop rubbish. To really be taken seriously she'll have to cut out the bullshit and work over some top quality material.
>>64679711
Michael Jackson was first with the crotch grab move on the Beat it Video. Madonna stated
"Women should be allowed -Even empowered to do anything a man can do"
>>64679836
i meant o say first main stream. I'm sure at some point in the late 70's Wendy O Williams of the Plasmatics grabbed her crotch
>>64679772
I lived in the NYC area and in Miami in those years. Initially disco was a Gay thing and so was it's own little world. When it got big it the only artist that was off the wall pushing sex to the edge was Grace Jones. As she wasn't remotely even close to a household word. Take a look at all the females that hit it big in disco, they were sexy for the most part but not all in your face with it.
As it was, disco was widely despised as a genre .
>>64674745
No dude lmao mainstream music videos have been like this since 1486 *tips fedora* lmao
>>64679863
Sure, but the world at large didn't even know the Plasmatics existed.
>>64679936
I know that. i just didn't want to get called out for saying Michael was the first to do it
>>64679916
Grace was very famous in the UK, but we always had a better connection with Jamaican music
And disco wasn't despised here at all, and we're not religious or uptight enough to be bothered by disco, which is why we had synth pop
The most risqué thing we had was probably Throbbing Gristle, which you could even call mainstream due to the constant tabloid coverage it got
>>64677428
Yes I remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6P0SitRwy8
>>64679800
well in order to like her you have to like pop, thats just what she is. Focus is Top Quality Material, hence the 475 million views on youtube and the like. its undeniably sex driven but the music is definitely there. i'd say shes gonna be at the songwriting level of Sia or Beyonce in a few years and he's got the possibility to be a really significant pop vocalist.
>>64679982
You can have top quality material or pop. There's a big difference between champagne and soda pop.
>>64679975
*tips*
>>64679982
She has the pipes for it and before she fell to the pop/sex machine she was quite happy to show it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4E-JCUkj6Y
>>64680031
>popular music
>must be garbage
how come people who like music a lot think this all the time. its a bummer because you're missing out on a world of cool shit
>>64679964
There were plenty of reasons to crumb on disco for musical and aesthetic reasons after a while. As a mass movement of sorts, it went down the toilet hard in the end.
Throbbing Gristle here was rather well known in the underground scenes in larger cities and certain college towns, Left of the dial was where you found the shit that was taking chances and doing something that wasn't typical. Still it took me a hell of a long time before i could really hear them as their stuff was impossible to find where i was.
Synth pop?
BGK
Follow the Trend
Synthesizers, Rhythm-box
Electro pop, we know it sucks
Computerized, Dehumanized
All that vinyl, what a waste!
I can't stand Modern Music!
Record labels make the trends
A lot of profit for little investment
But despite their promotion and big campaigns
We all know: IT'S TOTALLY LAME!
I can't stand Modern Music!
Switch on the radio... Oh No!
Brainless lyrics, disco beat
That's gotta be the Human League
I can't stand Modern Music!
>>64680174
Due to my prior jobs and where i hung out i was exposed to it at top volume for hours at end. I'll be impressed if one of them does an Amy Winehouse type release and gig and shows real chops. Otherwise it's something disposable that doesn't really mean anything.
>>64680185
people shit on disco because it was gay and black, thats what it boiled down to.
>>64680263
it got replaced by New Wave and punk. EDM will share a similar fate when it get replaced and becomes reviled just like disco did.
it was always like this
>>64680262
nah dude a lot of artists do have what you're talking about, you just dont listen to pop
>>64680362
If they had what it took they wouldn't be fucking around with in the minors and would be in the big leagues with those of proven musical skill and talent.
>>64680423
kek
>>64680423
what are you talking about they're the biggest league that exists! you might be a fan of college ball but this is the NBA dude. If nothing else, having millions of people like your music is enough proof for me.
>>64680519
Millions of people picked up Mao's Little Red Book. Didn't mean that it was was a masterpiece of writing.
>>64680551
No, but the fact that it wasn't a masterpiece doesn't mean that Mao would have rather written Brothers Karamazov.
>>64680573
Shit smeared on a wall might be done in such a fashion as to produce that could be a picture or drawing.
The material is still shit though.
>>64680641
Yes?
>>64680641
*Produce what could be a picture or drawing.
>>64676308
As if pop-music in the 60's had that much more substance, it was the same themes as today only veiled in a thick layer of good old 60's modesty. Pop music has never been that much about substance, this is evident in white folks choice to dance to swing rather than take part in the growing jazz movement back in the 40's and 50's. Swing, like most pop music, is about having fun, and neither meant to be the next big step forward in music nor any more experimental than what is needed to interest the normie listener.
>>64677223 Are you implying bands like The Beatles or Elvis had above mediocre vocals? You dont need great vocals to make catchy pop (although it often helps), to the normie it just has to be above a certain (low) level. I am sure Christina Aguilera, Katy Perry and Adele can rival any example from a you throw at me to prove the past popsingers superiority.
>>64678757
>>64678858
Anyone else have any insights?
>>64681742
Also if you want to claim any examples i posted as invalid because of "muh autotune", please consider watching any live performance ot tv-show performance by said artist.
Also how is this thread not "born in the wrong generation" shite?
![was_Frank_Sinatra_drafted_0001[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T1APfEb.jpg "was_Frank_Sinatra_drafted_0001[1].jpg")
>>64674981
>Beliving there is anything new under the sun
>Lisztomania was characterized by a hysterical reaction to Liszt and his concerts. Liszt's playing was reported to raise the mood of the audience to a level of mystical ecstasy.Admirers of Liszt would swarm over him, fighting over his handkerchiefs and gloves. Fans would wear his portrait on brooches and cameos. Women would try to get locks of his hair, and whenever he broke a piano string, admirers would try to obtain it in order to make a bracelet. Some female admirers would even carry glass phials into which they poured his coffee dregs. According to one report:
>Liszt once threw away an old cigar stump in the street under the watchful eyes of an infatuated lady-in-waiting, who reverently picked the offensive weed out of the gutter, had it encased in a locket and surrounded with the monogram "F.L." in diamonds, and went about her courtly duties unaware of the sickly odour it gave forth.
>>64676133
>I wouldn't mind if Azalea, Minaj, or whoever were strippers. I do mind that they're "artists".
I can promise you that no one takes these people seriously as artists, and deep down, the artists themselves know this.
>>64674745
>/mu/ is surprised that jew-controlled nigger music is debased, perverted and profane
Wew
>>64674745
I think everyone misunderstands the OP. Its not that much about the fact that sex&music work hand in hand, i think the OP know that. Its more about the fact that while Liszt fans would fight each other to get one of his jizzrags >>64681907
the actual content on stage, the music wasnt that much of a blatant excuse to sell ass. The music of Liszt would provoke something in peoples heads and break social barriers, which is fascinating. But nowadays, as no taboo thing exists anymore, the ass shaking has been institutionalized to the point of beeing sold on stage, while people just watch and sing a melody which is even easier to remember than a national anthem. What the OP is sayin is not "muh was better before", its a critic of how the mystery beneath sexuality and music is disappering because of industries making its sexual component too obvious and thus vulgar, lowering the bar.
inb4 "postmodernism"
>>64674745
I don't understand why anyone would think this...
>>64682234
metamodernism
>>64682389
It's honestly fucking repulsive to watch her do this
>tfw you need more than one pair of underwear to give your saggy ass any kind of form
>>64682395
i m not kidding you senpai, heard a sociomusicology professor talking about "proto-post modernism" after i showed him 12tone music from the 17th century. I still dont know if he was trolling or not.
>>64682542
>sociomusicology professor
Do people really A) go to school for this bullshit and then B) seriously get hired and paid to talk at kids about it?? Holy fuck
>>64681758
yeah ive been to a few, girls in there are honestly alot less ''slutty'', strippers have restraint, they also have some amount of talent, e.g pole dancing, theyre all good dancers, where as
>muh katy perry
>muh miley cyrus
are literally just bodies puppeted by the jewish media :^)))
>>64682452
did you tell your parents yet?
>>64682616
>>64682389
gross, she literally is so beat why is she even trying anymore
>>64682452
>>64682666
>>64682616
''mom, dad... i dont like old women way past there prime''
Its fucking POPULAR MUSIC, you idiots!
What in the fuck do you think is the point on making sound in a capitalist society? Yeah, selling. It requeries attention. Showing ass. Showing Tits. You dont like girls getting naked? them just fucking dont watch it. Simple.
Pop, Rock, Soul. It sounds good. People like. Thats it. It was never a conspiracy.
Also music dont need to be "DEep4u" shit.
If you want Music with impure shit listen to classical music, and left people enjoy the shit they want.
>>64682703
poi poi <3
>>64682700
fucking lol
check-diddly-ecked btw
>>64682666
>>64682700
I, too, wouldn't even touch this granny and her saggy body with a wooden stick
>>64682939
The abs are real.
>>64682703
>It was never a conspiracy.
what is mkultra. educate yourself asap
>>64683003
kek
>>64675986
>The music industry has taken a nose-dive and it relies on a sort of depraved sexual excitement that was very rare before the 1990s. I agree that everything is a process. We didn't arrive here overnight. The music industry got gradually and gradually more cheap and lazy.
oh god get a grip
>>64682542
http://www.metamodernism.com/
>>64674745
WELCOME TO THE BITCH-POP AGE
i really hate this pseudo-singers full of misandry and girl power
>>64683097
>misandry
nice meme
>>64683117
Feminist detected
>>64683117
80% of bitch-pop lyrics is about how that ex-boyfriend was mean with her and how men are bad
>>64683210
such misandry
i feel so oppressed
>>64683117
"Got a long list of ex lovers
They'll tell you I'm insane
But I got a blank space, baby
And I'll write your name
Boys only want love if it's torture
Don't say I didn't, say I didn't warn ya
Boys only want love if it's torture
Don't say I didn't, say I didn't warn ya" - Taylor Swift
"If I were a Boy
Even Just for a day
I'd Roll outta bed in the morning
And throw on what I wanted then go
Drink beer with the guys
And chase after girls
I'd kick it with who I wanted
And I'd never get confronted for it
Cause they'd stick up for me" - Beyonce
That's how to be a sexist feminist, guys
>>64683256
Back to tumblr with your tumblr gifs and tumblr opinions. Don 't even try to deny it you homo.
I don't like slutty pop singers that much, desu.
But at least this girl isn't as much of a slut as most of the other ones here.
>>64683303
True, the only way to get hold of a tumblr gif is to be a tumblr user. I can't have simply used google image search.
>>64683210
you little piece of shit
>>64675581
>listening to slave-pop
>>64683314
Look at those thighs man. They were definitely made for sex.
She appeals to people who have tight shorts/thigh fetish
>beyonce
>dance half naked
>~90% songs about sex (guessing. wouldnt know)
how is the majority of fans girls? kek
is it because >womeme?
![Taylor-swift-240243[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wPagsRu.jpg "Taylor-swift-240243[1].jpg")
Appeals to legs lovers
>>64683256
>>64683324
>>64683325
can't denied, when a popular man say "girls just want money", society looks at him as a machist-patriarcalist-rapist-misoginic piece of conservative shit, but when a popular woman say "boys just think of sex" she is an independent-strong girl fighting again the opression
![zEkdzZF[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1kpur44.jpg "zEkdzZF[1].jpg")
Appeal to boobs lovers
>>64674745
pretty much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9tbQ_xyYM
![landscape-1433958821-gettyimages-455091876[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mQzp3WG.jpg "landscape-1433958821-gettyimages-455091876[1].jpg")
Just look at this
>>64683285
You know Blank Space is a parody right ?
>>64683435
i think its fair. women just work with what they got. no talent, ass and boobs.
its sad really
![Lauren-ChvrchesLandscape[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aelYfY6.jpg "Lauren-ChvrchesLandscape[1].jpg")
But what if I want to fap to a 13 year old boy?
>>64682939
stop projecting so hard anon youre making me cringe
>>64683497
do you not know what projecting means?
>>64683541
i think he implied you're a 40+ year old women with body issues
>>64674745
This is what an Ariana Grande concert looks like for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFtFuv95JjQ
>>64683559
that still wouldn't make sense
also a 40+ year old woman on /mu/ yeah sure
>>64683667
i have 48 years, i'm a woman, and i like /mu/. Whats the problem with that?
>>64683700
You're middle aged but not too mature to be on 4chan. That said being here isn't good at any age so no one here can fault you too much. (and yes, I realize I likely just fed a troll)
>>64683633
You know, I have always wondered this.
Do you think there are people who bring binos, sit themselves in some comfy area up on stage, make themselves comfortable and fap to these girls?
the market gets what the market demands.
fap to it and move on with your life.
>>64682563
It wasnt in school. Its a uni i was in France where they mix every discipline with each other. Pretty interesting if you ask me. There is pretty much every field there. Nat sciences, humanities, music. And people dont come out of it with a starbucks diploma.
>>64675679
What interview was it? The last time I saw her in an interview she was actually quite charming.
I think you might be thinking of Beyonce.
>>64683700
what music do you listen to?
whats your opinion on music in general?
not that i believe you but if true im honestly curious
>>64680319
disco wasn't 'replaced', it morphed into house, which you may have noticed is still really fucking popular (a bit too popular for my liking, but still)
>>64684495
>disco wasnt replaced it just has a different name now.... and it sounds different.
kek
>>64674745
Maybe you listen to the wrong kind of pop singers?
>>64678953
that anon is probably a woman or something
She did fine in the interview. Her accent might throw some people off if you didnt know she had one
>>64684532
House is literally the electronic version of disco.
>>64684692
disco has more to do with funk than house imo
maybe we were listening to different disco
>>64684532
it shanged pretty slowly it took about 5 years
listen to old larry levan or ron hardy mixes and you can hear the transition from live drums and funk bass to sequenced drums and bass
it wasn't an overnight thing it happened quite gradually
>>64684713
Maybe you're just clueless when it comes to club music.
Wouldn't be unusual, considering you frequent /mu/
>>64684759
thats true, but i listened to quite a few progressive disco records
>>64684788
>progressive disco
literally clueless
>>64676174
No, she sucks and shes a meme.
>>64684788
>progressive disco
lol
>>64684865
she's probably the best singer that the popstar world has seen in a long time
>>64684805
>>64685069
... and im clueless?
i bet you guise never even disco operas. like at all.
>>64685094
but whats the point of having all dat vocal skill when it goes to stupid pop ?
literally an argument against her if anything
I don't mind Rihanna doing this shit, but Arianna and Selena just feels wrong, they have the face of a child and the body of a teenager, it's weird
>>64685155
you get to make a bunch of money
you're probably a communist tho
this board's regulars are cancer
>>64685299
>music is about making money
>music is a popularity contest
>music is just a market
i feel sorry for you
>>64685155
Because Pop makes the most money and has the biggest audience.
Success in Pop is probably the hardest genre. You need more than vocal talent and a good body to do well.
Go check out Demi Lovato. She is objectively a better singer than Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, and Selena Gomez, but her pop career has flopped despite all the nudity has been doing for the past year to promote her album.
>>64685360
popular music is all of those things
are you dumb?
>>64679975
honest question, do you think Nirvana would be big if Kurt Cobain wasn't a good looking guy? Reading girls talking about the band is like they wanted to take care of Kurt because he was a wounded puppy
lewronggeneration: the thread
>>64678883
it's called having different standards for what is scandalous moron
based on our past the standards concerning what's allowed for performance will be different years from now
Yes, they are.
>>64674745
Ariana looks like a preteen girl.
I just came to this thread in hope for some nice pictures.
Please stop discussing so much.
>>64674745
>>64685982
>>64674981
>>64675271
I think it mostly started in the 50s with Elvis Presley
