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I would listen to classical, but I feel pretty uncomfortable about listening to a bunch of old racist white guys, desu. Are there any composers of color that I can listen to? Thanks.
>>64637647
kill yourself please
and yes, julius eastman
but first kys bb
I don't think I can stand listening to anymore Bruckner. I am having a pretty difficult time understanding the hype around this guy. His music sounds exciting enough in the Scherzi but it all sounds the same to me. Just the same shit being played for hours. What am I missing here?
>>64637647
>can't listen to music because of the race of the composer
I don't get this at all.
Well, since you also qualified it with "guys", if gender is also an issue with you for whatever reason, have some Amy Beach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ovVrOPdVo
Do you people go to the opera? I'm thinking of seeing The Marriage of Figaro, but then I remember that it's a fucking 18th century opera. I'd probably feel like a massive autist there.
>>64637647
Mozart and Beethoven were black.
>>64637647
Delete yourself
>>64639005
Autism probably.
Try some of his vocal music for a different side to him.
>>64639314
Marriage of Figaro is one of the finest operas ever written, so yeah go along to it.
>>64637647
Try Hiawatha's Wedding Feast
>>64639314
Then see a 19th century opera or a 20th century opera. Or a 21st century opera like Dr Atomic.
18th century opera is really where it's most entry-level, though, now that I think of it.
http://www.classicfm.com/discover/music-quizzes/name-composers/
Be aware that being the perfidious albion memesters that they are, there are some really stupid omissions and really stupid inclusions.
>>64639314
Other than the recitatives it is top tier.
>>64637647
try dvorak
he was kinda racist, but was trying really hard not to be
How do I approach writing music for someone who just started playing the violin last year? She's learned up to the Gavotte in Suzuki book 1, from what I've heard.
Seems the MET is having a lot of trouble filling those opera seats.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/arts/music/the-met-opera-is-struggling-how-can-it-fill-those-empty-seats.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmusic&action=click&contentCollection=music®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0
>>64641749
Maybe they should quit performing the same ten operas over and over again?
ded
>>64643498
it's a bit sad really. i know that trips are generally not useful but they -- in this general, at least-- brought some controversial opinions which other anons would bounce their own more useful options off of to start a conversation if things were slow
I'm just posting because I really love these generals, they're really nice. Lately I've been listening to Bach's Concertos and Suites by The Academy of Saint-Martin-in-the-Fields.
mozart is gay lol
>>64644046
I mean in all fairness
>>64643750
Good stuff. I do sometimes get the feeling, though, that the widespread touting of Bach's orchestral works (because orchestra is a meme I guess) results in the underrating of his equally impressive chamber music, and his supreme body of choral music. I recently listened to that Grumiaux set of his 6 violin/keyboard sonatas, and I'm impressed as always. Right now I'm chilling to some Vivaldi chamber concerti. Also very underrated pieces.
This is proof that modern music is bullshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzrcoqpnZqA
>>64639314
Marriage of Figaro is great. Why would you feel like an autist? Because it is 18th Century? The year it was made isn't the most important thing.
Was Wagner a tit or an ass man?
>>64639913
What a crappy website.
Looking for Western Canon Guide chart pls and tx
>>64646415
>>64637647
Don't worry, friend. I've got you covered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG45P7xcv08
takemitsu-san ^_^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROYtlYHzk7w
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>>64650720
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>>64651595
>>64651709
>>64651770
>>64639005
yeah Bruckner is pretty average.
>>64644607
Not bad considering it was written by a computer. Orchestration is abysmal though. Wonder which composers they modeled the piece on? some kind of cross between Tchaikovsky, Bartok and Vivaldi?
>>64650720
>>64651527
>>64651564
>>64651570
>>64651595
>>64651709
>>64651770
Proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO1vIedMOmc
>>64651818
checked
>>64637305
Best Beethoven sonata set in your opinion?
>>64643608
Yeah, these threads could use some controversy to get some discussions. I have always liked the quality of the discussions here, even if they do end up devolving into memes.
>>64653030
Between the Grinberg and the Backhaus? I like both, but the I think that Grinberg has better recording quality than the Backhaus if that's what you prefer.
>>64653941
Well, I think it's just the reality of us having had these generals for around 4 years now. There isn't too many topics for people to get genuinely engaged in all around because we've had those discussions dozens of times before. Most of the regulars I imagine are probably tired of writing the same walls of text time and time again. Some trips have gone anonymous, and others, like Calcium and SDF, barely post anymore. And not enough new people are coming in and sticking around for there to be a constant surge of 'fresh' discussion.
As much as I didn't like CLT and Taxes they were both active and constantly memed around and made approachable charts that newcomers could immediately understand. But, well, now that's been done and then some.
>>64654057
>and Taxes
Meant to say Tallis.
>>64654057
>>64654081
I guess that makes sense. We can only hope that someday there will be lots of newcomers.
>>64653941
People only like Mozart because he's the closest thing to pop music.
>>64654314
>We can only hope that someday there will be lots of newcomers.
Dream on anon, the classical music community is already pretty small, how many of them do you think are willing to discuss it on an imageboard dedicated to Chinese cartoons?
>>64637647
What makes you think we're old?
>>64654983
Weirdly enough a lot of the weebs I know are at least somewhat interested in classical
>>64655229
That's definitely not common. My weeb friends have classical training, and they still do not care for the music.
>>64654983
You never know
>>64637647
I can't think of any Black composers, but Gottschalk was partially Black and Jewy.
Plenty of mentally challenged composers though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_composers
>>64641706
Real talk, vital tips for all violin players:
1) Gratuitous vibrato is cancer
2) You're playing too loud
>>64639257
It's pretty simple actually. It's called shitposting.
>>64654790
Does anyone else find it ironic that most of the criticisms aimed at Romantic and Impressionist piano music are perfectly valid criticisms of Beethoven's piano sonatas?
>muddy gargling
>arpeggiated nonsense filler
>"emotional" tinkling
>hilariously ham-handed trills
>momentum slowing down, running out of ideas, the fact that this whole piece is inane is becoming increasingly obvious - time to BANG
>excruciating repetition
>UNBRIDLED expression of the human spirit, i.e. monkey mashing
>droning quiet sections where his creative bankruptcy can't hide behind the usual artifices
>all but pointless drawn-out sprawling puddles of amusical diarrhea that were only brought into existence to serve as a vehicle for Beethoven's egomania and grandomania
Seems like textbook displacement behavior to me.
>>64653030
Schnabel.
Hey /classical/, I'm kinda new here
how to get into Schubert?
>>64658594
Start with his last two quartets or his song cycles.
>>64658594
>>64658657
>>64658676
thanks people
Can anyone identify who are the performers in this interpretation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZP-yXsNV2E
Imagine liking this tripe.
Can someone recommend me more composers like Respighi?
![insecure-photo[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/B3QlGfc.jpg "insecure-photo[1].jpg")
Are Mozart piano composition worth a listen?
>>64660038
Drawbacks:
>extremely boring
>they all sound the same
Virtues:
>never ugly
>the best vanilla classical music
>the best piano compositions that came out of Germany/Austria
>>64660038
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UvDOGo3qI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXQpoI__Qc
If I like ambient, what classical will I like?
>>64660529
Minimalism probably
>>64660529
Bach.
>>64660529
Satie.
What's a good recording of Cage's sonatas and interludes?
>>64660136
further proof
>opera sung in anything but its original language
>>64663194
>opera
>>64663223
>music
>>64660529
Tristan Murail, Gerard Grisey, Feldman
>>64663194
The english translations are always the worst
>>64651831
No, its just nonsense a machine would write. I can admit it sounds interesting but I think this more redounds to the stupidity and lack of hability of modern composers. You can't accidentally compose Mozart but you can accidentally compose Ferneyhough as evidenced by this crude sort of program.
What Bach should I listen to?
>>64659579
Its tripe because Boulez is conducting? You've taken the conductor meme too far I think.
>>64665500
Le Art of le Fug :DDD
>>64665500
C.P.E.
>>64665629
No, J.S Bach
>>64665640
no J.C. Bach
>>64665722
No, W.F. Bach
>>64665605
>>64665629
>>64665722
>>64665754
pls stop, I only wanted more like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wb36-orBL0
not to be memed at
>>64665811
pls respond
>>64665527
nah it's tripe because that anon hates all german composers and circlejerks over Chopin and Scriabin
>>64665500
Listen to the cantatas for tomorrow, 44 and 183
>>64663194
>he doesn't like Ingmar Bergman's Magic Flute
>>64663194
>implying
>>64665811
>Schiff
Grab whatever you can by Nikolayeva.
>>64666320
for some reason the german translation of that doesnt bother me nearly as much as it probably should.
such a good recording aside from though. FD was a good actor
>>64665811
Huge Bach fan here, try the English suites by Schiff
I particularly love the prelude for No. 2 and 3, and the entire 6th English suite is godly, the prelude (2nd half is unbelievable), gavottes and gigue
>>64666522
Is Glenn Gould good for anything apart from fugues? I was listening to some of his other Bach stuff and I didn't really think it was that good
>>64666628
Gould isn't great at Bach.
He's good in the SVS and his Hindemith is good too.
>>64666657
i think his early Bach is pretty good, mostly the live stuff.
>>64659828
Alfredo Casella, Ildebrando Pizzetti, Gian Francesco Malipiero, Franco Alfano, Goffredo Petrassi, Lino Liviabella, Giorgio Federico Ghedini
cheers
>>64666657
so? who's "great" at Bach?
>>64667099
Edwin Fischer
Evgeni Koroliov
Sviatoslav Richter
>>64667155
bravooo
>>64666628
(guy you replied to) depends on your taste but yeah I agree
Schiff is much better at expressing the soul of Bach's keyboard music for me, I'm just more comfortable with his accentuation and steady, no nonsense expression.
For me, Schiff is able to give way to the music itself better than most with Bach, and for me, I'd like as little personal touch as possible when it comes to Bach, just the notes as they come flowing
>>64667217
ahh in my previous (>>64667099) post i forgot to ask: "and why?"
>>64664879
i like the english translation for blue beards castle 2bh
>>64667333
they have the technique of Gould but not the autism
Is the recording in the OP any good? Does anyone have it?
>>64668036
this, you need autism to play bach properly
I enjoy listening to classical music, but know nothing about it and don't have an understanding of how to appreciate it from a more technical perspective, or a historical one. Any advice of where to go? Books, sites, entry level stuff?
>>64667099
>>64667217
>>64667333
>>64668036
>>64668137
>>64668103
it's pretty interesting. Swarowsky is an extremely underrated conductor (left behind some really nice Mahler too). balances are very different than in any other recording, as are tempi. i think out of all of the Ring cycles i have heard, he has one of the best grasps on the orchestral aspect. i don't always find him convincing, and he's a little too slow some of the time, but he is always interesting. some of the members of the orchestra were from the Czech Philharmonic and they sound wonderful. the winds are droll.
that being said he has some pretty big drawbacks in regards to the recorded sound. the recording was made on the very cheap. the engineers did some very bizarre and cheesy things with this cycle, the sound stage is inconsistent, the singers sound far too pushed forward ahead of the orchestra, and just about every transfer i have heard of this set sounds unsuccessful; way too denoised and very inconsistent in regards to the equalization.
the singers are variable. some of them sound as if they weren't fit for the roll they were playing in regards to their characterization (Hagen and Gunther sound too similar for instance) it is to be expected since it was a budget Ring. however, none of them are bad singers at all. this is wobble-free singing with good diction. you don't hear this that much anymore these days.
in short, it's a cycle with some of the most interesting Wagner conducting on record, good but sometimes badly characterized singing, and some of the most thoroughly annoying and inconsistent sound amongst Ring cycles.
very much worth listening to at least once, but probably only once you've heard some other Ring cycles for reference. you can listen to it on Spotify or buy it on Amazon for an extremely cheap price.
>>64668449
ROSEN
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http://www83.zippyshare.com/v/Q9CJfYkP/file.html
>>64668036
>>64668137
>welcome to /classical/
>>64668560
Downloading, thanks so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuxPKikM0NI
Did Glenn Gould mostly do this as a political statement? Or is he just a troll? It certainly doesn't sound that great.
>>64668137
>>64668568
you can't listen to his studio recording of BWV 878 and think "this was a good interpretation"
![trout-pond-1890.jpg!HalfHD[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gtWaIoV.jpg "trout-pond-1890.jpg!HalfHD[1].jpg")
I'm looking for more cycles in the vein of Liederkreis op.39, Die Schöne Müllerin, or Pierrot Lunaire; you know, that quintessential German sound as a result of the merging between romantic poetry and the music sounding between folkish and impressionist. Any suggestions?
>>64669941
Schubert's other two song cycles.
>>64669941
You'd probably like more lieder.
like >>64670538 says, listen to more Schubert. Wolf, Ives, Faure, Mahler, etc. have interesting songs as well. Schubert is probably the king of lieder, though.
>>64637647
>>64641803
>>64670538
Well, yes, that's kind of a given, I mean by other authors.
Wouldn't say the feeling or general atmosphere of Schwanengesang is in line with those of Winterreise/Schöne though, it's a different approach.
>>64670653
As I said, I'm looking for something specific, and particularly in the form of a cycle. Lieder in general, while certainly something I enjoy, do not necessarily fall under that description.
Some of Wolf's Mörike lieder -like Auf ein altes Bild- are wonderful indeed and have that "something" I'm searching, but I insist, I'm looking for something more coherent in the shape of a whole cycle.
Fauré's Tel jour telle nuit kind of nails it too, but... well, it sounds French, and I'm looking for something German.
>>64657421
>muddy gargling
what does that even mean?
>arpeggiated nonsense filler
you must hate Schubert too
>"emotional tinkling"
if you can listen to a Beethoven sonata without feeling anything you literally are dead inside
>hilariously ham-handed trills
example?
>momentum slowing down, time to bang
it's an act of rebellion against music tradition
>excruciating repetition
in beethoven???
>unbridled expression
rarely, and even so, what's the problem?
>droning quiet section where creative bankruptcy is obvious
example?
>all but pointless puddles of diarrhea for beethoven's egomania
there's a difference between knowing you're good and being an egomaniac. Beethoven was the former, which is why he published based music that was completely outside the mold of what "good" music was supposed to be . He didn't give a fuck what others thought.
>>64658594
impromptus
>>64637647
>Black
Scott Joplin
Joshua Uzoigwe
Oswald Russell
>Asian
Tōru Takemitsu
Dai Fujikura
Gembiin Gonchigsumlaa
>Middle-eastern
Kaikhosru Sorabji
(if you consider the ethinicities of these composers to be middle-eastern/not European)
Aram Khachaturian
Arno Babajanian
Levon Chaushian
Fazıl Say
Ulvi Cemal Erkin
Ahmet Adnan Saygun
Necil Kâzım Akses
Hasan Ferit Alnar
Ferit Tüzün
Cemal Reşit Rey
Firəngiz Əlizadə
Üzeyir Hacıbeyov
>>64660529
LaMonte Young
Steve Reich
Philip Glass
Terry Riley
John Adams
I would look at Impressionism too. Also, possibly early John Cage.
>>64668449
Copying some replies from another thread:
>>>64668449
>https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S64393648
>>>64668449
>Search for a torrent of music theory for dummies and read up on that. That will help you understand all the terminology. Also, the wikipedia entries for musical forms are informative enough for getting into classical.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_form
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_form
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_form
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondo
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variation_(music)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonata_form
>
>I also like this site for listening guides to most of Brahms oeuvre.
>http://kellydeanhansen.com/
>>>64668449
>If you like a piece a lot you should search "(Piece Name) Analysis" there are bound to be some good results, although the terminology may be rather advanced.
>and it could help listen music meanwhile you look at the score.
>>64665754
mfw
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/shaw/works/wagner.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQLD_rPWXsE
Are there better string suites?
Is this the most underrated mass of all time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6_LvBRRraQ
>>64675222
no, that would be this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUrsHWnpixo
>>64675368
that composer was a hack tbqh senpai
>>64675409
[citation needed]
I guess we're posting masses now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FGv1Z9XBqw
Posting just the kyrie because the complete version of this performance hasn't been uploaded, and all the others on Youtube are rather lousy for some reason.
>>64675222
>>64675368
>has recordings
>is underrated
pick one
>>64675845
This
>you will never hear the rest of Fanelli's works
>>64656594
THIS. Especially number 2. Took me years to figure that out.
Isao Tomita just died, loved his Holst planet suite.
>>64676636
Holst is a jackass
>>64670967
>what does that even mean?
It means muddy gargling. When the left hand is producing a noise evocative of mud being gargled. See: appassionata, pathetique.
>you must hate Schubert too
I do, with a passion.
>if you can listen to a Beethoven sonata without feeling anything you literally are dead inside
I feel anger and disgust.
>example?
Appassionata.
>it's an act of rebellion against music tradition
Rebellion...because? "This doesn't sound ugly enough REEEEEEE"
>in beethoven???
IN BEETHOVEN!
>rarely, and even so, what's the problem?
This guy...
>example?
Pathetique.
>there's a difference between...
Shut up. Even Gould and Bernstein hated Beethoven.
>>64677286
>Even Gould and Bernstein hated Beethoven.
Gould was a horrible pianist, an unmitigated disaster at any piece of music involving emotion. and for "hating Beethoven" Bernstein sure seemed to love performing his works, as he did so all the time, and was the first pick for the post Berlin Wall concert.
And christ, with this much hatred and contempt for music that sits at the pinnacle of aesthetic tradition, I have to wonder what the fuck you listen to, if you find anything in life enjoyable even in the slightest, or if you truly think yourself so patrician that nothing in music could ever meet your demands.
>>64677286
You also clearly have only listened to 2 out of 32 of the sonatas.
>>64677286
>Even Gould and Bernstein hated Beethoven.
Oh wow two terrible performers dislike a great composer
>>64677463
>Bernstein
>Terrible
kil urself my man
>>64677286
>Bernstein hated Beethoven.
completely fucking wrong
https://youtu.be/U14iJzdPtWI
>>64676657
Whoa, this is a very short dismissal of a popular composer. Not to be challenging of your opinion but do you have any misgivings on his music or perhaps his character itself that you'd like to elaborate on? I'm just a bit confused that you'd give such a short response when you feel so strongly.
>>64677558
Gould didn't completely hate him either. He was just critical of some of his music.But Gould was pretty much extremely critical with just about every musician though who wasn't Bach or Schoenberg. iirc Gould's favorite SQ was the Serioso, and one of his favorite pieces of music period was Beethoven's Große Fuge; "for me, the 'Große Fuge' is not only the greatest work Beethoven ever wrote but just about the most astonishing piece in musical literature."
>>64677479
To be fair Bernstein is an extremely polarizing performer. I like some of his early NY stuff, but I shy away from the majority of his DG recorded material.
>>64677479
>Bernstein
>not awful
He has like, one decent recording of the Rite of Spring and nothing else.
What's a good composition for mother's day?
>>64677854
I thought his mahler recordings were good if a bit slow in some places. Maybe it was because I also listened to the interviews he had on the recordings and thought they were insightfu to who mahler was though
>>64677856
:^)
>>64677856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q83MUBib6Uc
You know looking at some of the scores that were hand written by composers, I feel really fucking bad for the people who had to read and transcribe those things because holy shit do some composers have god awful hand writing
Going to stream Felsenstein's performance of Wagner's Tristan und Isolde (audio and video) in 15 minutes (X:05).
Video:
https://youtu.be/Di2MNVf7ruI
Audio:
internet player: http://mutantradio.org/player/
media player stream link: http://mutantradio.org/listen.m3u
Libretto: http://www.murashev.com/opera/Tristan_und_Isolde_libretto_English_German#
IRC (come chat with us during the show!) : https://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23%2Fmu%2Fradio&server=irc.rizon.net
>>64679215
Starting
>>64675368
[Further proof intensifies]
Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVTQkYjv1h4
>>64637305
Literally why would anyone bother listening to Wagner or Beethoven recordings made outside of the Reich?
>>64681800
There is like only three surviving operatic recordings of Wagner from WWII era.
There were way more probably but Russians took bad care of the tapes/lost them/destroyed them. Including the experimental stereo recordings. RIP.
>>64681800
This. Furtwangler or bust.
>>64681835
bit more than that actually
Elmendorff:
Gotterdammerung
Die Walkure (1st Act)
Heger:
Tristan und Isolde
Lohengrin
Gotterdammerung (3rd Act)
Bohm:
Meistersinger
Abendroth:
Meistersinger
Furtwangler:
Meistersinger
that Elmendorff/Gotterdammerung would be fucking GOAT if the orchestra wasn't so god damn buried, but it's in Bayreuth so...
i'm still hoping that someday an additional stereo tape shows up from WWII and i get to hear my operafu Max Lorenz in stereo.
>>64666384
Meme
>>64677907
Cheeky
>>64671500
>Scott Joplin
He wrote a symphony and piano concerto. They're both lost though.
>>64677433
Nice damage control there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuYY1gV8jhU
Imagine how much he hated Beethoven if he casually said this.
>this much hatred and contempt for music that sits at the pinnacle of aesthetic tradition
Any moron can reach the pinnacle of aesthetic tradition by appealing to the lowest common denominator, which is exactly what Beethoven did. BANGTOOTCLANGBINGBONGNINININININININININININININI - SUCH PINNACLE! WOW! MUCH TRADITION!
Stephen King's books sit at the pinnacle of aesthetic tradition and they're irredeemably appalling pieces of egomaniacal shit that don't even qualify as creepy pasta.
>a tiresome appeal to authority passes for a legitimate argument on /classical/
Are we being real?
>>64677459
I can't win if you've already decided that nothing will stop from whacking off to his music
>wow you've only heard the popular sonatas, listen to the less popular ones
>wow you've only heard the less popular sonatas, listen to the popular ones
Not that it would make a difference either way. Everything Beethoven ever composed is a mess and a waste.
Is Der Ring des Nibelungen not in any of the links above or am I just not finding it?
>>64683079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-btWVK7dfA ?
>>64683079
>Beethoven is bad
>Stephen King is considered the height of literary tradition
>>64639712
>not bluebeard's castle
>>64683079
>using onomatopoeia to try and invalidate Beethoven's work
For fuck's sake, the least you could do is provide actual points
>>64644607
I-I kind of like this
what are your favorite romantic operas
i'm listening to lohengrin by wagner rn (my first opera actually) and i like it so far
>>64639314
18th century opera is best opera though. Its the time of Gluck
>>64665479
>You can't accidentally compose Mozart
yes you can. You just feed in a bunch of Mozart pieces to a computer and get it to write in the style of.
You'd be hard pressed to make a computer write like ferneyhough, his music is much more than just notes and rhythm, and while his rhythm actually is often generated by algorithms, he also adds a shit ton of extended techniques, electronics, and a coherent overall idea or premise for a piece. He doesn't just shit out atonal complexity, he usually thinks very carefully about what he's writing and why, and has references to historical writings or ideas. Creating a ferneyhough piece via computer might have to wait until widespread quantum computing and high level AIs
>>64684488
You can compose in the style of Mozart via computer, but, as of right now, you cannot write something Mozart would write.
>>64684488
>You'd be hard pressed to make a computer write like ferneyhough
>this is what poly honestly believes
https://github.com/jcjohnson/neural-style
>>64684656
Not really surprising because half of his shit is quite literally composed by a computer already.
>>64684656
eh that just mixes two images and shits out an in-between. visual images are pretty easy to manipulate. Making a score for live performers from scratch with an original premise and unique techniques, AI isn't really at that level, although it could happen in our lifetime.
>>64684590
You could fool 100% of people. creating a program to writing diatonic music with no extended techniques is much easier, everything else is stylistic phrasing and harmony, which can be analysed by looking at all of Mozart's works. With enough analysis, you can write 100% in the style of Mozart, fooling people who dont have an encyclopedic knowledge of every Mozart piece (which is essentially everyone)
There's no "big picture" or deep premise in a Mozart piece, just some nice tunes, chromaticism and modulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPHyFozUNMk
>That fugue
vomit at those clumsy close harmonies. What were you thinking Mozart?
did he write any good fugues for solo clavier?
>>64683613
>Beethoven's work is so horrible it can be reduced to onomatopoeia
Also: >>64657421
>>64684783
>eh that just mixes two images and shits out an in-between
2/10 for effort
>visual images are pretty easy to manipulate
Exactly, that's why text recognition, semantics recognition in images and lossless scaling have been solve problem for years before the advent of powerful enough GPUs to carry out DNN routines right.
>There's no "big picture" or deep premise in a Mozart piece, just some nice tunes, chromaticism and modulation.
>There's no "big picture" or deep premise in a Shakespeare play, just some nouns, verbs, adjectives and punctuation.
>>64684835
>I have to make strawmen every time someone attacks my points
Anyone's work can be reduced to onomatopoeia and that doesn't mean it's horrible
>>64683505
At least literary Horror tradition.
>>64684941
>genre fiction
>>64684818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXATs66jJA
>>64637647
the sad thing is that there are actually morons who think like this
>>64687861
Let them. They can have bad taste if they want to.
>>64665500
Anything with a harpsichord
Reminder that piano > harpsichord.
mem
Why haven't you listened to Mozart today?
>>64692858
Listened to that DG yesterday actually. It's p. good
>>64692858
I'm sorry but that cover is just really gay.
>>64696118
>implying you wouldn't go for one night with the Don
>>64696632
Very true..
>>64696118
That may be but it's probably one of the better classical album covers ever made.
>>64696869
Sweet Jesus what is this
>>64697268
Looks like an album of CPE Bach piano concerti
>>64683079
I feel bad for you.
>>64683079
uses a video in which Bernie said that Beethoven had a telephone to God in order to prove that Bernie didn't like Beethoven
did you even watch this before you pasted it into this thread?
>>64684920
Mozart's instrumental music =/= Shakespeare.
further proof Mozart is waaaay overrated on /mu/
>>64700679
and in general
>>64700679
>>64701002
Further proof that Mozart is underrated.
https://youtu.be/L44Ml8K_mDg?t=14320
Can't help but shed a tear.
>>64676657
Holst was anything but a jackass. He was a timid beta who taught little girls because he was never successful at composing.
But yeah I get this is just part of the "HOLST IS REDDIT xDd" meme
What's a good recording of Schubert's symphonies?
are there any contemporary pieces that incorporate recorders in a non meme way?
Can someone recommend me some more music like this? Just discovered this and I love its complexity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-tipS-fA5A
>>64705102
The Wheels on the bus go round and round.
>>64705267
fuck you
>>64705102
Yes. Skip to 0:45 for the recorder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d8LFBorTdw
>>64705102
Another one. Skip to 1:30 for the recorder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJwETCKtf4Q
>>64705445
>>64705547
i got your point the first time faggot. just go back to talking about wagner conductors or something.
>>64705639
Reminder that all of Erich Kleiber's Wagner recordings are unlistenable.
Best Mahler 5?
>>64706539
Bump
