This is one of the defining albums of our generation. She's so brave.
The lyrics are the most cringeworthy thing I've ever heard. They're laughably bad. It sounds like someone reading off posts from tumblr.
>>64625190
>she
>has one X chromosome
Pick one cuck
>>64625475
this desu
This sucks.
I love antony's music, i don't want it to turn into a death grips situation while you guys meme it on here all the time
>>64625560
well it's not your fault that the album contains such hilarious lines
>>64625521
>implying gender isnt a concept
Wasn't oneohtrix point never one of the producers or something
>listen to one track
>it's a black dude with deep as fuck voice trying to sound feminine
is this some kind of joke
>>64625588
>having this much guilt for being normal
I liked the production but lyrics were absolutely awful
>>64625607
yeah, him and hudson mohawke did the whole album
The productions is amazing, but aside from the two tracks, Hopelessness and Bring me to Earth (or whatever it's called) the lyrics are so cringeworthy that they ruin the album.
I enjoyed almost all of her past albums, but fuck this. It's like trying so hard to be politically edgy that it's just pure cringe material.
>>64625693
>Watch me watching pornography
>Watch my medical history
Shit tier lyrics
>>64625693
>her
you're too far gone
>>64626241
fuck off u transphobic ass
>>64626272
Back to tumblr, retard.
>>64625588
I think that's exactly what he WAS implying.
You don't even know what you're arguing
>>64625630
Are you talking about Antony? She's not black nor does she have a deep voice... I mean she has a deep voice for a female, but it could be worse. I know a trans girl who has an ACTUALLY deep voice and feel pretty bad for her. She'll NEVER pass as a natural female.
>>64626272
>I'm a concerned liberal
>muh world piece
>namaste
>I'm however not concerned that kids who decide to identify as trans are immediately fed hormone blockers even if the majority of kids with gender dysphoria eventually grow out of it
>I want the treatments to be paid by the tax payers' money cuz I hate my dad cuz he's lame cuz he's my dad
>thinks the 'rightists' are the hateful ones
>>64626460
what do kids have to do with her? she's a grown ass adult. also she's not murican don't worry your tax dollars are only being spent on intervening in other countries and killing innocent people
who is this? never heard of her
>>64626499
using the 'correct' pronouns is normalizing the situation, and that's bad for kids. pls think about the children. and you know what i meant by the tax payers' money argument. why do leftist insist on lying, taking cheap shots, and pretending to be autistic.
>one tranny isn't murican so you shouldn't be concerned about the taxes
>right wing and libertarian equals warmonger and child killer
you are a gross #BIGOT
>>64625190
> ecofeminist soul warrior
>>64626551
antony hegarty who has recently changed her name to anohni, did a few albums as antony and the johnsons but this album was in a different genre and was produced by hudson mohawke and oneohtrix point never.
she ruined it with her shit lyrics
>>64626807
thank you!
Unreleased track from the album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy9EnZ14cY4
And here I thought /mu/ was one of the least cancerous boards when it comes to social politics.
>>64625630
>listen to one track
>it's a black dude with deep as fuck voice trying to sound feminine
>is this some kind of joke
Thanks for the laugh
>>64628347
leave
Pitchfork gave it a 9, and Guardian calls it the most profound protest record in decades. What am I missing here? The production is great but I'm not moved by the lyrics.
>>64625630
KEK
If you're not trolling, this is a perfect reflection of the fact that his voice DOES sound as unnatural as he looks. But be careful whom you say that to, because you run the risk of being lambasted for being a Transphobe.
>>64628670
>I'm not moved by the lyrics
Because they're contrived, melodramatic and sentimental drivel.
I gave it a chance but what a fucking boring record. Deleted, moving on...
>>64628670
nobody is going to pan a transgender lady's album about how the world is so evil. no matter how badly she executed it
if you do ppl will say you're transphobic
bitch sounds garbage on here
>>64628720
>bitch sounds terrible on here
Do you feel threatened by her feminine penis?
>>64626351
>she has a deep voice for a female
GEE I WONDER WHY
The level of delusion here is astounding.
I'd like to think it's the same two or three sociology undergrads in each of these threads, the lengths to which men will go to defend other men's rights to embody female stereotypes is truly amazing
>>64628720
I wish i was still doing reviews. This shit is terrible.
>>64628753
nope my bff is mtf we both loved the effort but laughed at her lyrics and voice
>>64628699
I'm just waiting for the first properly executed post 9/11 protest record to drop and it is definitely not this one.
>>64628769
Fuck you too. You want a straight answer (no pun intended) The music is nothing special and the lyrics are laughable. It'll be a hit though.
>"Muh brave trannny protest, etc, etc,"
Drone Bomb Me isn't as good as people say, 4 Degrees fucking sucks, Obama is laughably bad, can barely remember the rest. Violent Men is alright, why they didn't make a whole album about that sort of thing when it fits with their issues way more than this government shit I'll never understand
>>64628795
Oh look, it's the "I have a trans friend, so I can't be a transphobe" defense!
I'm just messin
>>64628798
In wouldn't hold your breath.
>artist fits into lgbt or racial minority
>spends more time being a bitch about it than actually making music, or even making music about it
>>64628769
No dip she has a deep voice for a female because she used to be a dude. I was responding to someone who said she sounded like a black man with a deep voice, which she most certainly does not. If she was a black man and that was her voice it would be considered high pitched lol
>tfw I don't have any problem with transgender people, I respect them as people, I respect the gender they identify as, and I have no prejudice against them, EXCEPT I genuinely believe that transgender is the result of a mental illness and because our culture embraced it instead of trying to fix it, as a society we are too far gone to truly help these people instead of letting them change their bodies
>tfw people who go through surgery are far more likely to commit suicide than the average person but they will just say that's because of bullying and not because they are now mentally and physically fucked up
>tfw I can't say this to anyone IRL because I'll be demonized for being intolerant and shit
>>64629051
She has a deep voice for a female because she IS a dude kek. And the fact that someone thought it was a black guy TRYING to sound feminine is indicative of the fact that it sounds unnatural and phony.
But I'm sure you'll try to explain why my opinion is incorrect, and that I'm just being a transphobic prick.
I swear to god, why do i bother actually playing music anymore? Practicing riffs, scales, etc. Trying to get the right material for band and projects, working out on cover songs to stay grounded, trying to have at least passable vocals sans autotune ( a real singer i sure as hell am not). Keeping equipment in shape, etc, etc.
Goddamn just everything.
Why bother when utter crap like this shit released to rave reviews and chart and sell big?
>>64625588
Everything is a concept, you being retarded is a concept. Your whole life is a concept.
>>64629402
Chop your dick off, start shopping in the Women's department, and then write songs about your oppression...
Of course I'm joking, but I 100% believe this would get you the critical acclaim that you desire... 100 fucking percent
>>64629119
Amen, brother.
>astoundingly well-received album
>...except by a bunch of surburban hateful young men with no lived experience
topkek /mu/ - once again showing literally no understanding of the world.
Hilarious that all the abuse you aim at tumblr feminists (who are mainly shit don't get me wrong) about 'feels' not reals and being triggered is so hypocritical because you respond in the exact same way.
Please call me a cuck and cry.
>>64629767
>>astoundingly well-received album
(by modern music "journalists" pushing an agenda that as nothing to do with the actual music, and the young uneducated drones who follow everything they say)
>>64629767
>literally no understanding of the world
Some of us understand it (especially the music biz and media) all too well.
>>64629352
I don't disagree with you at all other than you consider her a dude and I consider her a girl. All I was doing was pointing out that the person who said she sounded like a black dude is probably retarded. I personally don't really think it sounds unnatural at all, but that might just be bc I've been listening to her since before she was out as trans. Back then she was just a dude who sang in a high pitch voice, like Shamir or James Blake at times. She didn't change her voice at all over the years from what I can tell
>>64629767
>no lived experience
lol i love how tumblr kids pull this stupid buzzphrase out all the time, you have no idea about anybody's life
remember that "being trans" is the height of "lived experience" guys, nothing else comes close to the pure experience being trans is
you're a serviceman? ha! you've had a million different jobs? lol! try being transgender, then you'll see what living's really like!
kill yourself your entire life is spent on the internet
>>64629826
Get this and read it.
support our troops the album
>>64629826
I love seeing this idea of an agenda being pushed. Hateful 4chan dwellers think that pushing for rights for anyone is some sort of conspiracy to genocide white men, from BLM, to trans issues, to womens rights.
Look, I'm not going to convince you to change your views. I know you want to hate trans people. Go ahead. But I just find it funny that the wide range of places where I find music opinions, from my friends, to critical reviews, to general comsumers, enjoy this album, yet a website associated with bigotry doesn't.
You're calling fans of this uneducated. I'd like to see how you can spin people enjoying contemporary political themes and fantastically produced music as uneducated. Sure, there might be some bandwagon fans, but this spurious claim just doesn't make sense and seems to only be deployed as a method of maintaining some sort of perceived authority on the manner.
>>64629497
I think i might just give it up and sell my gear. Have to decide what to do next.
>>64629119
Do so anyways. I think we'll eventually emerge on the right side of this.
ITT: lyrics are cringy because because a fat Trans woman sings them. If this was a Jamie Stewart release you'd all be gobbling his dick.
>>64629986
>fantastically produced music
Could literally be made over the weekend with not much effort. It doesn't require much in the way of actual musical skill to put a release like that together. The lyrics are also painfully easy to come up with.
>>64629914
By lived experience I mean that due to the majority of this website being young suburban white guys, or at least the overwhelming vocal minority, then the chances that you have engaged with trans issues, race issues, or anything else is minimal.
I'm not saying being trans is harder than being a manual labourer in every case, but being trans has a specific set of difficulties within society that are generalised and observable through historical research of the law, of sociology, of politics and literature, et al.
Again, being transgender brings with it a whole set of specific difficultes, much like being black, or being gay, or being a woman, and yes, like being a young white male. History, philosophy and sociology map these differences to try and understand how society operates.
My accusation of the majority of 4chan being suburban well-off dudes is based on my assumption that you do not come into direct contact with these issues in your life. I've never properly understood the intense hatred for marginalised groups that is fostered on this site, except to try and see that the userbase here doesn't really understand whats going on, and instead, reacts virulently against it.
Again, i'm sure you're whatever you say you are, and you have a bajillion trans friends or whatever you'll say to invalidate my claims. But at the end of the day, you're the one getting angry that one trans person has a well-received album.
>>64630133
this is the calibre of idiot that frequents these threads.
please overcome this
>>64630188
Not him but that was a worthless response
>>64629986
I don't quite agree with the anon you're responding to about the idea that it's propaganda; however, there is a most certainly a heavy amount of sanctimonious groupthinking that is occurring in journalism today -- especially when it concerns these trendy social topics.
And the fact that you bring up BLM and Women's rights, when these things are relatively unrelated is indicative of the fact that you just want to lump anyone who criticizes these subjects in much the same way as the bigots that you're always in search of.
As far as the quality of the record, it's obviously subjective, but as far as I'm concerned, the lyrics are nauseatingly sentimental and callow, and the production is fairly innocuous.
And for future reference, if the only thing you're going to respond to a statement with, is essentially "you're a hateful bigot", you end up looking kinda stupid.
>>64630308
*lump together
>>64630143
nah this album has cringe Lyrics
pic related is the goat transgender album
>>64630188
Please.
Nothing on that release is like trying to write for example, Paganini's Caprice 24.
>>64630339
This
Sprinkles is my favorite mentally ill musician.
>>64630308
I don't think anyone can deny that the general 4chan user is opposed to BLM, trans and womens rights in much the same way. Yes this is a generalization, but being honest with your use of the website, that it the case.
And yes, I would agree there is an uncritical groupthink associated with liberation politics - this is acted out by teenagers and unengaged people on social media, the prime example being the much maligned tumblrina.
But whilst 4chan is a group of individuals, it collectively shares the same uncritical vitriol and bile towards women, lgbt people and ethnic minorites. All of these are liberation issues and conversations usually tend towards that way.
Yeah, I didn't do the best at getting my point across, but it's never going to be well recieved here, so I didn't put in much effort. I'm happy to talk about this in more depth.
>>64625190
what a horible album. This dude can't write lyrics for shit.
>>64625607
yea but when was the last time onehendrix point never actually released anything good?
>>64630460
>I don't think anyone can deny that the general 4chan user is opposed to BLM, trans and womens rights in much the same way
Sure, and there is plenty to criticize. The problem is that many individuals are more concerned with posturing than addressing things on a point for point basis -- and that goes for both sides.
Whether you're calling someone an SJW or "shill" or bigot or homophobe or whatever other kind of made-up phobia people use, these are not arguments and they carry absolutely no weight whatsoever; they only serve to derail any attempt at having a productive discussion.
>>64629986
it's not white genocide, you retard. it's called marketing
pushing ideologies and products to white nerds isn't as profitable as pushing social justice to normies. not even p4k writers believe in this shit and the praise ofr anohni's mediocre record is emblematic of the cynicism behind modern feminism and its industry-wide shilling
>>64625190
So here's the deal: I love OPN, I love Antony's duets with Björk, I love the piano/vocal version of OPN's "Returnal", and haven't really heard enough And The Johnsons' output to have anything but a neutral opinion.
That said, I only made it three tracks into this album before losing interest. I'd like to give it another shot sometime because I'm down with the idea of these artists collaborating and have enjoyed their output in the past, but lyrically this is just some of the most on-the-nose, didactic, preachy music I've heard in a while.
I don't even necessarily disagree with the politics behind the lyrics...but there's conveying a message; and there's conveying a message artfully, tactfully, with subtlety (or even just with enough style), and this feels like none of those to me. Yes, mass surveillance is bad. No, "Watch Me" is not a compelling or substantial expression of that fact.
I also take no issue with Antony's status as transgender nor with her preferred pronouns, but I also can't shake the feeling that the glowing reviews are something of an olive branch to that end. Music this painfully didactic is almost always critically derided and I can't help but feel like there's a double standard at work.
It sucks, because I actively want to hear more OPN & Antony collaborations, but I also actively don't want to listen to a track literally titled "Obama".
>>64630817
transphobic the post fuck off
>>64626272
>>64625588
>mfw these degenerates are bound to see their ridiculous ideologies crumble by itself
>mfw people realize trans-genderism is a mental disorder
>mfw you imply I'm transphobic for stating the facts
>mfw you're pathetic little faggots who have no clue of what the world really is
>>64630809
Buh... but Beyonce is the voice of a generation, anon. Is that what I'm supposed to say? Did I do good?
>>64630839
It's painfully obvious it was lauded solely because of the trans angle. Fuck off.
>>64630893
nah just ignore it this fast food type of marketing dies off in a week
>>64630900
>It's painfully obvious it was lauded solely because of the trans angle. Fuck off.
the fact shes trans adds to the content of the music. music can not seriously be understood without cultural context. and the cultural context adds so much here.
>music this painfully didactic is almost always critically derided and I can't help but feel like there's a double standard at work
>I can't help but feel
Its ok, you can go ahead and state it as fact
>but I also actively don't want to listen to a track literally titled "Obama"
What about a track entitled "Trump"?
>>64625190
>fat snape
>***************she***********************
>>64630991
You wrote that with a straight face?
>>64625190
Literally who?
Antony & The Johnsons > Anohni
>if you disagree you/re the kinda scum who don't belong on the board
i dunno, i thought it was a good album
>>64625190
I'm utterly dissapointed in this album
I loved 4 degrees and drone bomb me, but when I got to hear the rest of these songs I cringed at everything. The only new song I liked was Marrow, but the rest of this shit was brutal.
>>64630991
I suppose advising you to "get out" would be a bit too obvious
>>64630991
>the fact shes trans adds to the content of the music
>shes trans therefore progressive therefore should be critically higher rated than any regular album to its otherwise equal
>>64630991
>>64625651
this, it sounds great but when i pay attention to the lyrics i cringe, they're very middle school
>>64631709
It'll be a smash hit though.It'll be compared to the best of Dylan sooner or later.
>>64631836
>It'll be a smash hit though.It'll be compared to the best of Dylan sooner or later.
Define smash hit.
>>64631836
sure bro
>>64631836
I think you slightly overestimate the power of the SJW. I mean there's no question that it's lyrical quality is being grossly exaggerated due to the fact that... well we all know why; however, I don't think anyone would be so audacious as to compare his lyrical skills to Dylan.
>>64631836
Lol are you really comparing one of the greatest songwriters of all time to a guy who dresses in drag who sings about fake problems to be trendy?
>>64631939
>I don't think anyone would be so audacious as to compare his lyrical skills to Dylan.
I actually willing to bet money that someone will. Swear to god. Just bring it up out of the blue in a conversation with some writers with a certain viewpoint to push and someone will actually agree. Shit like this never fails.
>>64632003
Guess that went over your head.
>>64632061
except antony is an amazing lyricist and dylan is a misogynistic mansplainer with a white saviour complex.
>>64630991
>Your average libcuck
>>64632115
So you don't have an argument then? That's what I thought cunt. Go crawl back into whatever hole you came out of, you pathetic excuse for a human.
>>64632115
good concept
awful album
the "idea" is better than the execution according to practically everyone though
if someone is telling you to enjoy bad music because of the concept behind the lyrics, you're wasting your time talking to that person
>>64632115
Yeah, stuff like that is exactly what i expect.
>>64632115
>dylan is a misogynistic mansplainer with a white saviour complex.
true but hes still a better lyricist
>>64632215
>the "idea" is better than the execution according to practically everyone though
This.
>>64632115
>Bob Dylan was a mansplainer
I cannot stop laughing at this
My fucking sides
>>64630603
Last year?
That is a great cover. Probably the only good thing about the album though
i remember when antony performed this incredibly moving ballad with two aboriginal elders https://youtu.be/bBIubgsfK8E?t=86
