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i like how seunghee is so self confident
she seems to love how she looks when she's on V live... it's like she kisses herself in the mirror
crayon pup
do it amazing
>>64277446
minhee ayy you...
>>64277446
downsee is so gross. incredible
all i can say is hul
![160419 SBS funE.더쇼.아린.지효.펫스타그램.H.264.AC3(6ch).Original_Cut.ts_snapshot_00.21_[2016.04.23_00.18.11].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mf1ypSL.jpg "160419 SBS funE.더쇼.아린.지효.펫스타그램.H.264.AC3(6ch).Original Cut.ts snapshot 00.21 [2016.04.23 00.18.11]")
>jiho has granny hands
what
the
FUCK
>>64277482
they look normal, retard
lovely seunghee
>>64277482
not really?
>>64277477
>hfw you keep forcing "downsee"
i miss the old OMG
straight from debut OMG
>>64277513
lol i always thought jiae looked inbred from her face this just confirms it
>>64277392
want her to suffocate me to death with those
>>64277446
I'd love to fuck her so fucking hard...
eh fine keep posting with the retard that hates everything
im gonna listen to kpop or something
>>64277482
Someone post Jiae's hands
what was she thinking about?
>>64277513
is this photoshopped? she needs to see a doctor if not
OMG subber, please sub the OMG sketchbook eps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L11C2tbyo10
imagine having a threesome with arin and seunghee...
imagine having a foursome with arin, seunghee and mimi...
>>64277571
lies
>>64277446
>>64277513
>>64277537
>>64277520
who the FUCK are these ugly shitters?
seriously do these fucking companies even try anymore with these disgusting nugus?
Sure people bitch and complain about SM and other big companies, but at least the don't turn on no-talent ugly pieces of garbage
what in the fuck
>>64277566
this diary post takes me back to when OMG was actually good...
Liar Liar is bit of a letdown desu
>>64277580
sure. what do I do once I sub it though?
degenerate tier idols:
1. sunny
2. downsee
3. sorn
4. babysoul
5. umji
yuju is about to catch up though, thanks grazia
>>64277571
Bo Gum licking her arm pits.
sassy key
https://youtu.be/u0iCf4TTlaE?t=5m3s
these days I'm listening to Cupid and Closer more than Liar Liar
>>64277589
>omg
>ugly
kill yourself
OMG subber, please be my bf
>>64277600
who are those two ugly chicks in the back? what song does shinee have back dancers in?
>>64277593
put it on vimeo or dailymotion
>>64277611
liar liar is so good though and pink ocean is their best all around album even though i like closer as a title better
how do most subs get distributed anyway? it seems like most of them are subbing groups on twitter
>>64277621
wtf
>>64277571
seulgis p
every time i see arin, all i can think about is her musical tallents
>>64277633
youtube gets the most views but it gets deleted more easily due to copyright bs
>>64277628
Closer is probably their GOAT
http://www.k-pendium.com/007/
>>64277633
>>64277633
you just need to put them on dailymotion and let people find them, they usually appear after a while on google
![프로듀스 101 E11 END.160401.HDTV.H264.720p-구제역돼지.mp4_snapshot_02.00.42_[2016.04.23_01.31.07].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Txg3uUC.jpg "프로듀스 101 E11 END.160401.HDTV.H264.720p-구제역돼지.mp4 snapshot 02.00.42 [2016.04.23 01.31.07]")
>oppa why didnt you vote for me
>>64277655
depends on the company, I've uploaded Weekly Idol and it gets blocked in Korea, some other was claimed for the music but the file wasn't deleted
this is the best non-title OMG song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn2BzRwFaBM
didnt we almost have it all~
http://idology.kr/6717
>>64277703
VIRUS
I
R
U
S
>>64277680
my fav non-title song is Knock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKxczsK7ROI
>>64277703
virus
http://omg-trans.tumblr.com
i actually submitted some of mine here a while ago
MBC Music Core starts in ~10 minutes
https://streamup.com/kgp700
>>64277715
>>64277713
it's a review of OMG's concept, in Korean though
>>64277723
>hiatus
>November 2015
>>64277727
thanks
>>64277714
same!
K N O C K
N
O
C
K
>>64277727
after I was just going to bed after my current song.
got the line up? I wanna see if its even worth my time.
>>64277600
key is so great actually
and look at jonghyun in that video
he looked so much like amber does now from his side profile, the nose ears, face and everything
>>64277738
oh they've been on hiatus for a while now lol
>>64277751
>after i was just. . .
hmmm. maybe I need to sleep more than I thought
>>64277751
I can't find a lineup but OMG is performing so that is worth watching
>>64277727
thanks big vaginer
>>64277727
Sexy kqt weathergirl...
seunghee kissed on Music Bank???? omo
how is wendys weight going?
What did Sunny mean by this
1 step 2 steps is better than Liar Liar
So is B612
So is I Found Love
I want to go on a date with hani, and later see her hot pink ________
>>64277798
yes she made a kiss sound, it was cute
>>64277809
we do not bully the chorong around here
>>64277809
word
[4 May 23 2016] CNBLUE. Block B . VIXX. Yesung . Jung Eun-ji . Junhyoseong. GOT7. BTOB. Up tension. OMNI know. NCT U. Night worthwhile. Defcon. Meteor. Boys Republic. Recreation. very good . Mint
>OMNI know
that was oh my girl lol
>>64277809
snsd has deep ties to the underground
>>64277809
Dunno I aint speak oink
>>64277809
refrain from committing libel against the soft spoken member of a pink
>>64277808
delightfully chubby
>>64277817
omo shimkoonghae~
who's the girl that sang all off-pitch at the end though?
>>64277813
none of them are good for performance
what's twice's first show next week?
>>64277738
they know, they are just memeing
>>64277774
>but OMG is performing so that is worth watching
Weeell. .
guess its time for me to hit the hay...
>>64277843
Probably SBSMTV The Show on Tuesday since they release on Monday morning
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEiG8NJmXI6/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEiG8NJmXI6/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEiG8NJmXI6/
>>64277839
Are you kidding me? 1 step 2 steps has an incredible dance. They could do a double stage with B612 like GFriend did with Trust
>>64277856
was it announced in there though? I only remember MCD
>>64277853
eat a fat cock gaypopper
>>64277871
dont censor my face
>>64277867
only if ITSP wasn't out
OMG is too nugu to double stages, I wonder how laboum did it though...
>>64277871
not enough blur to hide that unfortunate face
>>64277478
daebak
Show is starting NOW
>>64277856
is the show live now? wasn't it recorded like months in advance sometimes?
and the fuck is mint doing still in korea... give up
>MINTEU
lol
>>64277897
CRACK CRACK CRACK CRACK CRACK
babysoul just slayed me
>sujeong photobombing again
smdh
>>64277878
sorry
>>64277856
>>64277874
they're not on the show. it's most likely mcd
how do we save hyomin?
>>64277674
you werent as cute as sohye
>>64277900
didn't it say MINNTY?
>>64277892
isnt it?
>>64277856
JYP doesn't do The Show
probably M Countdown on Thursday
>HEY LOSER
Hey, it's your song kpg
is mint natty? she's cuter than most idols desu
>>64277907
we can't, she crossed the rubicon
>>64277907
i know a way, but it involves a lot of baby oil.
>>64277887
ITSP is legit my SOTY rn, it was such a feelsfest i'm really hoping IOI performs it.
Looks like they did 24 hours on Sugarman so i have hope.
>>64277913
Is it? the hangul says Minteu
you were right, it's MINTTY
>>64277925
ive got jergens on the line
continue
>>64277916
jyp groups are performing on the show.
i think you're talking about cube
>>64277938
yeah that's how it's spelled, but wonder why the song info called her one name and the overlay another
>>64277928
>Looks like they did 24 hours on Sugarman
I saw a clip of Yoojung doing that one western song
>>64277837
post chubby wendy
>>64277940
first we cover her in the oil
BerryBois ww@
Berry Good is my new fav nugu, Very Berry is ACE
>>64277958
alright....
now what
>that upskirt shot
SHAME ON YOU, MUSIC CORE
>>64277965
I kinda like this song, sounds very jpop
>>64277969
then we slide her out the door, and tada, she's free!
>>64277952
Ok i have hope then
Can't wait to see my girl Sejeong dominate on ITSP next to my girl Flexible Information
This concept has provided so many good stage outfits.
>>64277979
but her clothes have been stolen, i cant leave her out there exposed and defenseless
>mbc couldnt afford to license a preview of Cheer Up so they just used a debut track
lol
>>64277975
post a screenie I missed it
>>64277975
Yeah i think they purposely went for a jpop sound and they're one of the few groups who can legit sing live
>>64277928
>>64277887
I like OSTS and the other lOl track based Jinyoung produced better than ITSP but yeah i hope he continues to compose OMG stuff, the guy knows his way around a purepop song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_QcYtFIW4E
>>64277999
>>64277965
berry good got the old kpop/jpop sound down, retro in a good way
>>64277839
Liar Liar couldnt have been very comfortable to perform of all the songs, being so high pitched all the way through.
Plus 1s2s had a great dance alraedy made up.
>>64277987
Um
She looks like a cheap skank and that octopus from The Little Mermaid... And i like Hyosung
>>64277996
you can rewind on the youtube stream, I can't screencap right now
>>64278016
too much work
>>64278005
OMG isn't purepop though
any plumpy twice girls?
alright post hyosungs teeth right now
>>64278030
gonna make some webms of yesterday's performance though
>>64277987
>>64278029
>>64278004
please keep posting
>>64278012
omo yooa is so pretty
>>64278034
momo
wheres the lineup
melody day comeback when
>featuring Mimi of Oh My Girl
based
>>64278038
Stop meanie
the y gave chinky jiae's hairstyle
momo has it too
>>64277989
we'll have to throw a blanket on her or something until she can get some new clothes
Mimi is straight up the most beautiful kpop
Mimi getting to perform instead of kisum
>>64278068
i'm not trying to be mean. they're so alluring to look at..
>>64278069
what a flippin goddess
>>64278075
that's what all music show performances with rapper featurings go though
>>64278067
The song was fire, Mimi can phuccin rap
>>64278075
Kisum is a better rapper than an idol rapper
I don't think anyone will cry about Kisum's one verse in that song being replaced
Bend the knee.
>>64278067
>>64278073
>>64278075
>tfw I wasn't watching
fuck...
>>64278032
Closer mv is literally an ode to purity
I don't understand berry good's outfits
what are these things under their shirts?
Kisum is a shitty rapper anyway
Mimi played it a lot better
>>64278105
Daye is so beautiful
first from left, btw
>>64278100
sure
but i hate the word "purepop" because it's usually for shit that's for fantasies of a literal beta virgin pedo otaku
like gfriend or lovelyz for example
>>64278112
yeah mimi was really good
>>64278100
Don't respond, he's baiting
>>64278105
Titty straps
>>64278091
kisum is an idol rapper. everyone from UPRS and SMTM are. dont kid yourself
>>64278102
pretty rapstar
Hyosung reminds me of anri okita
>ITSP outfits
well kinda, but omooooooooooooooooo
LIAR LIAR LIAR~
>mimi
since when....
>>64278105
suspenders
have you ever even WORN clothes, idiot
>>64278105
suspenders to hold their skirts up
looks like something Mijoo would wear
OMG is purer purepop than gfriend
>>64278105
Who is in the middle?
>>64278105
Suspenders idiot
I will download these performances in 2-3 months when we all forget the shitty webms posted now, and will make proper ones. So many good moments.
>>64278129
>bait
there's a difference between an ode to purity and associating purity with pathetic fantasies
>>64277627
binnie is perfect.
Oh My Girl is a well rounded group with amazing performers, and are a lot better than the nugu performers like Kisum that are praised for being medicore yet "underrated". Being underrated isn't a good excuse for a lack of success, let's just be clear.
I mean to put it boldly, I prefer OMG to SNSD, Apink or any of the other top groups at this stage
>>64278139
Um not really m8... ITSP is the definition of a pure song... No midriff that's for damn sure
>>64278158
I dunno, I only know the original girls
>>64278165
how about you just make them right now if you're talking about OMG
>>64277600
I didn't like Key at first when I got into Shinee, nowdays he's prettiest my favourite fashiest sassy as fuck personality. I think it's because he has alot of element of truth when he mocks 'television scripted' events, he'll call out on shenanigans.
Plus his good looks are all natty as fuck.
>>64278175
>No midriff that's for damn sure
but upskirts allowed lol
>>64278172
I like OMG too but let's not get crazy. They still have a LOT to prove before they're comparable to SNSD or Apink.
>>64278172
OMG has everything down
they just need to make it, that's all
>>64278180
I personally ignore all the omg webms posted now, I assume all other anons are in a similar situation
>A 40 year old has-been "underground" "rapper" performing about "how hard my life was and how great my life is now"
This shit is just hilarious to me. Just because Defconn is a variety host doesn't mean I am going to shit on him for coming back when his time has passed years ago. You aren't JYP dude.
>>64278204
yep same
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
>>64278204
nah, the one guy's webms are easily identifiable
i think everyone will appreciate it if you made actual good OMG webms
>>64278210
Leave him alone dude
DON'T TOUCH SAERON YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
>>64278172
OMG is the future. Apink is the present. SNSD is the past and only sm shills still like them
ramramram2...
>>64278238
stop samefagging
>>64278244
Forgot your taeyeon
>>64278204
stop memeing, everyone likes his omg webms
>>64278238
>OMG is the future.
lol
>>64278249
lol your webms suck dick dude
>>64278249
it's literally just yozoh
>>64278238
Chronologically, this is the right order. However, SNSD is still FAR AND AWAY the most popular girl group there is. And sadly, OMG's concept is too patrician for mouthbreathing SEA monkeys who only think about shipping idols and waving glowsticks
>>64278244
>>64278253
fuck off sm shills
Let's be real here. All of your fucking webms suck dick. You guys never seem to have the right bitrate and it ends up looking piss poor. It's every single Webm. We don't need to single out one dude when every single one of you are guilty.
i think that camera man wants an upskirt shot
>>64278265
do you own some fancy proprietary software to be able to make such great webms?
vp8 is shit
>>64278263
>OMG's too patrician
that's why they're good
>>64278265
Stop complaining about the fucking webms, nobody else here is autistic enough to care and your samefagging is getting pretty tiresome
>>64278186
I liked on Weekly Idol when they were asking the group to all rank themselves in looks, he said he knows he's not handsome and that's why he always tarts himself up. Sassy yet still humble.
Love Key
eat shit and open your rice
OPEN YOUR ICE
>>64278268
A for effort, he really tried
>>64278282
>your samefagging is getting pretty tiresome
that's what he baits for
he's gotten so desperate he even talks shit about himself to get replies
jiyeon, if i'm being honest
>>64278172
if you're talking "top" in terms of sales/success, etc., yeah I'd agree with you, OMG definitely upped their game in the past year, though I wouldn't put them above Red Velvet
if you're talking "top" as in old/established/previously successful (After School, 2NE1, T-ara, 9muses, Girl's Day, 4minute, Kara, Rainbow, etc.), you're delusional
>>64278005
imagine an omg mini-album with itsp, osts, and wtcbf
kpop would be saved by our girls ohmygirl
>>64278238
SNSD are eternal. Apink are never was. OMG are for Arin and Jiho thighs.
is pepe a kpop listener?
Twice, Lovelyz, Gfriend, CLC, Laboum, and WJSN are all better young groups than OMG
me and taeyeon have a lot in common
>long as ride
>>64278281
They'll never get as big as Apink/SNSD though. Their sound is indie, but they're marketed to top 40-loving plebs. GFriend will blow them out of the water every time with their ITNW ripoffs
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEh9XJDrRR5/
I thought idols were poor
>>64278298
she's pretty attractive
>one guy samefagging about OMG
yawnnnnnn
leave our girls alone with your stupid bait
>>64278310
r u voldemort?
>>64278300
he's speaking in subjective terms like talent and the likeability of their music so nothing matters except his opinion
No Laboum today :(
>>64278317
her mom's paying for it
>>64278325
how'd you spot me that quick m8
>>64278300
>After School, 9muses, Girl's Day, 4minute, Rainbow
These groups are mid tier at best tbqhwu
>choi koon mistakes CLC for OMG
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sjs4wE0vUI
Who needs that slovenly chinese poor man's hani when you can raise your standards and aspire to a mimi kgf?
>>64278317
that china money
then again, a game of golf won't exactly break the bank, unless you're playing at some expensive course.
>>64278337
mid tier at what, though? that's what I'm trying to get him to clear up
160422 [Hanteo] (1st Day) Eunji #Dream 24:00 PM KST: 1,928 copies. Total accumulated copies: 3,743 copies.
[Notice] Regarding Jung Eun Ji 'Dream' Mini Album sales
Due to printing and backend issues, Plan A has restricted the release of bulk orders by fansites which includes the 4,000 bulk order by Eunji's chinese fansites and various bulk orders by the Korean fans.Currently, the sales reflected on Hanteo are albums bought individually from the stores in Korea, bulks more than 400 copies or so are restricted to be landed yet. As a result of the issue, the company stated that the bulk orders can only be landed on the 27th onwards.
We hope that we have answered your queries, thank you.
Do you think they are telling the truth or are they making excuses for Eunji flopping
>>64278338
god i wanna see seungheei's fupar so bad
>>64278339
i aspire for a chinkflippygf
DAEBAK
>>64278335
i cryiyiyiyiyi
>>64278201
binnie a cute
>>64278318
extremely. just how many webms do you have?
>>64278330
stop trying to goof on me like this or else..
Me after hearing Dream: Eunjeezy u did it again, u a genius nigga
>>64278308
Those groups all have shitty music compared to OMG and are not as good looking and talented.
>>64278348
excuses
>4k
ROFL
>>64278339
i hope you're not talking about binnie
>>64278356
*sips*
me too anon... me too
>>64278354
I want to analfuck this slut
>>64278358
or what?
>>64278348
MEDIAPLAY
>>64278348
she's still #1 on melon which has always been a pink's strong point over physical
>>64278317
only nugu idols are poor
>>64278374
her name is choass and she is NOT a slut
why haven't you bulk bought 4000 of your waifu's albums yet?
surely you love her more than some soulless chink loves eunji
>open stream
>gaypop
>>64278354
was this in japan? i need a cam.
>>64278385
That sounds like an excuse. Apink has never been a popular group and Melon is backed by LOEN, Plan A's parent. I think this is Grade A mediaplay and a foil for Eunji's solo doing badly. First it was sajaegi for digital charts and now they are inflating their physical sales.
>>64278385
>#1 on melon
>apink is loen now
sajaegi
nothing to see here
>>64278385
sajaegi
>>64278380
what the. you just jacked that picture from me last thread.. that's it, pal.. i gotta put you down
I feel the need to remind this general that choa is not a slut and in fact an awkward qt
![150804 지연 (of 티아라T-ARA) - 내귀에 캔디 (cover) [Summer K-POP Festival 서울광장] by drighk 직캠fancam(3).webm](https://i.imgur.com/x4KqFNR.jpg "150804 지연 (of 티아라T-ARA) - 내귀에 캔디 (cover) [Summer K-POP Festival 서울광장] by drighk 직캠fancam(3)")
>>64278358
not a lot, making webms is boring
>People still think that LOEN doesn't sajaegi their artists
It has happened so many times that all I can say is that I expected Eunji's solo to get inflated
>>64278348
excuses 100%, its counting everything except people who buy 400+ at a time, which is a minority
eunji has no fans, flop confirmed
>eunji flops
time for plan b....
>>64278361
Lovelyz will be getting good songs in the future, I guarantee it.
Laboum has some good songs, and CLC has a decent roster. Twice, WJSN, and Gfriend are shit though, I'll give you that.
>>64278417
Based guy who believes the mediaplay
>>64278425
chorong bossa nova album incoming
>>64278428
>lovelyz
they hit GOAT on debut and kinda slipping after a while
>CLC
First Love and Question were great albums, Refresh is garbage though
>Laboum
they never had a good song, all throwaway quality songs made by nugu producers
i only watch mucore for ron_sae desu
>>64278418
well, the ones you make are good. quality over quantity
>diminishing other groups because of the one you like
The worst kind of people.
>>64278437
what mediaplay?
>>64278422
when did that happen so many times and what about fiestar and sunny hill?
>>64278448
yeziniggerchimperling..
>>64278450
That's what makes those groups so embarassing
>>64278348
I think they are telling the truth. Her song is doing really well on all the charts right now
>>64278410
don't shoot me, I'm too young to die
>>64278460
>I think they are telling the truth
lol
>>64278460
Charts are about how many plays they get on websites
Physical sales have 0 to do with charts unless its Gaon or Hanteo, both of which are monthly charts
>>64278459
well do you mean iu then?
>>64278444
Lovelyz debut was damn near perfect, hard to top it. But yeah apart from Achoo not really digging their new stuff as much... Hoping this mini goes HAM
>>64278476
>HAM
ham sandwiches...
>>64278472
>Gaon or Hanteo, both of which are monthly charts
?
>people who defend their flops claiming it's doing well digitally ONLY
lol
>sajaegi
>generic songs that aren't good enough to purchase
i don't get this digital meme, clearly you have to do better on YouTube or physical sales if you're really doing that well..."WAHHHHH nothing matters except digital" is just an excuse
it was a bait forced by YG shitters and now everyone is doing it
>>64278485
I meant to say physical
Not sure why I said monthly instead
>>64278487
the last time i read a post longer than 4 lines was never
>>64278487
only sistarfags claim digital matters and its because they have shit physical
>>64278463
wait a second.. don't tell me gunfapper is also the prankster...
>>64278472
right but if it's doing well in the mainstream, it should sell more than 4k physical. Maybe not a lot but more than that
>>64278493
that's why shitstar is irrelevant
i hate these melon shills thinking only digital sales is relevant, you're clearly irrelevant if you're flopping in every other means
>>64278475
Well IU probably has a couple more (uncle) fans but probably not by much. Uncle fans will believe anything as long as their group is put in a positive light. just look at all the apinkshitters, OMGshitters, and Gfriendfags here
>>64278499
I'm not a gunfapper or a prankster
I'm just memer
gaon chart is the only relevant chart
>2016
>looking at melon sajaegi chart
that'd be like caring about Facebook or Google trending keywords
>>64278513
>but probably not by much
oh i see. so iu is actually a nugu and just because of loen's sajaegi it seems like she's a top star in korea?
>>64278517
oh its you and with a new winku.. don't think anything will top the original though
>>64278540
IU is irrelevant, everyone hates her now
I see you're a pedo
>>64278537
hanteo is the more relevant chart
![john-kasich-donald-trump-ohio[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8eqH6MH.jpg "john-kasich-donald-trump-ohio[1]")
>charts
>>64278544
I've stolen it yesterday
it's a decent winku desu
If you are looking at charts as a sign of success you are retarded
CFs and sponsorship deals are bigger breadwinners
lovelyz is number 1 in my heart
>>64278463
what a beautiful ham
>>64278573
and heres the shitstarfag
>>64278552
i don't like her but i just wanted to see some examples for loen's sajaegi
>It has happened so many times that all I can say is that I expected Eunji's solo to get inflated
but i guess you can't show me some
>>64278573
but the retarded thing in korea is... doing digital sajaegi can easily bring both
>>64278573
okay, post the stats for those
>>64278589
Look up Sistar's overall earnings compared to their sales.
>>64278593
sponsored
chaeyeong is the only girl for me
Goodnight kpg
>>64278604
make a new thread before you go to sleep
>>64278601
she's 14..
>>64278593
can't find the balance sheets starship made public, mind getting them for me?
>>64278540
If she was really a top star she would be more famous. How come its only losers who like kpop that know her then?
Of course you will deny because you're an uncle fan yourself, so theres no use taking you from the cave when it brings you so much pleasure.
>>64278563
if only kyungri had a cute wink.. but she just kinda looks like she had a stroke when she tries.. minha best wink muse
>>64278612
im 0 years old
chaeyeon is the only girl for me
>>64278616
why are you assuming things out of nowhere? stop projecting
>>64278552
sly pedo fox or not, IU is a goddess and seeing her everyday makes life worth living
is there any reason to believe that idol groups on reality shows like showtime are still putting on manufactured personas? or is it genuine?
>>64278700
still manufactured, the shows are still scripted to a degree and the editing removes anything offensive
>>64278712
that's a shame, i'd be down to see how they really truly are, but i can understand why companies gotta protect their brand
