Why did Grunge die /mu/
kurt died
>>64256835
Post-Grunge.
Nirvana became big and every major label wanted to have their own Nirvana. Thus began post-grunge, which was commercially produced grunge and frankly, isn't very good, save for a few albums. Market became saturated with it and it got old really fast.
I wouldn't be making music without it though, so I gotta thank it for existing.
Post-grunge got born and killed all rock
muh generation X
Unpopular opinion
In Utero was better than Nevermind.
>>64256835
I'm pretty sure Nirvana considered themselves punk/metal, grunge was more of a media hype thing
Echoes of grunge still remain in hipster fashion/indie rock sorta music
Some bands, like the great Smashing Pumpkins, put on silver pants and put out sprawling ego trip albums as a fuck you to the homogeny of "grunge" radio
>>64256940
I consider Bleach their only pure punk album though.
>>64256920
Is that really an unpopular opinion?
>>64256962
It is, Nevermind is their most comercial album so it's the one most talked about.
>>64256950
I always considered Bleach too sludgy to be punk
>>64256868
This
And also across the pond from the US Nirvana in particular was one of the catalysts for Britpop becoming popular as a kind of reaction genre to grunge, which then completely erased it from the pop music scene of 90s Britain.
>>64256868
>>64256868
What are some good Post-Grunge albums?
All I can think of is Toadies - Rubberneck
>>64256868
What bands were considered post-grunge?
Collective Soul, Better than Ezra, Semisonic, Dishwalla, Stabbing Westward, The Toadies etc... was alternative rock, yeah?
>>64257110
Alice In Chains - Dirt
Nirvana - Bleach, In Utero, Nevermind, Incesticide
>>64256835
'cause it sucked
shoegaze and idm were clearly superior
>>64257134
>Alice In Chains - Dirt
That's grunge/metal dude.
>>64257148
>>64257134
>implying Toadies are Grunge.
>>64256978
but In Utero is an objectively better album, there's no one arguing against it
>>64257174
He didn't.
>>64257179
1. Serve The Servants
2. Radio Friendly Unit Shifter
3. All Apologies
My pick for the 3 best songs off the album.
>>64257110
Jerry Cantrell's solo albums
Days Of The New's first album (haven't given their others a listen yet)
Two that I happen to really enjoy are Candlebox and Sponge's debut albums, but nobody else seems to enjoy them. Those two might just be from childhood attachment though.
>>64257118
Collective Soul was post-grunge. Other examples include Bush, Candlebox, Creed, Puddle Of Mudd and Sponge. There's also bands that started off with promise, but quickly turned to post-grunge, like Foo Fighters and Silverchair, the latter of which were literally told by their label that they wanted the band to make songs that sounded like Nirvana.
There's also some acts in the nu-metal / alt-metal scene that tread that post-grunge water, like Staind and Cold. It's foggy, but there's plenty of different examples.
>>64257207
What about Frances Farmer will have her revenge on Seattle?
Am I the only person that loves Skin Yard's first album?
This is 10/10 grunge for me.
>>64256978
by children i guess
>>64257239
It would be 4th then.
>>64256920
>>64256962
yeah i completely agree, and i think many others share the same opinion,
>>64257220
Staind was basically trying to sound like Alice in Chains. So did Metallica with Load and Reload and Anthrax with Sound of White Noise.
>>64257275
definitely
Also this album was pretty good aswell
>>64257288
If Staind sounds like Alice In Chains then deadmau5 sounds like Daniel Lopatin
>>64257360
>trying to sound like Alice in Chains
>>64257220
>a trip that knows anything about grunge
best new neo/mu/tant
>>64256868
>>64257220
damn, you know your shit
>>64257134
That's not post-grunge, it's grunge.
>>64257148
Grunge isn't really a genre. It's a style. Alice in Chains were definitely grunge.
>>64256920
Nevermind was a turning point for music, but even Kurt admitted he half-assed most of the lyrics. The most prominent topic of the album was his relationship with Toby Vail.
In Utero is the only cohesive, whole and personal Nirvana record. It continues from where Nirvana was on Bleach, but with more Sonic Youth-style dissonance and added REM-style melancholic folk-rock. Lyrically, it's the band's only album which provides so much insight into Kurt's life—his tiredness of life, struggle with media's witch hunt on Courtney, relationship with his father (Serve the Servants), his dissatisfaction with his fame (All Apologies), and much more.
In Utero is the real ultimate Nirvana album. Too bad it was their last.
>>64257110
Rival Schools
MTV killed all music
>>64258480
>blame teen moms
ok republicans
People began liking Ska Punk for like 5 seconds then realized 90% of it is irredeemable trash
Then came Post Grunge, then Mall Metal.
My question is still: what will come after Mall Metal.
>>64257110
>>64257963
>Too bad it was their last
this
I'm not saying Nirvana would still be making quality music if Kurt hadn't died, but fuck, the follow up to In Utero would've been mind blowing
>Grunge
>Kurt died
>Layne became a insufferable junkie
>Pearl Jam committed commercial suicide
>Soundgarden disbanded
>>64259009
two completely different crowds
ska-punk, swing revival, folk punk, alt-country, whatever indie shit you call mumford and sons and dr.dog, emo revival, garage revival, grunge revival, alt country revival
and that's why the coffee house crowd listens to Pinegrove now
grunge, post grunge, nu-metal, hot-topic core, "prog"-metal, metal core, sunbather = mall metal
>>64259009
>My question is still: what will come after Mall Metal.
Butt Rock
because it wasn't very good and everyone knew but listened to it anyway because there was nothing in the mainstream that was any better
>>64259009
mall noise
>>64256940
Smashing Pumpkins was indie rock tho
>>64259703
lol
>>64256835
'Cause it's edgy and sometimes it can get really cringe worthy.
>>64259009
>My question is still: what will come after Mall Metal.
wtf is Mall metal?
>>64259541
That's such a shitty response
>>64259840
bands that share the same target market as hot topic
>>64259975
So... Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, etc?
>>64259181
Watch post-In Utero interview with Kurt
"We're going to revive New Wave!"
Sounds like he is eager to make new stuff, greatly enjoys music and wants to move forward
The feels…
>>64256835
Showers and bathtubs became cheaper due to industrial automatization.
>>64260055
sorry, meant "metal" bands
>>64260082
>"We're going to revive New Wave!"
He was probably being sarcastic. Their final songs were not new wave at all.
>>64260151
So.. Taproot and Slipknot?
>>64257963
How is Nevermind lyrics half-passed but In Utero wasn't? They are both equally half-assed
>>64260188
yep... coal chamber, later korn, cradle of filth...
>>64260188
avenged sevenfold, five finger deathpunch and all the shit that sounds like them
>>64259756
>not realizing wicker park chicago was the birth place of indie rock
>not realizing smashing pumpkins were one of the first of that scene to get signed
>>64260236
>>not realizing wicker park chicago was the birth place of indie rock
[citation needed]
>>not realizing smashing pumpkins were one of the first of that scene to get signed
...to a major label? That's not indie
Also
>not knowing Corgan openinly dispised indie/hipster culture because he was never a part of that scene
>not knowing Corgan blatantly sold out on Siamese Dream
>>64260236
>In your rush to pat these three pandering sluts on the heinie, you miss what has been obvious to the "bullshit" crowd all along: These are not "alternative" artists any more than their historical precursors. They are by, of and for the mainstream.
>Smashing Pumpkins are REO Speedwagon (stylistically appropriate for the current college party scene, but ultimately insignificant)
>You only think they are noteworthy now because some paid publicist has told you they are, and you, fulfilling your obligation as part of the publicity engine that drives the music industry, spurt about them on cue.
- Steve Albini
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/three-pandering-sluts-and-their-music-press-stooge/Content?oid=883689
>>64260707
>actually believing anything steve albini says
>>64260746
>Steve Albini doesn't know shit about indie!
Do you even listen to yourself?
>>64260319
didn't expect to find this, but here you go
https://thescene.com/watch/pitchfork/pitchfork-docs-yearbook-chicago-1993-alternative-and-indie-2016-03-25
>>64260707
wtf does oingo boingo have to do with any of this
>>64260236
not at all, the pumpkins were signed to a small label owned by a major label, so the band would seem to have indie cred, a common trick at that time
the first american indie bands to actually sign to a major label were the replacements and husker du and then sonic youth, REM etc
i recommend the book "our band could be your life"
>>64260791
Songs about fucking little girls?
>>64260764
never implied that
i was implying steve albini is a selfish condescending overly opinionated asshat that gets purposefully offensive and vocalises his bias when things don't go his way...
>>64260830
i meant they were signed to a major from the start (virgin)
>>64256835
>Why did Grunge die /mu/
for the same reason "emo" died and the same reason the next "suicidecore" fad will die
>>64260776
The BBC documentary 'Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie' [13] pinpoints the birth of indie as the 1977 self-publication of the Spiral Scratch EP by Manchester band Buzzcocks. Although Buzzcocks are often classified as a punk band it has been argued by the BBC and others [14] that the publication of Spiral Scratch independently of a major label led to the coining of the name 'indie' ('indie' being the shortened form of 'independent').
>>64260856
Not relevant.
I don't know. But Alice in Chains are the best grunge band. Period.
>>64259009
>My question is still: what will come after Mall Metal.
Pop punk came after mallcore
>>64260910
>indie
anon is talking about indie rock brah
>>64256835
Just today I saw a hippie teen in the city with a shirt saying, "grunge is dead".
>>64260956
In the mid-1980s, the term "indie" began to be used to describe the music produced on post-punk labels rather than the labels themselves.[1] The indie rock scene in the US was prefigured by the college rock[15] that dominated college radio playlists, which included key bands like R.E.M. from the US and The Smiths from the UK.[16] These bands rejected the dominant synthpop of the early 1980s,[17][18] and helped inspire guitar-based jangle pop; other important bands in the genre included 10,000 Maniacs and the dB's from the US, and The Housemartins and The La's from the UK. In the United States, the term was particularly associated with the abrasive, distortion-heavy sounds of the Pixies, Hüsker Dü, Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr., and The Replacements.[16]
If you think Indie Rock started in Chicago in 1988, you are an idiot.
>>64260998
>labels themselves.[1]
what is this 1?
>>64261069
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_rock
Grunge was not a thing you r/music faggots
>>64256920
this is not at all an unpopular opinion
>>64260998
1981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_and_Go_Records
>>64256940
>punk and metal are synonymous
can you please go back to r/music
>>64256950
see above (esp w this rigid genre definition shit)
>>64256978
see above, you are clueless
>>64256988
see above
god this board has gone to shit
>>64261200
Smashing Pumpkins didn't start until 7 years later. They wouldn't be a part of that scene, especially since they were playing Goth and opening for a major-label psyche-metal band
>>64260910
>implying steve albini writing about bands he used to work with for income stopped using him when they gained their own financial success isn't relevant
>>64261315
>damage control
it troubles me that there are so many people so out of touch on neo-/mu/
>>64261342
How so? Anon said SP were a part of that scene, which they were very clearly not. They were very much a second generation of DIY bands from Chicago (strike 1), who chose to commercialize very early on in their career (strike 2).
>>64261322
Show me any recordings Smashing Pumpkins recordings Albini engineered
>>64261315
chicagoan here
they were as apart of the indie rock scene at the time as any other. When they signed to a major label everyone here was pissed and felt betrayed.
>>64261441
>at the time
1981 or 1989?
>>64261477
70s 80s 90s 00s
>>64261498
Smashing Pumpkins weren't around in the 70s.
Try again.
>>64261441
this
albini was also pissed about it, hence that article.
>>64256940
Echoes of literally every major subculture are part of hipsterism. Thus, it's the most bullshit, un-original subculture that ever existed.
>>64256835
Cause Kurt killed himself. And the first person who replies to this post saying he was murdered can kurt themselves too.
>>64256940
Gish was released well before the 'hegemony of grunge radio'
And bands like Sonic Youth were releasing double albums and wearing silver pants before grunge existed while nfluencing if not outright creating it.
See also: Andrew Wood and Mother Love Bone
>>64261524
no shit
that is when i lived there
>>64261595
You must have some reading comprehension problems in your old age then.
>>64261578
Mother Love Bone and Green River were lame ass hair bands who were too poor to move to LA. Proto-grunge.. Nope.
>>64257244
it's good, but no 10/10 for me
pic related comes closer
Also, here's the undeniable 10/10 absolutely perfect grunge single:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TfIGzO-Nqc
>>64256859
/thread
>>64261619
>damage control
>>64261623
Yeah, that argument could be made for MLB, Andy Wood was huge into glam - although I'd wager more T-Rex glam than Poison glam. And it's anybody's guess whether he was aping LA or trying to stand out in Seattle (but I'd say the latter)
And since it's clear you haven't heard Green River and are just assuming since they became (sorta) MLB they share that, why don't you actually give them a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01wAC34iJ8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXpY9qsT584
>>64261498
did you mean to quote >>64261498
>>64261811
you should give lessons to this guy >>64261811
on how to quote, he doesn't know how either
>>64261866
>damage control
>>64261886
>>64261742
>>64261342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7e9Ww_wowU
>>64262008
thats not indie rock tho
>>64262046
That's OK, neither is Smashing Pumpkins.
>grunge
What a shitty catch-all phrase. People were just so jaded by a decade of terrible pop music that they didn't know what to call it when rock returned in the early 90's.
>>64262153
>What a shitty catch-all phrase.
This is true. But show me a catch all phrase that isn't, especially one that was never inteneded as one.
>People were just so jaded by a decade of terrible pop music that they didn't know what to call it when rock returned in the early 90's.
This is also true. (more like Everett True desu amirite?) But for a year or two grunge was a specific, identifiable thing. Then yeah, it became almost synonymous with 'alt-rock' and lost it's meaning
>>64256920
nevermind is dull as fuck imo
i was disappointed that teen spirit is actually the best song on the album as well as the most famous
>>64262414
It's easy to write-off some of the best guitar riffs in history when they're 25 years old. Smells Like Teen Spirit is amazing.
It's so easy to call out Nirvana as overrated, but the fact is you (myself included) weren't listening to that garbage that had been coming out in the 80's. Nirvana was a big fucking deal.
can't we all just agree the term grunge describes a culture more than a genre
much like emo, punk, or metal
they don't really describe a "sound", but more of a scene or sub-culture
>>64256835
cause mom is a bitch
>>64257288
Alice In Chains is first wave metal's logical conclusion.
>>64262474
>It's easy to write-off some of the best guitar riffs in history when they're 25 years old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT6yVgcewk4
>you (myself included) weren't listening to that garbage that had been coming out in the 80's. Nirvana was a big fucking deal.
hahaha. the 80's were the best decade in popular music, faggot
>>64256868
In other words: 1995-1997 happened. Rap became exponentially more popular after Tupac and Biggie died, as well. By 1999 it was all about Eminem, Korn, and Limp Bizkit
Because the dudes involved in the movement were all phonies.
>>64264424
>Their friends or even themselves didn't die on drugs they wrote songs about
Every music genre has its classic grace period. These things go in waves. Theres always an audience but theres people influenced by genres who go and make new ones. Its mutations causing new species. Poison 13 took blues and punk and spat out proto grunge, as did the u men. Add in black flag, classic riff rock, pop sensibilities, and just a douse of heavy metal and punk and wham bam thank ya mam you got grunge. Who knows what genres coming up next. Could be anything
>>64257110
Foo Fighters s/t
