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Fuck templates.

>Plebeian
Heaven or Las Vegas

>Contrarian
Four-Calendar Cafe

>Patrician
Victorialand
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Swap Quaristice and Confield and it's correct.
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>implying that being contrarian isn't also being patrician at the same time
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>>64063109
>not choosing this instead
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>>64063573
Returnal will never be his best no matter how hard you force it
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>>64063425
where did you obtain this rare shkreli
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>>64063573
how is liking garden of delete contrarian that shit was widely praised
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>>64063617
sometime during the shkreli shcandal

idk, you can have it
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>>64063109
>>64063573
Plebeian: Their discography.
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The truth about stripped down, acoustic Mount Eerie
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>>64063658
what's the point of having opinions about things you know nothing about

it's one guy
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>>64063406
I knew as soon as I posted it someone would say that. I also predict most people are going to agree except for Tri Repetae lovers

>>64063425
I relate to this statement, but not in all scenarios

>Plebeian
Anything post Relayer
>Contrarian
Tales from Topographic Oceans
>Patrician
Close to the Edge
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>>64063651
This post is contrarian
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I was going to make a Boris one but apparently I can't operate MSPaint, so
>plebeian: Smile
>contrarian: Heavy Rocks II
>patrician: Flood live
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>>64063693
I've listened to all of Autechre's shit, all of OPN's. I know more about it than you kid.
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>>64063658
nah
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>>64063800
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>>64063800
thread
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>all this egg music
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So this thread goes like this?
>popular, way often the actual best music
plebeian

>a runner up to the their best, still inferior to the magnum opus
contrarian

>the overlooked pretentious shit that nobody cares about
patrician
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>>64064070
Shut up nerd
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>>64063800
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>>64063831
apart from the whole not realising it was a single producer, which it blatantly is

doesn't just make someone question how much you know about OPN, it makes someone question how much you know full stop
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>>64064084
He's not far wrong t b h
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>>64063573
Mate, just because Returnal starts with a 5 minute normie filter doesn't make it patrician.
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>>64063946
agree
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>>64064128
what makes you think he didn't know it was one producer?
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>>64064178
Can enjoy both I and II?
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>>64064219
>>64063946
Pic related is their best record to be honest.
Either this or morningrise
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>>64064241
only if you want to be trapped in pleb patrician limbo forever.
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Choosing the Pleb album was pain
I haven't listened to the Splinter Cell soundtrack if that makes a difference
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>>64063234
BBK and treasure are their only good albums
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>>64063234
>>64064475
Why does nobody like Garlands?
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>plebian
ok computer
>contrarian
amnesiac
>patrician
kid a
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This is objective btw
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>>64064559
or...you know, just put them all in patrician including their collaboration with Slapp Happy
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>>64064576

Nah In Praise is the most patrician album of them all
I mean they're all great albums but In Praise beats the rest by a fucking mile

Desperate Straights is basically a Slapp Happy album so I didn't include it
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Ok now the shitstorm can begin
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>>64064768
oh yeah way to spread the albums out, i can totally see them
fuck you faggot you're worse than xusosis
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>>64064780
If you knew jack shit about Crimson you'd be able to recognize the edges of the covers
Good job you included unrelated tripdrama into your post
Take your salty shit elsewhere, this is for music discussion only
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>>64064799
alright let's make this music
you have shit taste fuck off
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>>64064815
That's not really discussion either
It's just a tasteless ad hominem statement that means nothing
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>>64064768
you got Red right, that's all i care about.
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>>64064494

Garlands is great, it's my third favorite of theirs actually. It's the closest thing to The Cure's Pornography I've heard that isn't Pornography.
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>>64064836
Ayy my man
Red is their best album, no way it could be anything other than patrician
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>>64064410
this post inspired me to go through his discog again

theres a whole other nujazz album he made other than bricolage i havent listened to im hype
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>>64064070
That pretty much sums up /mu/
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>>64065915
Then leave
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>>64063109
Spot on if you swap Confield and Quaristice
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>>64064768
in the wake of poseidon and lizard are great though...
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>>64064768
I agree but only because you listed my favorite albums as patrician :^)
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>>64063946
Pretty accurate
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>>64066106
lol
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>>64065985
ITWOP is a bad ITCOTCK copy with a garbage tier second half and Lizard is so bad even Fripp has disowned it.
>>64066004
Octopus is a solid album, fuck you
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>>64066534
It is a good album, but its not their best, despite being the most popular.

Actually I should probably put either Giant for a Day! or Civilian under contrarian because theres no way anyone with taste likes those the best.
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>>64064070
>no treasure
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>>64066534
itwop is better than itcotck in every way
fripp has bad taste i guess
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>>64066534
>ITWOP is a bad ITCOTCK copy with a garbage tier second half
can confirm, re listened to it today
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>>64064178
wrong.

1 is patrician (because 2 and 3 cancel it out), 2 is plebeian (because it's popular), and 3 is contrarian because it fucking flat out sucks fucking dick (which is why Alice left right after).
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>>64066091
Literally all of these are in the wrong slot.
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>>64066877
> 2 is plebeian (because it's popular)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpA0rNZRHDE
>2 million views
>uploaded 2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Msexb67Pc
>100k views
>uploaded 3 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efUTLsQ0w5c
>200 views
>uploaded 2 years ago

your argument seems a little off
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>>64064178
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Most Popular | Least Popular | Second Most Popular
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>>64066970
>the only way kids listen to music nowadays is youtube because they can't actually pay for it

plus if you were here when it was released, everyone was acting like it was the 2nd coming of christ
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>>64066989
>uses a trip
>thinks DSotM is the best floyd album
>thinks ITWOP is great
i discarded your opinion a long time ago
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>>64067026
that's probably for the best. i mean, you actually like crystal castles. if you listen to me you might catch a case of good taste (can be deadly to plebs)

in all seriousness though, what's your favorite pink floyd album?
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>>64067019
obviously preceding albums will chart better than their debut album, this does not mean that they are more popular overall, just that they were better known at the time.
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>>64066877
Lol not knowing what contrarian means
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tough to pick just 3
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>>64067058
animals, i prefer the prog over psychedelic rock, it also felt more cohesive imo.
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>>64067071
you literally have no understanding of context

jump off a bridge. a historic one.
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>>64067088
fair enough, anon. that's a good one too—and very fun!
i just can't bring myself to hold any pf album over dsotm due to the sheer beauty of most of the songs, even if it also has a couple duds.
take care!
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>>64067063
everyone knows CC from II (popularity wise). you really can't argue this.

you can't go off YT views alone
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>>64064768
>he forgot starless & bible black
way to reveal yourself as a plebe :^)
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>>64067169
it's behind Red you autist
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>>64064768
>Islands
>Plebian

how foolish
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>>64066004
>Patrician
>Not Playing the Fool

disappointeds
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>>64066589
Fair enough
>>64066848
God damm you're delusional
ITWOP is ITCOTCK but way way worse.
You are the definition of tripfag cancer.

>>64067169
Behind Red
It's a bit difficult to see but it's still there

>>64067744
Plebeian =/= bad
Plebeian = accessible

I think ITCOTCK is a 10/10 but it's still admittedly a pleb KC album
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>>64067804
"ok"
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>>64067851
Just saying but there's a reason why Fripp gave ITCOTCK, LTIA, SaBB and Red 20 CD box sets for the reissuing and not ITWOP and Lizard

Take your garbage contrarian opinions elsewhere
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>>64063946
> Still life
> Not Morningrise or Ghost Reveries
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>>64067868
>"ok"
"ok"
reiterating
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>>64063573

>Plebeian
Replica

>Contrarian
Returnal

>Patrician
R Plus Seven

fixed it for you
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>>64067909
more like:
>patrician
eccojams
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>>64064559
Why is Legend plebian and IPOL patrician? they're both equally "accessible"
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>>64068009
Legend and IPOL are both equally great albums but the jazzier Canterbury style on Legend makes it more accessible to people already familiar with proge rock. IPOL is completely unlike anything else in the genre
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you know its true
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>>64068021
Your post made me go listen to IPOL again, it's so fucking good, not big on prog though any similar recs?
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>>64064565
There are so many wrong things here i can't even-
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>>64068084
this makes no sens
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>>64068078
Like I said, nothing else sounded like it at the time and nothing else really does right now.

The best you can do is listen to live recordings from that period (the album "Concerts" is particularly great, if I'm not wrong Chris Cutler's label Recommended Records recently released a rather expansive boxset of live recordings too so try that out) and try out some artists who have tried something similar. The only two I can think of now are

Guapo - Elixirs
and
uneXpect - In a Flesh Aquarium (IPOL gone metal basically)
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>>64064565
how is liking critically praised albums contrarian?
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>>64068135
thanks senpai
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>>64063658
>autechre
>plebeian

You are the number one plebeian right now on this board just for the bait.
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>>64064565
i love most of that music LOL
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>>64068020
Obejctive
>>64068758
LOL!
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/tv/ crossover edition
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>>64063109
Reverse contrarian and patrician and it'll be far more accurate
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>>64064410
Pretty accurate, although Isam is my personal favourite. Also i have a hard time saying anything hes done as "pleb". Only really in related to his other work.
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>>64063573
>Plebeian
R+7
>Contrarian
Returnal
>Patrician
Replica
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>>64068948
Patrician: The Test Dream
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>Pleb
Zomby - Where Were u in 92'?
>Contrarian
Glowstyx - Class of '92
>Patrician
Kid 606 - Kill Sound Before Sound Kills You

I love them all btw
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>>64066106
nais one eksdee
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>>64066064
>>64066106
>>64068084

b8
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>>64063109
I don't understand what any of these words mean.
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>>64064103
using RYM is one of the only things worse than using pitchfork
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>>64063668
Lost Wisdom is plebeian as fuck, Dawn is patrician and No Flashlight is contrarian
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>plebeian
mallsoft
>contrarian
hardvapour
>patrician
futurefunk
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>>64071715
I was about to tell that guy that nobody should use rym reviews, but you're wrong, rym still manages to not be as shit as pitchfork
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>>64066914
yep
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>>64063234
four calendar cafe is their best album by far dont be dumb
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>>64063651
this
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>>64068084
do you even know what "contrarian" means?
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>>64072240
i don't understand what any of these words mean, or how this game works.
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>>64068886
idiot
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>>64068758
L O L
O
L
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>>64063946
Most accurate in this thread.
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>>64064244
I agree t b h
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>>64068758
nice post Laugh Out Loud!
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>plebeian: unknown pleasures
>contrarian: still
>patrician: closer
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>>64071695
Why the fuck would you prefer anything but the pleb one?
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>>64073263
T H I S

Has a more correct post ever been made?
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>>64068084
Wew lad
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>>64073314
This one!
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>>64063234
>implying Blue Bell Knoll isn't their best
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>>64064565
You're Living All Over Me is a masterpiece and you know it. Bug would be the contrarian's album.
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>>64063723
>I knew as soon as I posted it someone would say that. I also predict most people are going to agree except for Tri Repetae lovers

Because Quaristice is obviously one of their least appreciated records. Calling it the patrician choice is almost by definition contrarian. Don't get me wrong I love it though.
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>>64067084
It's even tougher when you use up some positions for shit, pop-era Yes

Plebeian: Fragile
Contrarian: Tales From The Topographic Oceans
Patrician: Close to the Edge
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>>64073516
agree
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>>64074069
That's pretty accurate although Relayer is pretty patrician too so I'd tack that on the end of Close to the Edge
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>>64064768
I'm gonna have to say that pretty much all of their albums are patrician
The less quality ones are also incredibly inaccessible
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>>64074209
>thinks inaccessible=patrician
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>>64074209
While this is true to a certain extent we're grading according to the artist's own standards. Not to an overall objective look
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>>64063493
Eh. Didn't break any new ground desu, sounded like a self-indulgent revisiting of older ideas. Theme of Sudden Roundabout sounds really basic and Xylin Room, V-Proc and IV VV IV VV VIII are pretty much just paint-by-numbers Autechre cliches, albeit with great sound design.

However, Surripere is an absolute banger, constantly off-center but also constantly focused.

6/10
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>>64073516
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>>64074289
>implying Bloom isn't the most pleb
>implying Devotion is contrarian
>implying Depression Cherry, Devotion, or Teen Dream aren't patrician
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>>64074289
youve got it totally ass backwards
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>>64074394
>Depression Cherry
>patrician
DC is the most normie, entry level dream pop I've ever heard
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>>64074615
You haven't heard Bloom then. Sparks and Days of Candy are way more interesting than anything on Bloom.
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>>64063109
>Plebeian
Tri Repetae, LP5, Amber, Exai
>Contrarian
Draft 7.30, Quaristice, Untilted
>Patrician
Incunabula, Confield, Chiastic Slide, Oversteps, AE_Live
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>>64063109
>plebian
Most popular album
>contrarian
3rd most popular album
>patrician
2nd most popular album
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>>64063573
guess im contrarian my dude
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Just to post my opinion on Autechre.
"Plebeian, Contrarian and Patrician" related to Tri Repetae, Confield and Quaristice, probably works for those who did not follow Autechre since their beginnings.
At Quaristice, they had already begun being boring for many of the early fans.
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>>64067150
What artist?
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>>64076260
What does it meme?
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>>64076163
maybe they weren't really good fans then tbqh
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>>64076169
Albur!
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>pleb
The Mollusk
Chocolate and Cheese
White Pepper
>Contrarian
La Cucaracha
12GCG
Quebec
>Patrician
The Pod
Pure Guava
God Ween Satan
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>>64074325
Literally Scaruffi
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>>64076057
Spirit They're Gone, Spirit They've Vanished is their best work though
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>>64079294
This
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>>64063668

Dawn is god tier, anon
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>>64079849
except a large number of people agree that notm is at least one of their top albums if not their best
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