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Last: >>63881468
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First for fun
>>63886905
Have you heard the obvious recs?
Cattle Decapitation
Dying Fetus
Napalm Death
>>63886938
this album is legit, dave sabo and scotti hill are fantastic guitars FIGHT ME
>>63886905
should get you started
>>63887020
you're right, absolutely solid heavy/glam metal album and bach's singing on this one is incredible
I got a curious fascination for more hair-esque metal like skid row
ESSENTIAL TOOTCORE:
Batooty - Fanfare
Behemoth - Toot your Trumpet, Gabriel
Summoning - Tootwelll
Inquisition - Inversion of Ethereal Toot Stars
what else ?
>>63886984
these guys are a fucking blast to drink with
If that doom requester from last thread is still here my highest recommendation goes to Indian, got that blackened touch
>>63887020
hair/glam metal had the best guitars of any mainstream metal period. The bar was set incredibly high, Winger were basically a Glam metal Dream Theater. My favorite is Nuno Bettencourt but I always thought Extreme were unfairly lumped into the hair/glam scene because of their looks and More than Words. They had a sound that was dirty and funky and heavy and unlike anything else around.
>>63887065
Litootgy - The Ark Work
>>63887065
!T.O.O.T.!
>>63887065
not gonna lie boys these memes are starting to smell a bit reddit
>tfw proge now samples internet memes
When will this end?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjjmM3w2t_g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hfYhTRBC0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJX8TFRyijw
>>63887154
>>63887210
this post is one hundred percent pure upvote bait
>>63887180
never
this will never end
>>63887242
Yeah. But that's kinda what he's saying.
Help please, I have tried the death metal recs chart, but most if not all of it sounds so fucking cheesy it physically pains me.
I am not saying it's bad, I just dislike it. So please rec some non-burp-vocal-80s-riff death metal.
>>63887275
>recommend me death metal that is not death metal
Anon...
>>63887275
What do you mean by "cheesy"? Figure that out, and then ask for help.
>>63887275
>cheesy
anyone remember that guy with the weird definition of cheezy
Is danger-music metal?
>>63886984
desu halestorm is a trash band but i'd rail the lead singer
>tfw high school crush was the flyleaf singer
>>63887327
fuck off false hipster
don't bring your gay this exists shit here again
>>63887275
do you not like metal or something?
>>63887327
>halestorm
>alestorm
>>63887275
Later Death is basically the only think I can think of. Symbolic and stuff.
>>63887275
>what makes it sound cheesy that you don't like
>what parts do you enjoy enough to keep trying
>what bands sound good/bad to you
need something to zero in on here lad
Thoughts?
couple months ago this place was overrun with corefags and slam kids.
Did it change?
>>63887275
Bölzer maybe?
>>63887385
no
that was a meme
its a passing fad
>>63887385
>>63887382
Go back to RYM, dmshareguy.
>>63887385
>not bouncing to the thinking man's metal
do you even own any hats lmao
>tfw listening to gg allin for the first time
how can one man be so punk
>>63887378
Shit sorry for not being clear enough.
I enjoy black metal because I am faggot trash, so I can deal with screams, but I dislike the Nespithe type vocals which seems to pervade the genre along with very thrash metal riffs.
I might just not be able to get into because I have shitty taste, but I am willing to try some shit.
>>63887407
why does the pterodactyl not have a hat
>>63887327
>tfw the idea of railing the dreadlocked ginger Scottish manlet from Alestorm
>>63887434
because of biological differences in genetics.
>>63887180
dude gross. 8:50 of that 3rd link reminds me of this all-mormon-dads prog bar band I suffered through once...
have some immortal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYK_PJ2OyQM
>>63887466
gross desu
Fun fact: every single mother in her 30s i've fucked has liked this band [spoiler]including my mom[/spoiler]
>>63887433
so you just don't like metal
listen to sunbather
>>63887180
Hey, the first song is actually pretty good, not cringe at all
>>63887433
If you can't enjoy what makes death metal good you should probably reconsider listening to DM. Unless you want to risk listening to pretentious hipster garbage like Portal or Ulcerate.
>>63887518
post your mom
>>63887433
well assuming you don't just want blackened dm with the vocals you're used to:
Immolation: smooth, non- breathy atmospheric growls where you can hear the lyrics bretty well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp4t1NdfmDQ&nohtml5=False
or Pestilence: higher pitched unhinged VAN DRUNEN vocals that might sit better with your bm tastes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQc4ZKH185E&nohtml5=False
plus whatever falls within that range
>>63887567
>pretentious hipster garbage like Portal or Ulcerate.
nice to see this general finally showing good taste
atmodeath caverncore dissoshit garbage
>>63887662
/metal/ has always hated those bands though. Only FIFH defended that bullshit trendy hipster crap.
Who /redneck/ here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmIkdO4s0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnEoBJML9iQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvw8WXLaYEw
>tfw wearing my confederate flag trucker hat and my trump shirt around campus
>tfw I drive a '88 Bronco made with at least 30% junk yard parts and the back glass is a trash bag
>tfw drinking whiskey every god damn night, carry a flask around
Feels good.
>>63887662
Portal catches too much shit for being caverncore, they have a pretty definite atmosphere that's nice when you're in the mood. I wouldn't listen to it all day but I don't lump them in with pure widdly atmoshit
>>63887567
>>63887662
>>63887687
Those bands are better than tech death wankery like Cthelist, wormed and Ad Anuseam that constantyl gets circlejerked over here
>>63887587
Thanks for the recs, Immolation is pretty good, and Pestilence is even better.
>>63887709
You're still a loser.
>>63887180
Those are truly terrible, but what's the meme of the last song?
>>63887550
Ew, gross. Learn to write a fucking riff. What is 5 minutes of palm-muted open strumming?
>>63887732
t. yankee cuck
>>63887709
Yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVfL3FLgL10&nohtml5=Wall
>>63887709
>Romanticizing the lifestyle of the impoverished and uneducated to be edgy and offend people
Into the gulags it goes
>>63887720
Ad Nauseam is literally the only good thing to happen to dissoshit since Written in Waters. Get some fucking taste, you troglodyte. Learn to appreciate actually good music.
>implying ulcerate or portal is good
>ever
just get the fuck out.
>>63887757
nice meme kid
>>63887771
atleast they were free you cuck
>>63887721
if you like them I've gotta shill for this, my fav band of the last decade or so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQc4ZKH185E&nohtml5=False
>>63887737
>what's the meme of the last song?
The whole middle section
>>63887792
You're that guy who posted the cringey fake story about going around in a truck blasting Down during a flood, aren't you?
>>63887774
Hahahaha you are actually serious lmao
Ad Memeseam was shitty fotm meme death that everyone forgot about
>>63887792
>five of them were free to sit around sucking mint juleps while their white indentured servants lived like servile rats, let alone the actual slaves
golden age of freedom
>>63887774
>WIW
>good
no wonder you like dissoshit
you're a hipster faggot
I bet you like Liturgy. which is the VBE of our time
>>63887774
Written in Waters is overrated crap
>>63887433
Bruh nespithe have some of the weirdest/unique vocals out there. There is absolutely no way those vocals 'pervade the genre' unless you listened to bands that specifically copy nespinthe.
>>63887382
Clean vocals are fucking horrible, back-up chorus is fucking horrible, riffs are boring, production sounds like The Contortionist but faker.
It's the kind of music that sounds great for about a week, and then there's nothing backing it up. it's lacking in all substance and depth.
I'm reminded of The Human Abstract: my first listen wasn't too bad. I enjoyed it. But I could barely take a second, and a week later, the third listen physically hurt me, because it was so sugary and lacking in substance.
>>63887774
Chthe'ilist is shit but it's better than Ad Nausmeme. What a fucking hipster shit of an album.
![tumblr_lmmy9y3h481ql1yl0o1_400[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HnEa189.jpg "tumblr_lmmy9y3h481ql1yl0o1_400[1].jpg")
Share more sorrowful dirges like this masterpiece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD5IA_ZnroA&nohtml5=False
>>63887843
>>63887858
>>63887870
>caverncore defenders getting this mad at being told the truth
Don't you have some Impetuous Ritual album to jerk off to? Your ears have been so muddled with brown noise that you can't distinguish actual proper songwriting nd composition when it laps you in the face with its duck.
>>63887870
it was a dry run for Virus. you like Virus don't you anon?
>/metal/ - if it's experimental and weird, it's bad
autism
i've been listening to Rust in Peace and i'm really into it, which Megadeth album should i listen to next?
>>63887876
I mainly meant """very""" growly vocals that are a bit much, I agree that I used a shit example though.
>>63887914
>caverncore
the fuck are you talking about? My post doesn't mention caverncore at all. Projecting much?
>>63887808
Maybe I'm too out of the loop, but it just feels like shitty Dream Theater worship.
Oh duh. Dream Theater was all about this kind of shit. Christ, I'm thick.
>>63887928
The most notable experimental weird metal band in recent times is Liturgy, and they are autistic as fuck.
>>63887928
experimental and weird is great, bandwaggoning off genuine weird bands and expecting everyone to go 'lmao so innovative' for hipster points is AIDS
>>63887928
>/metal/ - if it's anything more exciting than open chord, palm-muted djent masturbation, it's bad
fuck off
>>63887928
>brown noise
>watering X down with atmowank
>let's cover up our lack of compositional skill as 'dissonance', it's genius!
>experimental
hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahhaha
>>63887928
it's funny too, because at one point in time, when metal came into being, it was experimental and weird
guess that is allowed to happen only once :-(
give it a few generations, eventually their ears will adjust
>>63887914
None of those posts mention caverncore you faggot
>>63887914
literally no one mentioned caverncore you fucking ape
>>63887994
Sabbath was just heavier, not experimental
>>63887994
literally punching the pond and calling it bait
>>63887930
Super Collider
>>63887928
haha yea just recording a bunch of noise brushing against a wall is so innovative lol who else here loves noise music?
>>63888047
This.
Fucking GOAT album.
I need meal to sate my war-boner. Like lyrics that are literally just describing historical military actions. Any recs? My preference is osdm like Bolt Thrower, Asphyx and so on
>>63888026
It makes me sad to think of all metal as merely shitty Led Zeppelin, but so it goes.
>>63888081
SABATON
>>63888121
Hey, you can't mess with the greats.
>>63888081
S A B A T O N
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>>63887041
Is there any distinct stylistic differences between goregrind and porngrind and standard grind or is it just lyrical themes?
>>63888081
bruv just listen to actual war metal. this shit is thesoundtrack to a post apocalyptic raping and pillaging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm84l1PsgJA
>>63888081
i think the fags over at Iced Earth kinda do this, a warning, what I've heard from them sucks
>>63888135
>>63888149
Sabaton is bretty gud but too shiny and glorious for my tastes. I like it futile and depressing.
>>63886208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVD7Z9EHfGY
>>63887771
Hi DMsharecuck!
>>63888190
The Glorious Burden is literally only real-life war songs. Sadly, it's still Iced Earth, so it's mediocre power metal.
>>63887979
>>63887981
>>63887988
>>63887991
>>63888054
>music has to have a convension song structure composition techniques to be good
you guys are really boring jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h_TyVPtPYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-oyhjDHB7A
Who made the meme that a song has to be difficult to write to be good? Do you guys just listen to power metal or something? Like I can't imagine being so boring that if something isn't technical you can't enjoy it. That just closes so many doors that don't need to be closed.
>>63888166
I like war metal but it's generally too 'bleeaaagh nuclear fuckhole partytime bulletbelts' for me. I like stuff you could play over a documentary if that makes any sense
>>63887327
Halestorm and Alestorm are two different bands
just retracted my foreskin for the first time, metal for this feel?
>>63888081
Arghoslent
>>63888081
What was that metal band that made album about nuclear warfare?
>>63888225
1. What the fuck are you talking about, my post has nothing to do with what you're saying
2. Those bands are garbage
3. You're a faggot
what's the techiest wankiest song you got
i need a laugh
>>63888225
gr8 b8 m8
>>63888081
just before dawn
>>63888081
This is a pretty good album with strong war theme
Warning: it's proge
>>63888300
>those colonial feels
>>63888225
No one said anything about "technicality" (though I did bitch about chugging). The complaint is shitty song writing.
Your links suck ass.
>>63888305
>>63888341
>>63888363
How is this bait? I'm making a larger point on not understanding why experimentation in metal is not allowed. Why do bands have to do the same shit over and over again? Why can't they do whatever the fuck they want as long as it sounds good?
>links suck ass
>yeah I listened to around an hours worth of music in 30 seconds totally
>>63888081
bolt thrower
>>63887771
are you asking to be thrashed son
>>63888081
>>63888348
It's about modern war though
>>63888218
i don't know who suck more, IE or Grave Digger
>>63888393
You're making an excellent point on why experimentation in metal is not allowed, because those bands are trash. We know that, because we've heard of them before, listened before, and realized they were trash.
You're bait because you're linking peope who aren't talking about what you're talking about and provoking them into discussion
>>63888393
>Why can't they do whatever the fuck they want as long as it sounds good?
>links suck ass
Get it now?
>>63888348
I generally don't have much patience for this stuff but this album is hitting the spot so far, cheers m80
>>63888399
bolt what? who?
>>63888393 asked for a (You)?
>>63888393
Experimentation can be great, but most people who make experimental metal aren't trained in composition enough to know how to do it well. So the experimental metal ends up being metal with odd thigns tacked on, or albums that are nothing but noise, or albums that are too long because the band doesn't know when enough is enough.
is this doom sludge
![Bolt Thrower - 1989 - Realm Of Chaos[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9KmN9wy.jpg "Bolt Thrower - 1989 - Realm Of Chaos[1].jpg")
>>63888488
BOLT
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I HAVEN'T BEEN ON /MEAL/ FOR 6 MONTHS, WHAT NEW MEMES HAVE I MISSED AND WHAT GOOD ALBUMS HAVE COME OUT/ARE COMING OUT THIS YEAR?
give me (You)s
>>63888534
IN WHITE-CROSSED ACRES
>>63888531
kinda
noise sludge or something
>>63888393
No one is saying what you've posted or what has been posted isn't metal. We're not metal archives.
They've said it's not good.
I'm still listening to Goatpsalm, and I have yet to hear any good metal.
>>63888408
>>63888551 got it
>>63888549
I'm seeing Slavoj all over 4chan lately
>>63888531
heh
i remember morphing all those mealfags into indie fuccbois, all them years ago, with S W A N S
'course they warn't called fuccbois in them days but that's the word for it, ayup
reckon it's time for the next batch of 'em y'hear?
>>63888460
I'm linking everyone who responded negatively because I'm not directly responding to them, I'm responding to the general sentiment that /metal/ hates experimentation for absolutely no reason. That's all.
>>63888486
You aren't even telling me why they suck ass, let alone prove you even listened to them.
Please someone tell me why bands aren't allowed to experiment, that's all I want, because it's boggling my mind.
>>63888526
Then show me good experimental metal, because any time anyone posts an album that's slightly weird, people immediately shit on it every time, while people will post the blandest, most boring shit like Moonsorrow and they love it somehow, even though it's completely devoid of any interesting content.
>>63888568
>good metal
it's not about the "metal", it's fucking funeral doom infused with siberain folk music, the atmosphere is incredible. If you're looking for riffs then you're listening to the wrong thing.
>>63888559
hmm
>>63888586
>tfw he's slowly getting redpilled and all his drones are hating it
>>63888603
yah, i reckon'at's about right there
>all the speed I find on Bandcamp and shit is black/death influenced
Fucking stop it
I just want some damn speed metal
>>63888081
Sodom it's pretty cool, and their early albums are pretty brutal.
>>63888658
do you want turbo metal?
>>63888658
Is speed metal even a thing? What's the difference between speed, power and thrash?
>>63888670
Sure
Just something with melody and FAST
>>63888632
Because he doesn't like PC culture?
>>63887930
Peace Sells. Best album imo
Is Profound Lore the best metal label in existence?
>>63888690
well power is basically we wus kings and wizards and fought dragons, but in a good way
>>63888613
They suck as because isn't actually that much experimentation there. Shit like that has been done before by non-metal bands and done better. So right out of the gate, that's not experimenting, that's just doing what someone else did because it worked there.
Then they do it badly. Goatpsalm in paticular just sounds like they are trying to be as spoopy as possible with no actual idea how. And Efferat is just boring noisy shit. I've heard shit like this before. These aren't even experimental bands, which is another reason why people are suspecting you of being bait.
>>63888632
I'd hardly call his stance on the migrants "le redpill"
>>63888705
His criticism of political correctness are from the left too. /pol/fags are just trying to steal him for some reason.
>>63888743
>not hydra head
>>63888658
Fuck speed
Listen to thrash
>>63888759
yeah, not hydra head
>>63888690
Speed metal is faster than Heavy, softer than Thrash, but lacing the cornyness of Power.
>>63888613
Maudlin of the well, Arcturus, Deathspell Omega, TOOH, Ne Obliviscaris, and Stargazer are all bands that do weird shit and almost always get positive responses in /metal/.
Also don't worry I hate atmoshit forestrock too.
>>63888776
ok just wanted to be clear
>>63888795
>DsO
>positive response
have you not been here in awhile
>>63887771
>tfw grew up poor and in the south
Also
>in town for two weeks
>Ask my little brother (15) if he wants to go to a civil war reinactment
>He goes on a long rant about how I'm a racist and the south is evil
>my dad's face when
>>63888791
Beautiful.
>>63888743
well they've got maoty atm - this is a leap beyond their previous (okay) albums
it fucking sucks that pitchfork gave it a good review because it ensures nobody will give this the time of day, but whatever
>>63888705
he got in a huge barney over the migrant crisis recently, basically he dared to suggest Europoors might have a legitimate reason to be shitting it and a bunch of people tried tearing him down for being 'muh primitive nazi reactionary'. I don't have the links to hand but 'zizek migrant crisis' should get you there. Hilarious example of what happens when a commie who still acknowledges reality fights with true believers.
>>63888690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5bia7AA-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzPPQcdS2LY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W4ba9GhIQw
>>63888839
Cobalt was never good and is cuck SJW-fagcore now
>>63888745
>people have infused siberian folk music with funeral doom before
>people have infused tibetan ritual music with drone metal and atmospheric black metal before
do you just like, hear general noisy atmosphere and think it's something you've heard before? Like are you actually not listening? Do you think every ambient album sounds the same? Are you that guy who needs melody to actually like anything? Please post something experimental if you think what I posted wasn't. I'll admit, mine wasn't mindbogglingly experimental, but I know if I posted anything that had dissonance in it people would flame the fuck out of me so I played it safe.
Please post something that you think is good that's experimental.
>>63888795
holy shit no fucking wonder NONE of those are experimental at all except TOOH and maybe Stargazer.
>maudlin
>literally let's just throw every idea possible out there and hope it sticks
>that's experimental
>arcturus
>actual fucking circuscore, basically the dream theater of avant-garde metal
>DSO
>received well
>Ne Obliv
>remotely close to experimental in the slightest
what are you actually smoking, have you listened to anything experimental in your entire life time or do you only listen to metal?
>>63888867
Hi /v/.
>>63888889
Hi r/metal
>>63887020
>>63887056
Slave to the Grind is better, but only just.
>>63888756
>I'd hardly call his stance on the migrants "le redpill"
it's shorthand buddy
>muh heuristics
>>63888867
how
>>63888875
People have done folk with funeral doom and folk with drone, of various gimmicky ethnicity and shit, and hell, once Sepultura mixed tribal Brazilian music with groove/nu metal. How is what you posted on the edge of experimental avant-garde?
>post something that you think is good that's experimental
I'm sensing there's a crucial part of this you're not getting.
Has Matt Pike fixed his teeth yet
>>63888964
Wunder got rid of Phil for making some homophobic statement, and then Pitchfork and metalcucks applaud him, now the album is out and Pitchfork calls it there best ever, when it's no longer got a hint of black metal or aggression and is just rehashing the same progressive tropes they had before while making them more accessible. Relative to their earlier sound.
>>63888743
No Earache and Season of Mist are
so who wants some halftempo deathinformed murdercore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24J5zejKXkk&nohtml5=False
don't spread it around too much
>>63888875
>literally let's just throw every idea possible out there and hope it sticks
That's literally what experimentation is you angry individual.
>>63889002
his teeth are perfect
>>63888690
power is basically heavy metal with soaring high vocals, heavier than normal riffs, with typically virtuoso performers. See Jag Panzer, Omen, Dio, Crimson Glory, Fates Warning. The European bands typically were both power and speed metal at the same time.
Speed metal is the generic british influenced heavy metal with faster guitar playing, and drumming than typical. See Abatoir, ADX, Exciter, Acid, Running Wild, Warrant, Iron Angel, Lucifer's Heritage, Avenger, Raven, etc.
Thrash is heavy metal with stronger punk rock attitude, and song writing. The big 4, Exodus, Testament, Sodom, Venom, Warfare, Razor, Dark Angel, Death Angel, D.R.I., Overkill, Whiplash, Nuclear Assault.
There is lots of room for crossover, as these kinds were very popular and the conventional sounds of the early-mid 80s heavy metal bands.
>>63888969
>generalizing that hard
I guess if a band used an A minor chord then any other band that uses A minor is just doing the same shit right :^)
And it doesn't have to literally never done before (though those specific combinations probably haven't been) to be experimental, literally no one thinks that. But fine, if you want really weird shit, here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4GrhUnaOWA
but of course, people are gonna call it dissoshit and tryhard, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering.
>>63889102
Yeah man, that's what Schoenberg did, he just randomly threw lots of ideas together and made a song out of it, totally. Stravinsky changed the face of music 3 times because he was just messing around and doing random shit like putting every possible progressive sounding instrument into one album, that's it :^). People who experiment don't think, they just do whatever, totally.
>>63889146
>Thrash
>metal with stronger punk rock attitude, and song writing
>implying hardcore influenced thrash
Should I go see Sunn 0))) guys?
post horribly underrated bands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVuH4tRz3Pg&nohtml5=False
BETWEEN THE HEAD AND TAIL
A SIMPLE INTESTINE
THEY WRIGGLE THROUGH ROT
SECRETING, DIGESTING
>>63889196
>implying hardcore didn't influence thrash
>>63888865
Dude, Blood Money rules.
>>63889185
First of all, scaruffiposter detected
second, that's just a blackened version of the Dead C
which is kinda experimental, I guess. If we're okay wiht just doing what another person did slightly differently
but it's basically not metal at this point
>>63889196
>implying hardcore influenced thrash
This has to be bait
>>63889213
why wouldn't you? the whole point is their live sound. you'll like it or not
>>63889226
That's a fact, jack. Show me how hardcore influenced thrash. Prove it.
>>63889259
>This has to be bait
It's a meme.
>>63889017
black is the most beaten to death metal trope in existence and especially now and frankly it isn't even aggressive, it's the most emo form of metal
this album has aggression, it's just timed. there's more to music than 100% brutality all the time
and whatever 'progressive tropes' they had before are actually effective now. it's the difference between toying with an idea (then) and building with an idea (now)
>>63889259
>not knowing week old memes
>>63889045
Because?
>>63889295
>beaten to death metal
first, thank you for writing that gem
second, no, this is much less aggressive than earlier work and only about as progressive. They've moved into a slightly different genre admittedly, but not much enhancment of actual progressive songwriting
>>63889185
Gnaw Their Tongues has a better, more experimental style of blacknoise faggot
>>63889244
>scaruffiposter detected
scaruffi is a harck, fuck off
>blackened version of the dead c
do you not get that everything is a __ of __? NOTHING is 100% original. In fact it's not possible to make music that is 100%. You are ALWAYS borrowing from someone. That's how genres evolve. You don't just out of the blue think of a totally original idea completely unrelated to anything that's ever been made and tada, it's experimental. No, you borrow from different influences, creating something that is your own, however not 100% original. It's how absolutely any creative process works. Everyone has to learn from someone. Shit doesn't appear from thin air. And you still haven't shown what you think is experimental, unless you just think metal shouldn't be experimental, in which case you're just ignorant.
As an aside, I think caverncore is cancer too, not because it's inherently bad music, but because EVERYONE is doing it, and it's suffocating any sort of variety in both the death and black metal genres. Most of it sounds the same and it's annoying as fuck to review. But I don't think you can just call portal hipster shit because they tried something new.
>inb4 "but they're just a __ of __" or something other indication that they aren't 100% original
see my previous point
has it been long enough since Macabre got maymayed to post them seriously yet? Because this song fucking goes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcYOwUOjIL8&nohtml5=False
>>63889408
And you've just written a pasta-worthy response. I want you to take a second, calm your tits, and try to flush the autism out of your system because wew lad. The try and write this again without so much pastautism
>>63889185
Well there's your problem bucko, you think the retards who like metal are smart enough to think on the same level as classical composers. That link you posted isn't anything groundbreaking at all, especially when put in the same post as schoenberg and stravinsky. The first few minutes sounds like the beginning to a 90s death metal album before the actual music starts.
As if the first 45 seconds of
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mEH4ZTdE34
were made into an album.
But before you get your panties in a bunch, that album does sound pretty fun. But fun, not profound.
>2016
>still having right wing views when the majority of metal aside from niche shitty genres like NSBM and bands like Pantera are exclusively left wing
>>63889450
>literally begging for (you)s
settle down m80 what's troubling you?
So, i've been into BM since i was like 14 or so.. anyway, it's been around 10 years, aaaand i've never liked Dimmu Borgir, but i was bored today at work, and a guy walked into the store i work at wearing a Dimmu Borgir tee, so i thought "Hey, let's give it another chance because why the fuck not". So far, the only half-decent (not even good IMO) album, it's For All Tid, the first one (i think). So, does it get any better? Is there any album i should listen that's definitely gonna get me into Dimmu Borgir? I mean, so far i don't like it but still it's a big band, and Hellhammer played with them...
>Pic so i don't get ignored
>>63889408
Well there's doing a different version of someone else's shit and then there's really experimenting. And nothing you've posted so far is really experimental. Sure there's always influenced but experimentation, and avant-garde, comes from trying to break out of genre conventions and influence to something new. So what you're posting is only a little experimental.
>>63889450
Metal is inherently libertarian if anything.
>more government regulation, social justice and welfare is totally metal
As if.
>>63889502
No but
>equality, progress, and openmindedness
are metal
>>63889502
i don't think you understand politics
>>63889502
>decades of music about how people are scum and can't be trusted to think for themselves
I'm no naziboo but I see where this is going
so what's the metal version of faust while we're on this topic of experimental shit
>>63889450
>>63889551
http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Faust/118
>>63889502
the vast majority of heavy music is counter-cultural in the sense that most of it is either anti-capitalist and/or anti-state. the mere act of creating music that isn't mainstream or profitable is counter-cultural and 'left-wing' in some sense.
>>63889576
yeah ha ha i guess
>>63889597
>the mere act of creating music that isn't mainstream or profitable is counter-cultural and 'left-wing' in some sense.
wat
>>63889017
can't find any direct sources on what Phil actually did or said, just people calling him a disgusting mysygynyst and homophobe. A bunch of bloggers calling him a terrible person for using the word "pussy" as an insult. If SJW pressure really is what caused Cobalt's breakup then fuck this gay earth
>>63889597
today's counter-culture is right-wing tho
>>63889597
So what you're saying is that you're bait, and that all music that's also bait is bait and you're baiting right now? because that's gay
>>63889445
If that's a pasta then fine, because I'm 100% right.
>>63889447
I'm trained in music theory and have played classical piano for 12 years, and self taught myself composition and chord structure. I actually know my shit, which makes it all the more frustrating when people who don't even know how to play an instrument, let alone know any chords try to tell me that they know what's experimental.
>>63889501
Ok then, I've asked this the whole time, what do you consider experimental if Abu Lahab isn't? Because by your definition, I'd say some of the most experimental bands would be like Burzum and Meshuggah. Also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1-5OznwU9Y
>>63889597
but it also has a strong current of unity and defiance against outsiders. It's not just 'lolo fuck the system'
is there any Capitalist/Political right metal?
>>63889551
but maybe it isn't metal because metal archives decided they aren't
>>63889629
phil analschlomo mad black metal?
>>63889614
it isn't created for the purpose of profit.
the acquisition of profit and capital is the primary goal of corporations and individuals in a capitalist economy if you are a believer of right wing friedman/hayak economic theory.
obviously this would be different if you were a facist mongoloid
>>63889652
capitalism is shit tho
everyone agrees on this in 2016
>>63889648
I'm trained in music theory and learning composition too, but I don't have a self-righteous stick up my ass about it.
>>63889500
there's a reason why normies love DB, it's very very watered down black metal with synth elements.
>>63889629
Honestly they've probably been at odds for awhile now. They seem like very different people.
>>63889638
counter-cultural is not right wing. unless you live in a nordic socialist state, you are full of shit.
just because you attend an arts college and your classmates aren't racist fuckwits doesn't meant that being a facist is counter-cultural.
>>63889658
closest thing i could find
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sons_of_Liberty/3540310715
>>63889531
>No but "equality, progress, and open-mindedness" are metal
They are not. Metal extolls individuality and strength. "Sing kumbaya and hold hands" not included.
>>63889597
The left is the mainstream. The most metal political ideology would be similar to libertarianism, with less "muh free market" and more tribalism.
What's people's issue with DsO again? I haven't been here for a while and must have missed the discussions. I had Drought playing while reading through this so why not ask.
>>63889638
you fucking what
metallica > megadeth > slayer >>> anthrax
>>63889694
what's counter-cultural about it? capitalism is a culture now?
>>63889698
it's kept you and I well-fed our whole lives by way of sucking the blood out of 3rd-worlders, are you willing to give up all your shit for the sake of fairness? Capitalist evil is grimmer than any 'muh goats, muh chaos' posturing
You're headlining a massive festival with literally every good metal band ever.
What venue do you play at?
Me, it's pic related.
>>63889739
>>63889762
ok, if anything today's counter-culture is centrist/independent and a rejects of politics as a whole. not in an anarchistc way, but in an apathetic "I don't really care" way.
>>63889648
not that guy
Actually to be honest Meshuggah's gotten pretty experimental at places. Have you listened to their ep I?
that said
> I'm 100% right.
>I'm trained in music theory
>played classical piano for 12 years
>self taught myself composition and chord structure
way to be an asshole
You act like you're smart as fuck and know your shit but you can't tell when someone's trolling you
>>63889752
so socialist individualist libertarianism? in other words, anarchism? which is a left wing movement?
OK /meal/ I need your help
I don't listen to much metal, but a friend played this during a car ride and I fucking love it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HumvP3NyDyk
Where can I find more shit like this, I love it
>>63889500
Stormblast (original version) is the only decent thing they've made. Even then it pales in comparison to shit like Bergtatt or the first Primordial album, to say nothing of bonafide 2nd wave classics. I kinda like it, but if you are black metal inclined you should stop there.
>>63889812
you dont know what you're talking about do you?
>>63889833
>socialist
>individualist libertarianism
Mutually exclusive, faggot.
>>63889812
very accurate of most western countries - thank you
>>63889847
no, i don't really get out alot. just spewing observations out of my ass hoping they're right.
>not being a nationalist libertarian
Consensus on JFAC?
Listening to this right now, seems alright.
what's the best soilwork album?
>>63889834
Listen To Baroness, Ghost, and Mastodon
>>63889880
it still irks me how stupid that band name is
Gosh. Experimental metal and the political nature of metal. Who would think we'd end up here?
I guess it just proves, again and again, and again, that /metal/ will surprise you.
Man, the second part of Pressure is so Emperor, majestic!
>>63889858
ahhhh, so you actually have no idea. thank you for clarifying.
