ITT: name a better drummer
>protip: none exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMDcG3zAEI
ringo starr
How do i write songs like him? I can drum just like him, if not on a higher level.
>>63868786
have you ever heard of Spike energy drinks?
that or amphetamines
>>63868786
Post video of you doing better, fag
>>63868766
Literally Jaki, drummer from Can.
Listen to Bel Air, and dare to tell me a better percussion section exists in music. The man is a goddamn machine.
>>63868846
Okay, here i go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4CrlDwb9m8
>>63868766
>muh Zach Hill
>muh hard, fast flailing
He's good at that but does he ever do anything else?
>plays fast so he must be the best
kys
>>63868906
He's the Les Claypool of drummers. Kindof a one trick pony, but he excels at what he's good at.
too subjective
better topic (if you wanted no one to prove you wrong) would be to ask for a more energetic drummer
Jimmy Chamberlin easily
John French.
There, that was easy.
>>63869036
>>63868998
post yt
HE'S GOOD, BUT IF YOU CAN ONLY PLAY ONE BEAT YOU'RE NOT THE BEST
>>63869065
http://ca.lmgtfy.com/?q=Jimmy+Chamberlin
>>63869065
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWXMUODzNwc
>>63868951
what one thing is he really good at? Drumming? Isnt that the point? lol
any good stuff from him other than hold your horse is? are the other albums worth?
>>63869128
yes yes
check out there's no 666 in outer space and also Astrological Straits
>>63869122
so is les claypool the best bassist?
>>63869128
Check out Tripper senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W-btmNQL2Y
>>63869112
currently watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HosDd7-NPw
its great, don't get me wrong, but Hill's ability to play completely out of time is savant-like.
>>63869128
marnie is awesome with zach
>>63869065
Just listen to some Beefheart, man.
>>63868766
Wank, wank, and more wank. Why does it feel like everything he does is a drum solo?
>>63869128
>>63869168
Yes and also: Acoustics, Face Tat, Total Bugs Bunny On Wild Bass and Bygones.
Jeff Worms is a better Math Rock drummer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5dCGU0ppJI
i once saw zach hill play solo in front of like 10-15 people (many left, the other band was high places and most people came for them) back in 08 tho. was crazy!
Ween.
>>63869357
this is great...
I'll have to look into Toe more
>>63869357
i also like jim white
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw6j_etAiW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qwv2f5m0xM&nohtml5=False
>>63869203
yes
>>63869395
most records they made are great. my favs being their debut album and the new sentimentality EP. enjoy anon, they are a treat.
>>63868766
ok
danny carey
>>63869444
sax guy in the white and tan looks like mc ride
>>63868766
oh and britt walford
>>63869444
He looks like Bubbles from The Wire.
Also, great drummer. Thanks for posting.
>>63869567
without a doubt danny carrey is a phenomenon, but have you seen his kits? They're fuckin huge! theres a fuggin macbook hooked up to his kit holy shit...
>>63869607
So?
Damn...
>>63868766
Zach is a one-trick pony. The best players display emotional depth in addition to technical skill.
Gavin Harrison
Johnny Rabb
Thomas Lang
Jojo Mayer
Jack DeJohnette
Dave Weckl
Tony Royster Jr.
Jaki Liebezeit
Max Roach
Gene Krupa
etc. etc. etc.
>>63869629
sure theres nothing wrong with it, but it's spectacular to see Hill do so much with so little given to him.
Perhaps Hill is not better than Carrey or vice versa, rather they have different styles of drumming. I just like Hill's drumming IN ITSELF a little more.
>>63869637
He seems angry as hell but he's right about those other bands being great.
>>63868872
why does this meme opinion exist? how did people come to believe that jaki is anything special?
>inb4 explain why he's not good
no i want to hear from someone who thinks he is the greatest exactly why.
>>63868766
I sincerely hope you don't believe this, because that would be absolutely pathetic
>>63869293
It's insulting to drummers to even call it wank because that implies he's playing anything of value, it's all garbage
>>63869806
I know this is bait but
Jaki plays and thinks like a computer
A lot of the times when I listen to stuff he keeps time with his left foot instead of his right hand, he also perfected the sound of low tom and hi hat on the downbeat with bass drums on the upbeat, his fills do literally whatever he wills all while keeping time better than anyone. He is a machine, those are just a few reasons, hes one of my biggest inspirations
Most people however dont play drums and just parrot what Scaruffi says
>>63870616
The thing about keeping time with the left foot, I have to tell you, literally everyone does at some point
>>63870616
As for keeping time while doing fills, jazz guys, as with everything else, blow everyone else straight out of the water. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oyKSL-9kpOg
>>63870725
Antonio Sanchez also has fucking ridiculous limb independence
that quiet kid i went to HS with
>>63868766
>people will praise this garbage, but shit on technical '80s wank metal in the same breath
>>63870800
hehe
>>63870725
jaki was germany top jazz drummer prior to can
>>63868930
Clearly never listened to most of his songs
Is Zach allowed to say niggas on the moon when Stephan is in the room?
>>63868766
lenny white
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTj-_A0Zbkw
This guy
Gabe Serbian
https://youtu.be/Vk7VjPaXVmM
>>63871226
zach here
"nigga" man
how the hell has no one brought up jon theodore yet? he is without a doubt the greatest drummer of all time. he perfectly blends technical skill with all sorts of groove.
Darren King of Mutemath is the best in terms of drumming skills + showmanship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfyChdikLo4
>>63868786
use 6/4 for intros with spaces of massive rapid subdivision follow by sparse sections with an occassionally very oddly space note - but not syncopation.
vinnie colaiuta?
who?
>>63868872
my man. Jaki kills. too bad trying to organise drumming as a linear scale is ofcourse bum fun
>Complexity=always better
when will this meme end?
>>63872062
actually
yeah.
scales are stupid. these are two very different drummers.
Thomas Pridgen certainly compares. he's a personal fav. as is zach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DwlcJyDyxc
more fantastic drummers \
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAz8tt_KFfU
>>63868766
lo-lis-hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRTkfczaMXk
>>63868766
Th-thor Harris?
>>63868766
Is Neil Peart overrated/too dadrock around these parts? I was always told he was da best
>>63872446
Buddy Rich?
>>63872472
He's a cliche answer but in all seriousness he's an amazing drummer and he's on all those lists for a good reason. Seeing Rush live was a treat just for that reason.
>>63872062
cant argue with that
>>63872472
Not really, he's mentioned a lot, but for a good reason, he's just an amazing drummer.
>>63868766
The correct answer is Buddy Rich
If we're talking living, I would put up Brann Dailor, Jojo Mayer, and Mike Portnoy
>>63868906
most of his drumming for death grips isn't even flailing lol
Shinya from Dir en grey would be my choice. There's definitely technically superior drummers out there, but the amount of emotion and creativity is unmatched for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjF37MCFSqM
Deantoni Parks is probably the best drummer ever.
>>63875594
post link plz
>>63875632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlhKf7FM7qs&nohtml5=False
I'm not a drummer so I don't really know, but I don't hear anyone else who plays with his level of control and consistency. He can play really crazy shit but he does it in a subdued way. His focus is just amazing to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlhKf7FM7qs&nohtml5=False
>>63875672
Never heard of those guys, good shit. Thanks anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFgoVLm12Cc
a guy u never heard
Alex Neilson
stuart copeland.
michael giles.
>>63868766
Han Bennink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5u7s-D8OgU
the guy from whiplash...
that movie was fuckin phenomenal
changed the way I look at drummers
>>63876264
The character's based off Buddy Rich.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9esWG6A6g-k
>>63875672
fuark. what genre is this? The drums makes this listenable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J368XMZQOtk
![jontheodore550[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fzXfrqC.jpg "jontheodore550[1].jpg")
>>63868766
oh hai faggot
Zach Hill is the best drummer ever! He's so fast and crazy!
t. /mu/drone who's never listened to anything other simple indie rock/pop/hip hop before
![larsulrichfacemonster_638[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a3kqiFr.jpg "larsulrichfacemonster_638[1].jpg")
>>63868766
>Zach Hill
>>63876376
It's prog rock with psychedelic/droney vibes. However his playing is a little more in line with gospel drummers.
>>63876374
characters style*
What are some drumcore artists, all that's been named above?
>>63876998
>Lars ulrich
>lars "filler meme master" urlich
nigger what the fuck are you doing.
tatsuya yoshida
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH6m_h7x6SM
Travis Barker :^)
>>63869357
ctrl+f 'toe'
thank you anon
i saw them in chicago during their last north american tour, one of the best shows ever. Kashikura Takashi is the best drummer alive.
>>63878494
these guys are great
love the smooth production mixed with the math
>>63870800
Dude yea I had a quiet friend who was a beast at drums. Not a social outcast or anything, no.
>>63869677
>opens with Gavin
>Gene fucking Krupa
>Tony Royster
Lmao
This entire thread is fucking garbage.
>Danny Carey
>Jaki
There's literally two people in this thread that plays drums, and I'm one of them.
>>63871735
Yeah, no.
because you idiots are having such trouble with this
Aphex Twin does the most interesting things with percussive sound outside of Elvin Jones or Rashied Ali. This is a throwaway opinion so consider the comparisons stupid but whatever, I think I'm interesting. Girl/Boy Song. What a triumph there. My community college music prof. said the drums were spastic. I think they're expressive. I don't go to community college anymore. Checkmate.
The greatest drummer of all time and unanimously held so is Tony Williams. Without him, modern drumming wouldn't exist. The fact that no one has mentioned him shows how unfuckingeducated you all are, but I'm never surprised, this board is just as bad as reddit.
You want fast flashy skill that shits all over Zach hill? Mike Mitchell. Mason Guidry, Nick Smith, Rondald Bruner Jr, Thomas Pridgen Eric Moore etc etc
Want lower dynamic shredding? Eric Harland, Kendrick Scott, Antonio Sanchez, Brian Blade etc etc
Want tasty grooves? Chris Dave, Richard Spaven, Benny Greb, Mark Gulliana etc etc etc
This thread is so fucking shit god damn it, it's infuriating.
>>63876912
no idiot, he's fucking primal.
>>63879194
Tony Williams is great, but many of the drummers you listed took inspiration from him and that whole generation and really ran with it. You wanna say he's the "greatest" drummer, sure, ok. But looking purely at drummers without context, without "who influenced who" and all that shit, I would never say he was the best.
>>63879280
Technically untouchable, musically untouchable, conceptually ahead of his time, and you don't look at drummers without looking at the history either, the greatest and considered to be so by nearly all of today's masters and up and coming greats. That alone warrants the best of all time title, not to mention the extensive amount of work he put out with the best damn drumming you'd ever hear.
>>63878997
i have played drums for many years. OP seems to only value technical skill in a drummer so I threw in Gavin and Tony, both of whom are technically far superior
also danny carey is shit and you know it
>ranking musicians
bands like hella are so abstract that I really don't care.
>drums are impressive,
>guitar riffs are literally why?
>vocals if any are a complete joke.
I thought kurt cobain died for our sins why are we back to wanking again?
>>63876729
you are the smartest person here
>>63879369
Been playing for two decades.
Tony has the worst style out of the 30 some odd drummers that came to prominence from his area in California.
Gavin is really good at using varying dynamics and has solid technique, but I personally find his style boring as fuck. Porcupine tree never did anything for me. I'd rather listen to him play jazz.
When did I ever say Danny was good you fucking goof
Stewart Copeland
https://youtu.be/PIIkN1vMbmo
>>63880610
Terrible meme. The police suck. The only reason copeland is ever discussed is because of the police, he had nothing else to contribute to drums other than pop tunes. Bernard Purdie on the other hand...
>>63880654
>meme
Right, everything you don't like is a meme.
>needs drums to drum
lmao
https://youtu.be/CywghE1pk5Y
>>63880702
>I don't play drums but the police is my favorite band ever therefore Stewart Copeland is an amazing drummer!
Fucking retard.
>>63868766
EASY AS FUCK BUDDY RICH
>>63880812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9esWG6A6g-k
>>63880837
Wow that video has never been posted before. It's totally not the first video that pops up when you search his name.
dont know which drummer specifically because wikipeda lists three different drummers for this album but, the drumming on st alfonzos/father o'blivion is one of my favorites
https://youtu.be/yzfzsKENCbU?t=68
>>63880743
>I don't play drums
>the police is my favorite band ever
>all of this projecting
Why the anger, senpai? Did Sting hurt you? Were you cucked by the manlet Andy Summers?
>>63880913
Watch and learn faggot
Notice the low level of vocabulary displayed, dropping flams on toms, basic two over three following the bass drum, sparse 16th notes and notice how he doesn't stray from this and repeats his ideas.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yB65_CVbo-0
Now watch someone who's actually a master play. Notice the difference in vocabulary, notice the chops, the displacement, the space, the pocket, everything in a neat package that doesn't involve making stupid faces and flailing arms to put on a show instead of letting your sticks do the talking.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=px1C7h8Z_3c
Like night and fucking day.
The funny part is, you're just a normie who doesn't know what a god damn flam is and thinks you actually know what you're talking about.
>>63879213
I'm not disrespecting Zach Hill, but the only people who act like he's the be all, end all of drumming (around here anyway) are usually people who who've never listened to any sort of technical or drum oriented music. Pretty much the only difference between Zach Hill and your average modern death metal drummer is the fact that Zach plays math rock. He's good, but this shit has been done before.
>>63881048
Gonna need a tl;dr on this, autismo.
>>63868766
Is there a non-YouTube rip version of Interview 2016 up for download?
>>63881048
>you're just a normie
I'm fine with this. But I like that you actually gave some references here instead of just tarding out like you were earlier. Still, after watching and reading that, I stand by Copeland.
>>63881120
What's the matter bby? Can't read a few lines of text? Don't know anything about drums and drummers or music in general? Of course you don't.
>ITS AUTISTIC IF I CANT REFUTE IT
Fucking pathetic
>>63881177
Why? Fanboyism? Of course. No different than a rush fan.
>>63868766
joey baron
>drumming
>taking skill
takes alot of skill to hit some boxes with a stick
>>63881267
If there was no skill involved, why aren't you making millions off of playing such a skill less instrument? Surely only a retard wouldn't jump at that chance to show everyone how mediocre it is, right? Oh wait, you're full of shit.
>>63868766
Marco Minnenmann.
>>63880654
>>63880743
>>63881048
>>63881210
>>63881238
>>63881302
mfw
>>63881344
this desu
>>63881267
Man, piano is so unskilled. Takes a lot of skill to push some buttons at the right time.
B R I A N C H I P P E N D A L E
>>63881091
As someone who enjoys his music and drumming style, but doesn't consider him the "be all end all of drumming"; I don't like Zach for the fact that he's technically very talented but mostly for the part that his drumming technique is so agressive and primal.
It feels like channeling and/or evoking pure feelings and putting "taste" aside so to speak.
It might sound stupid but that's how I experience it and what I enjoy.
I wonder how musicians in general with virtuosic senses of rhythm and time signatures do it. I've been playing the guitar for several years and that kind of rhythmic precision is something I'd really love to achieve some day.
>>63881353
>kid doesn't know anything about drums and gets called out
>a-autism r-r-right guise...
>>63881385
Thousands of hours of practice and listening. Playing a lot of jazz.
>>63881238
Let me guess, you have something against Neil Peart, too?
>>63881436
Go away normie, this is a drum thread, not a faggot thread.
>>63881430
Yeah, to be honest I've focused mostly on mastering the fretboard and composition skills. I'm going to start taking jazz guitar courses at the local conservatory in the summer, because that's the only way I can keep on with my studies but still work on music too. It's been on my to-do-list for way too long.
This thread isn't nearly as angry as I expected.
>>63881512
At the expense of actually talking about great drummers. Shit thread.
>>63869036
this
>>63881454
Fuck off with your narcissistic faggotry, you're making yourself look like a huge tool
OI MATE
Also, >>63872062
>>63871472
Ma nigga
Anyone here familiar with Sami Kuoppamäki?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2s9I8dpyc
>>63868766
I love Zach Hill as a musician but as a drummer he's so so.
He has boundless energy and some interesting hand foot patterns which transfer to interesting beats but he's lacking in a LOT of departments which can ever make him the GOAT.
Dynamics, technique, timing, he's not even that fast either tbqh.
He'd be in the top 100 of drummers playing at the moment for creativity, output and energy, but nowhere near the top 10 for anything that makes a technically sound drummer.
>>63881344
Saw him playing on the last Satriani tour, dude's a beast...
>>63868766
I really hate this faggot's music
>>63881781
>admits is normie who doesn't play drums
>is in drum thread adding nothing to the discussion
Not like you'd have anything insightful to share.
What a fucking tool.
>>63882036
>he thinks only one person is replying to him
what the hell is your problem?
>>63868766
He isn't good, he's just fast and random.
>>63882082
>>>>>>>>implying
Again, not like you'd have anything insightful to share.
>>63882036
I'm actually a different guy that you replied to, and Fyi i do play the drums, i have for 11 years now, so dont give your crap about "lel you dont know what good drumming is".
>>63882749
I'm 10 years your senior. You don't know shit about drums
>>63882088
Well, in the video that OP shared he is fast, but not random at all. If you think that was "random" you're probably mentally handicapped, the video of him practicing is defintely random though.
What makes Zach so good is how fluid and loose his playing is. Also, he posses the greatest right foot of any drummer ever. Seriously, just compare a video of Zach playing by himself to a video of Mike Portnoy (for example) playing by himself. They are polar opposites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdJg9AuTvvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCWiogdCMY0
>>63882838
so?
i have studied music for quite a while, just quit the arrogant facade already
>>63882915
Oh cool me too. Doing performance with emphasis on orchestral performance and play plenty more jazz. Where did you study?
>>63883029
>>63882915
>>63882838
How embarrassing. I have never studied music before and I could probably wipe the floor with both of you self-impressed shit heads at the same time.
>>63883065
I highly doubt that, considering I've been playing music since age 3 consistently. Oh yeah, free education baby!
>>63883096
Oh yeah cool guy? Well I've been playing since age 0.5 at least once a day. Looks like I win, bub.
>ctrl+f
>Cameron
>0 results
>Matt
>1 result
>it's actually part of a word
>Matt Cameron
>0 result
>remember I'm on /mu/
But of course
>>63883205
I can't find the coconut flour :(
>>63883221
Go back to 1994.
>>63882897
like i said 80 posts ago, its just too subjective to say who "best drummer evar" is
i'm just a fucking pleb teenager but music is still more about how i feel than anything else
i appreciate jazz drummers and traditional rock music drummers for their practiced skill and how they contribute to a song to make it beautiful, and i wouldn't argue if someone listed buddy rich or whoever as one of the top 5 drummers of all time
but zach hill makes me want to kick out a window and do a fucking backflip out of it then run back in and destroy an entire drywall
and he's the only one who makes me feel like that
>>63884120
You need to listen to a lot more drummers. Pleb
>implying Zach hill us actually good.
He's quick but that doesn't make a good drummer.
Bonham is as quick, he just chose not to play like that cause it sounds like shit. So is Buddy Rich, but again, real drummers play to the music, not just seizure out the entire song.
Zach hill is the definition of /mu/. People who have never played drums talking about him as if he's some drum god.
>>63869637
Savage bastard knows what's up
>>63884454
His style fits his music perfectly.
t.drummer of 22years
>>63884231
i'm waiting
>>63884518
Every song I've heard of his sounds like him trying to solo along to some horrible prog rock song.
Most famous drummers can play like that, it's a specific technique where you fill empty space in the beat with doubles on a triplet beat. It's like a level 1 skill he's just really good at it. It's what buddy rich was a freak at too, that's why it just sounds like he's rolling on everything. Zach hill being ranked as best drummer just shows the ignorance of all the other freak drummers.
>>63869128
church gone wild, man
>>63884454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NND0T1pWbt4
you're opinion is objectively wrong newfag
>>63886106
No its not, I've been drumming for 11 years. I know alot more about drumming than 95% of you on this board
He reminds me of Ginger baker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwygA3BBUvs
>>63886106
it's literally all single strokes. and listen to like every time he hits a cymbal. the strokes themselves are garbage. it literally sounds like someone who's never played drums in their life wished for the ability to play quickly and loudly, had their wish granted, then realized "shit, i have no idea WHAT to play," and just started going. there's nothing to it, it's just bullshit. it's a wall of noise. there's no phrasing, no dynamics, no musicality to speak of. it's garbage.
>>63886512
If you think every drummer needs to fit the same requirements or meet a little checklist you are a massive pleb.
>>63886550
wow
WOW
i'm floored that you're this stupid
>>63886571
i'm floored that someone can have their head so far up their own ass that only meme drummers satisfy their musical interests. after reading this thread, this nigger >>63881353 might be right
>>63886759
>>63886805
oh my bad, i thought you were the other guy
>>63868766
machines are better drummers then humans.
