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>there are people in the kpg who like red velvet
congratulations, you played yourself
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>>63762678
halflife
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>>63762849
I dropped them after their latest album desu
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>>63762849
>you played yourself
omo...
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cute
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twicegirl
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>>63762849
Red is AOTY
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post more of that dirty little slut choi yoojung
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>yfw the next rv comeback is more velvet stuff
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>>63762717
but we also use it as her nickname
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post something daebak
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>>63762877
omomomo
slideboy

she needs a social media account so i can send her love messages daily
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>>63762877
but that's a boy
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>>63762873
also cute
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>>63762839
>Hey smell this sluggi.

>>63762761
Was there any reason for her to dislike other than him obviously wanting to lock her away in his basement as a sextoy?
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>>63762877
>tfw no twicegirl bf

kill me
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If your waifu isn't on this list she's fucking shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1nO6HtItPE
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>>63762901
Isn't it?
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>>63762939
im not clicking that and giving it views but i guarantee mine is
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>>63762939
>worst AOA is the thumbnail
dont even bother with this
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daebak
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>>63762961
Tell me who your waifu is, I'll check for you.
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>>63762936
wonder if she'd want to dom
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>>63762943
cute pits
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>>63762986
i dont want you to give it views either
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>>63762968
hul
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>>63762986
Sunny
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>>63762939
>nana
>being anywhere near the top 10
discarded
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which kpops are ride or die
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>>63762992
i want this
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>>63763005
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>>63762901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AybCGJzCwxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TKJ06LI5D8
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>>63762995
It's ok, it doesn't register as a view unless you watch the whole thing.
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>>63763005
Clonefu is ride or DIA
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>>63762939
>#1 - Suzy
meme list, discarded
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>>63763015
you arent tricking me video maker
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DXqlioo4-c

WHO IS THIS?
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>>63763012
>soshitter
based 2010 bro
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>>63763005
Straight thuggin
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>>63763025
me
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>>63763025
fany
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>>63763011
i'd rather die than ride with that munter
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>>63763025
what's the song?
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has it been confirmed that Wifi Jung really quit his job or was it just an april fools joke?
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Drink More Water
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>>63763110
does anyone honestly care
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>Ableist
I don't even have that word in my dictionary
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>>63763114
woah.. creepy.. i literally just drank some
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how many men do you think have had the taste of chaeyoung? 10? 20?
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>>63763114
thanks I almost forgot
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I want crop tops to end

i dont like all my waifus exposing themselves like this

why cant kpop just be about the music?
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>>63762939
meme top 10
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>>63763128
6000000000
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kiss kiss
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>>63763110
It was never confirmed, but the guy who claimed he did hasn't said it was a joke.
Some other guy is saying their building changed owners, and will post the building paper, but nothing from him yet.
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>>63763128
just me
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>>63763128
chaengie is a little cumpuppy.
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>>63763154
omo so suddenly >.<
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>>63763166
what is wrong with you?
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>>63763138
get lost prude.

FREE KQT BELLYBUTTONS
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>>63763154
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>>63763138
>why cant kpop just be about the music?
it is to me
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>>63763114
word
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>>63763166
omo...
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>this guy is back
whats his problem.....
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>>63763126
>>63763136
Good. Now smell some flowers
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>>63763194
i can still see your face
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>>63763194
no fuck u
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I can't stop watching fancams of Oh My Girl's Arin... She's fucking perfect man
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>>63763181
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>>63763221
god nugushitters are pathetic
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>>63763105
>Nexen heros

go lotte giants
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>>63763221
she's going to drain all your fluids until you are one of her zombies..
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>>63763259
that's her specialty..
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>>63763240
>>63763259
what is wrong with you?
>>
>>
>>63762939
non-objective
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>>63763259
lmao
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>>63763273
TRUMP
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>>63763230
stfu

>>63763240
>>63763259
>>63763266

o-omo
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>>63763270
that's kfappers for you
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>>63763273
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>>63763295
i bet she wasn't even wearing panties there o.o
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>>63763273
*vomits*
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>>63763299
And that's for you
*grabs dick*
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>>63763026
>2016
>still not loving the greatest girlgroup of the mahamanvantara

baka
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>>63763319
>K-uck fantasies
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>>63763315
>>
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Arin has been GOAT since the beginning
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arin is too good to be true, there has to be something not so great about her
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>>63763352
her face for one
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>>63763352
Maybe her ugly face?
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>>63763359
IDIOT
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>>63763210
>>63763213

>>>/wsg/1017920
>>>/wsg/1017920
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>>63763359
>>63763364
lmao look at these god damn retards
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even through the darkest days
this fire burns
always
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seulgi lol
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>>63763379
good song
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>>63763352
Maybe the fact that she's underage? Unless you're a pedo
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>>63763371
>thank you for cumming
OMO
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>>63763315
word my dick vomits to her too
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>>63763371
she sounds like krystal
>>63763388
will yeri ever stop her bullying
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>>63763273
i'd pump the hell out of her.
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>>63763315
are you have problems? you definitely need to see a doctor, preferably a psychiatrist.
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>>63763431
forgot your hyosung
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theres an idiot here.
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>tfw our girls OMG was on Infinite Challenge
based
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>>63763435
you definitely need a psychiatrist, you're sick!
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>>63763495
with yellow fever
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tfw lewda gives you this look
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what software do you guys use for making webms?
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WHY DIDN'T YOU VOTE FOR ME ANON
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>>63763560
scarqt ;___;
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>>63763566
Webbem Pro
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>>63763566
4chan x
>>
My girls:
Dahye
Yura
Soyul
AOA Choa
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>>63763560
>>63763572
>>
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>>63763566
paint
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If you were to be punished by an snsd member who would it be and what type of punishment would you want?
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>>63763541
tfw yeoreum gives you this look
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>>63763594
my girl

not girls because im not a waifu hopping fuckboy
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>>63763566
wordpad
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>>63763611
tae forcing me to suck.

omo
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>>63763631
you already suck tho
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WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR THEM INSTEAD OF ME
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>>63763611
taeyeon

making me lick her crotch clean
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>>63763631
forgot to include
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>>63763566
virtualdub+ffmepg
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>>63763631
>>63763671
>>63763675
i like this
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>>63763616
tfw you give yeoreum this look
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>>63763605
*tickles you*
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>>63763566
first say who's your waifu?
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>>63763694
*runs away*
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>>63763727
no please come back
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>tfw I didn't see sua in the final episode of produce 101

did anyone else see her?
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>>63763619
betsy doesn't belong to anyone
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>>63763566
i email a request along with 5 dollar paypal payment to thewebmguy at hotmail dot com
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>>63763711
i don't believe in monogamy
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>>63763740
Nah, I pretty much assumed she didn't show up
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>>63763740
shes in a better place now....
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>>63763740
anon..
>>
omo......
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>>63763780
nana is pure sex
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>>63763780
why is that man wearing a bra?
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>>63763780
mana....
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>>63763750
>>63763754
>>63763767
dammit
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>>63763738
*takes aim*
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>>63763780
chewy is the better model face type
nana looks too manly from several angles
still gorgeous most of the time
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>>63763749
... well, okay take it
a) https://github.com/nixxquality/WebMConverter
b) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLkH9Er0u4Y 4chan How Into WebM

* prefer a)
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>>63763566
>>>/wsg/1002054
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>>63763817
lmao thats not how you hold a bow you retard
>>
Produce 101 - Crush https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqOhEn3dftI
good or shit
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>>63763689
a rare yeoreum webm and it's only 2 seconds of her face :((
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>>63763594
But who's your waifu?
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>>63763843
>cmon girls
sighhh but its shit. just fill the entire album with 1 new song and then the rest with the songs they did at the guerilla concert+pick me.
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Tell me about Kyung
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why chewy is the superior nana
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>>63763846
her 10/10 butt makes up for it
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Cutie or uggo?
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>>63763890
flagcunt
>>
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>>63763886
He has poor hygiene.

>>63763890
Looks mature her. It suits her.
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>>63763842
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>>63763843
any fancams yet?
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>>63763890
stupid fucking chink
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>>63763891
word
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>>63763934
i'm gonna steal that thing and spank you with it
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>>63763906
Don't trust anyone who calls any Jimin "uggo".
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>>63763951
kyaaaa!!!
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>>63763886
Loves the fans the most out of anyone.
Is really insecure about being ugly.
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>>63763891
im gonna learn how to make webm's just for my girl
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>>63763954

And peopl who call this cutie uggo?
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>>63763963
seriously fuck
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>>63763963
g o d d e s s
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>>63763989
Are mostly correct.
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>>63762849
>using dj khaled phrases
>not liking RV

lol?
>>
>>63763963
HOLY
FUCKING
OMO
>>
>>63763917
amazing. I would
fuck the police
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>>63763817
>>63763934
only with the power of SM could such a shitty actress continue to get roles ;^)
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>>63764005

But he's so hot. He's so fire
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>>63763917
OMO
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>>63763963
who teaches these girls how to move like this?
and why isn't it mandatory teaching for every girl on the planet?
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>>63764024
>i would fuck the police
omo....
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>>63764042
Her body is like a glass coke bottle.

>>63764035
You too, anon.
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>>63764040
some girls are uggos
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>>63764042
word. me too
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>>63764064
yeah but if uggos moved like that i might lower my standards a little...
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>>63763920
>It suits her
she rarely ever looks sub 10/10 to be honest, no matter what she does.
make up or not. mature or cutie look, anything really
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>>63764058
>>63764085
fuuuuuuck...
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>>63763849
I'm married to Dahye's thighs
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>>63764086
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>>63763675
What did she say?
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>>63764115
Still cute as fuck
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>>63764107
mah nigga
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Sejeong tho
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I want to die being smothered by Hwasa's thighs, there I said it!
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>>63764122
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>>63764085
imagine no safety shorts tho

my omos would be in another universe
>>
>>63764132
is this from ep 11?
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>>63763886
Promised the fans he'd sell cucumbers if his single got to #1 and delivered.
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>>63764132
god sejeong
based our god
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>>63764149
Yeah, when they go to a photoshoot
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hara jav.....
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>>63764035
>>63764056
Forgot to add I feel for him...

>>63764086
She's just really beautiful is all. She also takes really good care of herself. Hopefully her Korea gets better so she can branch out more.
>>
>>63762877
this is a boy
>>63763917
this is a girl
>>63764123
this is a grown ass woman
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>>63764169
Her comfort level with speaking Korean seems to have gotten a lot better, she seems to have a lot more personality in these Twice reality show episodes than she did before.
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>>63764160
>that gentle jiggle
i would suck until they turn black and blue.....
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>>63764160
HOLY SHIT
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>>63764167
like da first time~
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>>63764155
>cucumbers
how lewd
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>>63764232
>>63764132
>>63763963
damn shame shes such a slippery snake
>>
>>63764155

>blocks jaehyo
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>>63763963
>>63764232
gonna fucking do it
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>>63764261
do what
>>
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>>63764155
Poor Kyung, always called ugly. He's cute in his own way and is a ball of energy.

>>63764185
She has but still has more to learn, even other JYP idols like Mark and Jackson too. She's young and has members who will help her. It was cute when she made a mistake and said "It was boring" instead of "It was fun". She seems to be coming more out of her shell more and more every time.
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>>63764167
OMO why is she such a slutty now?
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>>63764289
>Now
you know that CF is from like 2011 right?
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>>63764167
what's this from?
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>>63764289
>>63764312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_G19JMmw3o
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>>63764326
omo..
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>>63764314
manface
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>>63764349
manfaces are better than faces like sulli, joy or suzy desu senpai
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>>63764258
Jaehyo's face and pose are killing me.
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>>63764361
lmao
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I really want to see these INCOMPETENT and LAZY subbers excuse for delaying the latest Lovelyz episode by TWO FUCKING WEEKS. THE LAST ONE WAS 20 FUCKING DAYS AGO! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG?

THESE FUCKING CUNTS ARE USELESS
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>>63764375
>THESE FUCKING CUNTS ARE USELESS
word, lovelyz should just disband already
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>>63764375
Sounds like you need to learn how to have patience
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>>63764375
everytime they try to sub the episodes they probably fall asleep

its a really boring show
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>>63764217
it's his nickname
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>>63764375
>waah waah all I can do is cry on my monkey island instead of trying to fix the problem myself
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>>63764326
whoring...
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any buddy's here?
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>>63764365
Jaehyo was adorable. Just eating tangerines and then getting all excited when some little boy knew his name.
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>>63763689
Is she even in this?
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>>63764398
dont forget vomiting, must make it hard to sub a show
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>>63764398
>>63764446
This meme is the best! XD
I can't believe you posted it again!

LOL! :P
you guys are hilarious haha
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>>63764404
>monkey island

based
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>7. [+51, -17] Fans were so worried when you hurt your leg and still had to perform on stage and made a fuss at SM demanding feedback and articles about it but it turns out that SM couldn't even give us feedback in the first place because you injured your leg after going on a ski date with your girlfriend. When your eye got infected and you had to promote with glasses on, us fans were worried sick about our Jongin's eye but it was because you had cat allergies and you were with your girlfriend's cat the whole time. You said Instagram was hard and wanted to quit but it turns out that you already had a private account with pictures of your girlfriend. It's so tiring. Every time us fans think we've gotten closer to you, here's another scandal to set us apart.

lmao
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>tfw 5 of the 11 girls made
based
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>>63764436
kek that's subin
oops
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>>63764273
im the straw
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>>63764462
>tfw the games were good but since then the entertainment industry has been over-saturated with that sort of humor and you just can't enjoy it anymore
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Remove half breeds from kpop

Somi and Shannon must leave
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>>63764468

why did you betray us kai

>wake up
>not april fools anymore
>kaistal still a thing
>their pool sex tape hasn't been uploaded yet
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Ahyoung...
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>>63764470
>5 of the 11
I see 6/12 there tho
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JUSTICE
FOR
HYERI

JUSTICE
FOR
CHAEKYUNG
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>>63764420
I read that and was happy for him. Kyung also wants that to happen to him. U-Kwon looks dead here and here too.
http://youtu.be/yzA0nGnXBlU
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>>63764510
is a qt
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>>63764503
>tfw some security dude at that hotel has the tape all to himself
>>
>make fresh instagram
>Post on krystal's instagram that she is a fame stealing slut
>Watch the (You)'s roll in
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>>63764503
i wanna blast to that pool pic but i dont know if its them, hell it could be two dudes for all i know.
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>>63764492
and apink
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>>63764531
>tfw living for the (You)s
it's a cursed life we chose...
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>>63764532
it's a seal and its trainer
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Pann: Current situation about Kaistal in EXO's fan section

2. [+260, -5] Three members have left, one is preparing to leave, two have been in dating scandals, what is this crap

3. [+257, -2] Fans deserve to be mad and I completely understand them, this all blew up overnight for them

4. [+183, -5] I actually think it's normal for fans to be mad. It's so unnatural when fans are like "It's okay~~~ be happy" EXO should've known to be more careful after all the member scandals they've gone through but it's like they don't care anymore because they know their fans have gone through so much that they can just pile more burden on them and they'll put up with it for them.

5. [+145, -3] EXO needs to stop thinking of us fans as idiots who will put up with everything. Dispatch said so themselves that Kaistal walked around confidently and didn't try to hide it at all ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ they went around with their faces open wearing couple items. They needed to have at least acted like they were trying to hide it ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ I wonder how funny they thought it was when fans shielded them from all the delusional fans hooking them up..

6. [+141, -0] They really do seem to think that their popularity will last no matter what they do. They think of their fans as people who will always be there for them but they need to realize that there's nothing scarier than fans who have turned their backs on you.

7. [+141, -3] When us fans were busy trying to catch manipulated votes, he was with his girlfriend eating seafood. When us fans were busy crying and worrying over his injured leg, it turned out that he got injured from skiing with his girlfriend. He was with his girlfriend in a pool together, in a hotel suite room for two nights with room service...
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>>63764517
I love Kwonnie and everything but..yeah, that's him. There was bound to be one dud out of the 7 of them.

He's still adorable though.
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>>63764551
*unzips*
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>>63764557
>5. [+145, -3] EXO needs to stop thinking of us fans as idiots who will put up with everything. Dispatch said so themselves that Kaistal walked around confidently and didn't try to hide it at all ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ they went around with their faces open wearing couple items. They needed to have at least acted like they were trying to hide it ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ I wonder how funny they thought it was when fans shielded them from all the delusional fans hooking them up..

Muh entitlement
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>>63764557
female fans are so autistic compared to male fans
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>>63764557
what the fuck is wrong with these people?
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>>63764557
>5. [+145, -3] EXO needs to stop thinking of us fans as idiots who will put up with everything.
but they do, and will continue to. did their sales take a huge slump after the chink traitors left? no. after baekhyum got his dick wet? no.

fangirls truly are stupid. their obsession and parent's money make it even easier for these kinds of extravagant dates to happen.
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>>63764587
They wanted to be the one sucking his dick in a hotel pool
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>>63764557
Where does this entitlement come from? jfc
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>>63764588
it's like paying to get cucked
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someone please confirm the pool pic is krystal so i can have release.
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>[+183, -5] I actually think it's normal for fans to be mad. It's so unnatural when fans are like "It's okay~~~ be happy" EXO should've known to be more careful after all the member scandals they've gone through but it's like they don't care anymore because they know their fans have gone through so much that they can just pile more burden on them and they'll put up with it for them.

They're FANS of a fucking music group, it's not a fucking job jesus christ.
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>>63764588

>mfw fans literally pay for those two to fuck

good thing I never spent anything
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>>63764608
I can't believe sohye made it out of this group
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>>63764588
SM Stocks go down every time there is a scandal. Baekhyun fansites closed. Fans of him just move on to another member or leave but not enough to hurt him.
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Anyone got requests for the produce 101 episode 11 webms?
im going to make choi yoo jung crying about doyeon making it
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>>63764601
>where does this entitlement come from
They are gaypop female underage fans, this is their life

>>63764619
They spend thousands of dollars on oppa just to feel cucked, I don't know what they expected, they have a personal life and I don't think being a fan should influence that too much
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>>63764588
you're missing what's wrong with that comment. they actually think them dating makes their fans idiots which is mind boggling.

>>63764621 summed the insanity up nicely
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>>63764634
>SM Stocks go down every time there is a scandal
BUY BUY BUY BUY
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>>63764601
>Where does this entitlement come from?
show me a successful idol group with no fans.
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>>63764643
make some lewd ones
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>>63764643
your suicide
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>>63764634
>Baekhyun fansites closed
which?
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>>63764643
Nayoung

always make Nayoung
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im glad im a once and not a lovelinus, love having subs so quickly~
>>
Cool Hot Sweet Love is a properly good song, thank god The Velvet wasn't a complete waste of time.
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>>63764684
not funny
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>>63764630
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>>63764684
subs for what
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>>63764717
>>
>>63764707
Word
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> [+170, -12] Just because he was curious???? So what about the rest of us who are curious about theft, rape, and murder??? Being curious shouldn't be an excuse at all, there's a reason laws exist in our society. He's not even a young age, he needs to wake up and make sure this never happens again.

>Wow you were curious about smoking weed? What about the rest of us who are curious about raping and murdering people huh?!

Knetz are fucking insane.
>>
>he's never had to wait for over half a year for a show to be subbed
you fuckers are spoiled
>>
>>63764742
what show
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>>63764557
>people thought Kai had surgery on his eyes
>actually alleric to Krystal's cat
>hurt his leg during Christmas on vacation with her
>heals
>people say his current one is from this time
Still here for Kai.
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>>63764660
thats not very nice
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>>63764756
who looks scary?
>>
>>63764735
if you dont think about raping and murdering people every day you dont belong here.
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>>63764750
gaki no tsukai
>>
>I'm still waiting 3 months for a fucking weekly idol episode to be subbed
fuck you lovelyz fans
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>>63764731

Are they related?
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>>63764765
word i want the normies to leave
>>
>>63764775
It's one guy that's complaining all the time
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>>63764765
>tfw thinking about it right now
>>
I am going to rape GFRIEND's Eunha. I am going to murder GFRIEND's Yerin.
>>
>>63764799
now that's more like it...
>>
>>63764799
>leaves sowon alone.

i'm ok with this
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>>63764753
krystal is beating the shit out of him
domestic violence is NOT okay. 1800-799-SAFE if you need help 24/7
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>>63764780
Have they ever been confirmed to be seen in the same place at once?
>>
GET WELL SOON KAI
>>
nre
>>63764859
>>63764859
>>63764859
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>>63764668
From what I've heard, big one for Baekhyun and one for Taeyeon. I don't follow either.
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>>63764841

Not that I know about, but they must have met on shows and stuff
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>>63764877
i was just joking lol. i have no idea if they've met actually
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>>63764991

I know, desu they only look alike in the first pic I posted, though PO's complexion is a little bit more pale
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>>63763780
my dream is for Nana to facefuck me with her dong while wearing the lipstick outfit. no homo
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>>63765053
>that pic
n i c e.

remember what we said last night? i found this today. what do you think?
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>>63765255

Holy fuck, I don't recognize this person haha
And he looks much better now. What do you think?

Also, how come this was never posted? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrO6whN3oC8
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>>63765424
GD is so childish lol.

But yeah good question. That was great to see
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>>63765424
Oh! I didn't answer the question.
desu I like it. It's still cute lol
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>>63765617

I was surprised to see him... like that

Also, the other thread confused me lol
AND I forgot I made you a question kek what is happening
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>>63765708
whats confusing?
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>>63765742

TOPses....

Also gd's hair looks horrible, thank god it's possible to get better with age
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>>63765785
ikr

I had to do a double-take myself. A non TOP-poster posting TOP in kpg. It's both a blessing and a curse.

i dont know why but i'm feeling the retro pics today
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>>63765820

I think it's kind of depressing, you know.
And it goes fast, we think of the past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPhR1atjoBg
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>>63765887
I don't like nostalgia either but...I think its ok because of how far they've come and how great things are for them now. I can just enjoy looking at them without having a lot of heavy emotions attached. For now, anyway.
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>>63765973

I know exactly what you mean. Also, look at that hair lol. TOP is probably the one who gained the most with time. GD right next to him.
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>>63766024
>TOP is probably the one who gained the most with time.
Yeah no kidding. He is hard to recognize in the old stuff.

And he really really really does look like a ghost in that pic.
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>>63766097

What's his deal with ghosts?
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>>63766167
That's still a mystery to me too. But if I had to guess probably something about the fact of how they aren't bound to this world, or any mundane mortal things appealing to him. When he was ghost TOP answering questions he said stuff like "a ghost doesn't do this", " a ghost doesn't care about that" etc etc
But I'm just pulling this analysis out of thin air so who knows.
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