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it just isn't clicking
Play it louder, and have the vacuum running in the background.
dont force it for one
try listening to it louder
try to focus on each layer of noise
it's not going to change it's just vapid pop
I don't know why people have such problems with listening to records
>>63516649
This.
Also, weed helps. You should be able to see the layers spread out in your head. Like looking at the ceiling of a planetarium.
>>63516692
Loveless is difficult to enjoy , don't be so hard on him
>>63516696
i've never smoked weed so i cant even imagine what thats like. my cousin smokes a ton of it so i've been meaning to get some from him for awhile
I dunno, i guess i'm not impressed? everyone loves this album and wont shut up about how much of an amazing wall-of-sound it is, and i just dont hear it. its not as crazy as it could be, as people make it out to be. plus people making guitars sound droney, like wow cool, good job, i dont see the point. I'm definitely over thinking this, trying to find out why people like it instead of just liking the sounds, but thats because i don't particularly like the sounds. they're ok, but i feel like i should be head over heels for it, and i'm absolutely not, but part of me feels like i could be?
Do you have a good stereo or are you listening to it on cheap shit?
>>63517031
$15 headphones
>>63516627
>albums suddenly unexplainably click for you
kill yourself redditor
mbv is more accessible (and possibly better), so you should start there.
>>63517084
There's your problem. You're missing 1/2 the music.
At least get some portapros if you're poor.
>>63517084
Spend about $50 more on headphones and you'll notice the difference.
>>63517084
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
wew
this thread
>>63517084
Get a ~$1500 stereo and relisten to it.
McIntosh C28
Dynaco ST-120
2x Klipsch Forte
would be a good loveless setup
>>63517126
>>63517144
>>63517170
I have £200 headphones and it still sounds just "pretty good" after 5 or so full listens over the space of like a year.
Every song just sounds like a 10 second 7/10 melody repeated ad nauseum
The only song i really like is 'sometimes', purely because i associate it with Lost In Translation
>>63517223
>~$1500
u srs
do you honestly think i will ever have that kind of mone
>>63517256
yeah I know I don't like the album that much, whatever
it's just clear the album is so much about the finer background sounds that trying to listen to it on some fuckin earbuds was hilarious
>>63516627
they didn't play to a click bro
sucks 2 b u
>>63516759
Bud and Loveless go very well together.
>>63516799
>i feel like i should be head over heels for it, and i'm absolutely not, but part of me feels like i could be?
Good. That's how we all felt. Took me until my 4th listen until it clicked for me.
Really, the appeal of it is that the songs are supposed to represent far-off hazy memories, hence the unintelligible lyrics. And the overall softness of the album represents nostalgia. The distortion represents how one's memories of an event may be distorted from what really happen (notice how To Here Knows When sounds like a regular pop song without the distortion?).
Ultimately, I just gotta say keep listening to it. Don't focus so much about what's going on musically, but what feelings the music evokes in you.
>>63516799
As somebody who plays guitar and absolutely loves post-effects/wall of sound/shoegazing, I happen to agree. This record could have been far more interesting, explosive, wacky, wild, etc. but that's not really what it's about. The textures are mildly abrasive, but mostly they're just lilting and lulling, it's like a strange Scottish lullaby. It's a very specific feel, one that only MBV could create. It's a classic m8, but it ain't perfect.
>>63517084
Ignore them. I have a pair of $10 headphones and can still enjoy Loveless on them.
>>63517326
it evokes no emotions
i'm emotionally blocked/dead
>>63517268
Why are you even listening to music?
>>63517256
>£200
What Amp/DAC/cabling are you using
>OP doesn't get Loveless pt. 4,611
>Listen louder
CHECK
>Better gead
CHECK
>Do drugs
CHECK
>Muh textures and background elements
CHECK
>Nothing to get
CHECK
>Maybe it's just not for you
CH-
Oh wait.
>>63516627
Maybe it's just not for you OP.
There. Bases covered, thread done, see you guys again tomorrow.
>>63517413
>cabling
Audiophile cultists please leave.
>>63517413
X2s, don't benefit from amp/DACs. Have also listened to the album on HD600s with a tubular amp and it sounded marginally better
>>63516627
It's not as great as everyone says it is. It's really good, the songs are fairly catchy, but it's not a seminal transcendental experience or anything...
>>63517112
>unexplainably
IT'S INEXPLICABLY YOU DICK
>>63516696
> weed helps
DUDE WEED LMAO
Fuckin degenerate, go back to /r/trees
grossly overrated on here for some fucking reason.
I blame mental fookin illness
>>63517112
>unexplainably
English better not be your first language
>>63516627
better shoegaze exists. i respect the album but find a lot of other shoegaze better
>>63516627
It shouldnt click, he didnt record clicks in it
>>63518754
>weed is degenerate
lel
>>63516696
Disgust.jpg
>>63516627
>album literally sounds like the as told by ginger ending song slowed down by 50%
>>63517084
this is the problem OP. you will never get to appreciate all the textures in your regular headphones. try to listen to it in a car stereo at least.
>>63518819
list some album pls. I need more good shoegaze
>>63519199
it is
>>63519594
Why?
What makes something degenerate?
>>63516627
Don't overthink it. It's actually a really simple Pop/Rock album. It's just kinda difficult to get into because of how noisy and harsh sounding it is at times. Most of the songs are pretty simple and catchy at the core though.
Then again, if it's not clicking because it's too Poppy for you then you probably won't end up enjoying it.
>>63518754
>>63519375
>fedoras who have never smoked weed talk about weed.
Anything with shitloads of fuzz, or is heavily layered will sound much better on marijuana. It alters how the brain perceives sound, and provides a perspective that is outside of normal experience where subtleties in texture aren't noticed.
>>63519594
>Medicinal purposes
>Less harmful than tobacco or alcohol
>Makes everything great, with little to no downside
It isn't. You're just an idiot because you can't differentiate a plant and the false negative stigma that goes with it.
>>63516627
The two types of Loveless fans:
>People who believe When You Sleep is the best track.
>People who actually "get" Loveless
But seriously tho, it's a celebration of sonic textures. You'll never hear music the same way again once it clicks for you. You should be able to see shapes and colors in your head (like Kevin does) once that happens.
It is indeed a transcendental experience. Anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't "get" the album.
Protip: Its gets better with each listen, because the fun is in deconstructing the layers in your head.
>>63519527
Methodrone
>>63520516
I Only Said is clearly the best track, though
When You Sleep is top four
>>63519839
> where subtleties in texture aren't noticed.
but I want to notice them. They're the best part :(
>>63521171
I Only Sleep is hella underrated, but To Here Knows When is the best track on Loveless.
Maybe even the greatest song of all time.
Loveless is best when it's droney.
It's shit.
>he dosent 'get it'
>>63519839
Piss off, if anything the only reason you notice things you didn't hear before it's because you weren't paying attention before. Drugs don't improve music, music improves drugs.
>>63517350
You are emotionally blocked because you see too much shit on the internet
This never caught on with me. I love AnCo's other albums, bu I never saw the appeal in ear splitting beeps.
It takes volume and maybe a couple of listens. I listened to it a few times and then listened to it in bed on headphones high as fuck one of the first times I smoked weed. The physicality of the music is one of my favourite things about it and the textures/tones. The great melodies and songs make it classic but you just have to let it wash over you.
If you're already a fan it sounds amazing on MDMA, acid too but the wall of sound and breathy vocals are perfect when rolling. Kevin Shields even said so.
>>63516696
lmao
dude
>>63517223
>$1500 stereo
woah there
>>63525033
I'm laffin too, m8. But that's prolly cuz I'm baked AF.
>>63523137
Neither did I, but I kept listening to it and it's starting to grow on me. I like it better than Feels now.
>>63522907
retard detected
You should actually try listening at low volumes, especially since you don't have an "audiophile" setup. It's probably the best substitute for drugs in terms of separating layers of sound and detecting changes in timbre.
>>63523137
I actually like the album, but I cannot fucking stand the ear splitting beeps. It literally stands between you and the music, it's so goddamn intrusive. Any avante garde bullshit and artistic direction couldn't convince me that inflicting pain on the listener was a good call to make
First time I listened to Only Shallow I felt like it was so abrasive, but a couple months later I tried it again. At first it felt awkward and suddenly bam it seemed to fit perfectly, and everything afterwards was just great.
As a guitar player, I was amazed at the use of effects and whammy at the time, it was inspirational for me. Also, how the album managed to sound soft yet hard, so to say. It didn't feel sad or happy, but something in between, it's hard to describe.
Perhaps the reason you didn't get it is precisely that - you didn't see all that whole lot regarding the guitar tone, which is the core of the album.
Just leave it aside for a while, and come back some time in the future if you happen to remember of it suddenly, and see if it works.
To Here Knows When may quite possibly be the greatest song of all time. It's the epitome of "beautiful noise". I've never encountered another track that's been able to control emotions through sound so well. It's dreamy, it's sleepy, it's sad, it's scary, but immensely joyful too. It takes on a different sound depending on what state or mood you're in. Sometimes harsh, sometimes calming, sometimes energetic. It's next to impossible to completely pin down all the textures and melodies in the song, so you're just forced to accept it for whatever it is.
>>63523137
I feel the same sort of way about TMR.
If you get some decent headphones (like pic related) and listen to it in FLAC you can vaguely hear Blinda Butcher speaking at the end of the third track. she says something like:
"hahah 20 years from now people will think this is some kind of avant-masterpiece and its just good ol' Kevin hoovering the floor with a couple of reverb pedals."
>>63526444
>decent headphones
>Bose
you aren't worthy of the trips you got
>>63516747
No it isn't.
>>63525524
thats pretentious as fuck
>>63526469
Bose are good just over priced. They're no beats.
>>63519527
Grandfeathered.
I've listened to it 10 times on my $400 headphones still haven't helped. I wish I liked this album.
How did they get a dragon to fit in the studio?
>>63526725
https://gifsound.com/?gifv=6TATIgY&v=DrxAYxMQhnk&s=2
>>63526519
Suggesting something that genuinely works for me is pretentious? I think it was implied that my own setup doesn't cost very much and that I rarely do drugs, else I wouldn't care so much to recreate the experience sober.
>>63516627
It's nothing special.
>>63516747
Hello, plebfriend.
>>63527166
>>63526509
Plz put it on in front on normies and show me their reactions. I can't even get my prog-inclined friends to understand it.
>>63527166
>>63527187
Are you guys fucking with me? There is nothing remarkable or highly complex about this album. It's not difficult to understand, it's just not that special. The vocals are pretty gay too so that could throw people off.
>>63527222
Your post says a lot. I don't think anyone in this thread can take you seriously anymore.
>>63516627
I thought it sounded nice, but I know there's another layer I'm not hearing. That's okay though. I'll probably give it another go sometime.
>>63525930
>implying that the lyrics are not about sex
Also she is cute as fuck.
>>63527253
Why because I know basic music when I see it? This really is nothing impressive.
By modern standards, it's mixed terribly. I know it was semi-intentional, but there's practically no bass, even on a good system.
It's the only good shoegaze album.
It's ok if you don't like it unless you enjoy other shoegaze more than it in which case you're a total pleb.
>>63527267
Lyrics are the last thing you listen to Loveless for, t b h. Although, the fact that To Here Knows When is about a FFM threesome makes it slightly better.
>>63521468
what he means is that in normal experience certain subtleties in texture aren't noticed, which are when affected by marijuana.
>mfw i see plebs
>>63527372
Texture? You mean instrument effects or tone?
>>63527300
Because you don't understand it. It's strength is in its ability to "illustrate" shapes and colors through sound. There's a lot going on that you're probably unable to perceive.
It's not for everyone. I don't expect most Star Wars fans to understand Space Odyssey, and that's just fine. :-)
>>63527432
Exactly this.
>>63527432
You really are trying to sound pretentious as possible. This is basic 5-6 chord rock music with a lot of instrument effects. It's fucking hilarious that you think this is highly complex.
>>63527432
It's funny, there's a lot of this on /mu/. Many of the albums you guys jack yourselves off about appreciating are basic pop and rock songs that use novel effects and tone to sound different. It screams "I don't know much at all about music, but I still think I'm better than everyone"
>>63527479
Buddy, if I could make you see what I see in my head every time I hear Loveless, you'd be crying like a newborn. I've been a musician for most of my life, but hearing Loveless in my early-20s destroyed any preconceived notions I had of what "music" was.
And that was AFTER my IDM and post-rock phase. Loveless permanently altered how I perceive sound. I get that this comes off as pretentious to someone who hasn't experienced it, but trust me, once you finally understand it, life will never be the same.
Especially if you've devoted a great portion of your life to music like I have.
>>63527705
I've been a musician for 10 years. These are basic rock songs you burnout. I seriously can't believe how pretentious you're getting about this basic album.
>>63527732
I am not a professional but you must be such a fucking egoistic douche.
>>63527802
>>63527300 (You)
>Because you don't understand it. It's strength is in its ability to "illustrate" shapes and colors through sound. There's a lot going on that you're probably unable to perceive.
It's not for everyone. I don't expect most Star Wars fans to understand Space Odyssey, and that's just fine. :-)
I'm the egotistical douche?
>>63526519
Nvm, reread that post and I think you're right. Thanks for the (you)
>>63527556
I don't know what to think about this, because it's hard to describe those effects and tones in terms of music theory, and most of those albums aren't stored in written form anyway. So "muh textures" is kind of a valid argument.
>>63527187
It's pretty critically acclaimed so I imagine some normies would enjoy it.
>>63527909
I'm not saying textures is a bad way to describe it, I'm just saying that having different effects than normal doesn't make basic rock music more complicated.
Anyone else see Kevin as a mad orchestra conductor in a beehive on What You Want? He's even got the long frizzy hair.
>>63527834
I didn't respond to you, m8.
Anyhoo. Listen to these and tell me if ANY of them invokes a visual:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB3E0m9xqJU&t=2m32s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na2exyyWkPE&t=20s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcH2iy3HO2A&t=2m31s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjbJ2s_--k&t=6m14s
>>63528131
Hrmm no, but I totally could see him as Erich Zann should anyone want to do a modern retelling of that story.
If you listen to it enough, you should have this moment.
i dont even like shoegaze or female vocalists and i like this album
>>63516627
For me, it's textures are lush and dreamy, really masterful. Beyond that, I do get tired of seeing it plastered everywhere.
>>63528983
Damn, just looked that up. Chillingly fascinating story.
