Daily reminder that this is a #1 album in the country.
Is experimental hip hop taking over?
>>63310799
ex·per·i·men·tal
adjective
(of a work of art or an artistic technique) involving a radically new and innovative style.
"experimental music"
synonyms: innovative, innovatory, new, original, radical, avant-garde, cutting-edge, alternative, unorthodox, unconventional;
>hope this helps
>>63310799
>experimental
it's pretty out there for most casual music listeners maybe, but definitely not experimental. it is, however, very good and I have been listening to it a lot recently so
>>63310799
just because it's bad doesn't make it experimental
>>63310799
I wouldn't say it's experimental but thanks to things like the internet, artists can go out of the norm more often. I'm not gonna say that untitled unmastered is an inaccessible piece of music but it does try to go out of what is expected from mainstream hip hop. As much as I dislike Kanye, his whole gimmick of being a mainstream backpacker is really becoming the norm. I bet if Madvilliany was released today it would be a number 1# record.
>>63310949
>backpacker
wtf does this even mean
lel you plebs and your lingo
>Oooooh he used jazz beats, this is the best album ive ever heard
Fuck outta here with that bullshit, muthaphuckas been doing that shit way before him and much better
>>63310872
So...Kendrick Lamar?
Thanks m8 but we didn't need reminding.
>>63311630
simmer down faggot, back then they mostly sampled jazz shit, this at least has some worthy creativity, only roots and a few others were doing that
People always say his music is "jazzy", and that may be true, but wouldn't that be more on the part of the producers than Kendrick?
>>63311659
How is he experimental? I don't listen to much hip hop, but I listened to tpab and his new thing, and I don't get why it's such a big deal
>>63311630
>and much better
Like who? TCQ??
>>63311767
> I don't listen to much hip hop
so you're missing a reference point
>>63311659
I would not at all call his music "experimental" in the slightest
So... did Kendrick Lamarr just get what is essentially a JAZZ record to the number one Billboard spot in America in the year 2016?
my AOTY so far, but if you think this is experimental go suck a dick
>>63311824
Well, when I say that, I mean I don't listen to much hip hop anymore. I used to be a hiphop fan. I listened to Cannibal Ox, mf doom, earl, danny brown etc. When I first heard about Kendrick I just wrote him off, and shortly after stopped listening to hip hop, but I gave those two albums and the Barter 6 when I saw them getting praise, but none of them did anything for me.
So I repeat the question
>>63311875
Big deal.
David Bowie beat him to the top spot with a Jazz Rock multimedia performance art piece set around his own death. Looks like K Dot was taking notes tho. I'll give him props for that.
>>63312087
>yfw Blackstar was inspired by Kendrick lamar's previous album from last year, which also hit #1
>>63310908
this tbqhf
>>63310799
wow it's boring
>>63312087
>Looks like K Dot was taking notes tho. I'll give him props for that.
Except Bowie listed TPAB as one of Blackstar's inspirations and the large majority of untitled unmastered was TPAB demos that were recorded before Blackstar (in some cases YEARS before)
>>63310799
>experimental
>>63310799
>having an 'empty' cover like the Beatles to make your record seem more classic or noteworthy
>doesn't even make sense like with Kanye's Yeezus being without cover
typical ghetto behavior
>>63312405
Holy shit, I just noticed that ISN'T a stale pizza slice.
>>63312433
I thought it was a dorito, but now that you say that, It actually does look like a slice of pizza from behind.
The low standards of hip hop fans never fails to astound
>>63312433
>>63312453
It's a potato you mongs
>>63310799
>experimental hip hop
>>63312617
It's a drum you goofman. I'm sick of this potato meme
>>63310799
Yes its march 2016 and RAppermans aka Nile Crame is taking over.
Have a wonderful evening,
RApperman aka Niles Crame
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s01iGLXYPG16
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0YEF0GQ2xmm
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1rhry4hl2BR
>>63312643
>kiwi
How do you think Kanye feels now that Kendrick has totally diverted attention away from his already mediocre album?
>>63312878
the moment you pleb autists stop taking that overrated hack kanye seriously and mentioning him is the moment /mu/ becomes less of a joke
>>63311918
litsen 2 some Guru and Gangstarr
>>63313184
Is that a genuine rec or just something that you think will make me like Kendrick? Like I said, I don't enjoy hip hop that much anymore
I'll give them a listen either way
>>63313138
Kendrick is just as overrated and has even worse of a voice. They both fucking suck, and you are just as much of a pleb.
>>63313423
Nah Kendrick's a great rapper and has great producers
>>63310799
It just means that it can no longer be considered experimental, if it ever could have been.
>>63313423
not really
>>63313423
the fuck was vivec doing with skooma
that pic should be m'aiq, he's the true fiend
>>63312617
It's not that hard to see it s a tambourine
>>63313423
Yeah exactly, music can't be good if more than a few hundred people listen to it
>>63313423
>and has even worse of a voice
are you kidding
kendrick switches it up a lot of the time and can pull off many types of delivery, from very animated to laid-back. kanye is just shit on all cylinders and his singing is laughable
>>63313767
>>63312643
>>63312617
retards, it's a face in the hole board that you stick your face in
>>63313813
He's nasally as fuck and sounds like he always has a cold.
Can someone tell me when Jazz Rap became experimental Hip-hop? I thought experimental was stuff like clipping.
>>63313719
Vivec is a hermaphrodite. Don't hate.
>>63313813
But a lot of rappers can do that. All his acclaim is due to his producers
>>63313842
What does /mu/ think of shabazz palaces? way more "experimental" whatever that means, than kendrick.
its neither good or very experimental so who cares
Kamasi is the reason this project is goat. Kendrick is 7/10 but the beats are 9.7/10
>>63314120
>All his acclaim is due to his producers
not true by the way
>>63310917
I think its okay but I love this post
>>63314186
So you're baiting in complete sentences now?
>>63314200
Explain to me why it isn't
>>63313880
that shit has nothing to do with his status as a non-drug user
Caius Cosades was a bigger fiend than him
>>63314328
the burden of proof is on you retard
>>63314337
Fuck off you n'wah. Go smoke some skooma, you filthy Argonian.
>>63314394
Kendrick is an average lyricist with a below average voice, and a maybe slightly above average flow with the added gimmick of having "conscious" lyrics. Most of the praise I've seen never is given to his voice or lyrics. They're sometimes given to his flow, but most of the valid praise that his work is given is given to the production. So often do we see people call it "jazzy". As much as I don't really like his album, Kasami Washington did a great job in production, and so did all the other producers, who themselves are acclaimed.
Imagine if Kendrick rapped over beats as mediocre as his voice. He'd be nothing.
Kerndrick is at most a gimmicky slightly above average rapper, while his production crew shoulder the heavy load of making the music tolerable and, depending on your taste, even enjoyable
>>63314498
>
u must be one of those "false incarnates" i've heard so much about
>>63314578
>average x
>below average y
>slightly above average z
that's when i stopped reading
>>63311875
Why do people act like this is the first time anyone in the mainstream has ever mixed jazz into another genre?
>>63314655
>implying you know how to read
>>63314655
>>63314800
witness me
>>63314655
I'm glad you're so mature and able to read an argument even though it says something you didn't like. What would you say? That he's fantastic on all fronts, because that simply isn't true. I mean those three categories are vague, but you can still place value on them. Or was it the wording you didn't like? Would you rather I said he was an ok lyricist with shitty voice and decent flow? How can I make this argument experience more comfortable for you?
>>63314578
>Kendrick is an average lyricist with a below average voice, and a maybe slightly above average flow
Define "average" in terms of lyricism, voice and flow
>>63314841
>mature
lel it's hard to take you seriously when you present arguments like a dumb high school kid
>>63314910
Average probably wasn't the best choice of words, but I mean what I say. By average I just mean on the same level of most other relevant rappers. In terms of lyricism, he's about as good as most rappers, but he's nothing remarkable. In terms of flow, he is something a bit remarkable, and is better than a lot of rappers. In terms of voice, his nasally register is outright worse than most rappers.
But of course all of this is subjective.
>>63314946
>calling me a high school kid when you can't even be helped to actually argue
I'm open to having my views changed, but just close the thread my man
>>63315063
you said all his acclaim is due to his producers and such and such is average, below average, etc. your opinions are elementary, you actually think i'm supposed to take you serious? also gkmc has mediocre production yet is highly acclaimed and it's because of the rapping. oh and i don't care to change your views on this
>>63311630
there hasn't been a jazz rap album as good as tpab in over 15 years
>>63315645
madvillainy isn't jazz rap?
>>63315367
GKMC is nowhere near as acclaimed or praised as TPaB is. My opinions are elementary? Exactly how deep do you think hip hop is? His acclaim, or at least his most recent and greatest acclaim, is that of TPaB, which was a labour of love in the hands of the producers, and I'm not the only one who believes that.
You aren't even really arguing with me right now, you're just responding to tone. If you aren't trying to change my view, then why are you even arguing?
You're so vehemently defending Kendrick as being the true talent behind all of his work, when it was, in fact, a shared effort between he and his producers
>>63315734
its not
>>63315756
and musicians. On a lot of songs I think thundercat is the true star.
>>63315734
No. It's good, but it's not jazz rap
>>63315756
>You're so vehemently defending Kendrick as being the true talent behind all of his work
no i wasn't you sperg, i'm just calling you out because you're claiming it's the opposite or saying all his praise his due to his producers
>GKMC is nowhere near as acclaimed or praised as TPaB
you must be delusional. and i simply said gkmc is highly acclaimed, mainly due to the story/rapping
>>63315784
>>63315830
the best song on the album is though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS1cggllfig
Why didn't he just finish the album and release it as an actual album instead of just a bunch of random unfinished demos from TPAB? Pretty lazy desu
>>63316075
it would be more lazy to pass off another album's leftovers as a real album
>>63316075
That's not the point of the album. It's just a compilation of unfinished work and outtakes. I'm glad he kept it at that instead of trying to release them as anything more than that
>>63315956
Fine, I guess I was hyperbolizing, but most of the credit for TPaB should go to the production.
You must be the delusional one if you think that gkmc received praise comparable to TPaB. gkmc is seen as good, but TPaB is regarded as an instant classic, album of the decade etc. I wasn't saying that you said gkmc received the same praise. I was just saying that, while you were right, it was acclaimed and had mediocre production, it isn't receiving the same praise that TPaB did, and the reason for that is the production value. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
If your point in this argument is that Kendrick deserves more praise than the producers for TPaB, you're wrong. He certainly deserves some, because he did set the tone for the album (in a way that, in my opinion, is gimmicky, but that's just me), but the majority should be to the production crew
>>63316075
To get it out of the way and move on to some new ideas for an actual album
>>63316183
>If your point in this argument is that Kendrick deserves more praise than the producers for TPaB, you're wrong.
but that's not my point in all this, like i said, i'm only calling you out on your hyperbole
>>63311158
This is a pretty common term. Maybe you're the pleb
>>63316267
If it's common then you're actually the pleb, fuckin pleb
>>63316262
Well then I apologize for hyperbolizing
>>63316183
GKMC got a crazy amount of praise in the hip hop community. It was like regarded as the modern day illmatic
>>63316422
it's cool, lets fuck
>>63315063
>In terms of lyricism, he's about as good as most rappers
I have to disagree. Kendrick pens some absolutely great lines. His style has a poetic edge compared to most other rappers and his ability to carry concepts and themes throughout an album tastefully is quite remarkable.
>>63315827
Dap on that. Honestly I think him fucking w/ Kendrick has been his best career move to date.
>>63315827
>>63316911
Thundercat made Wesley's Theory GOAT-tier. Why he can't play like that on Flylo's albums?
>>63314156
love Shabazz Palaces. It's a shame Lese Majesty didnt seem to get much buzz, as I think it's fantastic. More experimental than Kendrick, though I enjoy both
>>63314578
>Kendrick is an average lyricist with a below average voice, and a maybe slightly above average flow with the added gimmick of having "conscious" lyrics.
The hipster is so fucking strong in you, jesus
You can't be "average" if you're making writing and ability to change your flow.
>Imagine if Kendrick rapped over beats as mediocre as his voice. He'd be nothing.
Production and rapping goes hand in hand. Give me a good lyricist with a shitty beat
>>63317508
>Give me a good lyricist with a shitty beat
Kool AD before he left Das Racist
>>63317001
I wish he would just play as well as he can on his solo stuff instead of flex his poor falsetto and make bleep bloops with his bass
>>63317508
>Production and rapping goes hand in hand. Give me a good lyricist with a shitty beat
Nas
>>63317551
90s Nas is fine, production and all
>>63312304
And Death Grips apparently
>>63317551
Nastradamus and Streets Disciples wasn't shit because of just for its beats
>>63316792
>carry concepts and themed
I actually agree with you on that
>>63317508
>You can't be average if you're making writing and ability to change flow
I don't quite understand what you mean, can you explain?
By "average" I really meant in terms of relevant rappers and not all the shitty ones. A good metaphor is to say that an NBA player is average. Sure, he's average in the league, but way better than anybody outside of it. Even though I'm calling Kendrick average at lyricism I can agree that he is better than the large majority of rappers.
>>63310799
>experimental
are autistic hiphopfags taking over?
>>63317787
>did autistic hiphopfags take over?
ftfy
And yes
>average lyricist
>sing about me I'm dying of thirst not one of the most moving tracks in all of hip-hop
Yeah okay
If you feel this way I'm genuinely sorry for you.
>>63317806
true
it'd ease the pain at least a little bit if hiphopfags actually knew anything about their respective genre. i guess they are autistic, after all
>>63310908
Do rap fans not realize that all rap music is easily accessible to all young teenagers in the world? It's children's pop music, there's nothing weird about it.
>>63317787
>>63317806
>>63317851
OP here.
It was obviously b8
>>63311740
wow you got pretty pissed there, defending your shit opinion
>>63317955
ok haha
>>63315645
>>there hasn't been a jazz rap album as good as tpab in over 15 years
>people actually believe this
the fuck
>>63317884
>there's nothing weird about it
clouddead is legitimately weird
>>63317635
>where the FUCK did monday go?!?!?!
>>63310917
laughed
Kendrick will go down in history for inventing experimental jazz-rap. What an incredible time we live in for music. There wasn't been a more influential artist since the 60's.
>>63318235
Here's your (you)
>>63317693
>By "average" I really meant in terms of relevant rappers and not all the shitty ones.
But there are shitty rappers that are considered on the same level as Kendrick. But with Kendrick, he's one of the few rappers that actually uses "bars" to his music
>>63318235
This is either bait or huge tard, however UU and TPAB are innovative and puts in quality without the need of generic catch hooks and trap beats
>>63310799
Something I realized about this album is that the song themselves are really really dope and the beats are really and uniqiue and nothing like I heard before but any introduction is just shit tier so this becomes a 6.5/10 except and 8/10.
>>63311630
Lol show me a rapper who could make a track over the changes of a jazz standard (unrealsed 5 is based off of Nardis). That's pretty insane he made that work.
>>63314578
>Imagine if Kendrick rapped over beats as mediocre as his voice. He'd be nothing.
So underproduced records with a significantly smaller budget?
See Section 80. Still an 8/10 in its own right.
Try again
>>63318235
>>63318486
You guys are retards. Some of you say nothing can be considered "innovative" if the same chords were used or it was even moderately genre-fused or the same drum kit was used.
Like hop off ffs
>>63311659
kill yourself
>>63310799
>hip hop
>experimental
pick one
>>63320000
what a waste of quads
the big black cock is taking over your country so you best start prepping your wife and your son
>>63314337
Vivec was literally a hermaphrodite prostitute who got picked up by Nerevar.
When he betrayed Nerevar and attained godhood he tried to fuck nearly everything on Nirn. If having sex parties with Molag Bal isn't degenerate I don't know what is.
>>63311659
>>63318527
Big L, Nas, Atcq and many more
>>63320978
show the songs and standards they based it on then.
>>63314578
see this
>>63317813
>>63310799
>>63311659
>experimental
>>63316075
>hey I'm 16 guys!
B-sides have been a thing for a very long time anon
>>63318104
Prove me wrong then
I love you anon
