The best jazz albums of all time according to you.
the best
I really like this one. The Egg in particular blows me away. Tony Williams' playing is incredible.
Tough choice between this and Night Dreamer but I marginally prefer this one
that one where that guy goes "COLTRANE! COLTRANE!" *drum rolls* *sax solo*
>>63265929
Isn't that all of them?
>>63266003
i wish..
>>63265891
fucking love kamasi washington
>>63267380
this is the actual right answer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYcZ4M0uroA&list=FLYuS9DVsIbkKcQ2_IK7e2lg&index=67
afrobeat from the netherlands. never heard anything like it
>>63267777
i don't think there's a right answer
>>63267777
I checked these quads
>>63265891
I just can't into those vocal tracks.
>>63265891
>>63265908
>>63265928
>>63265929
>>63266003
>>63266019
>>63266043
>>63266114
>>63267380
>>63267777
>>63267932
>>63267957
>>63267992
>>63268029
>>63268131
>listening to jazz
![MI0001779652[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4qtaQJa.jpg "MI0001779652[1].jpg")
>>63268201
*plebs listening to jazz
>>63268201
>not listening to jazz
Metalfag detected.
I love ice cream, I love ice cream, I love ice cream, I love ice cream
>>63265891
>Memethony Memetano
GOAT NOBODY CAN TOP
>>63268973
It's either this or In a Silent Way. Really don't care for Kind of Blue
>>63268973
This is my favorite
i'm being honest here, memes aside, this is the greatest album ever made.
this is just fucking incredible, once you get into it theres no turning back
>>63268238
top
>>63268973
it really isnt that good, quite mediocre actually
>>63269418
tell us how master
>>63269404
Thank
>>63265841
>>63265908
>>63269334
These and All the early Herbie Hancock is gold and even some in the fusion category are pretty good
I'm listening to pic related.
>>63269496
boring and lifeless with no sense of melody. it sounds like hes playing notes for the sake of playing notes
>>63269404
Lol this album is absolute shit-tier u cunt
>>63269596
'no'
>>63269613
Explain then lol u pseudo hipster faggot
>>63269631
terrible terrible terrible taste in jazz
>>63269709
Enlighten us then
my go to has always been Time control by hiromi Uehara
>>63269768
well Armstrong and Davis are better than literally everything you called "awesome" so you're basically DOA
>>63270057
b-but some of the albums he rated as awesome were by david...
>>63270105
the shitty rockist ones
>>63268973
was a love supreme originally recorded in mono? i'm trying to figure out which is the version i should listen to
>>63269334
listening to this now. love it.
>>63268238
yeeeee
>>63268255
>implying metal fans don't listen to jazz
You never met any metal fan outside of that slipknot kid in middle school right?
Are there any good definitive books/sites about jazz? I've only become interested lately and I'd like to learn. Particularly 1960s and onwards including the more experimental kinds of jazz
>>63265841
My personal favourite jazz album. I know it's entry level, but I especially like the arrangements of Theme from Lolita and Theme from Lawrence of Arabia.
jazz is not album music desu
>>63267380
>>63267777
seriously? out of all the jazz that came out THIS is the best? you guys must be high
>>63269555
kek you pretty much described the opposite of it
YOU FUCKING PLEBS
>>63269555
>A Love Supreme
>Boring and lifeless
>>63273737
YOU FUCKING PLEBS
>>63265841
>>63265908
>>63267992
>>63268973
>>63269334
>>63269404 (Best one ITT)
These are my favs
King Curtis- Live at Fillmore West
Miles Davis- Kind of Blue
Dave Brubeck Group- Time Out
Charlie Mingus- Mingus Ah Um
Louis Armstrong- Louis Armstrong Plays W.C. Handy
Fela Kuti- Zombie
>>63273871
>Fela Kuti- Zombie
Great album, but not jazz.
>>63269404
This and LIVE EVIL.
>>63271434
who gives a shit if it's entry level, you should never justify have your tastes in music
Probably my personal favorite
last tango in paris ost album
>>63265891
Do patrician jazz fans even like this? I've only heard entry level jazz albums but this seemed markedly inferior even to those.
>>63265908
>>63267992
>>63268973
>>63269334
>>63269404
>>63273151
These are in my top 10
>>63274330
This. Fela Kuti was surely influenced by jazz, but his genre was afrobeat. He even coined the term.
Objectively.
>>63273151
>>63273737
>>63274437
they're shit
>>63274479
If you're a pleb.
>>63274481
Reinhardt and Grappelli are fantastic.
>>63274488
no, they're only good if you're a tryhard.
big wow, such dissonance, so chaos. There's a reason free jazz is completely dead, and it's because no one wants to listen to it. Those albums are only important as landmarks in the musical progression of the genre. They are not the best jazz albums of all time by an absolute mile, and people who think they are get their ideas about jazz from rym ratings
suck it, pleb
>>63265891
>>63274439
The fact that so many books still name Kamasi Washington as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" jazz musician ever only tells you how far jazz music still is from becoming a serious art. Rock critics have long recognized that the greatest rock musicians of all times are Kurt Cobaine and the Beatles, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Meme hip hop critics rank the highly controversial Viper over classical rappers who were highly popular on Soundcloud. Jazz critics are still blinded by commercial success. Kamasi Washington sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore he must have been the greatest. Rock critics grow up listening to a lot of rock music of the past, meme hip hop critics grow up listening to a lot of meme music of the past. Jazz critics are often totally ignorant of the jazz music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Kamasi Washington did anything worthy of being saved.
>>63274544
If you think that about Free Jazz, fine, but what has that got to do with The Shape of Jazz to Come?
>>63274544
So you're telling me I can't enjoy whatever I want because you say so?
>>63274439
I only posted it as bait because usually just the mention of it is enough to rile some people up on here. However almost all the response was positive this time, so /mu/ must be coming around to it. I do consider it quite good though, obviously it's different from older jazz as it's coming from a totally different place, I can see how if you were into traditional styles it could throw you off. Personally my favourite jazz album is Headhunters.
>>63274544
Nice generalization of a whole genre.
Maybe not the best, but one of the most enjoyable
>around 40 albums posted
>no monk
:(
also friendly reminder:
entry level =/= bad
>>63267992
>>63269334
>>63273737
>>63273823
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>>63274415
nice picks friends
>>63274615
sorry dude i love that album but it isn't jazz for sure
>>63274544
>They are not the best jazz albums of all time by an absolute mile, and people who think they are get their ideas about jazz from rym ratings
What? Those albums are universally acclaimed.
>>63274637
that's not even the best monk though (misterioso)
>>63274637
i was thinking the same thing. monk has to be my favorite jazzmen
>>63274725
jazzman**, sorry.
I only like jazz when it's melodic and catchy, but half the time it sounds like they're fucking around.
>>63274710
>tfw haven't listened to it
I'm REALLY behind on live albums. But here's a favorite.
>>63274725
He's one of my favorite pianists for sure. Everything I've heard by him is worth a shot.
>>63274775
If you liked Monk's Dream you'll especially enjoy Misterioso or atleast find it very interesting since it's also a quartet, playing pretty different tunes. But the main thing is that the group in Misterioso plays way more spontaneous (probably has something to it being live), and the musicians play very different as well. Main differences are between the two Sax players. Johnny Griffin (Misterioso) just fires up with crazy lines and melodic lines all the way. He's much more into the tradition and his sound is also less abrasive than Charlie Rouses'. I mean, Charlie Rouse is probably the only Sax player playing so close to monk so to me it's less interesting hearing such similiar players, especially since monk is so unique. But Johnny Griffin gives him that contrast and it just becomes bad ass as hell. Check it out my man. Also Roy Haynes is more reactive than Frankie Dunlop but both of them are top tier.
>>63274835
MAH NIGGA
>>63274775
Trying to get into Keith's discography. I've listened to The Köln Concert, but thought it was pretty underwhelming and bland. Changless is a good way to change my opinions about him?
Pic related it's my all time jazz record.
>>63274774
jazz was a pain in the ass to get into for me
I don't see this talked about very much but this is probably one of my favorites
>>63274774
>>63274880
This is pretty normal to anyone already used to rock or any production-wise music. For me, what it worked was I had to pay carefuly attention to what is IN the music (interplay, solos and general melodie/concept). Also, I sticked with fewer albums... eventually, I got into it. When it does, you can't leave anymore. The first jazz album I fell in love was Maiden Voyage by Hancock. Anyway, if you're really instered, give yourself a couple of more chances. Cool jazz and modal may be a good entry.
Embarrassing thread t b h
>>63274972
>Also, I sticked with fewer albums.
That's the most important thing. And make sure you pay attention to something in each listen. Focusing on each instrument in every listen is a great way to get more into Jazz. Personally I don't do it enough because i'm lazy but ideally you want to listen to each album you like many times, each time focusing on a different aspect (like interplay, or a certain instrument, or just the solos). That's how you should listen to Jazz. And with less distractions as possible too.
Also posting Duke. What's everyone's favorite Duke album?
>>63274855
sounds p nice
my backlog is full as hell but I'll try to go for it next time I wanna listen to some Monk
>>63274869
Maybe not, I can see it being labeled as boring if you don't like the Köln concert. It's very emotional but pretty low key
>>63274835
gr8 pick
>>63275015
This.
>>63275109
I won't post Money Jungle because it's too obvious. He might be one the greatest and most recognized musician, composer and bandleader of the XX century, but sometimes I feel like his piano play is underrated. He should have more solos/piano trio albums. Also:
>The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse is a hell of an album.
>>63275109
Man my duke knowlege is so shit. I never went really into any of his albums but I got a chronlogical album of his from 39/40 and it's pretty cool I just gotta listen to it more.
What's your favorite Duke period?
best criss cross albums?
>>63274518
nice choice
>>63275407
you have already chosen it. :)
I know pic related is a meme, but it is actually good
>>63275461
This is maybe the most playful jazz album I've ever heard.
>>63275289
I know right. There's a few albums here and there but most of the time he goes kinda unnoticed because there's a full ensemble playing.
>>63275337
Haven't listened to a lot either considering all he's released. Not sure about the era, I like a lot he's put from all decades: The Blanton-Webster Band for the 40s, Such Sweet Thunder and Black, Brown and Beige for the 50s, Monkey Jungle and Piano in the Background for the 60s and New Orleans Suite and Afro-Eurasian Eclipse for the 70s. So much good stuff.
>>63275407
I like Exception to the Rule and also >>63275517
>>63275550
What is exception to the rule?
![5839133[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/beyLMsD.jpg "5839133[1].jpg")
dis
>>63275109
>favorite Duke album?
Only ones I have are Never No Lament (the Columbia collection featuring the entire Blanton-Webster band) and a set called Early Ellington which has all the Brunswick and Vocalion sides from 1926-31. Both of them are excellent in their own way.
>>63275517
>>63275882
Why are contemporary jazz album portraits so bad?
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet
Braxton has praised Giuffre before. Just check out some of Braxton's early quartet work and the resemblance is uncanny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCHe_LK2Tg8
HOT RATS BITCH
>>63274581
Jazz fans are just tired of complaining about it I guess.
It's certainly not something /jazz/ ever discusses but there's also no reason to go telling people to not enjoy something. It's not as if fans of it actually post in proper jazz threads so it's not bothering anyone.
>>63276178
ECM has some pretty nice album arts, anon
>>63276638
I think the main issue with that album is that it makes people think it's really innovative and like kamasi is the new coltrane or something when in fact he didn't really bring anything new to jazz and his playing is not close in any way imaginable to trane. It's just infuriating when people say it's bringing jazz to life. I mean, it does make jazz popular and cool again so in that sense it's true, but jazz is pretty far from dead as there are a lot of great musicians doing new stuff and I don't think Kamasi is one. Just shit like Fantano saying if it's not in your jazz list, you don't have a jazz list. That kind of mentality makes a lot of people have negative feelings towards it.
>>63275407
Is late Chet actually good? I thought the heroin addiction had fucked him up real bad.
>>63276790
Not him, but fuck yea. Chet's Choice is a personal favorite of mine.
>>63274869
try this.
>>63265841
The best jazz album is usually the album I listened to the day before. There are so many to choose from. Yesterday I listened to Dippin' by Mobley, his version of Recado Bossa is just delicious. Good memorable solos throughout the whole album.
>>63277184
Have you got recommendations for electric Jarrett recordings?
>>63277184
gonna give it a try
>>63277244
same as me. I'm really bad at choosing favs. And Dippin' is indeed huge
>>63276829
This
>>63276178
Because only kids care about that and good jazz musicians would rather spend their efforts making good music instead of creating an image that appeals to kids.
>>63265841
Perfection
>>63277492
lol that's so not true. Most jazz musicians cared a lot about covers and mostly clothing. being hip was a very important aspect of being a jazz player.
>>63277492
>they play jazz 24/7 so they have no time for other stuff in their lives like what art to put in their album
Yeah sure.
>>63277540
Past tense
Anyone here into Al DiMeola's stuff? GOAT jazz guitarist
>>63277581
Yea well I think there's a lot of wrong things about a genre if the artists don't give a shit how they look like to their fans. That's mostly about style and clothing than covers, but having people like that just makes jazz looks like a genre for white nerds when it's quite the opposite. To play good Jazz you need to dress good and look good.
Been listeting to that one a lot lately.
>>63277687
>To play good Jazz you need to dress good and look good.
lol how's high school?
>>63277687
>To play good Jazz you need to dress good and look good.
Not listening to nudist jazz, it's 2016 man, come on!
>>63277866
>>63277874
fags. look at jazz players. those who weren't high on dope all the time looked fine as hell. Obviously there are exceptions and not all jazz players were good dressers. But overall to fit in the jazz scene of the 40's/50's/60's, unless you played as good as bird or trane you had to look fine or people would straight up laugh at you. Jazz is music made by cool people with style most of the times. It's made by strong individuals not some pussy ass nerds.
>>63273737
>band has two quartets
>>63277687
>To play good Jazz you need to dress good and look good.
>>63278002
>>63277687
This is correct, except the jazz musicians still looked good when balls fucking high. That's how much they cared about style.
>>63278022
Basically two mono albums for the price of one stereo album.
>>63278002
This was true, until white nerds hijacked the genre and ruined everything.
White men are truly cancer.
>>63277687
Shit I wasted so much time practicing to get good at jazz when all I needed to do was buy a blazer and some sunglasses.
>>63274462
This
>>63278002
>those who weren't high on dope all the time looked fine as hell
>implying the ones who were high all the time didn't look fine as hell also
>>63278002
Maybe from an American point of view.
>>63278116
It's funny because you can actually say that without having the offended brigade on your ass, but if you turned it around and said black women are cancer, people would jump you immediately.
Of course not here on /sfl/ - Stormfront Lite, but in much of the web and world.
>>63278116
White men didn't hijack it, black men just let it bleed to death.
>>63278002
Okay this guy is obviously putting his argument across really badly, but I don't think it's unreasonable to criticise modern jazz album covers. Blue Note and ECM made their records look slick as hell, you'd think modern labels like Criss Cross could've learnt from that.
Although not all classic jazz albums had great art...
>>63278122
Being a good jazz musician is a lot more than just practice. You need to have a certain state of mind and bring a lot from yourself. If you just wasted all your time practicing without developing your individuality and personality and you're just a nerd who can't dress and can't talk to other jazz musicians you'll never make it. I'm not saying practicing is not important, it's the most important thing. But being able to communicate with other people and make yourself look and act cool is also a big part of it.
>>63278116
That's not my point. But it does have a lot to do with Jazz becoming so academic.
>>63278002
Mingus is generally considered one of jazz's greatest artists both on 4chan and with critics and he was a fat slob who dressed like shit
>>63278218
>that neckbeard
God fucking dammit I loved Sonny Rollins.
Fuck you.
>>63278161
pls don't get me started on european jazz... Thankfully it gotten a lot better now when it started.
>>63278246
rude
>>63278246
Yet he was charismatic and had a great voice.
>>63278246
As I said there are exceptions. Trane and Bird being some as well. But as you can see those three really had excpetional talent. Most Jazz musicians during that time were really into dressing and looking sharp. That's just a fact. I don't know how someone can make the point that style is not important in Jazz or music in general for that matter. If you want to work with other people you got to know how to communicate and how to make yourself visually interesting.
>>63278225
>That's not my point. But it does have a lot to do with Jazz becoming so academic.
>implying white people started that
>>63268973
>>63271392
>>63274429
Olatunji is the apotheosis of Coltrane, and you're a plebeian if you disagree: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHgZVx2Y-d0
>>63275407
>>63278218
Criss Cross album covers are actually really similar to Blue Note's and they almost definitely took Blue Note's style into consideration when designing their look. Even if you don't like it you do have to admit that Criss Cross covers are recognizable and distinctive.
>all this rockist jazz
lmao
>>63278435
The Criss Cross covers I have seen (not many) remind me more of some of Columbia's covers from the early sixties, just with less photogenic people on them.
>>63278323
I think as a musician I'd really rather aspire to be recognized for my exceptional talent and not because of what I was wearing.
post great album covers
>>63278220
How can we get the black audience back?
>>63278323
>As I said there are exceptions. Trane and Bird being some as well.
Not so sure about Bird, but Trane dressed like a boss...
Last few days I've been obssessed with this.
The phrasing is just so damn good.
>>63278482
And shit fonts.
>>63265841
Giant Steps by John Coltrane
>current best dressed man in jazz?
Tim Warfield
>who does Tim Warfield record almost exclusively for?
Criss Cross
Interesting
>>63278603
Dizzy's vocals on the first track are statistically speaking the happiest sound known to man.
>>63278637
>those glasses
>that suit
I don't think so buddy.
>>63278435
This pretty much. Some Criss Cross covers are strikingly similar to classic Blue Note covers.
>>63277687
>>63278002
I think this guy has a point. Jazz wasn't all about its music. It was a cultural movement and dressing good was part of it. Also, I've been reading some biographies and interviews about Thelonious Monk, and it seems this guy fails at some things you've mentioned: both socially and communicatively. Guy was a weirdo.
>>63278674
meant to include this
>>63278619
I'm a Jarret man myself
(postin is hard)
>>63278637
And yet his album sleeves look like the front cover of a free magazine...
>>63278548
>>63278752
which is why only fools judge music, books, or magazines by their covers
Why does jazz have such a high rate for great cover art
It's not just Blue Note albums that have good art either
>>63278738
>>63278619
Smooth jazz is obviously the best though.
I can't post images but can we all agree Caravanserai is a GOAT Latin Fusion album?
>>63268201
>not listening to a genre far greater than rock
cockgoblin
>>63278953
Obviously Bitches Brew and a lot of other Miles, The Epic is great, Third by Soft Machine is cunting magnifique (if that counts as pure jazz), Hiromi has some great albums (Alive, Brain), Romantic Warrior by Return to Forever, Hot Rats has already been mentioned so I'm saying Grand Wazoo on this one because Zappa.
TPAB duh.
>>63279055
>all this memejazz
Hiromi is GOAT tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7I2bvqwKFg
>come in jazz thread
>it's all people arguing about the musicians clothes and album art
>>63278738
>>63278934
>>63278619
out of curiosity, what's the difference between smooth jazz and cool jazz?
>>63279102
smooth jazz is white people making elevator music
cool jazz is black people making elevator music
>>63279146
makes sense
what is jazz
Unit Structures by Cecil Taylor
>>63279102
>smooth jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwEm03vrUE
>cool jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aINbV49iBMM
>>63279146
lel
>>63279102
smooth jazz is influenced by funk and r&b among other stuff (and imo, it's cheesier for the most part)
>>63279097
If you're looking for jazz discussion you should try the blindfold threads on Fridays
>>63274444
Checked and kekked :)
Also severely underrated album
Are these any good? Also which edition is the best? I've heard people say the latest is shit compared to the 8th and 9th.
>>63279531
best cover
>>63278915
I was really asking this
>>63279146
Cool jazz was the whitest jazz in its heydey
>>63265841
why does davis look like a rare pepe
is it a jazz thing
>>63279693
no
no it's not
>>63279646
>tfw they don't make covers like this anymore
Also amazing album
Does anyone have any good recs for Gypsy Jazz/Swing that isn't Django or Grappelli?
>>63279944
try those two, they're by a french group called Opa Tsupa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwP8gHWdiqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuFiBjNTB9o
how did we skip chick corea and bobby mcferrin? and play's cover art???
>>63276753
Yeah but this is all pretty well established and doesn't need to be rehashed.
bamp
top 3 coltrane albums. title track is goat
>>63282108
Iv'e always wondered what Trane would've done in the fusion era if he hadn't died. If Meditations was amazing imagine what he would've done.
>>63282108
I always thought that McCoy Tyner was absolutely stellar in that album.
Not like Coltrane wasn't great as always, but he was just out of this world.
Gnu High
Kenny Wheeler
Keith Jarret
Jack DeJohnette
Dave Holland
Bill Evans The Tokyo Concert, 1974 I think, one of the best
>>63282464
oh absolutely. i've been telling people that forever
>>63278520
Style is a reflection of personal confidence. If you don't care about how you look and who you are, why should anyone else?
>>63269555
Boring and lifeless, are you fucking kidding me.
>>63283604
>Style is a reflection of personal confidence.
True
>If you don't care about how you look and who you are, why should anyone else?
Your "style" and "how you look" is only one small part of "who you are" (hopefully).
>>63269555
>it sounds like hes playing notes for the sake of playing notes
It sounds like you haven't actually listened to the album very attentively.
>>63269642
work on your shitposts bro
