Why do most of the best rock artists come from the UK? Considering America is the cultural and economic center of the world, you would think most of the best bands would come from the US.
Radiohead, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, King Crimson, My Bloody Valentine, David Bowie, Black Sabbath, Joy Division, The Smiths, The Clash, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Cream, The Yardbirds, Soft Machine, and Led Zeppelin all started in the UK.
So it is obvious the UK has most of the worlds best rock bands. The US definitely has better jazz and rap artists though. Why is this?
>>62543484
nice balding
cherry picking
you could make a similar list of American bands if you wanted
>>62543556
No, you literally could not
US culture is unfortunately less conducive to inspiration and creativity. Not much more to it than that.
>>62543556
Let's have it
xd
>>62543654
/thread
>>62543689
Metallica, Beach Boys, Velvet Underground, Bob Dylan, The Doors, Neutral Milk Hotel, Zappa, Captain Beefheart, Talking Heads, Neil Young, Slint, The Stooges, Pixies, Nirvana, Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Swans, Byrds, Korn
>>62543484
Not a single truly great writer or filmmaker has come from America, so it should come as no surprise that they don't produce great music either.
>>62543484
>America is cultural center of the world
yeah, sure
>>62543612
The Velvet Underground, Nirvana, Talking Heads, The Ramones, Bruce Springsteen, The Stooges, The Beach Boys, R.E.M., The Doors, The Grateful Dead, Metallica, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Pixies, Guns N Roses, The Allman Brothers Band, Jimi Hendrix
Now I don't necessarily like all of those bands/artists but I think they fit the general idea that you're going for (varying genres/eras, influential, popular, etc).
>>62543484
Is this dude doing porn now?
>>62543484
it all has to do with the holy roman order
>>62543852
well a lot of European filmmakers and writers would disagree with you
>>62543848
> Korn
You were on a roll until that one
>>62543484
The UK's classic rock/prog streak was much better than ours, but the US is strong in more genres.
>>62543969
They're not worth their salt.
No American writer could ever come close to Shakespeare, Dante or Joyce. It's absurd to even imply otherwise.
>>62543983
Their first album was a masterpiece ( 7.5/10 ) and introduced Nu Metal to the mainstream
>>62544062
>scaruffidroning
>implying bringing numetal to the mainstream was a good thing
because the UK Is a shithole. they have nothing to do but make music.
>>62543484
All the bands you listed are like 40+ years old, that's why. America had grunge, the best punk bands (bad religion, minor threat, black flag, bad brains). If you wanna just talk about classic rock, the doors and Jimi hendrix and Janis Joplin and the zombies were all americans.
>>62544192
>the best punk bands
Hahahahaha
>>62544058
Perhaps, but I can't exactly imagine any European writers (post-Joyce) coming close to them either. We've put Shakespeare on such a high pedestal (understandably) that it would be considered heresy to argue that another English writer is greater than him.
And I'm absolutely not sold on the filmmakers argument. Orson Welles, John Ford, Stanley Kubrick, Francis Ford Coppola, and David Lynch (I could add plenty more) are respected around the world. There are plenty of great European directors of course, but the Americans have dominated cinema from the beginning.
>>62544108
hit the nail on the head desu
>>62543484
only wronggeneration fags actually believe this
Lol at some of these replies
>y-you could make a list of prolific American artists too
Aside from the fact that the British list would still be more impressive, you're missing OP's point. Britain has a population of about 60 million. We in the US have well over 300 million. Why does Britain produce such a disproportionately huge number of prolific rock acts compared to the US? What are the cultural and socioeconomical factors at play there?
>>62544192
the zombies were british and so were mitch mitchell and noel redding from the jimi hendrix experience.
>>62544407
you're giving OP too much credit
if he had actually said all that, there might be a reasonable discussion to have
>>62544486
He phrased it badly causing a bunch of nationalistic butthurt, but that's clearly what he's trying to get at with the cultural and economic center of the world comment.
>>62544316
It's even worse now. In terms of rock music there is fucking nothing happening in America.
>>62544407
Since even before the 1950s the United States has been a consumerist society, ruled by capitalist empires like Ford, RCA, etc, and Columbia Records, MGM, Atlantic on the record label front. We had everything we wanted given to us from afar and from many at home. Our creativity was probably stymied by this. Those big English acts were almost all published by American record companies, because the big wigs knew what the national public wanted to hear in their homes. There's some evidence to this post war boom in foreign produced music. Think of the pop stars that came before the war that were from Europe. I can't think of any. But I can name several pop or jazz acts from the roaring 20s and 30s of America.
>>62543484
What are you talking about? The UK is completely irrelevant in rock now, unless you're into boring trash like the Arctic Monkeys.
>>62544076
great album but wow like one band that isn't as popular compared to the rolling stones, the beatles, david bowie, etc etc
>>62544746
I would say that in the 60s and early 70s there were indeed a disproportionately high number of popular/influential british bands, and OP chooses to focus on that era while largely ignoring the late 70s, 80s, and 90s (decades in which America dominated the rock scene imo)
>>62543556
who's the american Jeff Beck?
>>62545073
in what sense? great guitarists?
>>62543852
are you fucking kidding me. how can you sit there and say that among Hemingway, Fitzgerald, e.e. cummings, Steinbeck, Vonnegut, Heller, Tennessee Williams, Arthur Miller, Poe, Faulkner, Emerson, Hawthorne, Whitman, or even David Fostor Wallace, there isn't a single goddamn great writer?
And as for filmmakers I will simply say Kubrick
brit bongs are just mad the greatest rock band of all time never tours the UK
>>62545729
comedy music sucks ass
>>62544891
dude without Television we most likely would not have punk rock and music would be a lot different
>>62545801
>ween
>a joke band
shitty meme
>>62544427
But Jimi wasnt
>>62544242
uk punk is just a bad imitation of US punk
>>62545807
>Television
>punk rock
they played gigs in the punk scene back then but their music doesn't share much with punk rock
>>62545807
not the guy you're responding to and not trying to argue that Television sucks or something, but we would absolutely still have punk rock without them
The Ramones would still exist, as well as Richard Hell, The Stooges, The Modern Lovers, and The New York Dolls.
USA invents things, UK exploits 'em and turn 'em into commercially successful musical trends.
>>62543484
She looks like she sucks hella dick and takes it up the ass
>>62546048
maybe Marquee Moon doesn't share a lot with punk rock but have you heard their super early music? and they were playing gigs in the punk scene before there was a punk scene at all, they were the first band of that kind to play CBGB, allowing the way for bands like the ramones, and inspiring the Sex Pistols
without them there probably wouldn't have been a punk scene
>>62546050
i'm talking about like actual punk rock, not protopunk
i'm not sure about the ramones existing, without CBGB they might not have found a place to play at and died and richard hell might not have been playing music or been known if he hadn't started in Television
the genre most likely wouldn't have been called 'punk' either without Television
>>62546772
>i'm talking about like actual punk rock, not protopunk
my point was that all of those bands would have still existed and would have then given birth to the punk-rock movement
>>62543484
Why is it important to know where the band is from?
>>62546605
I think that's a trap
small country with a large eclectic fanbase and established infrastructure for big and small artists alike. Same reason so many bands tour extensively here and get early recognition in the UK charts before finding fame in the US
>>62546979
you're kinda right. the real thing that spurred it was like Suicide anyways. All the new york bands were inspired by suicide and the velvets, but especially suicide, who were playing live for soooo many years before actually doing an album
>Radiohead, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, King Crimson, My Bloody Valentine, David Bowie, Black Sabbath, Joy Division, The Smiths, The Clash, The Who, The Rolling Stones, Cream, The Yardbirds, Soft Machine, and Led Zeppelin all started in the UK.
The Doors, The Beach Boys, Chuck Berry, Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Iggy and the Stooges, Fugazi, Talking Heads, Velvet underground, Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins, NMH, Sufjan Stevens, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Springsteen, Grateful Dead, all are from the US.
Its pretty comparable, but its impressive that is the case considering UK has so many fewer residents.
>>62547183
to add to that, US is also less rock-focused than UK. plenty more could be added to the US if you take musicians from other genres but not too many i can think of from the UK.
>>62547093
Ah yeah I forgot to mention them but they certainly deserve some credit
>>62544242
You had the clash and rancid. All of your other stuff is shit.
>>62547093
the no wave bands were but i wouldn't say all punk rock bands were
>>62543484
who is this sexbeast?
>>62543848
>Korn
>>62547081
even better
>>62547618
well the original ones were too i think. from my understanding they were like one of those really really cool local bands that everyone loses their shit over for years before the s/t came out
>>62546979
the punk rock movement would be completely different though
my favorite rock bands are from japan
>>62547791
is that the metroid dude?
>>62548070
everyone hated suicide alan vega had to carry around a motorcycle chain to fend off attackers when he would play
I'm of the opinion that the UK is better on the surface level, but the US are better for the more experimental/underground stuff.
>>62548374
>>62548287
you made it worse
>>62544062
>7.5/10
>Says it's a masterpiece
Do you see where you went wrong here, Anon?
>>62548285
>After the collapse of the Mercer Arts Center in 1973, Suicide played at Max's Kansas City and CBGB, often sharing the bill with emerging punk bands
he only did the chain thing for a little while in the very beginning because people didn't get it at first
>>62548474
without television they probably wouldn't have played at CBGB though
>>62548620
probably not, but i also totally agree that television is most important. i mean, not only richard hell, i'm pretty sure patti smith wouldn't have started without them encouraging her and shit
>>62544407
It's pretty simple. Small bands in England had more support via public radio/TV. There's a lot more public music programs (like John Peele) that could risk playing no-name bands b/c they didn't have to appeal to high ratings.
There's an interview with Kevin Shields where he talks about how MBV were able to get in TV super early in their career... and how that was nearly impossible in the US, at that time. Trying to find it now, but alas...
>>62548035
I mean she's like the best trap around desu
does matter because Death Grips is from America
Led Zeppelin and Clapton are fucking trash. America has Sufjan, VW, and literally every band that is relevant right now.
>>62543484
who is this semen demon?
REM, VU, Pixies
why is the thumbnail shiritrap?
>>62548931
shiritrap <3
>>62543484
the US definitely has plenty of great rock artists:
>The Beach Boys
>Bob Dylan
>Bruce Springsteen
>The Doors
>Pavement
>Pixies
>Sonic Youth
>Talking Heads
>Television
>The Velvet Underground
>Tom Waits
>Neil Young
>Frank Zappa
you could easily have said the same thing about America with this list and we'd have a bunch of people citing the best British bands
>>62549085
i knew she looked familiar
>>62549285
I'd suck the fuck out of her little red dick
The English list is better to be honest. The Beatles, Radiohead, and Pink Floyd are arguably the three best bands of all time
>>62543484
source on OP's semen demon? don't care if it has a dick or not
>>62549397
same desu
>>62549786
She has a cute little dick :3
>>62549085
>>62549085
>those nipples
I don't even care if it's gay, I want to suck and nibble those babies like there's no tomorrow
Source is shiritrap
>>62549827
same here bruv
>>62549901
>shiritrap
Fucking knew it first time I saw this thread an hour ago.
>tfw you can now identify most traps you see on 4chan
Should I be worried?
>>62550029
totally ok
>>62550029
>Should I be worried?
nah senpai, traps and femboys are for patricians
>tfw hooked up with an at-least-8/10 trap for a one-off last november
>ended up showing off my vinyl collection
>cuddlefucked to rare northern-english art-rock / swedish indie pop singles
truly the GOAT
>>62549962
>those smooth puffy little chemically-induced tits
HNNNNG
>>62550143
i want your life.
>>62550248
idk man, I also have less than twenty pounds to my name and am probably gonna OD in the next few years
>>62543484
Niggers make good drum beats but are shit at anything more complex.
>>62549122
Your also leaving out a lot of great country & rock-a-billy stars that are aguably rock as well like Elvis and Johnny Cash.
>>62550340
oh. nvm then. what your drug of choice?? hurrowin?
>america
>cultural center of the world
mmmmmmmmmmm
>>62550436
That's a bad picture but in general I agree.
>>62549962
>>62549901
>>62549085
found her tumblr
shiritrap.tumblr.com
>>62547500
I can't even think about the fact i'm wasting my time talking with fgt lime this jesus christ
>>62543848
>Korn
the cherry on top that everybody asks to leave off their shake
>>62544058
>>62544270
/mu/ - music
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.
>>62550490
Top kek
>>62543484
I mean when all of your best artists just rehash and refine what US artists pioneered, of course they will turn out all right. Blues, rock n' roll, protopunk, hardcore, hard psychedelic rock, post-rock, etc...
>>62545801
>comedy music
>I've obviously never listened to Ween
>>62549085
>>62549901
>>62549962
w2c trap gf
>>62543689
Death Grips
Animal Collective
Tame Impala
Imagine Dragons
Halsey
Metallica
Velvet Underground
Neutral Milk Hotel
and most of all: Pic related
Nuff Said.
