How is this album not boring as hell? What is interesting here at all?
>>60947647
The repetitiveness is hypnotic and integral to the album. Hence why Soon is 7 minutes long, it works and it makes sense why the band made it that way.
it's a practical joke. every week us MBV fans meet in an IRC room to think of new ways to make this anonymous poster angry
>>60947684
I don't considering any MBV fan to be a fan if they think their last album is in any way redeemable.
Shoegaze fanatics have the worst tastes in their own genre.
cool sounds, very hypnotic, nice textures.
it's immensely overrated though, it's overshadowed by a lot of "clones" but don't tell anyone on /mu/ that.
>>60947701
>People who enjoy things i dont are the worst
>>60947720
they are
>>60947701
>>60947818
Go fuck yourself, mbv was GOAT shit anf you are objectively wrong. You're just butthurt they didn't make Loveless 2.
>>60947709
No clones came close to Loveless bro.
yeah i love mbv(2013). lot of good songs on there the drumming on "in another way" is next level
The opening is good to use for an alarm clock sound
>>60947647
>muh slightly less accessible rock music
nothing interesting here friend
Nothing really comes close to it, no band has come close to the level of dense symphonic noise Shields created with that album and none of them probably ever will, not even Shields.
>>60947709
>it's overshadowed by a lot of "clones"
>>>/mu/shugazi/
No shoegaze album has come close to Loveless. The clones are shit. The only good clone is LSD.
Wtf is that frog sound over and over again on soon? Is that by bilinda?
Sweet and hard sounds in a dreamy atmosphere - just all around feel
>>60948253
Wtf are you on about? Do you mean the flute that comes in after 25 seconds?
>>60948120
that was the first rock album i listened to... not less accessibnle at all. probably everyones first rock album who grew up in the 00s or 10s
>>60947647
>What is interesting here at all
A part of me wants to break it down for you, but I wouldn't be able to do the album justice. My only advice to you would be to check out Souvlaki and Nowhere. Once you've heard them like 20 times, give Loveless another go.
It changed the way I perceive and understand music.
>>60948300
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha.
>>60948300
>probably everyones first rock album who grew up in the 00s or 10s
This is bait, right? Everyone's first "rock"album was probably Nevermind, American Idiot, or a dadrock album. Even my Pink Floyd and Tame Impala fanboy buddies can't get into Loveless. I think it appeals to a very specific set of individuals. Most of us /shugazi/ fans are INFPs.
>>60947647
Unique sound design and excellent songwriting. What else do you need?
>>60948282
The humming sound on repeat almost eternity at the end
>>60947647
Nothing. /mu/ is just full of virgin neckbeards who like to imagine themselves fucking Bilinda to the sound of her own voice being drowned out in her band's music. If you look at this more as a pornographic experience than an album, you might like it, but that mostly depends on how much you lust for junkie Irish chicks on any given day.
>>60948594
Bilinda was never a junkie you shitter. She even quit smoking cigarettes some years ago.
>>60948594
>>60948527
>Most of us /shugazi/ fans are INFPs
Most of us /mu/ is INFP.
>>60948777
>Implying
/mu/ is a mix of INTJ and INTP with a vocal minority of INFP.
The reason they seem the most common is because INFPs are more likely to post in those threads.
>>60948707
Aesop's fables should be required reading for posting on imageboards desu.
>>60948821
>/mu/ is a mix of INTJ and INTP with a vocal minority of INFP.
Same fucking thing.
>>60948821
>/mu/ is a mix of INTJ and INTP
INTJ and INTP are the same personality the differs depending on mood.
t. INTJ who scores INTP 1/3 of the time.
>>60948865
>>60948866
Actually the biggest difference between INTJ and INTP is introverted (intj) and extroverted feeling (intp), which is why intj is supiorer because extroverted feelers are all annoying. infp here
>>60948936
>Actually the biggest difference between INTJ and INTP is introverted (intj) and extroverted feeling (intp), which is why intj is supiorer because extroverted feelers are all annoying. infp here
There is a lot of overlap between those particular personality types.
I am pretty much INTJ unless I feel like being more socially-acceptable, in which case I usually score more in the INTP range.
>>60948936
Who cares, just drop acid and MDMA at the same time and leave INXX and join me at ENFP.
>>60947647
>>60947709
>>60948120
>>60948594
KILL IT
>>60948116
underrated
>>60948527
im infj and im the biggest loveless fan in the world (:
>>60948366
i love u
>>60949011
>implying acid doesn't make you more introverted
Also introversion and extroversion isn't anti social vs social, anyway's enfp is my favorite type
>>60948865
No
>>60948866
That's because you take online tests
>>60948936
Actually Introverted Feeling is worse than Extraverted Feeling because Fi is the root of narcissism. Which is why INTJ are arrogant cunts.
>>60949011
ENFP and INFP have the same functions, pal.
One is a sad clown and one is just sad.
>>60949080
Fi is taking care of yourself, Fe is being nosy and controlling towards other people
>>60947647
nothing dont let the memesters get to you, i've fallen asleep to that album when I wasn't even tired.
>>60949046
>im infj and im the biggest loveless fan in the world (:
Not surprising, Kevin Shields is a pretty clean cut INFJ.
>>60949074
I imagine that's why he's saying candyflip and not just acid - the MDMA hardwires you to be Extraverted Feeling, the acid sets you up to be either Extraverted or Introverted Intuition depending on your mindset.
Candyflipping is definitely the ENFP of drug periods.
>>60949109
>Fi is taking care of yourself, Fe is being nosy and controlling towards other people
Fi is only caring about yourself, Fe is caring about others. Fi is narcissistic, Fe is histrionic.
An INFJ is hardly nosy and controlling, and their secondary function is Fe.
Meanwhile ESTJ are quite oppressive and its due to their inferior Fi.
>>60948838
>there are people on this board right now who weren't read aesop's fables as kids
>>60949126
>Not surprising, Kevin Shields is a pretty clean cut INFJ.
i did not know this... are u joking or being serious?
i mean i thought of it before but i dont like to be delusional
do u have any proof like how do u know? this is interesting to me
>>60949080
>Which is why INTJ are arrogant cunts.
I'd rather be arrogant than than someone who is easily strung around desu.
>>60949172
>there are people on this board right now who weren't read aesop's fables as kids
Makes me sad desu.
>>60947647
It's slightly less accessible grunge by people who were even more fucked-up on drugs, so it's somehow better according to people who think they have good taste.
Seriously, somebody get fucked up on prescription meds, get some shitty equipment, distort the Hell out of it, and run with it; you'll probably make an album's worth of music on par with this.
>>60949255
>prescription meds
Nah, this is opiate high or MDMA high in pure aural form desu.
>>60949176
You can't "prove" anyone's personality type; the closest you get to that is the person or a professional stating what they believe their type is.
However, I've gauged Kevin Shields to be an INFJ purely based on my understanding of the MBTI and information about him. The way he treats music, the dedication and perfectionism, is very similar to other Ni dominant musicians, while his lyrical themes and general behavior lead me to place him as Fe over Te (Kevin does not strike me as an INTJ in the slightest), which leads me to conclude he's an INFJ. I draw some parallels to other musicians I've categorized as INFJ, like Brian Wilson - the effort they put into their music is very holistic, and both of them share the INFJ's tendency to suffer for what matters most to them.
You're free to reject my hypothesis, however.
>>60949158
estj is bossy in a different way than say an enfj or esfj, it's less personal and less insufferable. I cant stand strong Fe's at all, selfishness isn't always a bad thing unless it's taken too far, some people need to be more selfish and less uptight
>>60949203
Do you think your views on that might be colored by your personality?
>>60949203
This so much
>>60949292
It's entirely a matter of preference, isn't it?
Some people need to be less selfish and care more about others around them.
I personally can't stand ESTJs, because while an ENFJ can at least wrap their head around something different, and an ESFJ at least has good intentions at heart, an ESTJ is doing so out of unthinking, uncaring appeal to what they think is normal.
ENFJ and ESFJ can at least be personable when they're not being pricks, ESTJ is not friendly in any sense.
>>60949307
Same goes for you doesn't it?
>>60949355
Of course. Part of the reason I'm arguing against it is because I myself am an INFP, Fi dominant, and recognize the thoroughly negative aspects of my Introverted Feeling.
>>60948527
As all real scrutiny has shown, the Myers-Briggs system is nothing but the Barnum effect.
>>60949307
>Do you think your views on that might be colored by your personality?
Very possible.
>>60949339
Machiavellianism isn't really something for me. It's one of many techniques I've learned in my years on this earth which I use for my own benefit, but it is not who I truly am.
>>60949349
Esfj's can be caring warm people, but often their warmth and caring is reserved on social norms entirely, enfj's are somewhat better
>>60949409
I only really enjoy it out of my broader enjoyment of categorization, and use it mainly as a form of characterization. The Big Five is usually considered a much more 'objective' personality psychology.
>>60949409
Myers Briggs has been surprisingly accurate in my opinion, as long as you use it right and take account of the functions
>>60949441
Right, which works with their interplay of Fe to Si over Fe to Ni. ESFJs are kind out of comfort, ENFJs are kind out of thought. Which is why the INFJ is one of the most sincerely kind types.
>>60949255
KILL
>>60949283
>You can't "prove" anyone's personality type; the closest you get to that is the person or a professional stating what they believe their type is.
i know i used the wrong word, nvm i got excited lol
>You're free to reject my hypothesis, however.
no i agree, kind of what i thought as well when i used to "obsess" over personality types
especially the brian wilson comparison
thanks
>>60949390
There's also negative aspects of Fe, I think when any Fi like infp is nice and caring to someone it's usually very genuine rather than out of obligation.
>>60949074
I'm pretty sure that acid is why I've started to get depersonalization when I smoke pot
It fucking sucks cause I don't wanna quit but I can't enjoy it like I used to
>>60948527
This is the definition of a special snowflake.
Don't think you are a weirdo because you listen to pop melodies with a walls of noise.
Show anyone When You Sleep and they will fall in love with it,I bet it's your least favorite song.
Masturbate to "To here knows when"
Trust me senpai
>>60949834
u need to let nostalgia go and accept who uve become, i mean u cant go back anyway, the ''damage'' (not really) is done, so wats the point in bickering
i will never be able to reach my first time mdma but that doesnt mean im gonna let it bother my future experiences
just stop caring about it and dont do it too often to keep it shiny and new
>>60950172
not a weirdo, but i used to be that guy who would recommend people loveless and i was really sure of myself that they would like it
they didnt and they still dont
one of them even told me and i quote: "it sounded like bees shittin all over it'' and the others thought i was either joking or that it was too ambitious sounding
>>60950491
jesus
>>60950172
>I bet it's your least favorite song.
Yep. But only because it blows its load on the first listen and features boring drums.
>definition of a special snowflake.
It was an observation. If I were bragging about being super cool, you could definitely call me out.
Little Bilinda Butcher was not the best student in Sunday school. Usually she slept through class. One day the teacher called on her while she was napping, “Tell me Little Bilinda Butcher, who created the universe?” When Little Bilinda Butcher didn’t stir, Little Kevin Shields, a boy seated in the chair behind her, took a pin and jabbed her in the rear.
“God Almighty!” shouted Little Bilinda Butcher and the teacher said, “Very good” and Little Bilinda Butcher fell back asleep.
A while later the teacher asked Little Bilinda Butcher, “Who is our Lord and Saviour.” But, Little Bilinda Butcher didn’t even stir from her slumber. Once again, Little Kevin Shields came to the rescue and stuck her again.
“Jesus Christ!” shouted Little Bilinda Butcher and the teacher said, “Very good,” and Little Bilinda Butcher fell back asleep.
Then the teacher asked Little Bilinda Butcher a third question. “What did Eve say to Adam after she had her twenty-third child?” and again, Little Kevin Shields jabbed her with the pin.
This time Little Bilinda Butcher jumped up and shouted, “If you stick me with that thing one more time, I’ll break it in half and stick it up your ass!”
Finally, someone who doesn't believe this album to be flawless and the best album ever made.
>>60949762
There's really no point in responding almost an hour later, but I like talking about this shit so whatever.
I get you, there are positive and negative aspects to all the functions (one of the many complaints to the MBTI is how they usually phrase them in only positive ways like horoscopes), and that understanding of Fi is fairly accurate; because of the focus on the more personal self-focused emotions, exhibitions of kindness tend to be done with a sense of deliberation and importance - Fi's tend to dispense with things they don't feel warrant doing, which has its own benign and malign components.
MBTI isn't a contest, so there really is no superiority between Fi and Fe; part of being Fe is the belief that factoring in the emotions of others is important for one reason or another, and I find that very admirable for the same reason I'm really only intimately kind to people I want to share that kindness with.
Perhaps another part of my 'argument', so to speak, is the idea that types find camaraderie in their inverses as well as their counterparts. Fi are supposed to appreciate Fe because they are very receptive to the kindness of others, and Fe appreciate Fi because of the depth of their kindness. Likewise, Ti appreciate Te for being able to make work the logic they've devised, and Te appreciate Ti for the soundness of their logical systems.
ESTJ is still the worst.
i only said > blown a wish > soon > to here knows when > when u sleep > only shallow > what u want > loomer > come in alone > touched > sometimes
theyre all 5/5 tracks btw
also isnt anything is just as good as loveless
fight me familia
I space out to it when I'm having a particularly bad bout of depression.
I ignored it for a long time because I didn't want to join the hipster indie club, but What You Want is a very good song.
