Is this the greatest hip-hop album of the 90s? Is there a single comfier winter hip-hop album? Is GZA the best Wu-Tang member? And most importantly, more like this??
fuck off
No, but it's top 5 for sure
Raekwon and Ghostface are undoubtedly better rappers with better catalogs.
>>60872843
list your top 5
>>60872421
>>60872875
I really don't like Ghostface's voice. For me the runner-up to GZA is ODB and then probably RZA. But you have to give RZA mad credit for his production chops.
>>60872421
I don't know, but I really like GZAs voice (or his "rapping voice")
definitely my fave wu-tang member. Pro Tools is cool af
>>60872421
yes it is op.
>>60872899
in top 10.
gravediggaz's first album is better
OBJECTIVE TOP 5 90's RAP ALBUMS
Illmatic
Life After Death
Enter the 36 Chambers
Doggystyle
ATLiens
>greatest hip hop album of the 9ps
That isn't pic related.
since the thread only just started,
I'll forgive you guys for not mentioning it
>>60872421
No (but it's pretty close), no, yes, and check his other solo stuff, even though it doesn't come close to this.
>>60872881
Sremmlife
PowerBallin'
MBDTF
Liquid Swords
Dirty Sprite 2
>>60872421
I know that for me this and Lifestyles Ov da Poor and Dangerous are the top, even though there is 36 Chambers and a multitude of other stuff. The GZA is an amazing lyricist, my favourite member of the Wu-Tang, and this is my favourite solo Wu-Tang album. It is testosterone-violent as fuck but at the same time it's comfy and there are so many different nice jazz samples all over it to pick out and check. Back then rappers could be talking about gangsta ignorant violence and shit but they did it with some amazingly well-written verses and great flows.
The hardest Gangsta Rap album.
>>60874680
Amazing verses (usually from prodigy) and some of the best beats you'll ever hear on a hip hop album.
>>60872421
>>60874253
>>60874276
Also very good.
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Why do you idolize criminals who brag about drugs and money on top of copy & pasted samples?
>>60875078
>why you idolize satanists who growl over the same repetitive amateurish riffs?
>why you idolize dumb bimbos who sing about partying and getting drunk over dancy edm?
>why you idolize outlaw rednecks singing drunkenly over some acoustic guitars?
>>60875110
Yes. Pretty much of all of Type 0 is like that.
>>60875121
>why you idolize nearly imperceptible bleeps and bloops?
>>60875146
They're stimulating to the mathematically inclined mind.
>>60875160
keked
>>60875121
>tfw Types I, II and III are my favourite shit
no idea what to make out of it
>>60875121
what's machine improvisation
sounds like it'd be a lot of fun to make
>>60875160
how does the inside of your ass smell, because you're pretty fucking far up there
aside from solo stuff and judging their efforts on Wu-Tang albums, Inspectah Deck is the best Wu rhymesayer.
>>60875325
GZA is my favorite but Inspectah is my second
pic related is way better
nahmean
>>60875121
>indie as a genre
lmao at anyone taking this seriously
>>60872421
Midnight Marauders, Low End Theory, and Buhloon Mindstate are better than Liquid Swords imo.
It's definitely in the Top 10 of the 90s, tho.
>>60872421
>comfier winter hip-hop album
>>60876041
>Release date: July 22, 1997
>>60876091
Oh I thought OP meant something to spin during the winter.
>>60875360
awful cover doe
>>60872421
There isn't really anything like Liquid Swords
Even other Wu albums don't sound like it
pic related as the answer to both OP's questions, but Liquid Swords is damn good.
>>60876204
assume they did, because who gives a damn about release dates from 15+ years ago?
>>60875360
the greatest East Coast rap record of the 21st century.
not that there's a ton of competition, but still.
>>60874519
>90s
abstract comparision, but this is also very atmospheric and comfy. both are great winter albums.
What is the most underrated Wu-Tang solo project?
>pic maybe related
>>60872421
they all chopable
>>60875121
> still posting this chart
>>60874821
that was released in 2001 :/
>>60877256
this
>>60878799
this is the /mu/est Wu solo doe
Enter the Wu-Tang (1993), 7/10
Wu-Tang Forever (1997), 6/10
The W (2000), 5/10
Iron Flag (2001), 5/10
Method Man: Tical (1994), 5/10
Method Man: Tical 2000 (1998), 5/10
Method Man: Blackout (1999), 4/10
Ol' Dirty Bastard: Return to the 36 Chambers (1995), 6/10
Ol' Dirty Bastard: Nigga Please (1999), 5/10
GZA/Genius: Liquid Swords (1995), 6.5/10
GZA/Genius: Beneath the Surface (1999), 5/10
Raekwon: Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (1995), 6.5/10
Raekwon: Immobilarity (1999), 5/10
Raekwon: The Lex Diamond Story (2003), 5/10
Raekwon: Shaolin vs Wu-Tang (2011), 4/10
Ghostface Killah: Ironman (1996), 5/10
Ghostface Killah: Supreme Clientele (2000), 6.5/10
Ghostface Killah: Bulletproof Wallets (2001), 6/10
Ghostface Killah: Fishscale (2006), 6.5/10
Ghostface Killah: The Big Doe Rehab (2007), 6/10
RZA: Bobby Digital In Stereo (1998), 6/10
RZA: Ghost Dog (2000), 5/10
RZA: Digital Bullet (2001), 5.5/10
RZA: Birth of a Prince (2003), 5/10
Eight Diagrams (2007), 5.5/10
Raekwon: Only Built 4 Cuban Linx Part II (2009), 6.5/10
Chamber Music (2009), 4/10
Ghostface Killah: Ghostdini (2009), 4/10
Ghostface Killah: Apollo Kids (2011), 5.5/10
Return Of The Wu & Friends (2010), 4/10
Legendary Weapons (2011), 4/10
A Better Tomorrow (2014), 4/10
>>60872934
You fucking suck. Not liking Ghost's voice is an actual sin
>>60876041
First time listening to this album, definitely enjoying it, thanks man
>>60878799
What is meth's best project?
>>60880400
>getting mad over an opinion
He just sounds too boisterous to me, like he's constantly yelling and I find it kind of annoying. He's good in small doses but for a full album, it's just eh.
>>60880679
Probably the one I posted because it has RZA production.
>>60872934
>not liking Ghost's voice
>ranking RZA and ODB as better MCs than Meth, Rae, Deck or Ghost
>>60872875
this, OB4CL is my favorite album to come out of that era
>>60880679
4:21 The Day After
unless you count the Blackout
I actually find Tical kinda boring. You can tell that they lost all the beats RZA had for it halfway into making the album. All of it sounds so half-baked
>>60881635
I haven't heard any Deck solo projects, but GZA and ODB btfo of Meth and arguably Rae as well. And like I said I just don't like Ghost's voice on a personal level. I can acknowledge his skill though.
>>60881654
I like OB4CL a lot, is the sequel album as good?
>>60881685
>GZA and ODB btfo of Meth and arguably Rae as well
I said RZA, not GZA. RZA's rapping is mediocre as fuck. ODB's flow is interesting but that's about as far as it goes. Lyrically he's nothing special.
Later projects from Meth's catalog contain numerous quotables. Rae's shit always just sounds like some cool ass mafioso scheming shit. Both have very nice flows and their catalogs are way more interesting than RZA's.
>>60881797
Rza's flow on 4th Chamber and Marvel is just as good as any in wu
Listening to 4th Chamber again I can't help but feel like Jay Z ripped some of Rza's style
>>60880090
what the fuck... does he just pick a number from 4 to 6?
>>60872421
I don't give a cotten-pickin FUCK
About a brother tryna size a nigga up, I hold my own
Hard-hat protect your dome
Look at mama baby boy acting like he grown
No time for sleep, I gets deep as a baritone
Killa Bee, that be holding down his honeycomb, LOUNGIN SON
Fucking love that album
>>60875160
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>60872421
I never got it. I've never got GZA. He's milquetoast.
Seriously, if your answer isn't either >>60880264 or one of these three albums, you don't know shit about hip hop. These aren't even my favorite 90s albums, but you have to be a fucking idiot to not see this shit.
baka at the 'opinions' in this thread. can't believe I used to main this board
>>60883171
>liking tribe
A group that made a song about how much they hate gays and when the record label said get that shit out of here they made a song about how much they hate record labels.
>>60883208
nice contrarian opinion. I can tell you've been on /mu/ way too long.
>hating gays
>hating record labels
wow, sounds like every other rap artist in the 90s.
>not liking tribe
way to be ignorant about one of the most influential rap artists ever.
>>60873833
Suicide its a suicide
>>60883454
not him but I always found tribe to be nice beats paired with average hip hop. The production on their stuff was dope, but most of the time their songs could get pretty weird or aimless, like the one where they decide to describe thoroughly what which one of them asked for in a bar as if it's the most important thing ever. Either way, as a devote rapfag, of course I like them, and of course Low End was some iconic shit. But if you are there listing 90's albums so categorically at least have the decency to include: >>60874253
>>60883778
I love the shit out of Big L. Kids a god on the mic. It's hard to find someone who can fuck with him.
But when it comes to ICONIC albums, albums that raised the bar in every way imaginable, that's a very select few, and there are tons of my favorite albums that don't make the cut
>>60884053
You know "iconic" is not synonymous with "objectively good", right?
>>60884110
yeah, I wouldn't argue that any of these albums are 'objectively good'. Again, albums like the chronic and amerikkka's most aren't my personal favorites. But what they did for the music is indisputable.
I find Doggystyle to be more enjoyable than the Chronic. Arguably better lyrics, more fun beats. But would I ever say Doggystyle is more influential than the Chronic? Of course not.
In my opinion, the thing that makes an album 'the greatest' is it's influence, because that's what can actually be seen in the music following it.
If you genuinely believe that an album like Liquid Swords is the greatest hip hop album of the 90s, you are a backpacker, and I'm sorry. And that's probably one of my favorite albums ever made.
But 'greatest hip hop album of the 90s'?
There's a lot of others that deserve to be named first for what they did for the music
>>60884395
>If you genuinely believe that an album like Liquid Swords is the greatest hip hop album of the 90s, you are a backpacker, and I'm sorry.
The fuck? Liquid Swords is hardly backpacker shit. It's mostly gangsta/mafioso rap with a lot of bragging.
Influence is definitely objective, but why should we judge an album on its influence rather than its actual musical/lyrical quality? That doesn't make sense. There's a ton of terrible shit that has been hugely influential.
>>60884589
Yeah, I just use backpacker as a synonym for hipster. Some of my friends who are "hip hop heads" don't even know that album, and if they do know it they don't know the track list.
I'm using influence as the main indicator because lyrics and beats can be disputed. What's the real difference between Liquid Swords and OB4CL? Two top tier MCs. Some of the best RZA beats ever made. Songs with some of the coldest fucking wu lyrics ever (4th chamber & verbal intercourse). But which Wu album is the actual actual legendary one?
Enter the 36 chambers. And it's not hard to find rappers these days who STILL pay homage to that one album. My favorite is OB4CL for its musical content, but I'd be an idiot to say it's greater than enter the 36 chambers. And a lot of that comes from its musical content, what it did first and what it did best.
I see what you're saying, but I'm confident great albums are the ones that are remembered. If you do something truly innovative, you will be remembered as one of the greats
>>60872881
1. Wu tang forever 2.All eyes on Me 3. Liquid Swords 4. Moment of Truth 5. Ridin Dirty
>>60872421
>GZA
>comfy
lol whut, do you only speak in internet buzzwords?
>>60884913
I haven't memorized the tracklist of any of my favorite albums honestly. A lot pf times I feel like every time I listen to my favorites it's for the first time. But anyways, backpacker and hipster do generally go hand in hand BUT not always. Hipsters are people who just want to like whatever is obscure or underrated, whereas backpackers are people who can only find value in "conscious" shit or shit with "experimental" or abstract lyrics.
I prefer Liquid Swords over 36 Chambers or OB4CL because it's colder and darker and just sets this great atmosphere that persists from the opening sample to the end sample. Is it perfect? Know, and if you prefer high-energy, more playful rapping then I can see why you'd prefer 36 chambers. OB4CL has a more Scarface-ish theme which is cool, but Liquid Swords just brings you to this whole other world and that's why it's my favorite. My second-favorite hip-hop album of the 90s would probably be Illmatic (yes I know it's an overly common choice, but come on, it IS that good).
>>60880090
wow this was garbage taste
1. Ready to Die
2. Illmatic
3. The Low End Theory
4. Liquid Swords
5. Enter The 36 Chambers
>>60885022
he speaks in P4K language
>Liquid Swords is a winter album meant to be heard in winter which is why most of us grew enamored with it as a portable experience, lodged into CD players or Walkmen, and stuffed between layers of puffy coats on subways, school buses.
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16857-liquid-swords-chess-box-deluxe-edition/
reminder this was the best wu-tang solo album released this decade
>>60874009
My nigga
>>60885056
haha yes dude I absolutely agree. And of COURSE Illmatic is up there, it's the quintessential 90s album. I'd call it number one rap album of the 90s for that alone, that's why I included it in my original post.
I actually prefer OB4CL to 36 chambers, in my previous post I was just trying to express why greatness extends past being a 10/10 album or whatever someone's metric is.
There are albums that are monuments not only in hip hop but in music in general. Your "It takes a nation of millions", your "the chronic", your "illmatic". It's a combination of so many things that can't really be expressed. You just know
No I said that more me personally
>>60872875
Love 'em both but i reckon GZA's wordplay is better. Plus Raekwon and Ghostface need each other. Put them alone and they're substantially weaker.
>>60882617
Elaborate further.
How did Jay rip off of RZA's style?
Redmans first 3 albums are secretly the best of the 90s.
Legend Of The Liquid Sword actually isn't bad. If Liquid Swords is like a 9-9.5/10 then Legend is like a 7-7.5.
>>60874519
lol
>>60872421
Iron Maiden
Only Built for Cuban Linx
East Coast Rap is Garbage
>>60874519
lmao/10
>>60887221
You're garbage.
Get the fuck out, Suge Knight.
>>60883171
the chronic is pop rap garbage.
