This man is not a "legend"
I hate to disparage someone so soon after their death, but I take issue with the way people have chosen to remember him.
Eddie Vedder sings like Eddie Vedder because he is Eddie Vedder and cannot not sing like Eddie Vedder. Before Eddie Vedder, nobody in mainstream music was singing like Eddie Vedder. It was only after he became the most instant success out of all the 90's singers that people started to say, "Hey maybe I should go BWEHHHEHEAYYYEAHHHRAWWWN," which they all did, and they all made millions of dollars. Scott Weiland was one of these people.
Scott Weiland's imitation was at best somewhat less offensive as someone like Scott Stapp, and his songwriting was certainly a notch above most of his contemporary grunge imitators, but I am extremely worried that his death has elevated him to a place in rock history where he does not deserve to be. The damn shame is that he was actually a pretty gifted vocalist when he wasn't affecting a yarl, but STP's music makes me cringe because he doesn't sound like himself, he sounds like what was profitable.
tl;dr Scott Weiland was a part of the corporate grunge cash-in and the fact that he is being remembered as a "legendary rocker" and "one of the greatest voices of his generation" makes me extremely uncomfortable.
>>60806569
somebody made this shitpost.
>>60806604
op has a point tho
Every single grunge rock band that wasn't Nirvana was part of the cash-in.
>>60806604
>wahhhh! don't shit on Stone Temple Pilots maaaan!
I thought this was /mu/
>>60806569
Cool bait, Ahmed. Got me to reply.
>>60806628
Soundgarden was around before Nirvana, and Pearl Jam was at least mostly made up of what remained of Mother Love Bone.
>>60806569
If anything, I'd say Scott was better than Eddie Vedder.
Agreed OP, this guy was a total dink who made nothing but shitty jams
STP was ass
The Vedder comparison is a fucking joke if you've actually heard anything beyond their first album.
>>60806708
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7yEqPMlQH0
nope
>>60806628
That's because Nirvana isn't really grunge. It's more punk-rock than grunge.
>>60806794
it's actually not, he just kind of toned it down a little bit because he was probably embarrassed with himself
>>60806604
>>60806643
OP is right though.
STP were Cali cock-rockers that went Grunge when Pearl Jam blew up.
>>60806830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t2VSB5EJxc
yeah man he's totally ripping off Vedder here
>>60806795
lol is that suppose to be impressive?
>>60806960
>there are STP fanboys on /mu/
All you're posting is evidence that he wouldn't have been successful if he hadn't started out going "AH FEEEELEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
>>60806973
Better than anything Scott ever did
>>60806973
If you're impressed by STP and not that, you're a walking meme
>>60807014
>irrefutable evidence against your argument
>"well you're just a fanboy also I don't like this so he wouldn't have successful"
cool post
>>60807051
>The damn shame is that he was actually a pretty gifted vocalist when he wasn't affecting a yarl
guess you don't have the attention span to read entire posts, junior
>>60807014
>Better than anything Scott ever did
translated to
>hurr my opinion is fact
butthurt faggot.
>>60807090
>lol is that suppose to be impressive?
translated to
>hurr I'm a butthurt faggot
My opinion is fact
>>60806960
this song isn't very good
>>60807044
I never said I was impressed by STP
I'm not even the guy you were originally responding to you fucking moron.
Eddie Vedder's voice is one of the most intolerable things in music, on par with Robert Plant's voice. I can tolerate Scott's voice more than Eddie Vedder's voice.
>>60807145
>Eddie Vedder's voice is one of the most intolerable things in music, on par with Robert Plant's voice.
it's like you're trying to invalidate your own opinion
>>60807145
>I'm not even the guy you were originally responding to you fucking moron.
yeah how could one possibly make the mistake of confusing two anonymous posters on a hawaiian 69ing forum
Scott Stapp had a better voice than Weiland and all other grunge/post grunge vocalists for that matter.
I would even say he's got one of the best male singing voices ever.
>inb4 national anthem
Everybody has a bad day, plus wasn't he struggling with addiction at the time?
>>60807110
Your opinion is garbage just like your entire life you neckbearded fedora tipping loser. I'd rather listen listen to Yoko Ono screech for 24 hours in my ear through a goddamn megaphone than ever listened to Eddie Vedder absolute garbage voice.
>>60807222
>Scott Stapp had a better voice than Weiland and all other grunge/post grunge vocalists for that matter.
ur killin me anon
>>60807236
you should be more subtle next time you b8 someone, you went overboard and ruined it
>>60807171
Robert Plant is a fucking terrible singer. He sounds like a coked out during intercourse having a stroke.
>>60807204
by realizing that there isn't only 3 people posting on this board. Holy fuck, you are retard. Maybe reddit would be more suited to your incapability to think
>>60807255
I'm not baiting you. I absolutely cannot stand Eddie Vedder's voice, and I will never understand how anyone can ever find it good. At least Scott Weiland didn't do that fucking voice all the time. But Eddie fucking sounds like that permanently. I'd kill myself if I'd sung like that because it's just that awful.
>>60807297
>Holy fuck, you are retard.
>>60807329
see here
>>60807335
moron
>HURR HE DOESN'T LIKE EDDIE VEDDER AND ROBERT PLANT, SO HE MUST BE TROLLING!
I'm not fucking trolling, I'm just a having a bit of a "fuck you" friday
>>60807335
>>60807387
Keep it coming, I'm havin a ball reading this shit
>>60806628
Lol go suck that dead fag cock kiddo
>>60807443
you're going to have to be more specific, there are a lot of dead fags in the grunge scene
>>60806890
And made one grunge album and then went back to rock
>>60807125
It is good but you are a fag
>>60807474
they were still grunge-esque he just lost most of the YEAUHHHBREHHHAWHAWWWW
>>60807495
>typical STP fan
>>60807467
Cobains, the one you are already sucking
>>60806569
or maybe they both really liked jim morrison?
>>60807519
not him btw
>>60806569
the body isn't even in the ground yet and your taking a shit in the corpse's mouth, mate
shame on you
>>60807539
that's the excuse Stapp gave, that "we had the same influences"
Jim Morrison + David Bowie + Roger Daltry =/= OHHHHHYEEEEUHHHHHBREEEEHHHAAAAAAAHHHAYAYEAAHHHHH
>>60807544
Oh no I'm so sorry!!!! I hope his family doesn't see this thread!!!
>>60806569
You are just as retarded as the people who thinks mike patton copied anthony kieldis because the only song they heard from faith no more was epic. Quick, name 3 STP songs besides plush and interstate love sond
he only sounds kind of like eddie vedder like on maybe 1.5 albums. By the time tiny music came out he was singing with a more honest voice.
>>60807628
Sex Type Thing, Creep, Vasoline
All 3 suck
>>60807628
big bang baby, vasoline and sour girl
>>60807638
And still making mediocre music to fill the void left by Kurt Cobain's death, Soundgarden's breakup, Pearl Jam's hiatus, and AIC's lack of studio output
I love you Scott - introduce my daughter to your music just the other day. Thank you for the music that rescued me from RAP & THUG BULLSHIT. Thanks for the MUSIC!!! Much love from New Orleans!!!
>>60807724
moar
This guy died?
>>60807762
yeah
>>60807772
Huh. I'm reading about it right now, why do they want to keep things private? It was so obviously heroin.
>>60807816
Technically it was cardiac arrest but that shit doesn't come out of nowhere
>>60807699
not taking this b8
>>60807854
>hits post
Is it too soon to post this monstrosity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY_bBjS9e2s
>>60807939
thats not nearly as bad as the video of vaseline from earlier this year.
>>60807939
>"I'm ready to go if you are"
lmao
>>60806569
>It was only after he became the most instant success out of all the 90's singers that people started to say, "Hey maybe I should go BWEHHHEHEAYYYEAHHHRAWWWN," which they all did, and they all made millions of dollars. Scott Weiland was one of these people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds_43MdYiuQ
Doesn't sound like Vedder at all.
>>60808112
Wow that was still really awful
>>60808112
That was several albums in though
He didnt do the vedder voice on every song except maybe on core. His writing was pretty great and so was the rest of the bands. He honestly was the best singer to come out of the vedder garbage. Any major label band could be condidered a corporate cash grab to some degree but the music should speak for itself.
>>60808129
What's awful about it?
>>60808142
So?
>>60808158
The singing. It's flat, nasally, and there's absolutely no character to it.
>>60808157
>His writing was pretty great
no
>the music should speak for itself
it does
>>60808167
this, he was better off imitating Vedder
>>60808167
>It's flat
At what point? Chart it out.
>nasally
So?
>and there's absolutely no character to it
How do you measure that?
>>60808176
What's wrong with it?
>>60808205
Dude. You just have really bad taste. It's alright. I'm not going to "chart out" why his singing is flat, whatever that means, you fucking mongoloid.
>buttrock singer dies
>dozens of post-grunge plebs scramble out of the woodwork to make excuses for him
Literally never seen a Scott Weiland thread until his death. At least we occasionally discussed 3Pac.
Dax Riggs is the only good Eddie Vedder Ripoff
> I am extremely worried
I guess the world is doomed if a singer you don't enjoy is loved by others. Keep your chin up man. You'll get through this.
>>60808223
>whatever that means,
lol
>>60808254
thanks for the support
>>60808243
one of the best vocalists ever t b h
>>60808266
nice meme, Scott was trash
>>60808266
What, I'm supposed to make a line graph comparing the singing in the song with what the notes should actually be?
Are you autistic?
>>60808309
>What, I'm supposed to make a line graph comparing the singing in the song with what the notes should actually be?
Correct.
>>60808299
Nah, he was fine.
>>60808344
No. I could only listen to a minute of that song before I had to stop. The mixing and mastering on it was absolute garbage on top of the bad singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfgJjfB9w-I
>>60807514
typical STP hater
says the song is bad and doesn't say why while clearly it's a quite original song by an alternative rock band
>implying that guitar solo isn't GOAT
>implying any grunge band could make a bossa nova track
>>60808365
>No.
If you can't prove it, it's not true. Nice try
>The mixing and mastering on it was absolute garbage
What was garbage about it?
>>60808344
this is...ADVANCED AUTISM
>>60808364
w/e
>>60808419
>implying anyone SHOULD make a bossa nova track
>>60808439
you are legitimately upset right now
>>60807724
>New Orleans
>hates "rap and thug bullshit"
>likes grunge music
Yank
>>60806569
I outgrew grunge as a music style/corporate hype over a decade ago. but I guess this band's pop hits still get heard on rock radio, right? so he regrettably still hadn't had a chance to fade into blissful obscurity with his millions saved from the CD era.
it's sad yet another person that earned millions from some combination of talent, luck, hard work, and compromised musical principles (and/or mediocre taste) still couldn't keep it together and blew it all on his fucked up personal life.
>>60808439
The bass is ridiculously present, that guitar in the right headphone is totally pointless, that drum bit during the chorus just makes me laugh, there is absolutely NOTHING worth listening to in this track. That guitar solo too. Holy fucking shit.
But the video is le black & white so it's art :v) :v)
>>60808471
>this is...ADVANCED AUTISM
Not really. Anon made a claim; if you can't prove it, it's not true. if he's singing out of tune,m you'd be able to show this. But the song was one of their biggest hits, and there is little to no comment about him being out of tune. It's probably not true
>you are legitimately upset right now
Over what? I don't even really like STP.
>>60808529
>The bass is ridiculously present
What's wrong with that?
>that guitar in the right headphone is totally pointless
How so? It's a rhythm guitar, it has a point.
>that drum bit during the chorus just makes me laugh,
But laughter is good, isn't it? You don't like to laugh?
>That guitar solo too. Holy fucking shit
What's wrong with it? can you do better?
>>60808587
are you trolling right now?
>>60806569
>but I am extremely worried that his death has elevated him to a place in rock history where he does not deserve to be
Quite frankly who gives a shit, and why does your opinion on how he deserves to be remembered in rock history bear any veracity?
>>60808587
>this whole post
>>60808613
Ooops you meant to quote >>60808529 >>60808471
Sorry about that!
>>60808344
holy shit you can't be for real
>>60808655
pathetic desu senpai
>>60808299
>>60808223
Jesus christ, Eddie Vedder cock suckers get angry so easily
>>60808655
It's official
>>60808644
idk post more qt T&S pics
>>60808681
Have you read this thread? Scottfags are manbabby sperglords
>>60808681
Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam is garbage.
>>60808721
nah not really
>>60808691
Yeah we knew you were trolling. Don't get so upset you got called out.
>>60808644
wow, that was painful to read.
>quite frankly
lose that
>bear any veracity
replace with "matter"
>>60808365
>The mixing and mastering on it was absolute garbage
That's not the bands fault, it's the people who mixed and mastered it, which isn't the band.
>>60808763
Where is Time Machine Modulus when you need them?
>>60808764
>wow, that was painful to read.
>can't handle a sentence
Yeah I hear autism does that to people.
Jay Reatard was a legend. Me and him use to snort coke and fuck hipster bitches all day
>>60808713
>Have you read this thread? Scottfags are manbabby sperglords
Yes, I have, and it's the fucking Eddie Vedder dick suckers that were quick to become hostile.
Just fucking accept it, both bands fucking suck.
>>60808801
Nice meme
Jay Reatard held it down for the real niccas out there.
>>60808840
Um, thanks?
>>60808814
Neither of the posts you quoted have anything to do with Eddie Vedder. Now who's hostile?
>>60808821
Ooops you meant to quote >>60808763
Sorry about that!
>>60806569
I don't understand the comparison, but STP didn't sound anything alike Pear Jam.
It's been yers since grunge was a cool now it will become dad music, which is very curious.
STP were pretty accesible, and i guess that's what is bothering you, it wasn't obscure or expiremental and most peple might like it and play it in the radio and become popular with the normies or whatever and don't recognize better artists, not meme artist, but the things that are enjoyed by the majority is what is remembered and it isn't always the best.
>>60808948
Not really, there's no memes in that post.
Nice try though. Have a reply.
>>60808960
>I'm pretentious because I don't enjoy Stone Temple Pilots
if that's the best argument you've got I'm not impressed
>>60808983
better throw some of that salt over your shoulder senpai
>>60809021
>senpai
>>60809094
you heard me
>>60809138
Alright let me know when you have something interesting to say.
>>60809170
u 2 bb
>>60809189
Well, I already did but you couldn't dispute it with anything other than mindless memes.
>>60809249
I can't believe you're still posting desu senpai
>>60809274
u 2 bb
Here we have a random guy which doesn't like STP, and that's fine, he's entitled to that opinion and has baited at least 20 people to discuss, and look like a pretentious faggot.
And he did it for free, only for the keks.
>>60809378
and keks were had
>>60809424
Not really
>>60809555
Speak for yourself faggot
>>60808925
>has nothing to do with eddie vedder
>clearly came from a butthurt eddie vedder
and you have nothing to do with Eddie Vedder, right? Fucking moron.
>>60809570
Think of how much music you could have made in that time it took you to troll on 4chan.
>>60809616
here's your reply
>>60809619
I'm literally doing both at once aamof
Pearl jam was a rhcp cover band before they came into their own.
Kurt Cobain was trying to rip off the pixies and the Melvins.
>>60809731
>Pearl jam was a rhcp cover band before they came into their own.
>>60806890
so were Alice in Chains
>>60809869
They were actually from Seattle though. Also, Layne was a way better singer, and Jerry was a way better songwriter.
>>60809642
>I'm literally doing both at once aamof
Doubtful. You didn't even know how to chart something out.
>>60809907
To be fair, the DeLeo Brothers wrote almost all of STP's music, not Weiland.
>>60806628
Oh hi Kurt, did you come back from the grave just to make this post?
Alright let's clear this shitstorm up
>Scott Weiland started out sounding like Eddie Vedder, but eventually developed his sound into something more (Velvet Revolver), unlike Scott Stapp.
>every grunge band was not part of the cash in, in fact Nirvana was riding on the coat tails of the Melvins and Mudhoney before they made nevermind, so fuck all you "nirvana is the only good grunge band" ignorant fucks
>Scott Weiland's death was not surprising but it was extremely sad, as a man who had been battling addiction for so long finally caved into it. Show some respect.
>Weiland, yes, is a legendary frontman. Someone that can take over Guns n roses after axl and create something totally new requires a legendary frontman. So OP is wrong in that sense.
>>60808243
he rips off layne staley more imo
>>60809973
>Scott Weiland started out sounding like Eddie Vedder, but eventually developed his sound into something more (Velvet Revolver), unlike Scott Stapp.
He had evolved his voice by the third STP album, and even on some of the 2nd
>every grunge band was not part of the cash in, in fact Nirvana was riding on the coat tails of the Melvins and Mudhoney before they made nevermind,
Nirvana had developed their own sound while making Bleach, that sounded nothing like either Mudhoney or Melvins.
>>60809933
lmao
>>60809973
>>Scott Weiland started out sounding like Eddie Vedder, but eventually developed his sound into something more (Velvet Revolver), unlike Scott Stapp.
This is true but that doesn't mean his music was good
>Nirvana was riding on the coat tails of the Melvins and Mudhoney before they made nevermind
Neither of those bands had any coat tails. In fact, both of them saw way more mainstream success than they ever in a million years would have as a direct result of Nirvana blowing up.
>>Scott Weiland's death was not surprising but it was extremely sad, as a man who had been battling addiction for so long finally caved into it. Show some respect.
I agree, but I also think you should cry harder about it
>>Weiland, yes, is a legendary frontman. Someone that can take over Guns n roses after axl and create something totally new requires a legendary frontman. So OP is wrong in that sense.
This is a completely subjective series of statements that have no connection to reality. Axl was many times the frontman Scott ever was and Velvet Revolver pales in comparison to GnR.
>>60810217
>If I don't like it, it's not good!
>>>/reddit/
>>60810260
>Scott Weiland was a legend!
>>>/reddit/
>>60806569
>one of the greatest voices of his generation
Literally no one under 30 gives a fuck
>>60810293
>Nirvana is the only good grunge band!
>>/hot topic/
>>60810217
>>Axl was many times the frontman Scott ever was
What about that time Axl walked off during a concert? I think a real legendary frontman can shrug off a few glass bottles to the face.
>>60810324
I literally never said anything like that, but it's cute that it's the only argument you can come up with
>>60810354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfgJjfB9w-I
WHAT A LEGEND
Can't believe people can shitpost and hate on a guy who just died that you didn't even know. I find it tragically hilarious that you wouldn't be posting in this thread unless you liked something the guy did.
>>60810413
>muh moral high ground
>on 4chan
m8 you're a fucking pussy kek
>>60810413
>you wouldn't be posting in this thread unless you liked something the guy did
that makes literally zero sense
>>60810463
this
>>60806569
let's all agree with op on his right an knowledge to settle who is part or not of music history....
>>60810510
What it means is I'm laughing at the fact that faggots come on this Cambodian fine cutlery forum and shitpost about some dude they didn't even know
>>60809792
It's true
>>60810640
If that's the case then you could post that same sentiment in literally every thread that has ever been created on this entire website you fucking crybaby.
>>60810413
So, I'm going to pick an easy target for the sake of argument. If Chad Kroeger of Nickelback died, and there was a thread here about it where everyone trashed the guy... that means they secretly like Nickelback, yes?
See that argument might make sense of this was the official Stone Temple Pilots forum or something, where fans of the band would congregate, but its not.
>>60810640
>I'm watching people being retarded
>I'm above people here
I bet you think yourself better than others because you don't watch reality TV right?
>>60810676
(not true, by the way)
>>60810293
Quote me where I said that
>>60810322
We really don't give a fuck about you people under 30, and there's more of us than you.
>>60810735
if you're not him you're supposed to say "not him" faggot
>>60810735
Scott Weiland is already lost on the upcoming generations, he'll be a footnote at best in grunge history, a genre of music that is one of the least respected
>>60810712
Every pearl jam fan knows this.
Well it's actually that Eddie vendor played in a rhcp cover band before he joined pearl jam. The point about him imitating someone else before finding his own voice still stands.
>>60810851
*vedder
Autocorrect
>>60810851
there is literally nothing true about what you just said
>>60810898
Oh your trolling. My bad
we must remeber than alice in chains was the first successful grunge band
>>60810955
>still doesn't provide a reputable source
hmm, ok den
There is literally nothing wrong with Weiland or any of his music
>>60811064
yeah but there's nothing good about it either
>>60810851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjI9XzMHVdk
sound like Eddie vedder
>>60811019
This is one of those obscure facts it's hard to find a source for beyond anecdotes (there aren't any recordings as far as I know) unless you were there yourself or know someone who was, but the most reputable of all anecdotes is from Anthony kiedis autobiography.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=VUSZAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT203&lpg=PT203&dq=scar+tissue+Eddie+vedder+cover+band&source=bl&ots=Lxqc9uKJNy&sig=F74NtTBMJSUF6JAMhljH46uyQfo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimrLyjt8PJAhXm4IMKHcRqAVwQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=scar%20tissue%20Eddie%20vedder%20cover%20band&f=false
This is pretty well known amongst die hard panel jam fans though, but if you want to continue to be in denial go ahead.
>>60811144
PEARL*
>>60811144
>the most reputable source is one anecdote from the book written by and about a petty junkie who probably can't remember most of his own life
Even if it's true, it's not nearly the same thing. When you're in a cover band, you do somewhat of an imitation of the original vocalist. It's not the same as using a voice that's not your own to get famous off your "original" music. I don't even know why you brought it up desu senpai.
I've never listened to this band and I have to agree. It sounds straight up like Pearl Jam.
What proxy battle is being fought by our world governments today while we argue about this hack?
>>60811258
That was when they started writing their own material
Why is /mu/ so butthurt about people like STP? Are you all like 17 or something?
another.
dead.
junkie.
>>60808167
Well, that's your opinion. I really like that song.
>>60811653
This is the 4th STP thread I've been in today and the third one which is mostly shitflinging. The only good one was in the afternoon.
>>60811653
It's just /mu/ being /mu/.
Purple is a pretty good fucking album.
TAKES TIME WITH A WOUNDED HAND
'CAUSE IT LIKES TO STEAL
IT LIKES TO HEAL
AND I'M HALF THE MAN I USED TO BE
HALF THE MAN I USED TO BE
>>60811262
>I've never listened to this band and I have to agree. It sounds straight up like Pearl Jam
Vat? They don't really sound that much like PJ. PJ's sound is more like stadium rock with two guitars and lots of solos.
>>60806569
The Vedder comparison is bullshit.
Somebody post some stuff from the Mighty Joe Young(aka pre-Core STP) demo where Weiland does his crooning. Recorded while Vedder was still spending his time surfing in California.
>>60812491
Case in point. Core was their debut album and they didn't have as much creative control as they would on subsequent records. The Vedder impersonation and radio-friendly songs were mainly done to get their name out there.
It's no different from Nevermind and Ten being much more commercial than the material those bands released later.
>>60812038
>>60811986
Like, who cares about the semantics of STP's "genre". Funny thing is, I'm sure atleast half of /mu/ isn't even old enough to remember 9/11, let alone the 90's, so the cultural significance of STP and that time is lost on them. I don't think anyone is equating Scott Weiland with a genius of any sort, but to those of us who enjoyed him and STP, today sucks.
>>60806569
perhaps he's not dead? go and try CPR again.
>>60812566
>It's no different from Nevermind and Ten being much more commercial than the material those bands released later.
yes it is
>>60806816
They're more pop-punk than anything. So-called "punk" kids all over the States realized they could just be lazy douches who wrote catchy verse-chorus-verse songs whose lyrics were nothing but word vomit that made no sense once Nevermind got huge. Punk had a message to convey in simplistic, down-to-earth lyrics and music; Nirvana and pop-punk just took a shit, put it on record, and watched the cash fall into their lap while they were still on the toilet. The fact that Love's almost certainly still getting those checks for Kurt refusing to crack (long after he cracked) all over the radio and in the local Wal-Mart just shows that Nirvana, no different than Blink-182 and Lit, are a product, not a legitimate band.
>>60812648
lmao
>>60812648
>So-called "punk" kids all over the States realized they could just be lazy douches who wrote catchy verse-chorus-verse songs whose lyrics were nothing but word vomit that made no sense once Nevermind got huge.
Big deal. RHCP were doing word vomit songs well before Nevermind. You think Cobain originated that style?
>>60812582
The sad thing is that most of /mu/ is probably deeper in their 20s than I am; aside from the memers who only come here to shitpost funny maymays about music in a slightly more concentrated manner than they would on /b/, they're twentysomethings who want to shit all over the band and the man simply because he's a popular guy whose death is being mourned all over none other than rock radio nationwide, even as they play Pop Evil, Godsmack, and slightly more STP in "respect".
I don't even like STP or Weiland that much, but really, it's kind of sad, as juvenile as it is. Oh well, you can't expect much more from a place that's become a meme factory that shits on music it likes as much as it praises it.
scaruffi seems to like his first solo album. you guys have any thoughts on it?
>>60812793
>The sad thing is that most of /mu/ is probably deeper in their 20s than I am
I'm 19.
>>60812566
Nah bro, what I'm saying is he does the grunge growl thing all over an EP they recorded in like 1989.
There's actual Core songs on it! Early versions of Wicked Garden, Where the River Goes, and Naked Sunday.
I actually think he toned it down a bit on those songs by the time Core was released.
Regardless this argument is like 20 years past settled.....too bad most people are just on the wrong side of it.
>>60812773
No, I know they didn't originate it, but in trading the in-your-face sexuality and machismo for suburban white kid boredom and truly meaningless lyrics (supposedly gleaned from snippets of his surely sterling poetry), and whininess to spare, they did pave the way for the legions of similarly-inclined whine rockers who would come to rebel against society in such meaningful ways as not brushing/going out and dyeing their hair.
>>60812934
it's not bait but I laughed hard at this image
>>60812825
The promo version with Lazy Divey is the very good. It kinda sounds like he has no idea what he's doing, but like in a bombastic, creative, and earnest kind of way. Really more 'out there' than what his contemporaries have ever fucked around d with.
>>60812861
Grunge had made its way to California by the time that happened, that's how they new it was going to be huge.
>>60813031
Not the Vedder Cheddar brand.
>>60813031
>>60813108
Even if grunge was on the lips of West Coast underground club scenes , Mighty Joe Young was still way ahead of the curve compared to many other bands that get erroneously lumped in with them, like Bush, Collective Soul, Sponge, and Candlebox. Hell, Temple of the Dog didn't release their album until 1991 and that was basically Vedder's audition to Pearl Jam.
>>60806569
have you even listened to STP? weiland sounds nothing like vedder for a lot of his music
I AMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
SMELLING LIKE A ROSE THAT SOMEBODY GAVE ME ON MY BIRTHDAY DEATHBED
>>60814579
I guess he's actually smelling like cocaine these days.
But then, did he ever stop smelling like that?
>>60814687
Cocaine has a very moreish smell.
>>60806604
he's right you pleb
>>60806708
/trash/
did he even get a sticky?
>>60806628
they all ripped off Mudhoney t b h
>>60807570
Influence =/= sound like blend of
Elvis Presley influenced a lot of groups who started out in the mid-60's, but only Elvis really sounded like Elvis. I couldn't imagine what David Gilmour's guitar would sound like if the implications you just made were true. An influence should be used to inspire an artist to make his own music, not to be completely copied by said artist.
BUTT.
ROCK.
BUTT ROCK.
>>60813943
This.
>>60809907
jerry was a racecar driver
>>60806569
Let's break down OP's statement, okay?
>Eddie Vedder blah blah blah Eddie Vedder blah blah blah Eddie Vedder blah blah blah Eddie Vedder blah blah blah Eddie Vedder blah blah blah Eddie Vedder blah blah blah Scott Weiland blah blah blah Scott Weiland blah blah blah Scott Stapp blah blah blah STP blah blah blah Scot Weiland...
All the fucking name dropping... Like it makes you sound important but it only makes you sound pretentious as fuck.
>>60808764
>'I never made it past 7th grade education'.
It's like you're trying to be retarded.
Scott Weiland did Eddie Vedder better than Eddie Vedder
>>60806569
>pretentious non-musicians discrediting talented artists because they didn't pioneer the sound that got them famous
he's not a legend, but your derision is laughable and contrarian enough to get you a bunch of (you)s on the most subjective board on this cantonese cartography compendium
fuck off cunt
>>60816615
typical STP fan non-argument
>>60816853
>scott weiland
>talented
>>60816860
>Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Scott Weiland Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder Eddie Vedder
>>60816886
epic blanket dismissal memedrop friendo
>>60816943
haha! grrr! I'm mad! great pciture! ahh!
>>60816975
>haha! I was only pretending
You plebs arguing on who a better singer vedder, wetland, cobain, and even shitbag snapp. Chad Kroeger is a god compared to these guys.
>>60817073
no one ITT is arguing who's a better singer, can you go kill yourself so this shit thread can die already
>>60806569
OP is a faggot. Go back to your noisecore , meme threads, and nigger music, better yet shoot yourself in the face.
>>60817123
You'd never make it as a wise man
>>60817188
maybe my 6 will
>>60817188
This is good. Nice.
>>60817167
Rude
>>60817073
Messiah Marcolin is better than all
>>60806569
You're an idiot. He was an artist and he was totally aware of selling out (as he sings about in Bang, Bang Baby) but he still stayed true to who he was and is LEGENDARY. Stay mad.
Velvet Revolver was great
I never saw them as pandering. I sincerely think that when they made songs like Creep and Dead and Bloated were best they could come up with.
Sell out? There was never even a potential for anything greater.
>>60806569
Guy was a legend in my book.
I grew up sucking STP's tit and loved every minute of it.
You don't like him, then whatever, I don't care.
As for me, he was one of the greats.
>>60806569
>makes you uncomfortable
Why, because you are this Rock'n'Roll guy that knows all about R'n'R so you you deserve more credit than some guy that actually lived it?
Hey man I don't consider STP any huge deal, but honestly Scott was there and he is one of the top recognized frontmen of his age. I don't care who thinks how good any of it was, but I mean, if you're so upset about him being called a "legend" by only SOME people, and on 4chan no less...
He's more legendary than you or I or a lot of faggots on this board in a totally literal sense at least.
I'm just saying who cares. People talk about other people after they die and the bands they were in. Most important thing is if you found something in the music they made, and if you didn't, fine.
>>60806795
Dude Vedder can go suck one.
I'm with Wieland on this one bud.
>>60818484
You're right.
>>60806569
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8VROjKDiBs
1990
This is why I never come to /mu/ a bunch of pseudo intellects trying to justify their shit taste in music and going all " I liked that song before it was popular" I am 36 years old and d3lt with you type of wannabe hipsters all my life, and yes, /mu/ is so hipster it hurts. Yeah, when stp first came out, they ripped off pearl jam, but if you listened to more than their first 2 adults you would find Scott actually has a huge vocal range. He was a it imitators for sure, but his vocal range was among the greatest. All you fags do is "lol, I liked it before it was popular, now it sucks" you people and teeny girls have all contributed to the shit that is called music. I'll be over here listening to what I like and staying away from the radio, Disney radio, and mtv. Enjoy being the biggest coporate sell outs of any generation with your shallow lyrics and computer drum beats.
>>60819159
don't you have a viagra to pop so you can get in your four drops of piss for the day?
>>60806569
Maybe but he was a guy that liked to try new things. Maybe at first, to get the band's foot in, the group went the Eddie Veder route to then do their own shit later on (which they did).
I don't think he deserve the sudden great accolade but compared to what's around right now, compared to anything at all, the "mediocre" of yesterday probably is something that could be good enough to be a stepping stone for tomorrow immediately.
Don't get me wrong, he and STP were one of those bands that were just above one-hit wonder status. And he's no trailblazer for sure. But he tried to go places where either people forgot and left behind or played around to what was indeed commercially viable and sometimes in that pursuit, made something that people got behind and liked.
Weiland is legendary because you have posted multiple 300+ threads about him.
Fuck off OP
https://youtu.be/zU1yA9ojiM0
he is the best 90s vocalist desu
pic related
Scott Weiland was more of a Layne Staley imitator 2bh.
>>60820296
>The damn shame is that he was actually a pretty gifted vocalist when he wasn't affecting a yarl
it's like nobody reads anymore
>>60820229
The same can be said of 3Pac
>>60809792
The Pearl Jam song 'Dirty Frank' (which was originally by Vedder's previous band, Bad Radio) clearly shows he was in a RHCP style band originally.
There's an old video of it on youtube where Eddie even does that retarded shit with his hands that rappers and wiggers do when performing.
>>60820783
Wow, that's a pretty good song
Now I kind of wish Eddie was the singer for RHCP because Keidis fucking sucks and RHCP had more talented musicians
>>60820672
He wasn't an anybody imitator, but whenever people compare him to one of the big 4 singers, I'm amazed that it isn't Layne Staley. Whenever someone tell me he sounded lik Eddie Vedder I think they need to get their ears checked. That's not a figure of speech, I mean they legitimately should get checked out.
>>60820993
autism speaks
>>60820893
that song fuckin sucks bro
so do rhcp
and so do YOU
>>60806628
Hey Cole, how's Sky doing?
>>60812648
What a bunch of bullshit.
Just curiosity: what kind of music do you like?
>>60821010
So who do you think he ripped off?
>>60806569
Man, I remember when people would write STP on their backpacks to gain popularity
That shit was embarrassing, those kids had the 'emo' attitude during the grunge era. Meanwhile the real 'emo's (Smiths fans and whoever else) were normal by comparison.
I swear, one day you'd see the quiet nerdy kid nobody paid attention to come to school looking like a Kurt Cobain impersonator with Nirvana and STP patches, all of a sudden everyone thought he was cool.. smdh, posers will always exist
Did STP, and Weiland by extension, actually do anything of historic merit.
Anything. Just pick one.
>>60821741
Yes
>>60821777
I accept this.
>>60806569
Nobody will give a shit about this guy in a few days, just let the buzz happen
>>60822085
Yeah because that's how it works. You're so freaking cool man!
>>60806569
I can agree that we tend to idealize people after they die, at least for a time.
>Before Eddie Vedder, nobody in mainstream music was singing like Eddie Vedder. It was only after he became the most instant success out of all the 90's singers that people started to say, "Hey maybe I should go BWEHHHEHEAYYYEAHHHRAWWWN," which they all did, and they all made millions of dollars.
But what's so good about going "BWEHHHEHEAYYYEAHHHRAWWWN" though? Because it seemed "original" at the time?
I guess you have a point in that regard, but "original" does not mean "good" and the fact is that Scott Weiland only "aped" Vedder for one album if you want to call it that, and after that was absolutely proven to be the better singer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiubO7z39Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L35vA9-DZl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhCwLD6-UdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8iFcLpz1E8
He had a rare gift for melody and harmony. No amount of BWEHHHEHEAYYYEAHHHRAWWWN can outshine that, no matter how new it seemed at the time.
He is undoubtedly a legend. His own contemporaries admit as much.
>>60806569
>>60807659
>I Only Listened to Core: The Thread
>>60807939
>>60807985
>>60808030
even worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBR8EnlKJw
>>60806569
>This man is not a "legend"
Time will tell how much of a legend he will become. Fact is he's a famous dead guy who made a lot of music a lot of people love. And some anonymous twat on a korean weeaboo board's shitty opinion doesn't change anything.
>>60808142
>several albums in
True, but even by Purple, just the 2nd album, he already sounded entirely different compared to Core, and was honestly better for it. It's one of the biggest differences between albums that you could ever hear.
I mean the guys not even my favorite singer of the genre, that's Layne Staley by a landslide, but come the fuck on. Weiland is one of the most memorable singers of the last 50 years.
He performed with The Doors for a reason.
>>60806569
1. STP were around years before Pearl Jam and have demos from before PJ released Ten where they sound more or less the same. It just happened that their debut album came out a year after Pearl Jam's.
2. Weiland never sounded that similar to Vedder. Only on Core can the comparison really be made (mainly Plush) and by the time they got to Tiny Music Weiland proved he was a versatile vocalist and that his more standard singing voice was relatively unique.
3. Even if they were trying to cop Pearl Jam's sound they did a good fucking job and wrote a lot of great songs.
>>60824188
He's been known as one of the best and most recognizable voices/names in 90s rock for many years now. Time pretty much already has told.
If Weiland is a rip off of Vedder then Vedder is a shitty rip off of Cornell
I do love all 3 though. Tbh Cornell in his prime was basically the voice of god.
>>60824222
>Weiland proved he was a versatile vocalist and that his more standard singing voice was relatively unique.
Trips speak truth.
Weiland was actually a better singer than Vedder especially in the long run. A much wider range of styles he could do. I love both but if I was forming a band and had to choose between those two as the singer I'd definitely go Weiland.
>>60824222
Trips confirm. The similarity ends with Core.
>>60824323
Personally I don't see him mentioned as much as Cobain, Vedder, Staley or Cornell. But I agree he's already essentially a legend. I guess what I mean is that now that he's dead his legendary status may increase a bit.
>>60824208
>Weiland is one of the most memorable singers of the last 50 years.
I'd say that's just because STP's early singles are spammed on rock radio and because Interstate Love Song semi-regularly makes it into "best of rock/heavy metal" lists, which nearly always have it playing distant second banana to Would?, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Even Flow, and Black Hole Sun, and (in VH1's case) have their credibility damaged by being mostly composed of cock rock.
Maybe that's just my cynicism talking, but I doubt he would've gotten nearly as big as he did without the media propping him up, and even then, only as that guy in fourth place from that other band who did okay but didn't really earn a trophy.
>>60824381
This. They were all great. You're right about Cornell too. For me it's him and Jeff Buckley.
Anyone who has the balls to doubt Chris Cornell should do themselves a favor and listen to Beyond The Wheel.
I'd say that Scott was a more exciting frontman than Eddie too. Especially in his coked-to-the-eyeballs stage. He was a better showman.
>>60806569
Having just woken to the news of this passing, I feel compelled to put pen to paper and pay my respects to Scott. And in that I will not pretend to know more than I know, or add some sad homily to how he loved his life. At least in that, may I now say he is undoubtably in the arms of grace and eternal love.
May I also offer my humble condolences to his family, friends, and band mates; who have, and are, suffering this great loss. For when anyone as vaunted leaves far too soon, we mourn all that might have been.
As any fan, I find myself reflecting on what I do have in my own treasure chest: in scarce moments where Scott and I spoke as contemporaries or competitors, and got to know each as people other past the footlights and shadows we were so busy casting to the world. It may seem trite in reflection, but I'd try to make him giggle when I saw that the manic whirl of the dumb parties we were at (in Hollywood, no less!) might be causing undue stress.
It was, I'd guess you'd say, my way of apology for having been so critical of STP when they appeared on the scene like some crazy, man-fueled rocket. And not only was the knight up front freshly handsome to a fault, but he could sing too! As any supreme actor gives a real and different voice to each character played.
It was STP's 3rd album that had got me hooked, a wizardly mix of glam and post-punk, and I confessed to Scott, as well as the band many times, how wrong I'd been in assessing their native brilliance. And like Bowie can and does, it was Scott's phrasing that pushed his music into a unique, and hard to pin down, aesthetic sonicsphere.
Lastly, I'd like to share a thought which though clumsy, I hope would please Scott In Hominum. And that is if you asked me who I truly believed were the great voices of our generation, I'd say it were he, Layne, and Kurt.
So it goes beyond tragedy to say it is we who lost them, and not the other way round...
WILLIAM CORGAN
>>60824409
Am I the only one who thinks none of these grunge icons really deserve that "legendary" status? I feel like Cobain only got it because he killed himself, and Staley too, while Vedder's pretty much gone stale, and Cornell's taken an absolutely rank direction with his solo career, effectively shitting on his own legacy.
Weiland was alright, but Christ, he did meld together with the sort of white boy faux-swagger these guys always seemed to flaunt to some degree at some point; they all kind of sounded the same. I guess it's better than going the Cobain route, writing lyrics like that and being totally incapable of singing on top of it.
>>60824439
Eh. He did too much of that standard "Rock Star" bullshit. Doing weird feminine dances and wearing strange costumes.
I think Vedder was FAR better in the early days, when he was jumping around and climbing shit and jumping into the audience. But it wasn't too long before Pearl Jam as a whole lost their live energy overall.
>>60824414
> but I doubt he would've gotten nearly as big as he did without the media propping him up,
Isn't that how a band gets "big" in the first place? You don't have a platinum-or-higher album without the media somehow being involved.
What defines "media"? If you think about it, stapling Might Joe Young flyers around town is media just like VH1 placing Interstate Love Song on a Top Whatever list is media. Maybe they were being "propped up" because [shocker] they really were good.
If your argument is that he's on the "lower end" of Legend, then I guess I could understand, since even at legend status some can be "more" legendary than others.
>>60824414
>I'd say that's just because STP's early singles are spammed on rock radio
I think what you mean to say is that they're popular. STP had a bunch of hits and songs they're known for m8. It's not just spamming.
Besides nobody listens to the fucking radio anymore anyway.
>>60824437
I always thought Say Hello 2 Heaven was his most impressive vocal performance, at least in the studio
>>60824466
>I feel compelled to put pen to paper and pay my respects to Scott.
>it was Scott's phrasing that pushed his music into a unique, and hard to pin down, aesthetic sonicsphere.
God what a fucking twat
>>60807335
That's like, your opinion man.
>>60808721
False. You have shit taste in music.
>>60824566
>>60824588
Checked and rekt.
They were popular for a reason, and the reason is people liked them. Probably because they made good music. Market forces and such.
The other guy is making sound like some Payola shit.
>>60824591
>not Slaves and Bulldozers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEM-1kKcg7g
>>60824588
It just feels like they're known for their hits and not much else. I know that's how a lot of big bands are, but still, it feels a little shallow. Certainly, I'd say "spamming" would apply more in the cases of the latest Pop Evil, Shinedown, Disturbed, and Papa Roach singles (which surely won't be remembered as fondly), but STP is still a darling of rock radio where I live, if nothing else.
>Besides nobody listens to the fucking radio anymore anyway.
I do at work, because rock radio is all my bosses will tolerate, and my co-worker tends to blare it on his four big speakers. It's not a big deal until the aforementioned post-grunge/nu metal bands start playing; it becomes unbelievably annoying after that.
>>60824466
What a pretentious tit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/3vjs5m/my_thoughts_on_scott_weiland/
>>60824626
He's just deep, man. It's hard to be anything else when you're a bald, washed-up has-been. Don't hate on him.
>>60824745
>It just feels like they're known for their hits and not much else
No fuckin shit. That's what makes it a hit. If you're known for it it's a fucking hit. If it's a hit, you're known for it.
That the fuck is wrong with you? If it's popular then it's popular.
>>60824745
>It just feels like they're known for their hits and not much else. I know that's how a lot of big bands are, but still
Sorry but you're just not making much sense here. Yeah they're known for their hits, that's how any band is. Nirvana is known mostly for Teen Spirit, Come as You Are, All Apologies and In Bloom. Pearl Jam is known for Alive, Jeremy, Even Flow, Better Man.
Like any popular band the fans will have songs that weren't as popular that they consider greats and STP have that as well. You just don't know about them... well unless you're a fan.
>>60824760
>people are commenting and agreeing
>>60824877
By my experience, Redditors will believe almost anything you tell them. That they believed what was originally obvious bait is no surprise at all.
>>60824991
That happens everyday here
>>60806569
Print this off and shove it up your arse
>>60825032
I know; I still remember the uproar over the TPP on /a/, here, and elsewhere. People legitimately believed they would go to jail for just about anything, including something as small as the Rocko post in this >>60824805 for example, since companies like Viacom would love the increased legal muscle. There weren't supposed to be anymore sharethreads and piracy was supposed to effectively dead 60 days after some day in late September/early October, yet here we are, with two of them in the catalog, no arrests, and only a bunch of takedowns of high-profile Mega links in the archive to show for it.
Hell, I bet I could tell everyone that rutracker's going to lie down and die because of the big three American record companies filing a lawsuit, never to spring up again like thepiratebay, and I bet they'd believe it.
