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What albums are postmodern?
Kid A
>>60667161
lol good one, but seriously
>>60667171
Seriously what? Why not you expand the topic and post some albums that you think are postmodern.
Some MF Doom is postmodern, e.g. tick tick and certain parts of mm food and take me to your leader
Most music nowadays is t b h
>>60667185
faust s/t
>>60667187
kill yourself
>>60667208
lmao sorry about your inferiority complex
Postmodern music would be plunderphonics and vaporwave, because it's recycling old culture and reforming it into something new.
>>60667213
no need to apologize
>>60667220
Basic definition but this anon nails it.
is this starting to make sense?
bring all your pennies
to the five and dime.
wave goodbye. wave goodbye.
wave goodbye. wave goodbye.
say the things you want to hear,
but don't do the things we say.
that kind of talk is for
phone calls at 4 am and
mix tape nostalgia.
it's too quiet.
every word means something different.
we'll recover like a brick to the face.
>>60667220
thats not at all what postmodernism is. vaporwave and its knockoffs (hypnagogic music at large) is made by retarded faggots who've never had trauma in their lives and think theres deeper meaning to their shitty music
>>60667220
>Postmodern music would be plunderphonics and vaporwave
/mu/ really is the youngest board on this site
>>60667269
>>60667250
>disregards definition of postmodernism
>doesn't define what postmodernism is
really fellas?
Postmodernism is about the lack of new culture and progression which modernism brought in. The result of that is music that instead of making new things, uses the culture of the past, mixing it with completely different cultures from around the world and creating music from all those references.
>>60667362
i bet when you listen to 2814 and macintosh plus and daniel lopatin you're thinking "bro this is so post modern lloool" xDD
>>60667220
>into something new
Vaporwave is nothing new though. It's literally just plunderphonics with an aesthetic that separates it from other plunderphonics. (just because something has a new aesthetic, doesn't mean its musically anything new)
Philip Glass - Glassworks
>>60667432
I never said vaporwave was anything new, you can place it within plunderphonics or outside of it, the point still stands
>>60667442
LOL
>>60667466
LOL
>>60667410
if one of you could give an example of postmodern music, or actually argue against my point, that'd be great
>>60667480
no because i dont want a pleb fucking idiot listening to actual good music thats postmodern
id much rather you continue listening to vaporwave faggot hypnagogic james ferraro dick sucking pleb
BRO VAPORWAVE = CAPITALIZMS IS VERY BADD LMAOOOO XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>60667432
It is taking something that already existed, old or used, and creating something new out of those sound/collages. In more than an art form, it is an expression where art (and sound in this case) is not a property and it is to be explored and be freely used by whoever. It is taking a single or various songs and try creating it into something new by mixing it together, repeating certain loops etc.
>>60667516
No one here said vaporwave was good, that wasn't OPs question, quit your superiority complex and give an actual example.
You clearly don't know what postmodernism is, but you've heard it's intellectual and you've heard vaporwave is dumb.
See >>60667555
>>60667555
>and creating something new out of those sound/collages.
you literally cant create something new using old things
>>60667590
you're dead wrong, listen to musique concrete.
>>60667590
I dunno, I don't think you can compare Avalanches to the music that they sampled from, they created an album entirely musically separate from the old stuff.
>>60667609
musique concrete is nothing new. its just reforming old stuff to sound different
different =/= new
>>60667617
go listen to that post modern trash then faggot XDDD
>>60667590
In the ideology of post-modernism and structuralism, it is. For example in pop music, the time signature 4/4 is widely used in many songs. Musicians follow this simple structure to create their songs, nothing new is created. They are just following a musical notation that has already existed long ago. If you want to argue whether the music is good or bad, that's another story and I won't go there because one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Saying vaporwave is new because it takes old elements and makes minor changes to them is like saying that if I take an ambient album and fart for a second in it and record that as the final product then im making something post modern
>>60667657
>In the ideology
stopped reading right there, ideology is the key word that faggots who are wrong use. no need to further engage your antics you retarded dumb ass
>>60667639
in the world of sampling, yes, it's creating something new. you clearly haven't done your research.
>>60667639
what are you even saying man, it's fine to just admit you were wrong sometimes.
and about musique concrete, of course its new, its completely different from the original sample. it's not different, it's been restructured and reframed to create new music.
You could argue that piano players just make different notes with the piano, but nothing new. But that would be retarded.
>>60667671
>stopped reading right there, ideology is the key word that faggots who are wrong use. no need to further engage your antics you retarded dumb ass
This is arts, not science. Everything in arts is subjective, if this is something objective like math or physics, then you may proceed to tell me to fuck off.
>>60667675
>havent done your research
stopped reading righ thtere, highly ironic coming from a tripfagg
>>60667701
You stopped reading there because you are too stupid to understand any of these.
>>60667161
If you look at what they're actually doing from their perspective it's very serious anti-art and a continuation of that whole fluxus/ New York. It's at that fine line where punk, progressive, and art rock meet.
>>60667691
>>60667695
>comparing music concrete to vaporwave
top fucking kek why am i even responding anymore
jesus crhist /lit/ woul dhave a field dy with hthis thread man. i can hear them laughing at you retardes lol
>>60667701
of course you would stop reading there seeing as how that was the last thing i said in that post, retard. your lack of self-awareness is hysterical, how old are you, honestly?
>>60667671
you're edging on an interesting discussion there, how much do you need to edit a sample for it to be considered new music. But you didn't say that, you just told people to fuck off.
Also don't shit on peoples arguaments without actually arguing back, either accept you're wrong, go away or argue back.
>>60667590
One of the stupidest things I've read on here in a while, holy shit
>>60667738
>how old are you, honestly?
stopped reading there, its true that the myth goes "losers always go after adhominen attacks" like you're exhibiting right now. no need to further engage in arguments
>>60667749
this kid still talking xD
bro vaporwave is shit just accept that you fucking retard
>>60667701
>>60667722
>stopped reading right there
>tripfagg
>top fucking kek
you're just repeating things you heard on 4chan and desperately trying to fit in, be yourself for fuck sakes
>>60667778
>stopping reading there
wtf how did you seriously do this twice in a row? yes, you stopped reading there, because that was the last thing i said in that post. get it now? you can't be a day over 16, there's no way.
>>60667801
you're right, i was wrong
im sorry
>>60667778
you never engaged the argument in the first place you spack
>>60667816
>>60667801
Saying stopped reading right there at the end of someone's sentence is a popular meme on the 4chans. You guys must be new to not fall for how obvious and apparent this faggot's bait has been.
>>60667839
i took that use of 4chan text mems as an un-ironic attempt to look like he had been on the site for years. ur probably right its bait
>>60667839
oh i'm more than aware of the meme, it's every other context about this guy that makes it seem like there's no meme connotation. then again he's most likely trolling so frig it.
4chan is post modernism, this is where all things come to an end, everything's a meme so nothings a meme, there is no value, art is dead, we all kill ourselves to become the only true meme, nihil.
>>60667871
>>60667865
I'm>>60667839
and the shitposter. And yes I was pretending to be retarded because I was bored. It brought me a lot of laughs
>>60667900
think ur funny guy ?
>>60667900
i think we've all learnt a lesson here,
might stick to 5x5s from now on
>>60667925
not at all but i laughed a lot
>>60667935
come on guy there are other great threads on /mu/. just dont take most of it too seriously
>>60667249
>tfw the reference is gone.
where did it go?
>a past so far gone.
Yeezus and MBTDF
i think all sampled music would be considered post modern
you people know post-modernism is a thing since the 70's right
a quintessential post-modern album would be something from brian eno
The Ark Work desu, literally made with postmodernism intention and thought
>>60667362
>Postmodernism is about the lack of new culture and progression which modernism brought in.
what the fuck are you on
seriously
why did you come with this bullshit
Naked City - Torture Garden
Alfred Schnittke - Symphony One
IOSYS - Whoa! Hyper Denpa-Chan
Would Frank Zappa's Freak Out count btw?
>>60669478
Only if it makes references to other music.
Vaporwave would be post-modern, while Sound Collage wouldn't (in most cases).
>Daniel Albright summarizes the main tendencies of musical postmodernism as (Albright 2004, 12):
>>Bricolage
>>Polystylism
>>Randomness
so what would that be /mu/?
>>60670123
freak out can be in many ways considered the first big post-modern popular music album
>>60669600
i repeat
>disregards definition of postmodernism
>doesn't define what postmodernism is
>>60670396
Nice
>>60667149
is'nt all popular music post-1950s postmodern?
David Bowie Blackstar
>>60670418
it's just that there are so many wrong things with that sentence
post-modernism isn't about "lacking" anything. otherwise it would be about vagueness, which it isn't.
post-modernism, like most things that get labeled with "post-X", is pretty much a bunch of different stuff lumped in together by timeframe (as in, they happened at around the same time) and are about a sort of reaction to what came before (the "X" I was talking about). that's where the name comes from, it was literally coined as "ok this is different now, it's after modernism, so its post-modernism".
post-modernism art can usually be categorized into different "branches" (you can, for instance, very clearly demark minimalism as a "branch" of post-modernism) or by association with big names (people will say things like "warholesque" and "lynchian")
sure, some people (bored journalists mostly) might try to describe post-modernism as much as they can (i've read sutff like "confidence in uncertainty", "randomness" and "making fun of everything"), but i'm sure if you find some work of art who fits all three you can find something that fits neither but is also considered post-modern.
it's just too vague of a term imo. that doesn't mean there aren't certain things that are for sure post-modern, like brian eno and frank zappa.
>>60667883
well, that was underwhelming
*picks-up spork*
>>60670123
hope your happy with the holds up spork meme that started as a result of your faggot tripping
john zorn
ariel pink
plunderphonics
vaporwave
eno
philip glass
velvet underground
merzbow
zappa
my understanding of postmodern is any work that is skeptical of its' own art form. meaning being ironic, self-referential, "in on the joke", although not necessarily in the way that would mean the art is meaningless, just in a way that would say: "i understand what i am".
this is pretty fucked up and hard to explain. modernist music would be:
john coltrane's 60s stuff (jazz in general)
prog
the vast majority of classical music
>>60671599
You still haven't actually defined it, you just explained why it's called post-modernism, and then given examples of postmodern artists. You can't just call it undefinable, that just isn't it at all. If modernism is striving for progression, in society and architecture and music and art and politics and general culture, post-modernism is the point after that goal-striving era. From post-modernism onwards (from that perspective), culture has been created, goals have been achieved, and new culture will now be formed around modernist culture. So new buildings will combine roman and brutalism. New art will combine cubism and pop art. New culture will combine western and eastern. And new music will combine 70s funk with 90s electronic, - plunderphonics. Culture is still made, but it is made from what's been created before. It is complete anarchy compared to the structured goal-led idea behind modernism.
Whether or not that's true in 2015 is debatable. But that's what postmodernism is.
>>60671805
>my understanding of postmodern is any work that is skeptical of its' own art form. meaning being ironic, self-referential, "in on the joke", although not necessarily in the way that would mean the art is meaningless, just in a way that would say: "i understand what i am".
your understanding is way off you dumb fucking idiot
but some of the artists you mentioned (zorn, vu, eno) are post modern
>>60671709
>that started as a result of your faggot tripping
Nah
>>60671858
How was Eno post-modern?
>>60671858
what is it then? i don't know how to articulate a definition. also calling me a dumb fucking idiot is rude. you cant insult people on the internet like that
>>60667778
To say "your arguments are made poorly because of reason x, therefore I assume you must be a child because only a child would not be aware of x when making the argument" is in no sense an ad hominem. You need to find a new meme word to dodge valid points with family.
>>60670388
Industrial music usually synthesizes numerous philosophies and occult beliefs into a singe, usually confused, message. It takes frome a diverse range of musical styles and instrumentation (especially post industrial in the vein of coil or NWW). It is also often unusual in its/seemingly lacking in musical structure. So going by that definition I'd argue industrial fits the bill.
>>60667149
the entire vaporwave/post-internet movement
