Why do people hate this again? I've been listening to it non stop for the past 2 days, it's freaking amazing!
HEY
recs like Liturgy pls
>>60513495
people are afraid of change and progress
>>60513837
especially metal fans
>>60513875
>especially metal fans
hey, metal fan here. let's not stereotype
>>60513595
early krallice
>>60513837
what's so different about this than standard black metal? It's a bit more dynamic with the metric and more atmospheric but that's it.
Nobody dislikes liturgy. And ark work is one of my top 5 albums 2015.
>>60513495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPkc02A3kcQ
Liturgy'[spoiler][/spoiler] fanbase consists of retards that know nothing about metal and experimental music
>>60513837
this guys get it
#refugeesin
>>60515646
bold claim right there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KB0epn21E
I like this a lot but it makes metal fans butthurt
>>60513875
oh, you mean people who have never listened to metal before can come in and judge what the new precedent of metal should be? I don't like the album because it fucking sucks and pathetic little indie boys come in and act like they're tough shit, when they're ignorant as hell.
>>60515685
thank you for proving his point
>>60515646
>is it expiriemental
Check
>do some people enjoy it
Check
Get off of your high horse faggot.
>>60515738
He's right though
>>60513837
This garbage is really not different from other American black metal, you fags only like it because of its marketing and pretentiousness
>>60515799
then give some examples that sound just like it
>>60515781
hes wrong, but honestly what am i saying. i wouldnt expect anything better from fans of hyperborean "music" (if you can even call it that)
>>60515822
can you please shut the fuck up? do you just like hearing your own thoughts?
>>60515873
its ok, i remember a time before i transcended hyperborean metal. youre going to get through it and you will be thankful it happened, but for now just stick to your metallica and burzum, ok? :)
>>60515644
that's a good intro and build up for the next song that follows though
>>60515644
>pleb can't into postminimal renaissance canons
typical trip
Why does everybody hate her?
>>60513547
RRRRRRHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY AYYYYYYYYYYYY HEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYY YAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY EEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY
>>60513595
Survival - HHH's side project
>>60515926
She can't compose. Much like those in OP. The only "transcendence" in their music is when they play in time together.
>>60516047
>Much like those in OP
I went to Columbia and was a philosophy major. I also studied avant-garde composition there with Tristan Murail, one of the inventors of spectralism. For a while my plan was to either be a professional philosopher or a "serious music" composer.
>>60515646
Experimental isn't even a genre you fucking faglord
It's a mediocre album that people overrate so they seem to have an eclectic taste and dismiss any criticism as being afraid of change.
>>60516103
>>60516103
how is this relevant?
>>60516391
He said "they can't compose" so I proved him objectively wrong.
Tristan Murail isn't some obscure name, pleb.
>>60515926
apart from the fact that she just isn't very good, it's because relapse just took this vapid nyc indie chick (look her up on youtube or something) with no real interest in metal, pretended she was danish, and patronizingly tried to shove her on the metal scene as the FUTURE OF METAL
>>60516117
He didnt say it's a genre fucking idiot.
>>60516404
so tritan murail is the composer?
>>60516406
she also didn't actually write any of the music
>>60516406
>muh innacessible scene
>>60516345
bold claim there
most of us just really like it
>>60516416
how are you this stupid
classical music isn't some hack scene, in order to study with big names you have to already be a good composer and/or musician
>>60516404
A wack person studies with a pro person, that means that the wack person is as pro as the pro person.
Nice line of objectively stupid "thinking"
>>60516406
>vapid nyc indie chick with no real interest in metal
I always see this posted and the source is always "she wears clothes I don't like". Are there any other sources? Also isn't she danish?
>>60516444
>most of us
even bolder
>>60516345
why do you think it's mediocre?
>>60516444
I studied logic under the best professors in my country. That doesn't make me exceptional at logic, like pointed out previously.
Is that reasonable enough for you?
>>60516468
Just because some genius lets you in on his studies, doesn't mean that your own endeavours will result in something genius, you nice man
>>60516449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW3lRkz7_j4
People dislike it because they cannot seperate the art from the artist. HHH is a pretentious cunt, but at least Liturgy backs up what he goes on about. Both this and TAW are great albums.
>>60516521
notice she has no accent here but she does in any myrkur-related video
metal for people who don't like metal so that they can patronize people who like metal
>>60516543
this album is really disorienting for non metal listeners, something like deafheaven is much more entry level, stop spouting memes.
>>60516521
That's still just "she wears clothes I don't like" as an argument.
>>60516530
Ok that's sloppy. She has a slight accent but yes it's much less thick than in recent Myrkur interviews I just googled.
>>60516573
they're american
it can't get more entry level than that.
I enjoy the album but I enjoy even more the discussion the band brings up everytime they are mentioned. They will remembered for at least being provocative and controversial if anything
Essential socially acceptable metal album for non-metal listeners to feel superior to metal listeners regardless if it's actually good core.
>>60516487
>>60516510
then at best you can say "I don't like it, but others do. It's subjective."
it's amazing how angry metal people get when this album is brought up.
none of the people in this thread even said WHY is was bad they just started saying "THE PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO THIS ARE" or other arguments around image
like look at this shit:
>>60515646
>>60516345
>>60516543
>>60516679
none of you probably know anything about music. that's why you try to say image/ad hominem shit to dismiss it.
you're pathetic
>>60516595
the album is more complex than a great part of classic european black metal, but niceme.me
>>60516618
>>60516679
>muh kvlt
you can fuck right off
>>60516718
way to prove
>>60516543
>>60516747
holy shit you are an idiot
I'm asking for ACTUAL REASONS why they dislike the album not fucking "OH ANCO FANS ARE RETARD DRUG ABUSERS" or similar meme shit
grow a fucking brain, dude
>>60516719
>more complex
>implying this album is complex
>implying black metal should be complex
>implying complexity is a good thing per se
>>60516762
>grow a fucking brain, dude
metal is for stupid people, if you're pretending to be intelligent you better listen to Mozart
>>60516770
complexity doesn't make an album good but least it makes it harder for people not familiar with the genre to enjoy it. The Liturgy fans = metal casuals statment is stupid.
This album is well liked by non-metal fan because for them it looks like something "Experimental" or "Brand New", when metal fans have actually knowledge about the genre and know that it is pretty insipid and forgettable compared to millions of other black metal albums.
Of course, some Liturgy fans will not accept this truth, because they think they have all the knowledge in the world, and I pity them.
You can enjoy this album, I don't even hate it and there are legit good tracks on it, but it's not revolutionary in absolutely any way, nor is it "transcendental".
>>60516792
not what I'm saying, stop shitposting
>>60516811
see >>60516718
I'll ask you what I asked earlier in this thread, with zero responses
give me stuff that sounds like this if it's not revolutionary or new
>>60516792
>avoiding actual discussion this much
wew lad, I would really like to hear your actual reasons for dislinking the album instead of just the shitposting
>>60516806
>The Liturgy fans = metal casuals
never said this, a metal casual would be someone who listens to Slipknot or any other mainstream metal band. It for people who thinks normal metal is stupid (ie indies/hipsters/pitchforkdrones) but still want the thrill of something that indie music can't give, also because indie music doesn't exist anymore and its whole subculture is based of vague liberalism and a quasi-colonial need to appropriate other subcultures (not only metal, see hip-hop or EDM)
>>60516837
Every band have its own "style".
Liturgy uses a lot of repetition on some tracks, as well as weird sound effects on some tracks.
The riffs are pretty similar of those of Krallice or Altar Of Plagues if you want.
But what I meant is that nothing they've done is "that" revolutionary. They've only been using, as I said before, a lot of repetition and weird sound effects.
If you're looking for genuinely avant-garde or experimental bands, that have been bringing a whole new style to the Black Metal genre, try Ved Buens Ende, Qulielfi, Murmuure...
>>60516956
Could you provide specific examples? I'm willing to listen to them and offer my opinions.
>>60516718
>being this asshurt
>>60516997
>being this incapable of qualityposting
>>60516719
where in my post (>>60516618) did I ever say I enjoyed true kvlt black metal?
>>60516972
Specific examples of what ?
>>60517009
>expecting qualityposting in a liturgy meme thread
>>60517024
Of music that sounds like Aesthethica.
You gave me band names but I want specific songs to listen to and evaluate.
>>60517032
of the band he mentioned I only know ved buens ende, and I like them a lot. They don't sound much like liturgy though.
>>60517032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwgbmwtQGFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok454hznwoc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCA39N_04do
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0tVyHX4PUiB
>>60517126
The first link is a lot like Aesthethica actually...the problem I have with it though is that it came out the same year as Aesthethica. Is there an earlier example?
The other two have little or nothing to do with Aes IMO.
>>60517188
As I said, every band have its own sound and it's really hard to find a specific example of a band that sounds exactly like another one.
You can look in earlier Krallice releases, but they don't sound as much as Aesthetica than Diotima.
Also check out the Cascadian BM scene, you may find what you want.
I'm not an expert about american BM though, I can't help you more than that.
>>60517272
It's cool, and to be fair I'm not really a HUGE Aes fan. Since release I basically thought "Cool! Some rock with really nice chord progressions and really interesting rhythmic variation." I've been a big fan of TAW though.
Saw them live and they were really underwhelming, the drummer was the only redeeming aspect of their set. Lightning Bolt completely blew them out of the water right after Liturgy's set and made them seem so forgettable.
>>60513837
> liturgy and memeheaven are the future of black metal
I really hate this meme
>>60516689
Isn't that the essence of what you're saying as well. Are you trying to establish an objective method of evaluating the integrity of a certain person, not based on the products of said person, but rather on the credentials?
That don't ring right.
deafheaven is actually good but liturgy is shit
>>60517598
this to bh fm
>>60516719
I'm not even a kvlt fag, but this album is fucking garbage
it has some of the worst production ever
it doesnt do anything new
goes on for way too long
they aren't good enough musicians to remedy those other flaws
>>60513495
Paved the way for hipsters to enjoy black metal and shit. Tripe H was kind of a pretentious cunt about it, too.
I like lot of bands that are considered hipster by trve metalfags (Agalloch, Isis, Neurosis, WITTR, Mastodon, Ulver, ElecWiz) but This band and Deafheaven are boring shit
>>60513495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kjz0LVA4Qs
I actually prefer their older releases before triple H really implanted his half baked nietzsche inspired ideas and became a pretentious cunt
anyway in a month from now you'll forget this album like everyone else does. it's not that good
>enjoy Liturgy and Deafheaven
>also listen to Burzum, Leviathan and other black metal
Metal fans need to chill.
>>60518981
Same. Metal was the genre that got me into music and is still a lot of what I listen to, but honestly I get tired of the genre because there's so much samey, mediocre shit. It's almost like all of the bands that are "untrve" or whatever (>>60518348) are consistently the ones that actually bring something unique and interesting to the genre.
>>60518981
Black metal is gay
