Is this good guitaring?
Yes
can't judge if you can't hear it, captain
looks like it'd sound like shit
also a really weird and painful way to strum. don't see the point
That smug shit eating grin on her face when she's done
>>>/trash/
>>60344131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjZgiv2F1QY
she does it at 4:20 (lol that's weed number)
im not qualified to answer but it looks like shit
>>60344197
No. It's synthesized garbled trash.
>>60344197
It's sped up you donkey.
>>60344197
No, that's absolute garbage. That takes no skill, talent, or thought for that matter.
>>60344220
>muh classic tonez
>>60344232
whom u calling a donkey, orge??
Yeah man, Annie fuckin' shreds. I love really noisy skronky guitar solos and she's great at those.
>>60344197
>using effects to cover up your shit playing
>>60344239
Yes it does, man.
>>60344247
She isn't a good guitar player. Simple. I took time from my day to at Coachella to go see what all the hype was about. Between her stupid hand puppetry and garbled infantile guitar playing, I left.
If you want to hear some women who can play guitar, check out Jenn Wassner of Wye Oak or Theresa Wayman or Emily Kokal of Warpaint.
>>60344247
Not the anon you're responding to but... holy fuck is this bait? It has nothing to do with the synth like sound and everything to do with the fact that she is randomly strumming aggressively on some random fucking notes, while piling on a shit load of effects. Jamie Fox could play guitar with that shit and sound the same.
>>60344097
>ITT: talentless hacks
>ITT: musicians that take themselves too serious
>ITT: pretentious musicians
>>60344306
Do you even play an instrument?
>Pro tip: Your ipad doesn't fucking count.
>>60344307
I saw Wye Oak open for the National in 2011, Jenn Wasner kicks all kinds of ass. I haven't seen Warpaint live but judging from their records everyone in that band is like, proficient as fuck at music. I think Annie Clark is on that level - yeah, the last 10 seconds of the video is just guitar noise but if you took the time to watch the whole thing she plays a pretty slick solo before that.
>>60344097
>mfw she's literally fingering a vagina
I bet she get's a lot of practice too.
>>60344371
I'm glad you like her friend. I rewatched. I'll just leave it at that.
>>60344197
garbage tbhfam
>>60344369
Yeah man I play the guitar and piano and am pretty into theory. Like, of course it takes skill and practice to play a solo like she does in that video. It takes a lot of knowledge and skill to put together a song like that.
I also don't think she takes herself nearly as seriously as some people on this board seem to think.
>>60344443
That's fair.
>>60344097
dat fingering doe
>>60344097
>>60344197
it's fucking great. experimental and fun.
>>60344307
>If you want to hear some women who can play guitar, check out Jenn Wassner of Wye Oak or Theresa Wayman or Emily Kokal of Warpaint.
Two of the most boring guitarists I know. Way to ruin your example.
Annie is 1000x more interesting.
>>60344476
this big ass picture was that necessary? you should keep the photo that size and make it a screamer gif desu my friend
>>60344097
ITT: Some expert imbeciles that never did something good in their life argue about a short sequence taken out of the context of a song. Watch the whole thing, sheeple.
>>60344451
If you're not bullshitting and you still think that "solo" takes skill or talent... well you're fucking hopeless. Hope you didn't waste too much of your time learning all that shit.
>>60344097
remove the bottom half of this video and it's just porn
>>60344551
>Two
He posted three.
>>60344689
I meant the Warpaint guitarists.
>>60344649
Ugh. Whatever, dude.
>>60344197
That was awful
>>60344324
>Jamie Fox could play guitar with that shit and sound the same.
underrated post.
>>60344726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_b6wePlhi4
If you watch this I think you'll have a new appreciation for how good they are.
>guitar worship
I thought his meme died a long time ago
>>60344197
guitar tone was shitty for most of that
my amp makes that sound on its own when i plug the cord in backwards
>>60344968
They're too meandering t.b.h. I much prefer the more focused & wilder style of Annie Clark.
saint vincent is a dumb pretentious whore
THIS is how you be "experimental" and "fun"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbE4B8vstcg
>>60344197
i see myself in her. pathetic talentless loser who thinks that just because he listens to great musicians, he can be them. st vincent is the embodiment of a wanna be artist. everything she does and says just makes me wince at how fake it is. she wants to be her idols so badly
>>60345374
She reeks of pretension
>>60345404
agree entirely. i can even sense a little bit of insecurity in the fact that she's afraid people can tell she's a pretentious fraud
>mfw pretentious /mu/ faggots call Annie pretentious
>>60345374
>i see myself in her
me too whenever i fap
>>60345531
yeah. some of the shittiest elitist hipsters called annie pretentious. isn't that ironic?
>>60345317
random playing, 80s production and nothing memorable. this is all you got?
>>60345531
takes one to know one anon
>>60344197
Personally I really, really admire Annie as a live performer but just don't like her songs.
Anyone else have the same feeling?
i dunno but i just want to cuddle with her Tbh
>>60345983
>but just don't like her songs
Not even few songs? Roughly half of her songs are accessible, half require some patience. Keep listening them and in time you'll start liking them. Guaranteed.
>>60345770
>random playing
bad bait
>>60346027
worst feel i know desu
>>60345531
this board needs more ethanposting t b h f a m
>>60346087
unfortunately it isn't bait but the cold harsh truth. no memorable melody, nothing that sticks to my brain after listening to it.
annie is much better songwriter and guitarist. now THIS is how you be "experimental" and "fun": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHmF18jAPzA
>>60346237
Alin what do u think you're accomplishing by posting a live version of marrow in every one of these threads
>>60346281
i'm not alin (??) and this is the first time i posted that clip (found with a simple youtube search).
>>60346237
>no memorable melody
opinion discarded. it's jazz rock fusion
>>60346424
whatever. that thing is boring.
>>60346424
at least we have this wonderful example of a typical annie clark fan
>>60346424
Dude. Comparing one of the worlds most accomplished guitarists to some bimbo who can play a few chords is like comparing Foie Gras to Chicken Nuggets. Holdsworth is leagues away.
Annie Clark:
>actual talent
>has a pleasant & expressive voice
>multi-instrumentalist: guitar, bass, piano, keyboards, synthesizer
>interesting lyricist
>great look and personality
>collaborated with David Byrne, The Chemical Brothers, Swans, The National, and others
>sang live with Nirvana (the remaining members), Wire, The Polyphonic Spree, Sufjan Stevens and Taylor Swift
>highly acclaimed music (see Metacritic for details)
>won a Grammy (Best Alternative Album) for her self-titled album
>insane live performances
>a great balance between quirky and accessible
>she knows how to do a football rainbow kick: https://vimeo.com/85067428
>>60346438
>>60346465
meant to reply to this
>>60346466
yeah not sure why i'm humoring him
>>60346465
how is a typical annie clark fan? doesn't like tuneless music?
>>60346466
>one of the worlds most accomplished guitarists to some bimbo who can play a few chords
lol. opinion discarded. your "one worlds most accomplished guitarists" is a nobody. like you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE7R4nKBK8Y
guys she clearly displays talent and knowledge in this video
>>60346527
>chord-based music isn't prioritizing repeated melodies
Wow, it's almost like that's the whole point or something
>>60346529
Yup. /mu/ was right. They blow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47CP2-f5mdg
>>60346527
your english got a little better since you deleted the post but keeping working on it.
allan holdsworth's brand of fusion doesn't focus on "tunes", and i can appreciate not liking the music, but calling it "random playing" is plain wrong
both are Holdsworth and Annie Clarke are fucking trash
here's some real guitaring
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jtZYdVNflsA
meme hair
>>60346567
even your grandma and your dog could make random music and call it jazz fusion. technical wankery =/= good music.
>>60346602
verlaine is great but come on with saying holdsworth is trash
>>60346579
who gives a nuts man???
>>60346593
your allan holdsworth is a talentless hack. so are you.
>>60346621
No, Allan Holdsworth is well regarded in the genre
Here's the deal:
If you make "experimental" music just because you can't actually write anything else, it's gonna be bad (like St. Vincent)
If you know what you're doing, and simply don't want to make something conventional and simple, and make experimental music that way, it's gonna be good (a la Allan Holdsworth)
>>60346621
the last sentence of your post contains a valid point but it's totally invalided by your stupid fucking claims in the beginning.
watch this and tell me it's random music again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JjBdnGDuYM
>>60346652
>>60346621
>>60346553
Wow. I've seen some base stupidity on /mu/ before but wow, that's next level.
>>60346656
St. Vincent is hardly experimental. It's just pop with a few weird ideas here and there. Not saying it's bad, just that your criticism is fairly unfounded in this case
This is now an Alan Holdsworth thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeXSQl56no8
St. Vincent check out that guitar at 3:04
>>60346721
Well, see the quotes around "experimental"
I say that because her fans prop her up as being some genius experimental visionary, and that her guitar playing is "unconventional", when she just makes, as you say, slightly less-normal-than-average pop
Exact point I was trying to make
>>60346721
she is good but not perfect and punches way above her weight. I don't know what her sales are like, can she and American Express keep it going.... or not?
the fact that i have to share /mu/ with people who think that St Vincent is anything other than mediocre is depressing
Bruford's band live '79
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neAOgatpueA
>>60346757
What I'm saying is that it takes talent to make pop music. Writing her off as a musician because she can't shred like Holdsworth is frankly juvenile. A well-constructed pop song (we can argue over whether St. Vincent writes good songs or not, it won't be productive or interesting) is more difficult to write than a lot of people seem to think. It's a whole different skillset entirely unrelated to your chops on any given instrument
>>60346757
>'E-exact point I was trying to make!' he types, hands trembling from rage. He opens his 'Annie' folder and looks at her Dorito shaped head to calm himself down. 'So qt :3' he thinks to himself. 'Meanie trolls again... well not today'. He already has the metacritic link to her s/t album copied, ready to be pasted in case there's any more shitposting from this mean Anon who dares question his precious Annie-fu
this is a really awful thread
>>60346995
they all are
but they're my favorite threads on "moo"
>>60346962
I see where you're coming from, and you're right to a degree. Songwriting is independent from instrumental chops, and seeing as that's more subjective (although I have my own ideas about that), it'd be pointless to argue.
But we can both agree, St. Vincent's guitar skill is nothing special, even in the context of her genre. All I was arguing was that compared to Holdsworth, she can't compare in terms of chops, which is mainly a byproduct of the idioms and genres both musicians occupy
>>60346995
Why?
>>60346986
Except I was criticizing Annie, you fucktard
I'm not a St. Vincent fan by any stretch of the imagination
>>60346962
The thread started with "Is this good guitaring?" Personally I say no, it's not. However with that being said your right. Writing good catchy music is a skill all on it's own which I'm sure to some people she has. I saw her live (For awhile) and the only thing I've seen her do that impressed me was her cover of Kerosene.
Y'all know this is just my opinion, right?
And Holdsworth is not a shredder. The man has exceptional technical skill and great compostion. That's not a shredder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bLQD6zsuAg
>>60346995
It's not bad. Been some good discussion I think.
>>60347035
because people are failing to realize just how talented annie is
>>60347043
Eh, I listened to the Holdsworth examples posted in this thread (including yours) and just heard a bunch of fast playing over elevator music. If the guitar playing was less busy I wouldn't be surprised to hear it on the weather channel or something.
I'll agree he has technical skill but there's no restraint; the music isn't evocative of anything but his Holdsworth's own prowess. It's a vehicle for showboating.
For the record, I think St. Vincent is an adequate guitarist. Not impressive, but not bad either.
>>60347012
It's weird that they'd even be compared in the first place. They come from completely different musical backgrounds There's nothing similar about the way they play, nor should there be. It'd be like saying that John Fahey is shit compared to Holdsworth. Why bother? They set out to do completely different things.
