>>60263719
>hip hop
>advanced
>>60263756
Upvoted!
>>60263756
Lurk more faggot
Most hip hop is electronic music...
>>60263775
>>60263763
Lol did I trigger you
>>60263791
Upvoted
>>60263719
muh post african repetitions
autechre more like AUTISTECHRE hehe
autechre is super hip-hop tbqh with you lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QviYwzufRc
always wanted them to do a collab with a good mc
at this point i've listened to a decent amount of IDM. I like some of it but people act like idm has taken electronic music so much further than hip hop. Obviously the two genres electronically have different goals, but in terms of layers, there is plenty of hip hop with sounds that are just as "crazy" as idm. And don't bring up some breakcore shit, anybody can make fast drums
>>60263887
iirc El-P approached them to do something but the scheduling was off. Think it was around Draft/2003
>>60264222
Breakcore is just shit in general
>>60264222
>, there is plenty of hip hop with sounds that are just as "crazy" as idm
>inb4 its literally just some guy rapping over a funckarma beat
>>60265488
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz4zQTzZkw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU9bHdoJYYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVwF80ydqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKEXGRJSN4s
>>60263786
/thread
>>60265694
i mean't techno, dnb, idm etc
i agree. hip-hop is normal, well-adjusted, social people
autechre (i think that's them in ops image) and most idm is for autistic neckbeards.
>>60266546
literally r/hiphopheads: the post
but hip hop is electronic music
>>60264743
Damn why didn't this happen
>>60266546
depends how you define hiphop. all the "real" hip hop heads i know are the most depressed/least social
>>60263719
porque no los dos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXD0vv-ds8
Literally evolution
>>60263786
this
>>60263719
they are interchangeable
stop focusing on genre labels
The only restricting thing in hip hop is the rhythm but even then it isnt fully necessary
>>60266546
This.
Autechre records are purchased solely by bald men in expensive anoraks who would masturbate to a car alarm if it was re-mixed by a German. Gantz Graf was an impenetrable curtain of misanthropic noise - released with an accompanying three-track DVD that features a squabble of hopelessly pretentious video "interpretations" - is typical of the menopausal electro-manglers' dogged refusal to bow to convention and produce anything of interest to anyone not either a) bald or b) German. It bleeps. It skronks. It krrraaaanks. But mainly, it blows like a ruddy awful hurricane. Remember, kids; if it sounds like a festering hillock of tune-shy bum-wank, it's because it IS a festering hillock of tune-shy bum-wank. Avoid as you would a bald German.
>>60268215
>bald men in expensive anoraks
lol this
>>60268215
I C O N I C
I don't know what you're trying to say here. Hip Hop music usually the same tired trap beats with minor variations and retarded lyrics designed by people like Pharrell who know how to appeal to the masses and sell a million records.
Electronic music is such a vast genre that I can't make a generalization for it, but I'm guessing you're referring to IDM since you posted Autechre. IDM is definitely "more advanced" than hip hop, and that's not debatable.
>>60268215
>actually using a phrase like "dogged refusal to bow to convention" as a derogatory remark
what a review
>>60268278
>>60268186
fuck that's good. excellent video, too
>>60268304
epic attempt at invalidating the poster's argument by using a tired meme about a certain group of people against the wrong kind of person.
>>60268215
well thats just like, your opinion man
>>60268320
astutely put
>>60268320
>im special everyone else is stupid
>>60268375
Strawman.
Look, kid, IDM is just inherently more complex than hiphop and therefore more "advanced." Calling me a fedora tipper doesn't mean anything anymore, and it certainly doesn't help your argument.
>>60263719
No.
>>60268401
>>60268401
except IDM doesnt go further than pushing musical theory. hip hop is no doubt a million times more influential and therefore more advanced
>>60268424
If you just want to meme at each other...
>>60268446
>except IDM doesnt go further than pushing musical theory. hip hop is no doubt a million times more influential and therefore more advanced
Popular does not mean advanced. Pushing musical theory does.
>>60268446
Also, I contest your claim that hiphop is "a million times more influential" than IDM. If it wasn't for IDM, there would be no hiphop or electronic music in general.
>>60263719
>>60263786
>>60267187
Why does /mu/ want to completely twist what hip-hop is? This is just like idiots thinking "Rap" is a subgenre of hip-hop. No! And hip-hop isn't a subgenre of electronic.
>>60268471
>even his pepes are wearing suits and smoking like classy gents
tiiiiiipppppppppeeeeedddd
>>60268513
electronic music isn't a genre, it's a classification of instrumentation which the majority of hip-hop falls under
rap is a vocal style
rap music is a sub-genre of hip-hop
>>60268471
IDM: - has a cunty name
-pushes musical theory
HIP HOP: - pushes musical theory
-influenced countless genres including IDM
-influenced pretty much everything in popular culture including politics
-creates babies
-brings communities together
>>60268591
0/10 I'm not going to play your game.
Hip hop is black music and thus inherently less advanced and artistic than IDM
Thanks for playing, OP
Tri Repetae++/Chiastic Slide/Envane/EP7 are all very hip-hop influenced. imo it's impossible not to hear.
>>60268608
>cant argue with that jsut gonna say 0/10
just bare in mind that whilst IDM finds new ways to syncopate le vintage synths sounds, hip hop continues to change the way people see music forever
>>60268668
>hip hop is the voice of the generation tier "arguments"
I don't even know what to say to your bullshit; it's that stupid.
IDM influenced countless genres. How does the entire electronic music scene sound?
Hip Hop, the vast majority of it, does not push musical theory. That's just a lie.
Creates babies isn't an argument.
Influencing popular culture doesn't make something advanced or complex. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good or deep.
Hip Hop doesn't bring communities together.
>>60268701
but just because something is advanced or complex doesnt mean its good or deep
youre trying to win an argument about something you clearly dont know about, you obviously have no idea about modern production and are too quick to dismiss popular music as unintelligent because youre probably insecure about something idk
>>60268793
>youre trying to win an argument about something you clearly dont know about, you obviously have no idea about modern production and are too quick to dismiss popular music as unintelligent because youre probably insecure about something idk
Are you seriously trying to argue that modern hiphop is anything more than the same tired trap beats repeated ad nauseum?
Laughable.
>>60268630
>IDM
Both are shite.
>>60268591
>pushes musical theory
lmao
>>60263887
I'd like them to do more grime-style stuff really. If you ever hear this on a good system it's absolutely MASSIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It9q_XzCqsI
>>60268814
>Are you seriously trying to argue that IDM is anything more than the same tired 2deep4u jargon repeated ad nauseum?
yeah i am cos im not gonna be a dick about it and actually try and see things from other peoples point of views
i can garuntee you that its a lot harder to make a valuble trap beat than a piece of deep idm
>>60268893
>i can garuntee you that its a lot harder to make a valuble trap beat than a piece of deep idm
HAHAHA.
I'm done with this shit. If "winning" this argument means you'll keep your idiotic viewpoints to yourself then I happily concede.
>>60268496
didn't IDM arose in the 90s, cause Hip Hop was 80s
>>60268496
>If it wasn't for IDM, there would be no hiphop or electronic music in general.
this is complete bullshit btw lol
>>60268892
str8 banger desu senpai
>>60268375
Most people are stupid though, you don't exactly have to be smart to be smarter than most people
>>60268892
Kode9's remix is better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qR5rgKK39Y
>>60263786
This.
>>60268513
Yes it is.
>>60265615
Nothing here compares remotes to the sonic density of IDM, these are barebones hip-hop beats
>>60268513
I know.
Hip hop is a reggae subgenre.
>>60270496
oh yeah, it's a slammer
kode9's is a much bigger belter and i rate it slightly more, but what i like about the autechre remix is that the minimalism really emphasizes and frames the dark as fuck lyrics which really heightens the sense of dread. i'm just glad we have two superb, and very different, remixes of (imo) one of the greatest tracks of the 00's.
>>60263887
Why the fuck is the cover L-Event yellow before I hit play
>>60268893
>>60268793
>>60268668
Holy shit this fucking idiot
Behold the sound of autism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th80LpS7ghE
>>60268591
You say creates babies like it's a good thing
>>60268999
Get ready for bed you have school tomorrow
Autechre is super hip-hop. In fact, lots of "IDM" guys are huge hip-hop heads. This thread is dumb and serves as yet another example that /mu/tants don't know shit and are incapable of having a worthwhile conversation.
>>60270635
Most of the people in this thread are 16, trying to feel superior for "not" getting something. It's weird, but what do you expect from this place?
The majority of dance / hip hop / electronic music owes as much to Jamaican music and hip hop as it does Stockhausen, YMO and Kraftwerk as well as funk and disco.
>>60270609
i mean, they're right? hip-hop predates "idm." hip-hop does not, however, predate "electronic" music (though hip-hop itself falls under that classification so i dunno what op was even trying to accomplish here).
>>60270635
seriously, it's also pretty much all they listen to.
PROTIP: there is more to hip hop than memerap
>>60270496
>>60268892
the original's better than both of these
reminder that techno and electro are the same thing according to Juan Atkins, inventor of techno
And electro is a cornerstone of hip hop
Anyone with half a brain knows all this stuff is related
The funny thing tho is that people who get endlessly pissy about idm etc are generally unintelligent
It's like they need to prove the genre name is correct
>>60270852
The majority of the people who take the name literally and think it has meaning and in turn, anything that is labelled ''experimental'' is somehow superior here is hilarious.
There's a reason they call it Intelligent Dance Music, OP
>>60270876
:^)
>>60270654
>seriously, it's also pretty much all they listen to
Yep
Speaking of which, Rob Brown (of Autechre) has a pretty tasty old school hip-hop mixtape which someone swiped out of his studio.
http://share.thomascolliers.com/ae/robbrownmixtape/
>>60270868
Or they overlook any experimentalism within hip hop or techno
eg you rarely see Carl Craig listed as a pioneer of ambient techno, but he definitely was
>>60265615
that mac dre beat
ITT 18-year old boys hate IDM because they think it makes them special
>>60271024
>""IDM""
>>60268401
> complex = advanced
What the fuck is this reasoning? Explain yourself.
Or just go listen to tech death.
Also.. IDM isn't inherently more complex. It's true that IDM artists have experimented and pushed the sound forward with synths, polyrythms and syncopation but hip hop did the same with sampling, it pushed the idea and musocal concept to a new level and into a craft of it's own. So you basic arent is bullshit
>>60270983
V-Town in this bitch!
>>60271172
It is a harder more intricate process to make the music and it's generally less accessible. What is it you don't understand about that dumb fuck?
>>60271216
It depends on the artist, I suppose.
Like Autechre themselves have said that their "process" is just dicking around messing with samples/patches and pushing buttons until they find a sound they like. There's not a lot of composition involved at all. Just because it ends up sounding complex doesn't mean it was super difficult to make.
>>60271216
>less accessible.
>>60271275
Making patches is fairly difficult compared to using an mpc tbqh
Just speaking from experience
>>60271295
>all hip hop is just pressing buttons on an mpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPutHJ4qCss
>>60271309
Hey now
But find me a video of a hip hop producer making max patches
>>60271321
After you find me a video of a IDM producer with turntablism skills.
>>60271333
Touché
Altho my original point still stands as the majority of modern hip hop producers can't scratch either
>>60271349
No arguments there, but then there is more to hip hop than the rappers /mu/ talks about.
>>60271349
The majority of IDM producers aren't using max either
>>60271360
Absolutely
All the original IDM producers grew up listening to hip hop, if anything it's an extension of the pioneering spirit of early hip hop
Autechre exemplify this imo
>>60271295
Have you seen the their leaked MAX patches? Messy and chaotic fuck. I dunno why they don't clean them up, baka at those lads.
>>60271309
I'm kind of sad that scratching in hip-hop isn't as prominent as it once was, at least in the mainstream. I just love how fucked up it sounds.
>>60271404
Not to mention turntablism, trip hop, early Mo Wax and Ninja Tune style downtempo fusions and in essence, breakbeat hardcore, jungle et al borrows directly from hip hop with breakbeats and Jamaican music in general.
Its all different sides of the same coin.
Most IDM and Hip-Hop is garbage, but as a general rule Hip-hop is preschool next to IDM from any technical perspective.
And guess what, hip-hop never fucking tries to be anything but that because it isn't what hip-hop is.
It's simple and catchy. I don't know what r/hiphopheads is trying to prove here.
>>60271422
IMO it split sometime around the gangsta rap era.
Up till early 90s it was DJ + MC, then it kinda split, the turntablist purists went one way, the rappers embraced new tehcnology and put more emphasis on the lyrics, flow and the rapper etc and went theirs.
>>60271430
>Its all different sides of the same coin.
Completely true, which is why I find the subject of this thread and many of the replies to be ludicrous. People are being very myopic imo.
>>60271422
Yeah I saw those patches, no encapsulation, naughty boys
>>60271444
lol, you said people who like hip hop over IDM are from reddit, you should have posted a neckbeard with a silly 50s hat on too, you would have won your argument outright dude
Figure this is a good of a place to ask as any
I'm pretty ignorant of the current scenes and whatnot, but do you have any recs of good contemporary hip-hop that isn't trap? Not anything against that, but it's just not to my taste.
>>60271485
Check out the DMCs if you want turntablism, they're still going strong.
>>60271495
http://www.dmcdjchamps.com/
>>60271495
Are they tho?
Last time I was in their site there were people voting online for some French dude who was just shit basically
I couldn't work it out
>>60271460
No I said they're both shit you stupid bitch
>>60271517
Well they're still going strong, whether they're good is a matter of opinion, I'm still stuck in 1999.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT8h-rzp5pI
>>60271530
Your tone seems pointed, mate.
>>60271541
Same here lol
There was one guy back then I used to think was amazing, I think he was called mysterio
Did a weird thing where he titled the deck and made it do a beat, it was impossible looking
>>60271541
/mu/ needs more turntablism and alternative hip hop threads.
Is this Turny in this thread?
>>60271565
I think I know the one you mean but can't find it.
This is some crazy shit though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d97Accx6h28
>>60271572
Maybe, I'm one of the turntablism posters but I'm not turny.
>>60271541
>>60271585
me btw
>>60271585
This is excellent
Have you seen that guy Ruthless Ramsay? Using a cassette deck
>>60271625
Don't think so, will google in a minute.
Apparantly its how Mixmaster Mike started too.
>>60271625
thread here instead of this b8 one
>>60271661
yeah please let this shit thread die
/sage
Guess it's a good place to ask: is there any hip-hop artist who uses those big ol' analog synths?
>>60271823
Why would you bump this
>>60268912
>i can garuntee you that its a lot harder to make a valuble trap beat than a piece of deep idm
not that guy, but coming from someone who makes deep as shit idm that's very true. IDM is for hacks.
>>60270525
they are not trying to be as dense as idm....there has to be room for a rapper...But what I'm arguing is that they produce sounds just as "advanced" as idm
>IDM
>ambient techno with a few breaks
>hip hop
>sampled old music with a few breaks
meh
>>60272697
you're just perpetuating a false dichotomy. there's no reason why they even need to be compared - as you said they both have different goals in mind.
let it go
