Space Lion always makes me cry.
can I enjoy this album if I have not watched the anime?
>tfw you learn yoko kanno is a massive plagiarist
>>55563770
source pls
>>55564035
He's right. One track of hers I can recall (Cyberbird) is a Hooverphonic track. There's a few others too.
>>55563596
Definitely, but you should really watch the anime anyway. It's one of the few decent weebshit things.
>>55564035
ever heard this before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xdqIVamJU8
there's quite a few more examples
some people have picked up on it and have gone nuts with it and grasp at straws on a few comparisons, but there a a number of just straight ripoffs
>>55564059
im not really familiar with neither of them, nor watched the anime
but i really do like some of her catchiest bits, specific examples would be appreciated
>>55564110
never watched an anime, is it worth it?
>>55564181
Cowboy bebop is GOAT
I dislike anime but I love it
>>55564181
Give bebop a shot. The dub isn't bad one bit as well and it's more western feeling.
>>55564181
Seen over 500 anime, Bebop was one of my first. Recently rewatched it. It's even better than I remembered.
One of the best gateway drug series. It was also my gateway drug to jazz, because the soundtrack is just as GOAT as the show.
>>55564181
It's great fun. Every episode is a sort of pastiche of Western and Hong Kong cinema stuff. One episode will be a light hearted comedy romp, the next will be violent Cyberpunk or Film Noir worship. Good dub too, which is a plus, and the original soundtrack is fucking stunning for a TV series. Go for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug7sFeVU7ic
>>55564181
no
go watch akira instead
and stay off of weeb series
>>55563770
>inspiration =/= plagiarism
>>55564320
The Akira movie looks great and soundtrack is way above par, but the story is butchered to shit compared to the manga and barely makes sense.
>>55564320
Akira has aged fucking horribly. And Bebop isn't even a weeb series, it's one of those few anime that works even if you hate anime.
If you're gonna go with Akira, read the manga instead. It's so much better.
>>55564347
>Akira has aged fucking horribly.
That's why it is still the most well animated anime film to this day ?
>>55564371
Not the animation. The animation's still fucking glorious. It's the story. The absolute bullshit was the last half hour of Akira was more tolerable when there was nothing else like Akira. Nowadays, it just ruins the whole movie.
>>55564371
I think he meant story wise.
>>55564347
Akira is overrated af.
Not even Katsuhiro's best
>>55564347
which would have also brought me to berserk
Honestly, i haven't watched bebop either just because its too popular with (the wrong kind of) weebs, and going by >>55564292, i probably shouldn't bother
>>55564371
>>55564387
^^
>>55564320
actually I started reading akira few months ago, but I stopped, I might retake it
>>55563770
Not like this actually matters. Some of her stuff bears resemblance to older stuff, but it's not like it's the same song. It's the same sort of principle as plunderphonics.
But yeah, "Bad Dog No Biscuits" basically starts off as Tom Waits' "Midtown".
>>55564323
Go home Shia
>>55564403
>Honestly, i haven't watched bebop either just because its too popular with (the wrong kind of) weebs
Shut the fuck up then.
>>55564347
>Akira has aged fucking horribly.
No it hasnt, what makes you say that?
>If you're gonna go with Akira, read the manga instead. It's so much better.
Watch the movie, then read the manga, both are at the peak of anime and manga.
I don't really understand the problem with the story of Akira's movie, I love it
>>55564499
>Watch the movie, then read the manga, both are at the peak of anime and manga.
There's an argument to be made for the manga, but aside from the animation Akira has no claim to being regarded as the "peak" of anime. The story is a mess.
>>55564387
>The absolute bullshit was the last half hour of Akira
If you paid attention, you would actually understand it.
>>55564499
>Akira
>peak of anything
if you guys have to be "otaku XD" at least know the real best of the medium you worship
>>55564403
>>55564532
The last half hour doesn't make a bit of sense unless you've read the manga, and basically consists of a bunch of trippy visual shit going on while Kaneda and Tetsuo scream each other's names.
It's basically the anime equivalent to 2001: A Space Odyssey.
>>55564429
>It's the same sort of principle as plunderphonics
It's more like the producer wanting a song in the show but not wanting to pay royalties.
>>55564570
HERE WE GO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
THE LAST REFUGE OF THE AKIRA FAN
"2DEEP4U"
>>55564584
I haven't read the manga at all and even if it's kinda fucked up I don't think it's a mess
>>55564499
it's also most relevant to /mu/, in terms of ost quality
tbh
is there anything else that has minimalist/tribal percussion scores? if written for gamelan or marimbas or some bell instruments, that would be perfect. even if the anime turned out to be bad i'd love to know
>>55564323
It depends on:
a) how much the track differs, and;
b) whether their is attribution to the original artist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfUpn6pJFrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKZedCwd5zA
And even if the story isn't that great, the visual and the music is still so impressive and it was such an impact at his time, that it's still one of the major movie of the japanese animation
>>55564608
It's not 2deep4u, it is pretty plainly explained in the movie.
If you paid attention you would puzzle it together.
>>55564570
No, you don't get to cop out with that crap. It was a bad adaptation of a good story.
>>55564572
Anyone who regards Akira as the peak of anime probably hasn't seen much. Not that I blame them, there's a lot of trash out there.
>>55564634
I'm curious what's the peak of anime for you then.
I've watched a lot, lot of anime movies, more than 100, and Akira is one of the best I've seen.
>>55564650
Jin Roh. No doubt.
>>55564650
Not the same guy you asked, but:
Anime in general, Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Movies specifically, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time.
>>55564634
>It was a bad adaptation of a good story.
It's far from perfect, but claiming it to be a mess is either an indication of something you lack or you just had it running in the background while you where picking your butt.
Ghost in the Shell is the peak anime film.
>>55564702
>"Anyone who has a different opinion to me had to have been watching it wrong!"
>>55564684
See, to me Jin Roh has a huge problem, Oshii can't make his characters humans (The only one movie of him where you can feel empathy for the characters is Patlabor 1)
I love his style but, in his style, the characters feels always cold. And Jin Roh is a lot based on the feels of the characters, which doesn't work very good here because of Oshii's style of narration.
>>55564737
I think he drew what he needed to out of the cast by the ending. The "always cold" was an essential component of Jin Roh in my opinion.
>>55564690
Legend of the Galactic Heroes is animated like pure shit, most people seems to forget that, animation is still very important in a medium called ANIME.
But apart from that, it's really great yeah.
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time is meh for me. Mamoru Hosoda is overrated, it's definitely a good movie, but the peak of japanese animation ? No way
>>55564684
Jin Roh is a great movie, but I cant stand the obviously rotoscoped animation.
>>55564181
Coming from a skeptic who has not seen any anime besides cowboy bebop, yes it is.
>>55564795
Actually, even if it can looks like that at some moment, no rotoscopy was used to animate this movie. Okiura confirmed
>>55564773
No it's not just meh. Mamoru Hosoda is a piece of shit.
Seriously, choosing the girl who fucking leapt through time as the peak of anime movies with all of the good shit out there? This guy must be 14 or something.
For me it's the first GITS movie, Perfect Blue, End of Evangelion and Akira. That Cowboy bebop movie was good fun too.
>>55564650
I'm
>>55564572
My favourite is probably Paprika, but it isn't the objective GOAT - this would be either Metropolis or Hotaru no haka.
>>55564864
Classic but excellent choice mate.
>>55564864
I seriously think EoE is the best anime ever got. It feels like every single frame of that movie was an iconic moment in itself.
>>55564773
Story >>>>>>>>> Everything else
I admit that the animation absolute shit, but something like LotGH is entirely driven by characterisation, plot, and dialogue. You don't need good animation to do that justice.
>>55564864
>what is ad hominem
Hosoda's easily the best director in modern anime. Also, I've seen every movie you named. Perfect Blue isn't even Satoshi Kon's best movie (that would be Millennium Actress).
>>55564867
I know what you mean. I absolutely adore Paprika, but it's not perfect by any stretch.
This
>absolute
>best
>worst
>ad hominem
talk is going too far lol
can we talk about music instead
>>55564886
Well that's true, but i think classics are classics for a reason. Night on the galactid railroad is a favorite of mine too, i forgot to mention it. Less accessible though.
>>55564916
I agree with that. This movie is a true experience, unmatched to these days
>>55565014
Good point. This is now an anime music thread.
Have an underrated-as-fuck OST from an underrated-as-fuck anime.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSg0ULUEx9MMcsoJHa1Wf6V_ONE7fg3LY
>>55565051
Night on the galactic railroad is great yeah !
You should see Giovanni's Island, it's about that book too.
>>55565059
Metropolis 2001 has some of the catchiest new orleans jazz I've heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPfX-VgzUrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbByHnK6OCQ
>>55565215
Metropolis has a good OST but I don't like the movie very much, don't know why, maybe it was too manichean
>>55564948
Didnt see your post since i'm doing something else while browsing /mu/.
I always thought Millennium Actress direction was confusing, unlike Perfect Blue. But that debate is irrevelant as it is just personal preference, the important fact is that, overall, Kon's work is seen as remarkable.
However, everything Hosoda did is just plain mediocre to me, and in every aspect. It's like the guy is not inspired at all, he's just doing work.
>>55565169
I'll check, thanks for the rec
>>55565059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXOjYWLW2fo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgJEpIqWstA
Too bad the anime is garbage though, the OST is gold
>tfw hearing Paranoid Android as the closing to Ergo Proxy
damn man.
Best anime series are:
Eva
FLCL
Ergo Proxy
There's a lot of other great shit in the medium, but those are the peak.
>le all anime is trash face
I can count the number of "experimental" western tv shoes on one hand.
This is not a good thing.
>>55565359
ikr
How anyone thinks it's better than Evangelion is beyond me.
Speaking of horrible anime with incredible OSTs, have some Gundam Wing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlEf2HdkeWs
>>55565616
what's the appeal of flcl?
i only remember mr revolver and a beautiful explosion shot from that episode but other than that was a directionless mess with fast yet dull rock music
>>55565983
It's the perfect over the top anime. Gurren Lagann was pretty excellent too, FLCL can be replaced with that if you really don't like it.
>dull music
Maybe from a pure soundtrack standpoint, yeah, it's just ok JRock, but the music always fit so fucking great with the show it doesn't matter. Watch the first episode again, especially the first scene with Haruko.
>>55566072
The Pillows is a clearly good power pop / alt rock band
>>55564181
There's a handful of very high quality, worth while stuff.
Do Bebop and FLCL to start.
>>55564713
agreed
>>55566072
>it's just ok JRock
>fit so fucking great
so, fittingly mediocre?
I absolutely loathed gurrenn lagann, so here's where i get the impression your just a weeb, since my opinion is clearly fact
>>55566153
and what is it in the grand scheme of things? shit, i imagine
>>55564181
Bebop's overrated but it's still pretty fun.
Other good beginner gateway anime:
Shingeki no Kyojin
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Steins;Gate
Any Miyazaki movie
Ignore elitists who will tell you these are shit, they're not
>>55564181
Anime was a mistake.
>>55564713
this is correct
This is a picture of my girlfriend!
>>55566882
moot, come back!
>>55564181
Cowboy Bebop
Samurai Champloo
Space Dandy
Ping Pong
Big O
Mobile Fighter G Gundam
Serial Experiments Lain
Guerran Lagann
Evangelion (Overated but still watch it)
Madoka Magica
Akira
Tekkonkinkreet
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Lone Wolf And Cub
Otoyomegatari
Anime and manga are fun as fuck dude, don't get hung up on the medium of what you like. There's a lot of great anime/manga out there I put off watching because I thought it was all (bad) shonen and moeshit.
>>55567405
Eva is not overrated. I've said this before, but it's one of humanity's greatest creative achievements.
>>55567473
Man it's people like you who get folks overhyped about shit. Eva is pretty good, I'm willing to admit that. But it's not the be all end all anime. It's not even the best one on that list.
>>55566593
>Shingeki no Kyojin
Fucking no.
>Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Fucking yes.
>Steins;Gate
If you're 13, maybe. Steins;Gate isn't terrible per se, but it embodies so much of what is wrong with anime. Fucking abysmal character writing in particular.
>Any Miyazaki movie
Not ANY Miyazaki movie, but some of them would be good. Most of his are at least decent.
>Ignore elitists who tell you these are shit
Good thing I'm not an elitist - just someone with actual taste.
Really though, the best possible gateway drug anime - and I'm not saying these are the best anime overall - are:
Cowboy Bebop
Death Note
Fullmetal Alchemist
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Ghost in the Shell (original movie or Stand Alone Complex both work)
A Miyazaki movie, preferably Princess Mononoke or My Neighbour Totoro. Some of his pre-Ghibli TV shows would work too, like Future Boy Conan or Lupin III.
>>55566593
>Shingeki no Kyojin
Nigga what?
>>55567534
>Fullmetal Alchemist
Is this actually good? In my mind it's always been childish as fuck for some reason, but I have never checked it out.
>>55567586
It really is. It's not perfect by any stretch (the comedy is both unfunny and misplaced), but it's definitely one of the best action series out there.
The real question isn't whether you should check it out, it's whether you should check out the original, or Brotherhood. Which is a really difficult question to answer, because both have their own merits.
>>55567616
Awesome, they've had the manga series on sale at my bookstore for months now so I might pick it up and start there
since this already is a spoonfeeding thread, why don't you weebs recommend me something that could even come close to the brilliant simplicity, comfyness and atmosphere of Mushishi and Haibane Renmei
[/spoiler]pls i got nowhere else to ask[spoiler]
>>55568029
I got your back my man, that's the sort of thing I really dig. Go ahead and look up Ping Pong, Kaiba and Space Dandy. Ping Pong's probably the best though.
>>55568057
wasn't dandy just naive/silly fun? i'm about halfway in, but i'm more fond of something more dramatic and emotional maybe?
something about ping pong doesn't really look appealing, but who knows.
will look into kaiba as well, thanks
>>55568151
Space Dandy's season 1 is mostly just silly fun with a few somber moments. Season 2 is a marked improvement, funnier than the first season but with a lot of emotional episodes. And the contrast between the sadder bits of Space Dandy and the humorous bits are intentional, it's all but spelled out in an episode. There's more going on there than you might think. In addition the guy from Kaiba does the animation for a few more episodes in season 2 and it's beautiful. Ping Pong's animation is a love it or hate it thing, personally I love how it looks in motion.
All personal taste obviously.
>>55568151
There's more serious episodes in the later half of the series. It never has quite the emotional impact of Bebop, but I think it's worth watching, especially if you're a fan of Watanabe.
IN THE RAIN
>>55569030
WALK!
>>55568029
cat soup
>>55566569
>fittingly mediocre
The music and what's going on fit superbly.
>absolutely loathed gurren lagann
must be tough being an absolute fucking pleb
>your just a weeb
damn, and illiterate too.
Anime isn't perfect, and they have a lot of pandering shit, but it's better than western television by a landslide. The only cerebral TV shows ever released in the west were Twin Peaks and The Wire, and thats fucking depressing.
We should all be able to agree that
>best television:
Japs
>best music:
Europoors
>best literature:
America
>best film:
???
>>55569341
russia
>>55566444
I love you
>>55564181
Yes, watch the English dub, it is actually the superior version
>>55569449
Also, Cowboy Bebop really isn't an anime, it is only anime-ish.
>>55567554
japanese name for attack on titan
>>55569469
Is it animated? Yes.
Is it from Japan? Yes.
It's an anime.
>genuinely believing this is good music
>>55569341
>Best live action television
America, the Brits are great too
>Best animated show
Japan
>Best music
depends on specific genres
>best literature
America and Russia
>best film
depends again on what type of movie
>>55569529
But that is a shitty way to categorise any form of art or entertainment though.
Like your enjoyment for Cowboy Bebop has nothing to do with wether you like other animes
>>55569587
enjoyment of any media should have nothing to do with other titles of said media
unfortunately people are retarded, which is why you get weebs, anti-weebs, britbongophiles, leronggeneration, games are for children faggots, gaming faggots, and fuck, just about every single contrarian on this board
>>55569587
The term "anime" just refers to the medium. You can categorize the shows according to genre or style.
>>55569540
>best literature
>America
KEK
I can list the great American authors on one hand. Shit the country hasn't existed long enough to create great literature. Germany, UK, France even fucking Ireland have all been more influential.
>>55569853
list them, then.
I can only think of two great german authors, Kafka and Nietzsche.
>>55569789
That is the issue though, a lot of people uses anime as a genre. And they are silly about it too, like claiming that Avatar is not an anime.
>>55569786
Right, i know about people who basically only watches anime, like they will rather watch countless of hours of really bad anime than to watch some good live action shows or good american cartoons
So, a few days ago, someone recommended me to watch Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad because it had a baller-ass soundtrack.
I didn't want to watch it, so I read the whole thing and I was hooked. But then I went to watch the anime and it's QUALITY left and right.
Also, it triggers my guitautism because half the shit they animated doesn't fit the sounds that are playing. The soundtrack is okay, but are there any stand-out tracks because the Engrish gets on my nerves a bit.
>>55568151
>>55568057
>>55568029
Ping Pong is just the generic basic bullshit competition plot of so many animes
"oh he's so good at X he can't beat me"
what's this shit about "beating people" anyway? is that something japanese people really say?
anyway, it's just that sold on a somewhat unique visual style, it's bad
actually good anime:
Mononoke
Kemonozume
Legend of the Galactic heroes
Tatami Galaxy
Bebop
Eva
Welcome to the NHK
only okay anime:
Mushishi (probably the best one out of these)
Paranoia Agent
Haibane Renmei (only okay)
jury still out:
Lain, need to rewatch, but I don't think it's good
>>55571664
Kids on the Slope was okay too
>>55571776
the other series didnt seem related to me, I actually dropped it pretty early because it's not nearly as ambitious
mononoke does have some pacing issues, but if you stick with it for the art style it does pay off
welcome to nhk is pretty interesting to me, I actually ended up reading the manga and apparently it gets watered down in every step from the light novel, so maybe the anime is not as good as I remember and I'm confusing the two
