You have 10 seconds to explain why it's okay to kick people into homelessness for not working.
Protip: you literally can't, which is why every NEET character in these kinds of episodes has to be a massive asshole. If Zephyr wasn't such a douchebag, was considerate and grateful for his parent's generosity, Fluttershy would look like a fucking sociopath.
>>27565918
Because it's what the Government wants.
>>27565918
you're not entitled to anything in this world, you have no rights, everything has to be earned
therefore you have to work and it is okay to kick people into homelessness for not working
>>27565918
Well, they want to teach a lesson, showing some NEET who is friendly and tries his best but still achieves nothing will only teach children that the world is an unfair place.
Which is true, but isn't a message you want to convey to kids.
>>27565943
This.
>>27565918
Because I'm not a fucking charity to waste my time and money on useless freeloaders.
>>27565918
My brother is a 23 year old manchild NEET and is the most horrible, most psychotic human being I've ever known in my entire life. He threatened and screamed and yelled at my grandmother a few days ago because she touched his xbox, and he doesn't want to get a job
>Because he doesn't want to get a job with people
Well, fuck.
That's literally the end of all my sympathies for NEETs right there. I try everyday to get my mother to see how asinine this is and that she needs to kick him out but she doesn't listen.
>>27565943
>show in which the message was: friendship (kindness and shit) solves everything
>just fuck it all t. newfag writer
>
>>27565978
I just read that in another thread, is it pasta or you in both?
>>27565990
I am in both.
>>27565986
JUST
>>27565940
>>27565976
>I would rather walk over the dead bodies of the disabled and unemployed than allow them to not work
You know when I said "Fluttershy would look like a fucking sociopath", that was not a challenge for you to expound on your sociopathy, right?
>>27565943
>muh just world
>>27565978
>I know a NEET who is an asshole who doesn't deserve what he has
>therefore all NEETs are assholes who don't deserve what they have
>>27566116
Not him but human life has no intrinsic value. From our conception we have to be fucking wanted to even be considered a person. If you can't support yourself in the way expected by society then that's your own problem.
>>27565918
Yes, but he was an asshole and aerfectly capable if lazy asshole. The show isn't saying "fuck everyone" its saying sometimes you need to give tough love. Fucking grow up and stop projecting onto Zephyr.
>>27566116
Could you stop bitching and make a fucking point please?
>>27565918
>using hooman politics to criticize the morality of ponies
The asshurt is unreal, we all know ponies>human when we talk about moral
>Fluttershy would look like a fucking sociopath
why?
There are certain kind of people who are protected and should not be obligated to work like kid, immigrants that just arrived at a country, war refugees, a pregnant woman
But a fucking male in working age, completely healthy has no special rights
A even bigger moral responsability with the society is obligating them to work, because they are just a waste of resources and you should feel bad for that
>>27566116
>muh feels arguments
Fuck you, worthless NEET trash. If you have nothing to offer to others you are a useless piece of shit.
>>27565940
this, pretty much
>>27566138
This.
Humans have no "basic" rights. If two men were stuck on a raft at sea, and were starving, would the one who eventually turned to cannibalism and ate the other be ok because he had a basic right to life? What about the other guys basic right to life?
>>27565940
>you're not entitled to anything in this world, you have no rights, everything has to be earned
Truth,but working doesn't earn you rights. It earns you another day.
>>27565918
Because they are living off MY TAXES. Anyone who is okay with neets is a dumb welfare nigger scum of a neet as well, no difference.
>>27566182
>""""refugees""""
>>27566138
Society doesn't define human being. Human being define human being. Society is a mass and mass is a cattle.
>>27566207
I really do hope you find yourself in some situation where you have no choice but to accept welfare payments. I really do.
I agree with you in part though, its just that there is a world of difference between the capable yet unwilling and the incapable yet willing.
>>27566207
>they are parasites on me
>the only thing I can do is get angry
>if you're not as angry as I am that means you're not doing anything,and therefore a faggot
How does it feels ,to be a slave?
>>27566209
I dont think we should welcome them all
But they have some rights that we normal people should not have
>>27566244
You're aware MY TAXES go to my retirement plan and other social shit, right? It's okay when working people help each other, it's not okay when capable people do nothing out of pure laziness.
>>27565918
>If Zephyr wasn't such a douchebag, was considerate and grateful for his parent's generosity, Fluttershy would look like a fucking sociopath.
If Zephyr wasn't a douchebag, Fluttershy wouldn't have WANTED him to get off his ass. If Fluttershy came home to discover he had cleaned the house, fed the animals, and cooked her dinner, it would have shown that he gave a damn, that he realized that he was a burden. But the only thing most NEETs care about is living their idyllic life where they play all day and throw tantrums until mommy makes them their tendies. Those people are trash and deserve to be thrown out on the streets.
>>27566116
>>I would rather walk over the dead bodies of the disabled and unemployed than allow them to not work
This has nothing to do with disabled people, Zephyr didn’t even TRY. The one job he had where he COULDN’T fuck up, he quit. Someone who crashes on your couch while they look for work, or save up money to move out is one thing. Someone who crashes on your couch forever and does nothing to try and improve their situation is another.
>>27566256
Are you telling me you're okay with other people ripping you off? Are you literally retarded?
>>27566261
My taxes do the same, what's your point? And I agree, the capable who refuse to work are scum. I still accept that there are those who for no faiult of their own are incapable.
I think the majority of those butthurt over Zephyr are those who like him are capable but lazy.
>>27566271
He's literally a teenager living at home.
>>27566116
>muh feelings
Get a fucking job. As an adult your expected to work for your paycheck and living. "Ethical Capitalism" Free love is dead Jim, even the hippies know that.
Neets fucking are the worst.
>>27566256
t. feel the bern
>>27566260
>they have some rights that we normal people should not have
They are not entitled to shit. Let them stay in their shithole war zone
>>27565918
Give poor man money and he will remain poor. Give him a job and he will always be wealthy. Basic wisdoms, man.
>>27566209
he specifically said refugees. not rapefugees. real refugees are a thing that exists.
>>27566271
>he doesn't even assume that I may be a NEET
Why are amerifats so delusional?
>>27566281
Yours?
>>27566295
>Trashing your original comment
>>27566286
Vladimir, please. Go fuck a bear in the woods while squatting and leave it to the civilized world
>>27566283
>They are not entitled to shit. Let them stay in their shithole war zone
Except they cannot unless you consent murder
also muslims > neet
basically
>>27566116
>discarding the weak elements of society for the advancement of society as a whole is bad
kek
>>27566295
Because I assume neets don't dare opening their fucking mouth?
>>27566302
No, he's trying to convince us that his Neetdom is Freedom. And that we are wage slaves. Don't worry, real life will bite him in the ass soon enough.
>>27566315
I agree, it's amazing how NEET's try to convince themselves they're anything more then wastes of space.
>>27566306
>running away from their country and not fighting
They deserve to die
>>27566303
>civilized world
>having NEETs
Keep telling yourself that,pendosBait wouldn't work anymore,but at least I tried
>>27565918
Are you serious? Most Americans literally think that if you're ill and you can't afford your medical bills, you should be abandoned to death. None of these people would have considered Fluttershy a sociopath in your scenario.
>>27566138
>human life has no intrinsic value
So? I don't see how this means that human life doesn't matter, or that we shouldn't take into account human interests.
>>27566146
>>27566164
I thought I already was. Capitalism is terrible, and this representation of a NEET doesn't do any favors for its victims, especially the disabled and unemployed, that find it hard to live on their own.
>>27566182
>A even bigger moral responsability with the society is obligating them to work
I'm sure being a "mane therapist" is really necessary for the proper functioning of society. If ponies didn't have professional mane therapists, Equestria would implode.
>>27566183
>>27566279
>pic related
>>27566192
I don't understand what the morality of a hypothetical has to do with this situation. NEETs don't necessarily endanger the lives of the people they live with, so it's sort of confusing how you think the lifeboat scenario is relatable.Also the answer to your "problem" is that they both would be justified in eating the other. Most people will tell you that it is justifiable to put aside ethical considerations in favor of survival.
Who is Jean Valjean?
>>27566220
>using shitty readings of Nietzsche to argue against other shitty readings of Nietzsche
plz god, no
>>27566207
>>27566261
You know the OP was not a challenge for you to expound on your sociopathy, right?
>>27566268
>being able to do basic chores is literally the same as having a full-time job, you can't say it isn't
>I am happy to ignore what every other poster in this thread is saying about NEETs in general, no one is talking about anyone other than zephyr
kkbb
>>27566307
>discarding the weak advances society
double kek
>>27566315
This is why R9K's anti-worker shit needs to stop. Neetdom isn't freedom, wage slavery isn't either.
Being a NEET sacrifices opportunity and mobility for leisure, wage slavery sacrifices leisure for mobility and opportunity.
That's the whole point, it's unnecessary.
>>27566209
>>27566289
>>27566306
>>27566307
>>27566336
Oh look, /pol/'s arrived. May as well close the thread now, because the rest of it will be circlejerking over how brown people are bad.
>>27566308
You assumed wrong,slave.
>>27566307
jesus christ dude the guy you quoted is a nut but you're far worse
>>27566341
I was just saying there's a distinction between refugees and the current migration crisis, which """refugees""" Anon was clearly referring to.
>>27566340
>Pick related
>People who went out and did shit with their lives
>I'm not a NEET, I'm an intellectual that no one understands.
>>27565918
Anyone who willfully refuses to get a job out of laziness is a horrible asshole and a drain on the resources of their family and the state, and automatically deserves to become homeless as punishment for their behavior. However, anyone who has a legitimate mental or physical disability and can't work should be supported by the rest of society.
>>27566315
>Don't worry, real life will bite him in the ass soon enough.
>Don't worry the big fat mean NEET will get what he deserves you see
Nice fairy tale you got there.
>>27566338
Well, yeah obviously. That doesn't mean she wouldn't look like a sociopath, y'know, objectively.
>>27566340
Zephyr isnt disabled.
He's unemployed by choice.
He's not a victim of anything but his own laziness.
As for the rest, keep you pol shit in its containment board. No one comes here too discuss with teeengaers how capitalism is bad mmmkay.
>>27566340
>You know the OP was not a challenge for you to expound on your sociopathy, right?
If you don't contribute to society you're not a part of society. Why would I care about such people? Just because they share space with me?
>>27566343
I can honestly feel the fedora tipping from here.
>>27566340
What exactly do disabled people and lazy fucks bring to the table?
>>27566355
Nah pal, your lifestyle simply isn't sustainable. You'll learn, good luck.
>>27566364
Slave and a memetard. How fitting.
>>27566352
lolwut
The webm was letting you know you're a fucking idiot in general but, if you want to get into it, everyone mentioned would be in support of welfare.
>>27566341
Most brown people are bad
>>27566355
Right, ok. And what plans do NEETs have when their parents die? It's always blow through their inheritance in a year and kill themselves.
>>27566383
I know those people, anyone who paid any attention in class would know those people. And Neets don't fall into the equation. They're victims only to themselves.
>>27566336
>fighting for your country
Would you help Hillary on her crusade against white ppl just because she is the president of your country?
>>27566341
>im actually defending muslims
>hurr musta be pol xdD
>>27566340
>I'm sure being a "mane therapist" is really necessary for the proper functioning of society.
Wathever, I cant control how people waste their money, but if you are sucking other people's money then...
>>27566353
retards should be euthanized
>>27566403
I would fight against Hillary
>>27566353
IMHO, a family should be ultimately responsible for their offspring. If you have kids then you are accenting the fact that you may have a child that turns out to be a useless piece of shit. It should still be the family's responsibility to deal with their offspring. Unfortunately there is no sense of personal responsibility left in the world, so now everyone want's society to help with these problems instead.
They issue with refugees is not that they are refugees. It's that they are skipping MANY COUNTRIES WAY CLOSER TO THEM just to get to countries with the BIGGEST WELFARE. They are not trying to integrate, they are going for easy money.
>>27566356
There's no such thing as "objectively" here. I'd say abandoning people to death because they don't have enough money to pay their hospital bills is objectively sociopathic. Millions of people disagree with me, so I guess it not that easy. Anyway, I think Zephyr wasn't a massive asshole to make Fluttershy look good, he was so because the episode was just propaganda: this kind of people is just like this, don't let them fool you.
>>27566419
Once your an adult, that "personal responsibility" is handed to you. Your parents had to take their first grand steps into the hard life of adulthood, and so does everyone else.
>>27566419
When you're 18 your parents don't have to support you. Good luck, kiddo
>>27566419
You don't just "turn out" a neet. There are jobs for even the most brainless, talentless or sociophobic people.
>>27566446
>"personal responsibility" is handed to you
Only in a strictly legal sense. Your parents are still the reason you exist on this earth. It doesn't follow logically that parents should just populate the earth with tier offspring, and them toss them out into society to be a burden other people. Your dad wanted to cum inside your mom for 5 minutes of pleasure, With that act comes a lifetime of personal responsibility for their child.
>>27566370
>implying people have to justify their existence with productivity
Could you please look up the definition of "antisocial personality disorder" and either explain how you don't fit it or just admit that you do?
>>27566428
>there is no such thing as objectively here
Well yeah, that's why I was being informal.
It's "objective" in the sense that there's a commonly held definition of "sociopath", and Fluttershy would look like someone who fits that definition in the scenario I mentioned.
>>27566396
>I know these people
As someone who has actually read their work, you don't know these people.
The most sympathetic person you have from that list is Hobbes, and even he didn't advocate the complete abolition of welfare.
>>27566403
>muh property rights, muh puritanical work ethic
>>27566457
I'm sure many of the institutionalized would love to here about these dream jobs, why aren't you preaching the gospel of toil in mental hospitals and to homeless people?
>>27566343
>>27566378
Can you actually shut the fuck up, plz.
>>27566463
So children aren't responsible for themselves? You're telling me a fully capable adult is not responsible for his own future.
>>27566466
>dream jobs
For brainless: flip burgers. For sociophobes: sweep streets. You do that in the morning.
>>27566470
Are you saying that a baby is responsible for the fact that it was born?
>>27566474
At what point do YOU think someone should take responsibility for their own actions? Are their parents ALWAYS responsible for them, right up until they have kids of their own?
>>27566473
Burger flippers are currently being replaced with literally brainless robots, street sweepers still have to apply for the job and interact with their employer, people on the street, and co-workers.
Try again.
>>27566466
I read the're works too you assuming idiot. And they all wanted to help the lower sectors of the economy, the parts capitalism leaves behind. A fully able bodied adult who doesn't work out of choice or "social disorders" (unless its crippling) don't fit into their views. There is a difference between the down trodden and middle class neets.
>>27566474
If they think life's too hard they can kill themselves at any point they want. Problem solved.
>>27566482
"Taking responsibility for your actions" and "making sure your children don't die" are not the same thing, dude.
>>27566483
Brainless people ARE robots.
>sociophobes
Freelance it is then. Also there are people earning money by ERP. By making 3d dicks. By writing pony fanfiction. Etc.
>>27566474
I'm saying when your an adult, you take control of your life, your parents where responsible for guiding you not to fucking hold your hand every step of the way.
>>27566482
It's a shared burden between personal responsibility and parental responsibility. Parental responsibility never disappears.
Do YOU think it's right for parents of a problem child to just let them go when they reach 18 so they become society's problem instead?
Don't you think the parent's should be somehow responsible?
>>27566483
Grave shift security guard. Both problems solved.
>>27566500
Since these don't count as real jobs you're ALSO getting neetbux.
>>27566483
Factories are always hiring, many of the menial tasks needed to keep our economy running are always looking for more labor.
>>27566521
>these don't count as real jobs
Yes they do. It's called being self-employed. You bet your ass you owe income taxes on that money too.
>>27566515
yes
>>27566486
>they didn't want to abolish welfare
>you're wrong in saying they didn't want to abolish welfare
>>27566500
Could you please look up the definition of "antisocial personality disorder" and either explain how you don't fit it or just admit that you do?
>>27566516
Neither problem solved, actually.
What do you think a security guard does where they never have to interact with people to become a security guard, work as a security guard, and can do their job while being virtually comatose?
>>27566523
And factory work is being replaced by robots or being exported to the third world even faster.
>>27566466
>muh property rights, muh puritanical work ethic
But thats how things should work!
Stop memeing
>>27566531
>Could you please look up the definition of "antisocial personality disorder" and either explain how you don't fit it or just admit that you do?
I do. Got any problem with that? I continue living a normal life anyway.
>>27566531
Yes, the world is unfair. Better kill yourself.
>>27566515
Why do you act as if at the minute the child drops into the age of 18 everyone just ignores them? Should they be held accountable to some degree of responsibility, yes. But that's where it ends, as an adult with an able bodied mind, your failures are your failures alone.
>>27566483
Drive a commercial truck. It's brainless, most of the time you don't need to say more than three words a day, and it's not going to be fully automated for a long time.
>>27565918
People need work to live. Work to provide food, shelter, comfort. That work has to come from somewhere. So if the people receiving the benefits aren't doing the work, who should?
You want to receive without giving, but that means someone else has to give without receiving. You would victimize others, take their earnings out of laziness, and show no gratitude because you think mere existence grants the right to. Do you want to become a tyrant, anon? Or a thief? Make no mistake, that's what you're inviting. There are some people who truly can't work, and they need the support because they do not have an alternative. But there is a difference between being unable and being unwilling.
It is a fact of reality, an unavoidable one, that nothing comes from nothing. Remember that.
>>27566531
>They didn't abolish welfare
I sincerely doubt they had much in mind the welfare queens or the neets. There is a difference between those who work and can't make needs meet, or those who have run shit out of luck, and those who choose not to work.
>>27566549
I don't have a problem with it in the sense that I think it makes you less of a person, I just don't think your opinion on sociopolitical issues dealing with human rights and welfare carries much weight when you have neurological issues comprehending human rights and welfare.
>>27566531
I took an sociopathy test
And I got 2 on primary (lack of empathy)
And 1.8 on secondary (tendency to commit crimes)
Your argument is invalid
>>27566583
I think neets shouldn't have an opinion on what they deserve.
>>27566551
Do you think that people should be allowed to kill themselves if they want to? That's some ultimate personal responsibility right there.
>>27566577
>people need to work to live
Work needs to happen for people to live, I don't see why that immediately means people who don't work don't deserve to live. That goes especially when so much work can be automated, and so many people have jobs that are completely useless to their own fulfillment or the well-being of society.
>>27566531
My parents are seasonal workers for a fruit packaging plant. The whole "jobs" are banishing excuse doesn't mean you shouldn't fucking try. They tracked across the whole country to get a stable job. Everyone who worked in that factory was from some down trodden place. I know that because I had to fucking work there to pay for my college.
>>27566601
That is a good example of a statement that doesn't carry much weight.
>>27566608
You didn't answer my question. If those who receive benefits are not doing the work that earns them, who should?
>>27566615
>This is a good example of a statement that doesn't carry much weight.
>>27566611
>it is reasonable to expect people to make continent-wide trips to find a job
>>27566615
You're only proving me right.
>buh he hurts muh feelings
>>27566624
God forbid people actually have to put in some effort to find a job.
>>27566603
Yes, your life is in your hands, we all face adversity, but cowering away from it is fucking pathetic. No amount of excuses can justify someone who refuse to try.
>>27566621
You didn't ask a question, tho
To answer the new question, the benefits come from people who don't need them, can work, and are willing to.
>>27566624
Yes, it is reasonable to fucking try hard.
>>27566626
>thinking the statement "muh fee-fees" is an actual argument
>>27566633
If only.
>>27566643
Be sure to tell that to the quarter of cancer patients who can't afford their healthcare.
>>27566656
Once again you group everyone together for some god awful reason. There is a difference between those who can't and those who are unwilling.
>>27566642
Yes I did, in the first line of my post. Pay attention.
So those who work and produce a bit more than what they need should have the excess taken away, whether they want it to be or not, for those who don't want to work?
Do you think that will result in a large number of people remaining willing to work? Do you believe it is a reasonable and fair system, despite the fact that will result in their extra work giving them no benefit?
>>27566656
Yes, because a cancer patient the victim of amn unfair system is the exact same fucking thing as a lazy cunt whonrefuses to find work.
>inb4 he's a victim of capitalism
Fucking grow up, its the society we live in, your bitching changes zilch.
>>27566603
Yes. Why not?
>>27566656
That's an invalid argument. None of us live forever and trying to fight terminal diseases is futile and an objective waste of money and resources.
>>27566283
Okay, so if [place where you live] became a warzone, would you be okay with people from elsewhere saying that you're not allowed in their safe country because you're not entitled to shit?
I'm trying to understand your logic here, please tell me why you think this.
>>27566715
Because when people in the Donetsk region asked refuge in Europe they were denied but Germany is sucking sandnigger cock from all over the middle east. Most """refugees""" that come to Europe aren't even from Syria.
And I would fight in a civil war to overthrough my corrupt government.
>>27566715
If [place where I live] became a war zone, and then a first wave of refugees from that place was taken to safety in Country X while they're still trying to reach me, and then a large minority literally raped women and underage girls by the thousands and received no punishment whatsoever, I sure as shit wouldn't blame Country Y for not taking me in, I'd be pissed off at my predecessors for ruining it for me and hope they all die of animal STDs (if we're all muslims at least this has a decently high chance of happening).
>>27566743
>I'd fight
Sure you would anon, sure you would.
>>27566791
Nice argument, fgt
Hows Venezuela doing nowadays?
>>27566759
then don't you think that there are decent muslim men and women who are pissed at the minority who go around raping people?
>>27566743
I don't think you are remembering that there are people who don't want to have to fight anyone. And they're not insane hippies either, just people who think that they shouldn't have to fight to survive in a war-torn nation.
>>27566832
Different set of problems. That's more corruption based, rather than just being a country full of NEETs.
>>27566810
Don't be ashamed anon, I'm npot trained to be in the military and nor are my wife and kid. I know I wouldn't fight, I'd run and try to find refuge. Most people with a family to protect and no military training would do the same. If you fight with no military background and a family to protect, then congrats, you just died pointlessly leaving your family to die. If you have military training, you'd already be involved.
But no, keep telling yourself refugees have to die in their own country because you lack empathy.
>>27566841
Well too bad for them.
My homenation was ravaged by WW2 and we didnt take to America or the UK or Sweden by the millions, my grandparents and greatgrandparents stayed and rebuildt the country, despite multiple of their family mebers dying in the war and one having a grenade shrapnel piece stuck in his head.
Fuck those Deserters and Leeches who are for the biggest part not even from Syria trying to live off the europeans now.
>>27566841
And they think they can come to the middle of Europe and as for money? There are refugee camps set up much closer to Syria.
>>27566887
I'm guessing you live in England and you're comparing major urban areas hit during the blitz with being in the literal centre of the front lines. Way to be clueless.
>>27566882
I don't want to pay for their stay. My country has enough problems as is. I wouldn't have this much of a problem if refugees wanted to work and integrate into our society but they don't. Look at Britain for an example.
>>27566913
Where refugees do work and do integrate into society. What point are you making?
>>27566912
Way to live a shelterred life, first world trash
Your success had little to do with your intelligence, diligence or knowledge.
Your end career is a result of your Parents connectivity, your own luck at being in the right place at the right time and your ability to lie and bullshit others.
So your right, lets get rid of all the leeches. Lets start with middle management that walk around the office all day chatting to people, holding meeting about 'corporate culture' and trapping people doing shit jobs for no money in 'one to one sessions' where they try to intimidate them into meeting 'work standards' they just made up in their last meeting that have no grounding in reality or any sort of research into the client bases needs.
Lets get rid of 'investors', 'Directors' and 'Property Developers' or as we know them: the Idle rich. People who inherited money or a company from daddy and sit there waiting for the interest to build up or the profits to come in from other peoples hard work.
I could go on but the text box is only so big.
>>27566923
>refugees work and integrate
Where are proofs?
>>27566608
>Someone else should work for me
>>27566932
>life isn't fair
Tough shit
>>27566932
>lets get rid of all the leeches
You say this like all the managers and corporate desk monkeys don't provide anything of value to society. Someone is paying them money to do their jobs. Someone finds them valuable.
They have the appropriate skillset to perform their job in a satisfactory way and receive a paycheck from it. There is nothing wrong with that.
>>27566932
>life isnt fair
What an amazing discovery
>>27566940
I only have anecdotal evidence, so I know you won't accept that. Naturally you assume bad news is the only reality. Am I saying they all integrate? No, but then a lot of people born in a country fail to integrate too. I'm sorry that your only perception of the world comes from scare stories meant to bait clicks.
>>27566912
>England
Kek,no.
We lost 5.5% of our pre-war population, Soviets stole entire Factory everythings that werent nailed down, The few major cities we had were bombed down.
Greatgrandpa almost went to the camps cause he made fun of some higher up Party-members HJ son, others got drafted into the Wehrmacht, Soviets burned down half the Family farm for shits n Giggles.
>>27566841
>>>27566759 (You)
>then don't you think that there are decent muslim men and women who are pissed at the minority who go around raping people?
Yes I do, doesn't mean MURRICA EGGS DEE is bad for being all too cautious about accepting them.
>>27567011
>5.5%
So only 6℅ less than Syria.
>>27566996
http://www.germanimmigration.eu/2015/12/two-thirds-of-migrants-functionally-illiterate.html
>2/3ths of "refugees" are Illiterate in their own language.
>Not to mention english
>or German
>NO GUISE, they will super-integrate, theres so many jobs in a high industry and service-based economy like Germany.
Most of them will never work and leech of the systems. Thats why they dont want to stay in Greece, or Serbia or Macedonia, or Slovenia, or Croatia and go straight for Germany and Sweden.
Cause there they can leech.
But hey, you know that one guy whos nice, good job
>>27567069
Seems like a really non biased source and I trust their findings totally. Yup.
>>27567099
Post your own proofs of educated refugees then
>>27567729
You mean the anecdotal ones I already know you won't accept?
>>27566967
Well yeah, other leeches find them valuable.
>>27567739
>doesn't trust an actual source
>why won't you accept my anecdotal evidence
>>27567801
>t. Skillless NEET
>>27565918
>It takes resources to provide a comfortable life to a human being.
>Those resources have to come from somewhere.
>By working you contribute your effort to society and indirectly provide yourself with a comfortable life.
>If everyone contributed nothing, there would be nothing.
>If we allowed people to contribute nothing without any repercussions, we would quickly find ourselves over-encumbered by non-contributors.
This doesn't make capitalism the best system but you still have to contribute something in any system.
>>27567806
>a biased source is better than anecodotes
Time to pull up timecube again.
>>27567812
t. Jon Snow
>>27566283
So much this. If you want a better tomorrow then you should fight for it. I live in a third world country with no future and I still refuse to leave for Germany or Australia like others do. No, a war wouldn't make me go away either. First, because I'd be drafted, second because it's my home, and third because people have died so I can be free.
Immigrants are like a locust swarm. They go where the grass is greener. If they were willing to contribute to society they wouldn't leave their home so easily. And if they really were the victims the media paint them to be then they'd go to the nearest safest country so they can take refuge and wait to go back home. Not the wealthier weatern countries.
>>27567820
>anecdotes are better than sources
>>27566386
>people are bad
fixed for you
>>27566341
you're doing gods work, bugmom
>>27567893
>people go where they can provide for themselves and their families
Say it aint so!
If you were to ask an employer at the end of an interview how the interview went and if there's anything I can work on, will they bother telling me?
I don't know why I keep bombing interviews. They never call back.
>>27565940
>you have no rights
What about my human and unalienable rights?
>>27566841
>minority
The neets in this thread would really fit in with these guys, don't you think?
>>27569277
>NEET
>school
Students don't become NEETs in the summer, mofo.
>>27569343
my edgy high school nihilism says that social constructs dont real
>>27569334
You probably wouldn't get the job, but if you wouldn't anyway it doesn't hurt to try.
>>27565918
Because they'll have it good. We hav bigger problems than that shit. There are millions worldwide who work very hard, try to educate their children, and are still homeless. Why should I give a fuck about the lazy bastards who were lucky enough to be born in the first world? Other people need help way more than NEETs do.
>its an stealth /pol/ thread
hide and report friends
>>27565918
Lazy first world cuck neets who choose not to work are some of the most insensitive people on the planet there are millions of people who would do anything to get their family's to a first world country and work, but neet cucks thinks it's okay to waste their lives instead of improving the world or bettering them selves if you aren't successful and you live in a first world country you aren't trying as hard as you should.
>>27569582
exactly, see >>27569542
>>27569542
Oh shit bro, I hadn't seen your post yet, but we made the same point I guess.
>>27569530
A reductive caricature of NEETs? Not really.
>>27569542
>>27569582
>you can't take advantage of your privileges
It's funny for how a group that so despises privilege theory, you're perfectly capable of making claims about it when it justifies shitting on the unemployed.
>>27569530
I could t bh
>>27569633
the unemployed have it good. We need to help the worst off first.
>>27569633
You know even the unemployed of this country have a much higher standard of living than 80% of the world right?
Dudes why are you guys arguing about this on 4chan? Id rather have half of you running for president as there is no good candidates atm
>>27569687
>this country
try the entire first world, dude
>>27569664
>>27569687
Yes, because I'm sure a handful of people working in managerial finance helps the third world. Africa really cares about NEETs, they despise them because if they were managing sales and carrying enough ones, poverty would be gone.
The problem is neoliberal capitalism. It creates NEETs, it creates wage slavery, it creates poverty, and it creates the current socioeconomic situation the world is in. The blame rests completely on the shoulders of multinational corporations, businesses, and states.
Exporting that to individuals is a cheap tactic that dodges the issue by making it a matter of personal responsibility rather than policy.
>>27569759
I'm >>27569542 and >>27569664
>The problem is neoliberal capitalism. It creates NEETs, it creates wage slavery, it creates poverty, and it creates the current socioeconomic situation the world is in
.
I completley agree with this statement.
>Exporting that to individuals
I was doing no such thing. Think of it like this: you have a very sick dog (third world), and a mildly sick dog (first world). Which dog do you take to the vet first?
I'm not blaming NEETs for anything, because they didn't do anything. NEETs literally sit around and do nothing all day.
>>27569759
I'm guessing you're a socialist?
>>27569542
>>27569582
Well if assisted suicide were legal then we would have less neets
But considering the government wants people to depend on it means there is a agenda for the neets
Because you can't be a neet without being an asshole. Even retards can find work. Even if you just clean the house and help a lot then you wouldn't be a neet.
>>27569793
How is that not blaming NEETs? You're saying they're using resources that would be better used for the impoverished. Is that not just saying that the people who take care of them are to blame, since its their resources?
>>27569850
I don't think most people in this thread see much of a difference.
>>27569879
>'re saying they're using resources that would be better used for the impoverished
I never said that. I said that we shouldn't help NEETs live their life, but focus on helping the lowest of humanity.
So basically, I don't care what happens to NEETs. I don't care if they become homeless or if they become rich. I care what happens to the most oppressed of humanity worldwide, those who have had their land stolen in Africa by big corporations, those enslaved in Thailand, and those harshly subjugated in North Korea.
>>27569939
You can care about two kinds of victims at one time.
>>27569958
>NEETs
>victims
Only in the same way that all of humanity, save those in power, is victimized
>>27569633
It's not about the privileges it's about doing what is right and trying to improve the world. My point was the you gain nothing personally and never develop if you don't work or at least contribute towards others.
>>27569633
I can see your point about the privileges argument, but that still doesn't excuse people doing nothing with their lives.
>>27569981
Yeah, exactly.
Sure they aren't fucking starving, but NEETs are the logical conclusion of capitalist exploitation. They've caught capital's carrot on a stick, retirement, without even trying.They have no aspirations, no hopes, no dreams, no experience, no fulfillment. They just exist, like blobs.
Should we care about the Global South more because of the danger and suffering that's been condensed there? Of course. That doesn't mean we should not care at all about the suffering of the first world.
Everyone is hurt by this system, and while unfortunately some people will need to be hurt in order to get rid of it, NEETs are not those people. They deserve some level of sympathy as psychological victims. They shouldn't be ignored, they should acknowledged as one kind of sufferer among many.
>>27566882
I have the training you speak off, but after getting out and having no close family I can say with happiness that if shit does go down I can protect myself and others (not for free, tendies will be the accepted currency post apocalypse)
>>27565918
Also, judging by how quick he was to panic in the cave, he seems to be mentally ill or something.
That said, there needs to be some limit on willingness to house someone, otherwise there are those who would abuse such willingness.
There's a real tradeoff here, and I'm not sure it was necessary to resort to such drastic measures right away, but it sure helped bring that issue to a head.
>>27570145
>some people will need to be hurt in order to get rid of it, NEETs are not those people. They deserve some level of sympathy as psychological victims. They shouldn't be ignored, they should acknowledged as one kind of sufferer among many.
I'm not saying hurt them. I'd just rather help those less fortunate than NEETs, because NEETs really are quite fortunate, even witout hopes and dreams. At least they can exist without trying.
>>27570054
You're right, they gain no long-term personal fulfillment and they don't help anyone. If you talk to them, it becomes clear very quickly that they know this. The problem is that they would rather have no personal achievement than toil under a precarious wage system, if they have the option.
I'm saying that if we want to get rid of NEETs, get them to contribute and reach some level of fulfillment, we should drop the system that forces people to make that sort of choice.
Automate as much labor as possible, give everyone what they need to survive, and then let them find themselves in whatever way they want to (mostly in the form of some kind of contributive effort, because you're right in saying that's important to people's psyche).
>>27566852
>he thinks neets and gibsmedats are not a matter of corruption
>>27570247
I'm just saying that the solution is the same, so why ignore them? It's just more ammo.
>>27565986
Friendship and kindness doesn't mean shit if amoral people take advantage of that kindness.
>this thread
>>27567893
I get what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, you're forgetting about children and families that next to or in the battles.
>>27569815
No it wouldn't. Wish it would though.
That would just have the people who try to get work so desperately, yet fail so many times to where they might want to escape. Pretty sure you know what's next.
