Did we ruin MLP?
MLP ruined itself
Future Luna says what ever it is, its all your fault.
The constant, autistic bitching at the show staff probably takes a heavy personal toll, but as far as affecting the show goes, at worst we maybe lost out on seeing Sunny in FiM.
>>27389231
brony fandom caused all current porblems with the show, as well as driving away good writers
That would imply there was something to ruin in the first place
Now watch this
No.
Derpibooru did.
>>27389391
>driving away good writers
I don't thin we had anything to do with that.
>>27389450
exactly.
porn,salty DB admins,hostile DB mods,bullshit everywhere.
>>27389231
you can't ruin something destined to fail
>>27389231
newfags
neo mlp
Yes, for little girls at least.
Hasbro ruined MLP.
>>27389391
>driving away good writers
they got hired by better companies.
>>27389593
Hasbro is mlp, gaylord
>>27390010
That's fucking asinine.
Nice oc.
>>27389231
The show or the board?
Honestly I probably would have enjoyed myself more if it was just a kids show I thought was good. If I never discovered you people
>>27390313
It's fucking accurate.
Nice dank meme actor.
>>27389231
This sure didn't ruin MLP
>>27389360
What do you think we did that kept from being in FIM?
>>27389231
No. But you ruined any chance of being happy by getting addicted to cartoon horse.
Tel me /mlp/, if you could go back a year before hearing/watching the show, would you still do it knowing where you end up?
>>27389231
Nope, if we didn't pick this show up at 2010, Gen 4 would've walked similar path as Gen 1, ending it after 2 seasons.
>>27390010
Hasbro had to hire a competent showrunner because they spent a decade driving the franchise into the babyshit-retarded dirt. And after she gets a teamof teenagers with attitudetogether to pull it out of that muck pit, Hasbro micromanages her into leaving, so they can capitalize on the show's newfound success.
And look where we are. Episodes like 'Gift of the Maud Pie'.
Hasbro ruined MLP. Again.
>>27389231
No. Hasbro's executive Mike Vogel ruined MLP.
We simply were too autistic and incapable to help Fauat kickstart a new show.
>>27389398
This is the most minimalist way of storytelling something.
>>27392240
As it was meant to be.
Now, we have The Simpsons.
>>27390760
I would have focused more on my programming and art skills and then used the brony fandom for money.
>>27389231
Make Jeremy Whitley and Ted Anderson the head Writers and put Jay Fosgitt in charge of Art Direction.
>>27389231
The scruffenings did
Or alternativelyfor you
>>27389593
PREACH
There are 4(FOUR) fucking threads on the first page of /mlp/ that is not a fucking RP or CYOA autism-fest thread.
FOUR.
mlp might be going down the shitter but the faggots who keep it alive are doing more harm than good.
>>27393277
>He hasn't filtered them yet
New MLP is shit due to many reasons
But one of them is the excessive fanservice in my opinion, also maybe I'm just retarded but I feel like the new episodes are written with only the adult audience in mind.
What made the first seasons so great is that it was written as a family show, not as an autist's show
>>27389231
Probably, yes. We are also the reason the show still airs, so...
As a newfag who just finished watching this show a day ago, I'm incredibly confused by all these downer threads that the show is 'ruined', given how I don't see how it's supposedly 'changed.' Outside of character growth and progression of what little plot this show has, the overall theme of the show is the same from start to finish.
You guys sure you aren't caught in a nostalgia wave?
>watching the show after S2
>>27390686
I say that about /v/ a lot. It's their fault more than any that video games exist through a shit filter for me.
>>27394040
We are caught in a nostalgia wave, because the show isn't what it used to be. For me at least, the show got ruined after MMC. Since then I just can't stand to look at Twilight, and I used to be a twifag.
Since MMC we have a useless princess, a hideous useless castle, we've lost the treebrary which was like a trademark to the show, and most recently another useless baby alicorn princess. And I'm not even talking about EQG, but that doesn't affect the show directly, thankfully. As in, it's not canon to MLP.
>>27394044
I like it too.
>>27389231
Makes you think about what would have been if /co/ didn’t pick up on it in 2010, there may have been no fandom at all without that initial tread. It would have been just another little girls cartoon that would have ran its 1 season and ended as planed. Just think, in an alternate timeline this happened.
>>27394083
>because the show isn't what it used to be.
But it is. I just watched the whole thing and it's cute ponies doing clumsy friendship things and fighting evil with the magic of friendship from start to finish.
>>27394040
I think I'm that way too, despite jumping on earlier. I started watching in 2012. Season 3 was a pile, though.
>>27394100
Also, light comedy. Can't forget that.
>>27394040
Since it was a controversial episode, I'm interested in a fresh opinion. Did you like Newbie Dash? How do you compare it to Sonic Rainboom?
>>27394104
2011 was the golden year of the fandom, driving /co/ and /b/ nuts was the best part.
>>27394100
Might be because you watched the whole thing in a single run. We watched it every saturday, we endured all the hiatuses, and had more than enough time to talk about everything. You watched an episode and the jumped right at the next one, giving yourself no time to think it over.
>>27394124
Not that anon, but I got into it when S2 was airing. I think in S6 I have enough "clout" to appease your no true scotsman ass crap.
I watched the show every Saturday, and still do. I've discussed every episode and still do on a regular basis. I still like it, I don't think the show was ruined in S3 even if I wasn't impressed with it at the time. I don't have autism either.
>>27389231
Even if we did it was a dieing light
>>27394040
They're called fans of the fandom. They are people who value the fandom more than the show, and likely never even liked the show to begin with but simply liked the idea of being "freaks" or into what they thought was a "subculture", so now that that initial buzz has worn off they just stick around to tell everyone else that they're wrong and stupid.
![mlfw2143_small[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7fgfokW.jpg "mlfw2143_small[1].jpg")
How is MLP 'ruined' ?
>>27394144
>I don't have autism either.
Most autists aren't aware they are autists.
I started watching MLP in March of this year. I've watched every episode, and I haven't noticed a steep decline in quality. So why do you all say that it's ruined?
>>27394152
/thread
>>27394174
You haven't spent enough time on board to realise how's it's going down.
Also show quality did degrade since s1.
>>27394178
to the better in term of animations and character depth.
>>27394115
Ehh, I didn't really like it all that much. I get that they wanted to make the Wonderbolts into this group of rough but cool flyers, but between this episode and... well, pretty much every episode where the Wonderbolts are being jerks and Dash has to teach them basic friendship lessons, I don't really like them.
Maybe in the next Wonderbolt episode one of Dash's lessons will finally stick, and they become a bunch of decent guys. I did like that one comic where Spitfire calls on Dash like a friend would to help teach a bunch of kids. If we get more of that, Wonderbolts being actual friends, I'll be looking forward to Wonderbolt episodes, rather than dread them.
>>27394104
It had the most duds, yeah. Though I did enjoy the opening and finale. Apple Family Reunion and Games Ponies Play were fun too.
>>27394124
True, I don't have years of nostalgia to mull over, but if there was a severe shift of tone that made the show completely different from what it used to be, I think I would have noticed it.
>>27394152
That... actually makes more sense than it should.
Just like how /tg/ keeps bitching about 40K even though it's still the single most popular tabletop on the board.
>>27394178
>You haven't spent enough time on board to realise how's it's going down.
There are so many things wrong with this statement. A. you imply that this board is somehow indicative of the entire fandom or somehow the authority on the show, or even worse that you actually get your opinions directly from this board and willingly participate in a hive mind, and B. that if not that, you're implying that the quality of the board is the thing in question and most important, pretty much assuring us that you hold the fandom above the show and that your main interest is in the fandom and not the show....making you what?
>>27394186
Thank you. I agree with you about the Wonderbolts, btw.
>>27394205
Over-analyzing there now aren't you?
What's the point,prove me wrong?
You already succeeded at that so what's the big idea about rest of your post?
>>27394225
i just want to find something to spend more time with you
It's not ruined, it's still kinda okay. Season 6 has been subpar so far, but the songs in the last episode were enough to give me hope.
>>27394186
>I think I would have noticed it
I think you think you're more observant than you actually are.
>>27394186
>but if there was a severe shift of tone that made the show completely different from what it used to be, I think I would have noticed it.
Oh, there is a certain shift between the first two seasons and the third....but there is also a shift between the third and the fourth.
The old episodes have a different charm, this is true...it might not be apparent at first but there is a more curious, whimsical charm about them and ultimately it comes down to a few things...for one thing, IT'S NEW....not just new to you, me , or anybody else, but it's new...there is all sorts of wonder about the world, about Equestria, about the characters...this goes away the more the world and the characters are fleshed out and develop, and also smaller details like certain animation quirks and shit, you might notice when re watching old episodes that they tend to act a lot more like actual horses with cute mannerisms at times than in later ones.
But here's the thing, change doesn't mean automatically bad. Most agree S3 was the weakest season, and the smarter people agree this has nothing to do with Twilight becoming a princess but just overall quality, and only an idiot would think that just because there was a weaker season doesn't mean that a future season can't be better than it, or even great in it's own right despite being different than the ones that came before it in some ways. It's going to be different every time, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse and sometimes for neither, it's just different and good in it's own right.
You'll notice lots of people here say "I don't watch the show anymore". These are largely the people who insist the new episodes suck, take that in for a second. The people who proudly boast they are not fans of the show and don't watch it are it's most vocal critics.
>>27394254
are you trying to insult me just because you're over the internet and not face to face with me?
that is truly pathetic, i don't even know you and you start hauling out insults because i disagree with you?
is this how you act around your friends to sound tough around them?
>>27389231
yes
>>27394267
Somebody's sensitive.
No. I said what I said because I meant it. I think you never actually got into the show. I think it's just background noise to you. I think you don't actually pay attention to the characters or the world that they inhabit, and the only thing you notice from episode to episode is "cute ponies doing cute things". I think that's why you didn't notice a shift in tone; you never cared enough to pay attention.
But that's just what I think. I don't give a damn about what YOU think, so why should you towards me?
>>27394267
I can speak for myself, thank you very much.
>>27394254
Possibly, but then how is it changed to the point of ruination? There's been a long and slow character growth for the various characters (some more than others, as Fluttershy suffers from a hellalot of rubber banding) but overall the show is still cute ponies bettering the world with the power of friendship.
Even Twilight, who went through the most changes and got a fancy title and castle, is still at her core the same Twilight of season one.
>>27394301
>>27394267
As an addendum, I also think you aren't >>27394186, becausepage updates
>>27394309
Yep. Figured as much.
>>27394309
But in response, the show originally wasn't "ponies bettering the world with the power of friendship". It was Twilight bettering HERSELF through friendship. There was so much potential to be had there, so many more flaws and conflicts waiting to be explored in Twilight and the others. One example is the completely-wasted road they could have taken with Twilight and Sombra's dark magic. THAT could have resulted in an entire plotline pitting Twilight's desire for knowledge and magical power against her friendships and kind nature. You know, a conflict that could actually apply to the real world.
Thrown away so Hasbro could sell a new princess toy, and then shoddily plastered over by writers who had no choice but to follow the mandate from on high. It makes me sad to think about what could have been.
S5>S4>S2>S1>S3
Haven't watched S6 yet
MLP became shit because of its autistic fan base. I was once apart of the cancer but now I am a glorious horse-fucker.
>>27394346
>I'm a special snowflake stop oppressing me I'm not a brony call me by my preferred pronoun
>>27394325
>It makes me sad to think about what could have been.
Nobody cares about your fanfiction faggot. If you had any good ideas you'd have a fucking job because of them.
>>27394340
kys
>>27394325
>the show originally wasn't "ponies bettering the world with the power of friendship
>elements of harmony in the first two episodes
m8
>>27394340
1=2>4>5=6(so far)>3
honestly, s3 is only regarded as largely bad because of the finale...right? it was a shorter season than the rest and probably had as many decent to meh episodes as any depending on which characters you prefer
>>27394400
It wasn't that bad, but I still think it's a bit meh.
Is 6 that bad? That's a shame.
>>27394340
Nah.
S5>S2>S4>S1>S6 (so far)>S3
>>27394266
I see what you mean. Though what I meant by tone shift was more something that would make MLP a completely different kind of show, not the shift that comes from characters growing while the overall tone of 'friendship is magic and we can overcome every obstacle through it' remains the same.
I mean, sure, things have changed. Twilight is no longer a librarian learning about friendship, but a princess teaching about friendship. But even then, Twilight's lessons still involve her learning new things herself, as we saw in The Hooffields and the Mcolts where she was faced with the realization that just being the princess of friendship doesn't mean she's the supreme authority on the subject, or No Second Prances where she learned that even she is not above prejudices.
Twilight is still learning about friendship, even if the encounters with it now at times have a purpose instead of being happy accidents.
>>27394325
The very first episode had Twilight and her new friends save Equestria from eternal darkness through the power of friendship, and several episodes after that they repeat that a couple of times. Sure, there are a lot of episodes where it's the individual ponies doing their own thing, but that too hasn't really changed. Yes, Twilight learns important lessons in every episode, but this too has remained, except she no longer writes letters to Celestia but each of her friends write pages in a diary. Same principle, just a different execution.
And I'm not sure how the conflict we got in Crystal Empire doesn't apply to the real world. We're always faced with choices that benefit ourselves versus choices that benefit others. No, we didn't get Twilight going Anakin Skywalker and falling to the dark side, but would that inherently have been a better story? I mean it's an interesting one, but not something I immediately peg as superior to what we got.
>>27394380
>I literally don't know what a MacGuffin is
>>27394433
I don't, sorry.
>>27394446
A plot device that steers the story and often provides the key for the protagonists to achieve their goals.
In this case, the Elements of Harmony are what allow the mane 6 to actually use friendship as a weapon, rather than it being just words for the villain to laugh at.
Still doesn't change that they were powered by friendship, and that friendship saved the world in the first episode though.
>>27394446
Educate yourself on common storytelling devices before jumping into a debate about shifts in the tone of storytelling.
>>27394432
>what we got
What DID we get, exactly? Because from my perspective, we got:
A - Twilight becoming a princess for no real reason
B - Two entire seasons of the writers having no idea what to do with the newly-made princess
C - A writing team focusing more on fandom jokes than good storytelling (example: Fluttershy's "Stare" being made into some kind of magical ability, rather than just a nod to her motherly nature and force of will; anything with Bulk Biceps, Derpy, Pinkie Pie, Maud Pie, etc.)
I've been trying to appreciate the show and what it has become for four years now, anon. Every so often, I get an episode that reminds me of how I felt during the first years. Season Five had... two of those, I think? S6 hasn't had a single one so far.
I don't know why you haven't noticed the changes, but I have. I don't like them.
>>27389231
No. Hasbro did, and will keep doing so.
>>27394475
Twilight becoming a princess was hinted at since the very first episode, what with her element being the only crown in the set and her being the personal student of the main princess. And Twilight being in limbo about what it means to be a princess was something she herself fretted over quite a bit as well, it was part of her character arc which, in typical MLP fashion, is being resolved very very slowly.
I'm probably the wrong person to talk about when it comes to fandom jokes, since I'm not familiar with those jokes being a newfag, but as someone who doesn't know the jokes, they just seem like character stereotypes to me. In some cases they can be annoying (Bulk Biceps annoys the fuck out of me every time he gets a talking role) but characters like Maud and Pinkie just seem to have their own traits, and I do like them. The Gift of Maud Pie was a fun episode.
Not sure what you mean by Fluttershy's stare being made magical. If anything, they pretty much pointed out in Keep Calm and Flutter On that there's nothing magical about it.
But that last part about 'feeling during the first years?' that sounds like nostalgia, and you're never really going to get that feeling of the first time watching something new back, no matter how much the studio tries to capture that feeling. But that's not the show changing, that's you having gotten used to the show. I'll likely feel the same way in a year or so.
>>27394411
6 isn't over yet, there is no way to tell. All I know is that so far I only love 2 episodes from it...5 was not as good as 4 to me, only time will tell if 6 is better of worse than 5, for now it's equal.
>>27394432
>Twilight is still learning about friendship
Tell that to fandom fans. They insist that she isn't, because they don't watch the show and only come here to troll. There is no reason do anything but call them faggots.
>>27394534
THIS.
>>27394475
>A - Twilight becoming a princess for no real reason
Celestia was always looking for a successor/pony to take up the mantle of powerful alicorn, hence her fucking school brah
>B - Two entire seasons of the writers having no idea what to do with the newly-made princess
No idea what to do? One season was about her adjusting to being a "princess", the other was about her being one
>>27394534
>Twilight becoming a princess was hinted at since the very first episode.
Stop lying you piece of shit.
>>27394603
SALTY
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>>27394603
>literally has a fucking crown
>>27394603
You can argue that it is open to interpretation, but just because someone sees things differently than you doesn't mean they are wrong
>>27389398
Where can I see more of these?
>>27394654
http://i-animate-ponymotes.tumblr.com/
>>27389231
Yeah. It all started with you faggots fan pandering that shit tier autistic brony pony derpy
>>27389398
top fucking kek haven't laughed at one of those ever, 10/10
>>27394665
Sweet
>>27394626
A TIARA never implied that she was going to become what we got, just that she's, I don't know, maybe the main character of the show.
You're either a shill, or a retard to claim that it's a pure coincidence that Hasbro aren't responsible for that, especially when it's known that they pull strings in production,and when they have to include a song repeatedly saying "Everything is fine, it's fine" over and over and over in the very episode they introduce it.
>>27394603
She's the personal prized pupil of the current ruling princess send on a specific mission by said princess which turns out to be a trial-by-fire and her element is the only one of the set that turns into a crown. This is all in the very first episode. They could not have made it more obvious without literally spelling it out.
>>27395437
>three fucking years later
>still this upset
Everything’s going to be just fine, Anon!
The show started becoming horse shit due to staff changes, not anything we did, competent staff members would be able to write a good show regardless of fan background.
We didn't ruin shit, we just made it run longer.
>>27395437
I am a shill, I woke for Hasbro
AMA
>>27395437
>Twilight will succeed Celestia
>Won't be a princess though
How does that work, friend?
>>27395725
Celestia isn't just a princess, she is also the overseer of a magic school.
Guess what job actualy fights Twilight's personality and demeanor?
>>27395755
Librarian
>>27395755
I hadn't considered that. Maybe that is why the show keeps having Twilight teach kids and now has a student? Their way to make use of the idea even after Hasbro asked for the princess stuff?
>>27389231
Yes
We actually improved it. The people making the show now have to pay attention to the smallest details because they KNOW people are watching their every move. Hasbro has to make toys that are faithful to the show because we demand them.
>>27395805
No.
>>27389360
Always Sunny In FIM?
>>27396665
Btw, Charlie as Fluttershy's brother was a fake. Wasn't it? It'd have been nice.
>>27389475
>DB
db
dragon ball?
>>27395755
You mean Twilight the organizer? Twilight who, whenever given the chance, has shown exceeding skill in leadership? Twilight who consistently inspires those around her? Twilight who in the end always takes the lead and shows everyone the best path to getting shit done?
Just because we all love the geek side of Twilight doesn't mean she wasn't already showing her ability to lead throughout the show. Hell, the entirety of Winter Wrap Up -again way back in season one- spend the entire episode pretty much telling us "Twilight is better of when she's leading people than she is following them."
>>27396767
You rang?
>>27389231
Quit harassing the show staff
>>27395793
>and now has a student
A student of what, though? Magic? Glimmer's already easily on-par with Twilight when it comes to magic, as contrived as that is, so it isn't that. Friendship? You can't teach friendship. You can't study it from books or anything, or build a lesson plan around it. That was the entire point of the first episode, for Twilight to STOP studying for a moment and go live life.
The writers have completely forgotten what the show was about, so I don't find it too surprising that so many anons have, as well.
yes, undoubtedly
>>27389231
>all these faggots trying to say that the show writing has gone down but in return they just want to be pandered to like that autistic retard brony pony derpy
>>27390668
Both?
>>27395805
How?
What would make mlp better?
>>27400670
Instead of bullying the writers into doing stupid shit, we bully them into doing smart shit.
>>27389231
Enhanced
>>27400511
>shit-talking on Derphorse
Nigger, I may not like the pandas and rings anymore than you do, but you can still get fucked.
>>27389231
No, actually
You would have to be either be incredibly fucking retarded to seriously think this
or fucking incredibly retarded to honestly think this
mlp is fine, you're just being retarded, just like every "good old days" person on any subject ever.
>>27401689
So what did ruin MLP then?
>>27393994
> first season
> great
>>27394400
S3 started off stronger than S1 or S2 and finished weaker. It was probably worse overall, but not by very much.
>>27402158
In these sorts of situations, I usually blame the jews.
MLP is fine
/mlp/ is a boring thrash filled with greens and other autism ith other whiners finding to whine about tme smallest thing and jack off 1 and 2 seasons until the semen covers all of their slutty ass-cheeks from Lauren's gigantic futa cock.
And then they make a green where they are super handsome with their waifu who loves them very much.
>>27389231
Yup. We did it guys.
>>27389231
>MLP
>ruined
Nice meme.
>>27401706
this
I for one noticed the changes, and it was all a reason to love the show more and more.
Yes, it has lost a big amount of its childish charm, yet it has gained a new, more mature charm instead.
And no way am I angry just because they nod to us, the fandom occasionally.
>>27390694
Whoa, someone's got a bit of a temper.
>>27401512
>worst horse
>retard
>autistic
>multiple name and voice changes
Pandering shit tier autistic brony pony to the max
>>27392352
>Episodes like 'Gift of the Maud Pie'.
So episodes that are fun, funny and have lovely interactions?
Nice one, keep 'em coming, I have high hopes from the new writer brothers.
>all these whiners in the thread
So which one was autistic enough to downvote spam the latest episode on IMDb?
>have very high average rating
>suddenly 13 votes for "1"
Not that it matters in anything, but that is just petty.
>>27389231
If anything, blame >mom who left the show. That is the person to blame. She was being a crybaby little cunt and this is what you all get. Meghan is the hero mlp deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
>>27402411
>Mom was a crybaby
said a faggot, still butthurt THREE FUCKING YEARS after MMC
>>27402400
Episodes that blatantly rehash plot points from older episodes without understanding what made those gags or points relevant in the first place.
so instead of making a new thread ill ask this here.
I only recently got into MLP and I see a lot of people complain about post season 2 content. I havent really noticed a big dip in quality or what have you, so why do people feel this way?
>>27402614
oh and I should add I just watched the first 2 episodes of season 5, nothing beyond that.
>>27402614
The nostalgia factor paints everything in a better light. The older our fond memories are, the more we miss it and crave for those times to find us again.
Hence after it changes from "how it once used to be" into "how the series currently is", people strongly affected by nostalgia - nostalgiafags so to say - will not see the good old days in the more recent episodes, so they will say it is shit, because it is not how it used to be.
The show is amazing right now in my opinion, but I never was one to be nostalgic about things. Though season 6 is still a bit too focused on a certain character so far, but that isn't too bad on its own.
>>27402614
The main reason is nostalgia goggles. When people started watching the show, they were shocked by how good it was, and cause of that, gained a sort of high, where the show could do no wrong and it was essentially perfect. But then that feeling, like everything else, wore off, and now people started to notice the faults in the show, the faults that were always there mind you.
I honestly want someone to go back to season 1 episodes and analyze them with the fervor they do now, without the rose tinted glasses and see whether or not they hold to the standard that they hold them to.
And the main reason it's set at S2 is because that's the season Faust essentially left the show, even if she only worked on 3 episodes during the whole season.
>>27394152
This.
Although, judging from S6 so far, I think the writers are starting to run out of steam.
>>27402614
Nostalgiafags. Admittedly, S2 was the best, with or without Faust. Yes, she made the show, but out of everyone who made episodes, she made the very least when she was around. S3 and beyond has it ups and downs. This isn't 2012 and people REALLY need to move on from nostalgia land. There's nothing wrong with admiring the old seasons, but some people can be obnoxious about it like those pesky90's fags
>>27390010
Jesus fuck did we ruin Hasbro?
>>27394158
Obnoxiously parodic direction. Of course you wouldn't notice it, you're a fan of the fandom who enjoys obnoxious parodies with horrible acting.
P.S. You're highly autistic.
>>27403663
YOU are the one who is here despite not liking the series anymore.
YOU are the fan of the fandom, not people who love the show still.
P.S. You showcased text-book autism.
>>27403663
MLP was always a parody of itself. See S1.
>>27389231
no, mlp soiled itself
