Remember when we thought that the comics were going to be the "true" direction of the show?
I've read through probably about 20 of the comics and think they're much better than the show, particularly the IDW ones.
And I actually enjoy the show very much.
Is Ted "all men are shit" Anderson still trying to get on the writing staff?
>>25314363
Have you read "The Root of the Problem?" or the Bull Arc? Or Dragontown?
>>25314363
>particularly the IDW ones.
As opposed to...
>>25314296
>we
>>25314381
I think that was his attempt at a joke, but I'm still terrified.
>>25314296
Oh wait, the new FF is out?
>>25314388
sorry, I'm genuinely retarded
>>25314385
I can't remember the titles, last time I read one was months ago
>>25314407
What was it? The one with the deer? The one with the bulls?
>>25314400
Tomorrow, double dubs.
>>25314417
Neat. Been waiting for this one.
>>25314417
>What was it? The one with the deer? The one with the bulls?
The one with the ponies.
>>25314381
Ted can at least write majority of his stories averagely well.
He's a shit person though.
>>25314432
>comics having ponies
>>25314397
>I'm still terrified
Why? He'll never actually make it, his resume is shit and he doesn't even know how to actually become a writer.
He basically just emails hasbro some scripts and thinks they'll one day contact him and say "we liked that script you sent us, wanna be a writer?"
>>25314438
>>comics having ponies
I don't understand
>>25314438
>Sirens Fiendship
>EqG Christmas Special
Those two alone invalidate any "good" that he's done. The best he has done is mediocre, by the way.
>>25314466
I said majority, not everything. Besides, I'm more surprised he hasn't done more shittier things in tier with the EG special.
>>25314497
I'm 99% sure that Ted is a holy cow for IDW at this point. After what he calls "the incident," IDW definitely defended him to an insane degree and he used his personal relationship with the editor to ensure that he would never be let go.
To this day IDW still will not comment on what they told Ted and insist that they'd rather let people who were loyal fans go than actually just fire one guy. They actually filter out any email about Ted. It's hilarious. Someone should go to an IDW panel that has Curnow at it and ask him why Ted Anderson still works with IDW.
Look at their damn forums. People gave up trying to reason with them. Even the asslickers gave up, because there's nothing that they allow.
>>25314363
>>25314296
Am I the only person here who hates this guy art style?
>>25314602
It is ugly as shit.
>>25314602
You are not. It's one of the reasons I don't buy the comics.
>>25314602
I think it's cute, but kind of misplaced for official comics.
>>25314296
The only good comic was the original Chrysalis arc. It all went downhill from there. By now it's nothing more than shitty fanficiton.
I think DHX's statement that the comics aren't canon unless the show decides they are made IDW feel like they had carte blanche in coming up with retarded headcanons that went completely against character, because it didn't have to be canon anyway.
I always felt like the comics are what the show would be now if they let fandom people influence it.
>>25314526
What he do to make everyone hate him? I remember he was friends with some girl blogger/pony-merchandise-seller who hates bronies, but that can't be the only reason.
>>25314706
IIRC that's in reference to the Reflections Arc which is hands down the single worst piece of trash this property has had associated with it.
>>25314602
I like it. In fact, there's fewer people here have little to no problem with it than the ones who dislike Fogsitt's style.
>>25314733
That was written by Cook.
>>25314634
That would imply you even buy the comics.
>>25314296
Yeah... I want to forget I ever had faith in the comics.
>>25314363
「BAIT THE DUST」
>>25314672
Sounds about accurate. Chrysalis was alright, but it went to shit with Nightmarity, and straight down from there.
>>25314706
Twitter drama, and him being a hypocrite social justice warrior.
Also for two bad issues he did.
>>25314602
I prefer Jenn Blake
>>25314811
Actually Fogsitt's style is more similar to Katie Cook's art.
>>25314296
I don't even bother reading the comics. From what I've seen it's full of brony pandering, shoutouts, and 90's references that only adults will understand shoved into every single panels as much as possible.
>>25314706
It was that, and he would CONSTANTLY verbalize it. And reblog things that mentioned how bad bronies were.
>>25314830
Far from it actually. The problem is that the artist love to do references to the point where it's just known for...just that. The stories and jokes themselves are alright, depending on the issues and writers.
>>25314830
The new arc that's supposed to be the big thing for the year reads like edgy fanfiction.
I have been reading the comics when they came out still miss 2 comics i think it was isseus 16 and 21. But after that i have all of then. Most of them i enjoy reading, i like the main and friends forever comics but diddent like the micro series but some i do like
>>25314526
What exactly is "the incident"?
>>25315043
When he put the OCs of two separate brony haters in the comic because he was friends with them and bragged about it. Not just that, he lied on the IDW forum about thinking that the shitposts that he agreed with were satire, and went somewhere else to say he knew it wasn't. People brought this up to IDW and they claimed to fire him, but they actually didn't. By the time that came out, all Ted discussion was crushed and emails about him filtered.
Someone needs to ask about this at a con.
>>25315137
This is amusing...and disturbing.
>>25314296
The comics are hit and miss
>>25314296
I like the comics.
I think the show might do slice of life better but I think the comic definitely does action/adveture better.
>>25315352
Easily impressed by the shit you're being spoonfed with I see.
>>25315352
quite the opposite. The comics do slice of life better than their action, but they're usually a step down compared to the shw at present.
>>25315411
This. Comic does adventure poorly.
>>25314602
hes the worst of the artists in my opnion
>>25314602
At least his Spike is better than... you know who.
>>25315311
mostly miss.
the one shots are a little more even on the hit and miss
>>25314296
You're... you're kidding, right OP?
Even since the starts the comics were utter shit. The chrysalis arc, the nightmare rarity arc.
Even the slice of life. IDW was always known for shit.
It's as generic, boring and anti-original as you can get.
Now I'd read a comic written by Faust or anyone who can improve on season 1's writing.
>>25314602
I love it. It's cute and draws a clear line between comics and show.
Not gonna lie, I liked Fiendship #1.
Then the most recent arc of the main comic happens and now it's suddenly a trainwreck when Radiant Hope returns wither her being a bad guy but not explicitly evil, like... the fuck? How is she alive? Are Crystal Ponies immortal or some shit? Did she enter a pact with an elder god or something?
>>25316468
Did you read the sombra comic? Fiendship is magic #1 ? I can understand radint hope on why she does it
>>25316500
We did. That's why people were sorta hype for the current arc.
Sadly that hype train has crashed into the cliff, since we got Radiant as a damn Sue, Sisters showing up solely to be Worf'd hard as fuck in two pages, and the "villain" team having them be terribly OOC.
>>25314786
>Any opinion that isn't mine is automatically bait
>>25314296
>Remember when we thought that the comics were going to be the "true" direction of the show?
Yes.
Theres a number of things I remember from the past few years on this ride.
>>25316780
You've got to be kidding. There are opinions, but something like the comics are overall good? People don't sincerely believe that anymore and not here. That's bait. Less and less people are liking them everyday, and the numbers show.
>>25317350
>People don't sincerely believe that anymore and not here.
>M-muh bandwagon is absolute, no one could or should ever go against the majority
>Muh sales numbers are indicative of subjective perception
>>25315890
Lol. Go read Them's Fighting Herds "deep lore" and then come back to us.
>>25315352
Not at all. And if you believe that, you have horrible taste.
>>25317376
You should leave now, IDWanker
>>25317376
>B-but it's an opinion!
Opinions can be wrong you know. A good example would be if someone said Adam Sandler still makes funny movies. Or that Ted Anderson is an all-around good human being.
>>25316765
I sort of expected it, given Whitley's tendency to give the spotlight to his OCs. Honestly I think the arc should have gone to Tirek. But apparently IDW demanded a villains team up arc even though Hasbro restricted who could be used.
>>25317404
>Super salty
>>25317412
Not in an objective sense except by those grasping at straws with false comparisons and irrelevant analogies to validate their own opinion.
>>25317421
>But apparently IDW demanded a villains team up arc
Isn't Chrysalis and Sombra a good enough villain teamup? Heck, maybe those fuckin bulls that are actual comic villains would've done better. I feel Hasbro understands these characters less then they should.
>even though Hasbro restricted who could be used.
They didn't bother to restrict Iron Will. That was one of the most stupidest mistakes ever.
>>25317450
>those grasping at straws with false comparisons and irrelevant analogies to validate their own opinion.
>ironic shitposting
>>25317467
>Iron Will
>villain
What
>>25317450
Okay, then do tell. What is so good about IDW's pony run? I'm all ears.
Nobody thought the comics would be good, only better than Hasbro's new seasons.
Sadly we now have bad comics AND bad show.
Sad ponk is sad.
>>25317476
>meme responding
>I'm the ironic shitposter
lel
>>25317483
>O-oh yeah, well why don't YOU tell me what I should think then?!
The great thing about it is I don't have to justify liking something to prove arguments believed to be objective held against it are fallacious.
Instead let's stay on topic here and address what's already been stated:
>The comics are bad because there's a majority against them here
Two things wrong with this argument;
1) It assumes that a vocal portion of the users is representative of the majority and
2) It implies that popular opinion is an objective measure of quality
Since we're going with analogies here, let's use that logic and apply it to other forms of media. The Twilight book and movie series, for instance, is particularly popular, as was the Harry Potter franchise. Based on the logic that popularity dictates quality, both of those would be considered equally high quality.
Now, another issue that was brought up was the falling sales numbers being indicative of quality. While that's within the same line of logic that popularity=quality, there's also a couple other things incorrect with it as well;
1) Despite the falling sales numbers, it still remains IDW's highest grossing franchise making the numbers irrelevant because it's still earning money and
2)the same logic can be applied to the show itself considering it's consistently falling ratings, that episodes not reaching some arbitrary view rating are therefore "objectively" bad because people didn't tune in at the time of airing.
I'm merely pointing out that there is no truly objective measure of something gauged by subjective interpretation, and to enforce certain ideals as objective is just asinine.
Now if you want to argue why you don't like the comics as a point of criticism feel free to do so, just try to avoid latching on to what others say or feel to validate your own opinions
>>25317481
Where have you been?
A little off topic from the comics and I'll post this in the storytime thread for the comic too, but in case anyone wants the Luna book now:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/04d6brzitxi8aam/Princess+Luna+and+the+Festival+of+the+Winter+Moon.rar
Comic should be out a little under 12 hours from now.
>>25317622
>Failed to answer the original topic of why anyone could possibly enjoy MLP's comic run, after originally getting mad that someone called out bait for being bait, tries to shift the topic to avoid the thread's topic.
Pic very, very related.
>>25314296
the comics were always shit.
>>25314466
>both EqG comics
Good, i hope they're shit. The entire premise of equestria girls is shit. If you seriously like EqG, I'm glad you're disappointed.
>>25317960
>Continues to try to put an objective measure on subjective interpretation
>Continues to put the focus on why people like thing, instead of making any valid criticism of why it's "objectively" bad
Oh, I see why you would dislike the comics! You seem to lack reading comprehension indicated by dismissing that whole post which already explains why arguing opinions from an objective standpoint is objectively incorrect.
Furthermore, I stayed very much on topic by addressing the arguments that were already made rather than falling into the same fallacious trap the opposition seems to do constantly by needing validation for subjective interpretation. But thanks for hypocritically failing to address any of my points as well.
>>25314296
I do remember thinking that they would took over once the show was finished.
What went wrong with the comics?
>>25318056
>But thanks for hypocritically failing to address any of my points as well.
Sorry, I don't like giving baiters what they want. But I look forward to your response with your next shiggy-diggy pony reaction image.
>>25317771
Anything good?
>>25314786
>part 4 is being animated
>>25318262
Here's your reply then.
>>25318274
And with it I eagerly await more fanart of Rarity as Josuke.
>>25318274
Please dont give Rara such a shit hair.
>>25318280
Right back at you.
>>25318301
>>25314381
And the Illustrious Q is still trying to get on IDW's pony writing staff.
>>25318318
>>25314296
>>25318333
Well, he certainly has about as much chance of that as Ted Anderson has of becoming a show writer.He doesn't.
>>25318348I wonder if Kira had a fetish for his own severed hand.
>>25318394
Can't believe that he said that.
>>25318393
You know it.
>>25318403
>>25318418
I want Yoshikage Kira's [/spoiler]_tie[/spoiler]But having his Stand would be awesome too.
>>25318420
And without fail, the faggot that dumps "le ebin screencaps and page edits" continues his crusade to become the literal Barneyfag of comic threads. Gotta get that message out there 'cause people need to know, right?
These IDW edits are mostly shit. Just like how Bobby Curnow actually is shit at his job.
>>25318454
u mad?
good, get madder and butthurt-er
>>25317395
baaaaaaaah
>>25318471
>lol u mad? u mad? y r u so mad tho?pls validate me fellow anti-comicfags ;_;
Respond to the EqG image, I fucking dare you. That's the extent of the substance behind your cringey as fuck behavior.
>>25318487
thanks 4 the free bump!
>>25318487
k
>>25314602
It's cute but he does human poses to the extreme and draws real world architecture instead of Equestria.
I want more sunset abuse in the comic
You can at least post legit reasons why the comic is shit instead of boring ass edits.
>>25318503
>Implying
I've beenpolitely not bumpingon account of shit that's irrelevant to the rest of the board.
But there's no need for me to help along, since you'll tirelessly bump the thread yourself in your autistic crusade. But do keep going, it's amusing watching your pathetic struggle.
>He's a user
>On an anonymous website
>He feels the need to virtually picket a comic publisher because he doesn't like it's comics
>He does it for free
>He can never rest knowing there are people who aren't up in arms over a children's comic franchise
>He takes his protests very seriously
>>25318538
Love that comic. They even refer to Sunset as "family" in that issue too.
Gets me every time.
>>25318540
Left good. Right bad.
Unfortunately for the past two years they've been mostly like right.
>>25318549
Hi Ted.
>>25318549
thanks for another free bump!
What was the worst comic arc? Did the Bulls or Deer beat out Reflections for anyone else?
>>25318576
>>25318582
>>25318576
Ted never posted here. I think Cook talks about us sometimes and I'm sure Whitley and Price lurk.
>>25318569
Nice selection bias there. Clearly one only needs two scenes to represent quality of a much larger production.
>>25318576
>>25318579
Yes, isn't it great that the protests staged here actually managed to get someone people hate fired? Oh whoops, that's actually not what happened and stirring shit here turns out to just be autists circlejerking meaninglessly. But by all means, keep going. That's what this board is for: pointless circlejerking right?
>>25318582
Bulls is without a doubt the biggest bullshit.
No, seriously. Reflections might have Marty Stu Sombra, but the bulls arc lacks plain logic and brains. It's worse than a Mad parody.
>>25318624
do you mean we should burn their houses down because we don't like their writting or something?
>>25318624
IDW lied about firing them.
>>25318627
Bulls originally had the Bulls as treasure hunters rather than bandits. Still fucking stupid though.
>>25318624
>>Nice selection bias there. Clearly one only needs two scenes to represent quality of a much larger production.
I can give a shitload more scenes, but I don't think thread image limits could handle it.
>>25318624
comics are shit, why you defending shit?
>>25314296
Oh crap, people actually make cherpumples.
>>25318639
My point being that for all the retards here taking advantage of hiding in anonymity to fulfill self-righteous bitching about shit they don't like, it's ultimately nothing more than that: bitching behind a mask for the sake of it. It has accomplished nothing at all about changing shit with the company. They've grown complacent and comfortable living in their echochamber to the point of wrongfully shunning anybody who doesn't share their opinion.
>>25318662
>Even more selection bias, followed by a "clever" little quip
That's nice, but it doesn't explain at all why you dislike it. Just giving examples of what you dislike.
>>25318698
I'm not even defending the comics, I've been defending rational critical thinking over bullshit like mob-mentality and enforcing subjective reasoning as absolute objective fact.
>pic related
It's a fucking licensed spin-off of a children's cartoon show, and people are taking it -this- seriously that they feel the need to rally against it. It's insane.
>>25318783
> look at the big boy taking advangage and hiding in anonimity to call us retards
ohai, JARKES
>>25318783
>It has accomplished nothing at all about changing shit with the company.
So?
There is literally nothing to do about it but that doesn't mean people should just stop giving their opinions.
>My point being that for all the retards here taking advantage of hiding in anonymity to fulfill self-righteous bitching about shit they don't like.
>They've grown complacent and comfortable living in their echochamber to the point of wrongfully shunning anybody who doesn't share their opinion.
Same happens in non-anonymous forums where complaining normally gets you banned, buried in downvotes or people starts ignoring you because they can't take criticism.
>>25318883
>It just happens anyway, might as well let it happen
I really hate this argument, because it's ultimately counter-productive and ends up enabling such behavior. I find it especially hilarious that it's often a double-standard they use to say "we shouldn't be silenced for giving criticism" yet turn around and shut out any criticism they themselves receive. They turn it into an echochamber moreso because it's a response to other websites' echochambers, but it becomes a detriment to the environment by disallowing thoughtful critical discussion in favor of representing the opposite extreme of other forums.
>>25318783
>It has accomplished nothing at all about changing shit with the company.
The lastest arc's sales numbers say otherwise, my friend.
In fact, the new arc failed to break 20K on it's debut, which had never happened before. Probably will drop down to 15K or less during the rest of the arc.
>>25318783
>>25318783
>My point being that for all the retards here taking advantage of hiding in anonymity to fulfill self-righteous bitching about shit they don't like, it's ultimately nothing more than that: bitching behind a mask for the sake of it. It has accomplished nothing at all about changing shit with the company. They've grown complacent and comfortable living in their echochamber to the point of wrongfully shunning anybody who doesn't share their opinion.
This proves we're dealing with either a shill or someone who works at the company. Many people have, without a "mask" called out IDW and they don't care. Or they get banned for criticisms.
Stop replying to him guys. He's clearly someone with a bone in this and is triggered that people continuously call them out. "Defending rational critical thinking" is most likely bullshit. Just ignore him.
>>25318994
he is Jarkes from equestria daily and derpibooru's boards.
same insults, same blanket statements, same cowardly insults and same hypocricy, he always loses his shit and goes batshit crazy insulting people for not being nice, etc.
notice how he immediately got silient as soon i said his name?
>>25318783
Okay, you want it spelled out?
For one there's the main writers. Either you have Whitley and Anderson, who write the show characters in character, but try to force their subset of "progressive morality" and "social criticism" into nearly every single issue they do. And they don't do that subtly, no. They have to do it in the most ham-fisted passive-agressive ways they can, demolishing established worldbuilding and hammering out "real-world parallels".
On the other side you have Cook, who treats the entire FiM world and cast like a dollhouse she freely uses to craft idiot plot arcs in which every single character gets twisted OOC in order to make a specific theme park ride work (be it romance drama, looney tunes western, or environmentalist shlock).
Then we've got the artists, and it's still a mixed bag on that front.
Price is good, but his art is wasted on Cook's writing, and he's been noticeably slacking off compared to the first year's work.
Hickey is one of the only competent people left working on this, so that's one plus.
Garbowska's style is honestly pretty bland even if it's cute on occasion, and she desperately needs a decent colorist.
Other than that there's a mixed bag off one-offs which range from downright horrible like >>25318662 and superb like Ben Bates (who unfortunately quit comics), Mebberson only does covers, and the two newcomers Fosgitt and Blake. Fosgitt's style is cute and different, and at first feels like a breath of fresh air until you see the extensive liberties taken witht he source material: human poses everywhere and Ponyville is suddenly Springfield.
Blake's art is nice, but she's a lesbo weirdo who insists on putting her Ponysona OC and a Scooby Doo's Velma expy in her issue.
And to top this all off there's the editing. Or lack thereof. Because seriously? >>25318662
>:D
What in the bloody fuck.
Also image related. Major fuckup right there, it's hard to believe something like this can slip.
>>25319028
not him but what's te problem with that pic?
>>25319050
Check middle left panel and look closely.
>>25318965
>>25317622
>Now, another issue that was brought up was the falling sales numbers being indicative of quality. While that's within the same line of logic that popularity=quality, there's also a couple other things incorrect with it as well;
But of course, impressionable minds willing to immediately adapt to the environment or culture probably do make their decisions based on what others tell them. What a shame there is probably -some- truth behind your statement.
>>25318989
The only ones expressing opinions as facts here has been the vehement anti-comicfags, who are absolutely voracious in wanting to sway others into believing everything they say as the only true way of seeing things.
>>25318994
>This guy doesn't share our opinions, he must be a shill!
>B-but -their- website is an echochamber so -ours- should be as well
>Y-your arguments are triggering me by going against my safespace bubble. EVERYONE stop listening to this OUTSIDER and continue coddling me with like-minded opinions!
You only make it more and more obvious you are beyond saving. Enjoy your little hugbox.
>>25319026
I don't even know who that is, and I didn't address your post because it's the same idea as "he doesn't agree, he must be a shill!"
>>25319028
Congratulations on actually making a thoughtful effort to express your opinions, as long as you are expressing them specifically as opinions regardless how many people agree with them. While I disagree with some of those points and a bit of the rationality behind it, I do respect your opinion and appreciate you engaging me in discussion rather than just dismissing criticism.
>>25319107
nice damage control.
funny how you try to dismiss everyone's opinions by calling them autistic and stupid while you make a complete ass out of yourself
but please tell me why is not bad whan you do it.
thanks for the new free bump, btw!
thanks for the useful links to earlier comments as well, so everyone could easily go and see what's triggering you so hard
>>25319107
>appreciate you engaging me in discussion rather than just dismissing criticism.
>>25318783
>My point being that for all the retards here taking advantage of hiding in anonymity to fulfill self-righteous bitching about shit they don't like, it's ultimately nothing more than that: bitching behind a mask for the sake of it. It has accomplished nothing at all about changing shit with the company. They've grown complacent and comfortable living in their echochamber to the point of wrongfully shunning anybody who doesn't share their opinion.
What a shinning example of being a fucking hypocrite.
>>25319107
>I do respect your opinion and appreciate you engaging me in discussion rather than just dismissing criticism.
Not sure how to respond to this. Because you seemed to be the only one dismissing criticism in the entire thread.
>My point being that for all the retards here taking advantage of hiding in anonymity to fulfill self-righteous bitching about shit they don't like, it's ultimately nothing more than that: bitching behind a mask for the sake of it.
You've been acting no better than the people you act like you're fighting against. And not to mention, it seems like you're new here, because every other criticism of the comics has been talked about to death. There's nothing new to talk about. We all know, and it happens every time a new issue comes out. And you act like no one has a legitimate reason for hating it, and it's just a hive mind.
Seriously, lurk around when the next issue comes out. You'll see it.
But really, I'm convinced you're someone bitter about people "attacking" the gloriously written IDW comics, and is pretending to not care about the comics so people don't call you out for being blind to it.
>I don't even know who that is, and I didn't address your post because it's the same idea as "he doesn't agree, he must be a shill!"
You had no issue responding to shitposts before in this thread, that were pretty much repetitive ideas.
>>25318549
>>25318487
>>25318280
>>25318056
All that contributed nothing to the actual discussion at hand when you could have just ignored them.
>>25319206
>All that contributed nothing to the actual discussion at hand when you could have just ignored them.
It's not autistic when he does it.
People only sucked off the comics early on cause of Twilicorn butthurt.
>>25319274
This
Remember when they announced that Twilicorn would be in the comics and people thought that of all things would bring them down?
>>25319161
Nice subjective reasoning to dismiss criticism you disagree with. Sure is tumblr in here, aren't you glad you have a group of fellow cocksuckers to defend yourself with?
>>25319169
Where's the hypocrisy, retard? I stated objective fact that all the bitching that goes on in these threads did fuck-all to achieve anything significant against IDW. No where did I say you shouldn't spout inane hate toward them like the fucking children you are without giving reasonable criticisms why.
>>25319206
>>25319220
>"it's ok when I do it"
>"I'm entitled to doing it"
>Implying I'm even fucking doing that
You're sure proving my point that you faggots will readily dismiss criticism of your behavior, en masse as well because this "safespace" of yours needs defending.
Meanwhile I've been giving clear concise arguments against -your- behavior, which no one has even fucking addressed because their too busy dismissing them for going against their fucking ideals. I can already predict the circular argument you'll continue to follow ceaselessly to protect your echochamber;
>you're acting exactly like the thing you're arguing against!
Prove me wrong, motherfuckers. Prove these comic threads aren't hijacked by a contingent of comic shitters who enforce their opinions as facts, and shout down anyone who opposes. I can already prove it right by pointing to exactly what's happening right now.
>>25314381
Is wierd that GM Berrow want to write for IDW comics. Is like downgrading herself.
>>25319359
She's on the show, why would she want to go to the comics?
>>25319330
Look at >>25319028
Fact is, that opinion is near unanimous here. It isn't questioned because it's the result of having this same discussion over and over and over again. Issue after issue after issue.
Regardless of small variations on which writers or artists or editors are particularly to blame, it's pretty much agreed on that after the first year the comics have been spiraling downwards in quality. And honestly, that position has been backed up by quite a lot of rational arguments, time and time again.
In fact, the only retort I see coming back from the opposite position saying the comics are still good, is basically "well none of that bothers me and I still like it", using the "it's all subjective anyway" button. Might as well say "well I've got shit taste and that's why".
>>25319549
I think what >>25319330 is trying to say is that we should be more open to hearing a variety of opinions and be less confrontational. I generally don't enjoy the comics and can explain why, people should do that more.
>>25319330
The only reason people are now going to talk about "you're acting like what you're arguing against!" is because that's literally what you are doing. it's predictable because that's exactly what is happening at this second
>Continuous hypocrisy "My opinions are objective facts but not yours!" Proven by:
>I stated objective fact
Objective fact how? There's nothing you can do against IDW. Stop buying their comics? 99% of people here already do that. And plenty of criticisms have already been long established in threads about the subject matter prior. Only a newfag would be unaware of them.
>My point being that for all the retards here taking advantage of hiding in anonymity to fulfill self-righteous bitching about shit they don't like, it's ultimately nothing more than that: bitching behind a mask for the sake of it.
How is that any different than what you're doing? Right now, you yourself are taking complete advantage of that "hiding in anonymity" to throw as many insults as you possibly can against another party, and so far that's all your posts have consisted of. Look at this post.
>Sure is tumblr in here,
> fellow cocksuckers
>retard
>fucking children you are
>you faggots
>this "safespace" of yours needs defending.
>motherfuckers
>Constantly posting smug pony reaction images
All you're doing is mindlessly shouting insults under the guise of an argument with the attempt to make yourself sound like some enlightened individual who is posting among dumb children You've stopped talking about the comics. What are you trying to accomplish? Does it seriously offend you /mlp/ doesn't like the comics? What is your endgame here?
Because I'll give my prediction. Your next post will have another smug pony reaction image, followed by more uses of "faggot" and "retard" probably because you've never said those words in real life before, and again say people aren't giving real criticisms, when we've stopped talking about comics thanks to you.
>>25319589
> people should do that more.
Except as >>25319206 said, that literally is done to death here. Look when the next storytime goes up. People are kind of getting tired of saying the same thing over and over, especially when it's very clear IDW doesn't want to listen. It'd be even worse of an echochamber if we're literally repeating the same reasons we hate IDW over and over. People get tired of it. Because really, who here hasn't given their criticisms on IDW in the storytime threads whenever they go up?
>>25315311
>incitatus
>the name of the mad emperor caligula's horse turned into a senate and consul
>>25315311
>He loved himself more than he loved his ponies?! He deserved what he got, didn't he, Rarity?!
Let me guess. The next page has some joke about Rarity being a self-centered bitch and similar to that guy, right?
They really make Rarity such a horrible character in the comics. She's rarely written well in IDW.
>>25319638
People will stop saying criticisms when it stops happening. Some people will get bored and move on, but some will stay and in vain, be repeatedly let down. Then express criticism.
If the thing you're criticizing keeps happening, then there's no issue.
>>25319549
>Fact is, that opinion is near unanimous here.
Bandwagon argument, implying majority opinion makes it objective fact.
>it's pretty much agreed on
And anyone who doesn't agree is disregarded, I presume.
>that position has been backed up by quite a lot of rational arguments
I'd go so far as to claim subjective reasoning, especially if the position is being posited as objective fact. Now if it was just to say "this many people didn't like these comics" with those rational arguments to back -that- up, I wouldn't disagree.
>Might as well say "well I've got shit taste and that's why"
Dismissive statement: Fucking check. This is why conversing with you pieces of shit ultimately isn't worth it. You act like cunts and besmirch and talk down to people you disagree with.
>>25319589
This nigga fucking gets it. You assholes refuse to allow any discussion that goes against your majority opinion and turn these threads into a fucking circlejerking echochamber. There is no rationality behind it, you just want a 4chan version of a hugbox.
>>25319607
I never said my opinions are objective facts. What I said was the objective fact that I stated was that circlejerking over hating IDW does little to hurt their company, which is true.
But what, the insults are hurting your feelings? This is 4chan, right? It shouldn't faze you. But for the sake of your feelings I'll stop using harsh language and insults. Hell, if you want I can take off that whole "anonymous" mask and start namefagging, but no one is going to like that and it'll just give them more reason to dismiss my posts.
Ok, let's address your points calmly and rationally:
(in the next post, because character limit)
>>25319638
>People are kind of getting tired of saying the same thing over and over
Then shut up and fuck off, mate. Nobody enjoys your gay little exegesis of dumb little comics for kids.
>but they don't respect my headcanon or 4chan internet sensibilities!
Nobody cares. At all.
>>25319763
It's not about hurt feelings, but you're just acting incredibly immature, like a child who discovered 4chan for the first time and wants to take complete advantage of calling everyone retarded and a faggot, just because you can. Quite frankly, it's just stupid and hard to take seriously. Similar to TYPING EVERYTHING IN CAPS LOCK SO YOU LOOK ANGRY! It's makes you look like a joke.
>you are a shit
>no u
>no u
>no u
I love this board
>>25314296
I remember thinking the comics would have actual, serious editing.
Curnow's quality control is terrible.
>>25314602
Fosgitt desperately needs to be told that MLP is not Looney Tunes, considering Celestia is doing more two-hooved poses than Derpibooru's entire collection of Lyra fanart. It's another symptom of an editor that has no restraints on his writers/artists.
>>25319763
>>Fact is, that opinion is near unanimous here.
>Bandwagon argument, implying majority opinion makes it objective fact.
>
>>it's pretty much agreed on
>And anyone who doesn't agree is disregarded, I presume.
>
>>that position has been backed up by quite a lot of rational arguments
>I'd go so far as to claim subjective reasoning, especially if the position is being posited as objective fact. Now if it was just to say "this many people didn't like these comics" with those rational arguments to back -that- up, I wouldn't disagree.
>
>>Might as well say "well I've got shit taste and that's why"
>Dismissive statement: Fucking check. This is why conversing with you pieces of shit ultimately isn't worth it. You act like cunts and besmirch and talk down to people you disagree with.
Bravo. Meanwhile I still haven't heard any legitimate argumetns as to why the comics are still good / aren't bad or genuine rebuttals of the oposite camp's arguments.
Some folks go on and on about how people here are just "haters" but when we actually explain why we hate it we get no responses.
>>25319788
>>but they don't respect my headcanon or 4chan internet sensibilities!
You have no idea what's wrong with the comics, do you? Really, how new are you? Have you picked up a book?
>Nobody enjoys your gay little exegesis of dumb little comics for kids.
This is a common complaint. Not really rational. People are allowed to complain and saying "It's for kids so it's okay to be dumb" implies that kids can just be stupid.
Now, it doesn't have to be held to the same standards as Watchmen, but that doesn't mean you can ignore stuff like >>25319008
>>25319734
Holy shit, I wish I could say that you were wrong but damn.
>>25319852
Their argument is that they don't like how their waifus are written and it honestly upsets them to see writers having fun.
>>25319855
Nobody cares.
>>25319922
that luna's guard face tho
>>25319922
Holy shit. I never even read or seen that issue before. But damn, their jokes are just THAT predictable.
Poor Rarity. Like I said, IDW really makes her out to be such a bitch. As if they just thought she was nothing more than the cardboard cutout "pretty girl character".
>>25319607
>How is that any different than what you're doing?
The criticism I've put forth has been toward the dismissal and disregard of opposing opinion. I pointed out the flaws as being
>bandwagoning (that others feel the same way, therefore the hate is objectively correct)
>tu quo quo (that other websites offer a "positive echochamber", therefore this forum of discussion -has- to be a negativity echochamber to counterbalance)
>Argument of nature (that this is just how 4chan is, so might as well let it be)
These are, of course, used as reasoning to dismiss any positive remarks made or differences in opinions and is detrimental to open discussion. There is no rationality for it beyond making this an echochamber to hate the comics or IDW, I'm merely arguing for the sake of having reasonable thoughtful discussion that doesn't just get disregarded because people don't like the opinion. And before you say I'm arguing against negative opinion, no I am not. I am arguing against enforced standards of participation, that this should be an environment for -equal- discussion.
>You've stopped talking about the comics
Coincidentally, my argument was never even about the comics to begin with, but rather the caustic environment that has been fostered within their threads.
>>25319792
I'm terribly sorry if I hurt your feelings. Do feel free to dismiss my posts if they harm you emotionally so. :^(
Oh wait, you already are. Carry on then.
>>25319849
http://i.4cdn.org/mlp/1446576395107.png
>>25319852
>Bravo. Meanwhile I still haven't heard any legitimate argumetns as to why the comics are still good / aren't bad or genuine rebuttals of the oposite camp's arguments.
Maybe because there IS no opposite camp since these threads turned into an echochamber, but I digress; I was never here to argue whether the comics are good or bad, only that just as people are free to post criticim others should be just as free to post positive remarks without having to fear being shouted out.
>>25319960
>Nobody cares.
Aren't you the one asking for fucking criticisms so this isn't an echochamber? Yet when you get them, you say there not valid? You are one confusing individual.
Guess I can say this here too for those that are going to be up waiting for the storytime tonight.
I may be an hour or two late posting the comic since I have more people than usual, 8 altogether so far, over to play board games this week. I'm going to try and push one that's shorter so the delay isn't as long, but I apologize for any wait nonetheless.
>>25319991
Obviously not. I'm here solely to try to impress upon you how much of an insufferable prat you are.
>>25315890
That's stepping over the line. The first arc was a fun read, ditto the Big Mac slice-of-life arc.
The defining common theme to all of IDW's MLP work has been inconsistency. If Marvel or DC had a similar title, they'd have tossed the editor out a fifth-story window as far as his employment was concerned sometime around the end of the first year.
>>25319852
While I actually hate the comics, I agree. This is getting pathetic. I don't know what the fuck is ever going to please this faggot, maybe he does work for IDW or something and is upset about the general opinion. And so I guess I'll just try my best to present possible good things about the comic run. To prove that other guy wrong that this isn't some just evil negative echochamber. And to voice some actual points that "haters" can counter to prove it's not just what people have to believe around here.
The comics do present some stories that will never be presented in the show. "Evil mirror" worlds, return of certain villains that would be unlikely to return, character interactions that are unlikely to be seen on the show. Especially evident with the Friends Forever comic line.
Another positive thing would be that it provides new artists and interpretation of the characters. Similar to fanfiction and fanart, it just provides something that each writer could experiment with for the characters. So we get something new.But if you ask me, I disagree with that, they shouldn't be using the characters as their playground.
That's honestly all I can think of.
>>25319788
>Nobody enjoys your gay little exegesis of dumb little comics for kids.
>>25320065
>But if you ask me, I disagree with that, they shouldn't be using the characters as their playground.
Why not? That's how we got FiM in the first place.
>>25320086
You're making my point for me. This is the sorta sad, weird shit that belongs on backwater forums from a decade ago. This is Transformers fan shit. This is Archie Sonic fan shit.
This shit is too pathetic for 4chan.
>>25320065
You misinterpret my intentions, I'm not saying there -has- to be positives given alongside negatives. I've only been pointing out that anytime somebody voices an opinion that the majority are against they get told to leave with meme responses like "go back to IDWforums" or "go back to RoundStable", or their input is outright devalued with "oh hello Bobby" or "hello Ted" or "hello [irrelevant fan from another forum]"I'm also instigating that guy who autistically dumps screencaps and page edits like barneyfag, but that's just a fun little aside because I already know he's too far gone to change.Y'know, the funny thing is I haven't even been reading the comics. I just happen to value free and open discussion and a quality environment for that, and a self-gratifying echochamber happens to go against those ideals.
>>25320123
Not to me, but you did bring up Transformers. Let's talk about that for a second, I feel that's a good comparison here. In IDW's Transformers, while being G1 Transformers, they play around with the characters however they feel like. Megatron's an Autobot now, many Autobots are morally questionable, Decepticons aren't all total dicks, and so on. Now, what I think is good there is it's it's own established little thing. It's it's own "universe". There it makes more sense for them to play with the characters.
With MLP however, (and I say this knowing full well it isn't canon to the series) they make numerous references to the cartoon itself. In addition to it's own inconsistencies here and there, it also brings into question things with the show. It also is what you can start calling out of character. Granted, the term is in fact widely overused. But there are cases in the comic where it happens. Take Rarity in the Cakes comic. The whole idea of Rarity with that "We've got to have more money!" attitude, and completely forcing things on to customers without taking what they'd want into account, that really doesn't run parallel with what Rarity's done in the show. She may put her own spin on things, but she has been proven to put what others want into her products. So I think that's a fair case of calling OOC.
If the comics tried not to connect themselves to the show the ways they do, those kind of complaints wouldn't be as heavy. Because then maybe the comics wouldn't be judged the way fanfiction is, and how people can give similar complaints. Maybe that's another issue, the comics are kind of being held at the same standards as fanfiction at this point. Maybe if it were more established as a seperate "universe", that would make it more akin to Transformers. You couldn't pull the OOC card, it's something differently established. There's no point wasting time connecting to the show.
But I think you might be right. This isn't worth much time talking over.
>>25320341
>Not to me, but you did bring up Transformers. Let's talk about that for a second,
I feel it's only polite to inform you that I stopped reading your post right here.
>>25320298
You know what? I still think you're a faggot, but I see your point.
And this was a bit more investing than the typical "IDW stinks" "Yeah, it does."
>>25319968
>it's a cartoon show
By those standards, we should just import a few Transformers and liven things up a bit.
Worldbuilding takes some level of internal logic. Celestia literally walking around in a comic most of the time like she was an anthro alicorn eats away at that.
>>25315311
>Celestia being badass
>Celestia actually having a semblance of personality
You've got to at least give the comics that.
>>25320419
Not after "Reflections" I can't.
>>25319922
Don't worry, they also make Dash out to be an actual asshole EVERY TIME.
>>25319734
>>25319922
>>25321248
they were bullied in school, weren't they?
>>25314296
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEIR HEADS?!
>>25318254
Much of the comic staff doesn't even give a shit about the show, and the staff members who do get butthurt about criticism and use the comics as a way to lash out at the fanbase.
I can't wait for this comic
>>25321379
Wouldn't surprise me. It's almost as if they got Rarity and Rainbow's character info from "Worst Pony" threads. In fact, it's almost as if they got all character info from those, Rarity and Rainbow just suffer the most.
>>25321379
>>25322366
Cook said Rarity reminded her of girls in school and Rainbow Dash of a Jughead antagonist. So not a big surprise.
>>25322289
Saved.
>>25322390
Cook isn't the only one who makes Rarity out to be one of those stereotypical materialistic girls. You have that entire "town fight" 2-parter, which was all instigated by Rarity. Then the Cakes issue where she was obsessed with making money. It's really as if none of the writers have seen her before.
>>25322548
What did you expect? I've always explained the comics to people as "fanfiction written by people who hate the show."
>>25319291
Oh God, now I remember the butthurt posters on IDW's forums when that happened.
>>25322578
"fanfiction written by people who hate the characters"
ftfy
>>25322632
IDW's forums are a fucking ghost town. Sprite banned anyone who wanted to actually discuss things because five posts a week was too much for him or something.
>>25322662
Completely alienating the consumers. Good show.
>>25322726
Sprite literally did it >for free.
He wasn't even an IDW employee, but he censored any discussion about the comics that was critical and refused to let people talk about authors.
>>25322761
I can understand censoring the authors under IDW's orders but censoring discussion? I take it everyone just went to EQD and decided to just discuss it there. It's circlejerky but far less deletion-happy compared to the official forums.
