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Always got to have at least one jackass in the squadron who uses a sword and not a gun, right? Do the Muv-Luv writers actually seriously believe that sword+knife is better equipment for giant robots than gun+knife anything other than situationally, do the characters argue this to be the case in the story?
Instead of providing the actual in-universe explanation as given in UL/ALT, I shall try to present an acceptable alternative argument:
Someone has to carry the specialist armaments. Think of the guy carrying the SAW in a fireteam, or the guy packing the rocket launcher. Clearly those weapons aren't meant to be used to solve every problem you face, they're roleplayers for an ever-changing situation.
>Do the Muv-Luv writers actually seriously believe that sword+knife is better equipment for giant robots than gun+knife anything other than situationally
No
>uses a sword and not a gun
Why not both
The sword isn't even standard equipment for that thing anyways, they have to get them off the Chinese since only Asians and silly European nobles think they're a good idea.
>>13647013
As mentioned by Theodore in the LN, Anette is one pilot out of seven in a squadron out of several hundred dozen squadrons in all of the NVA who may or may not even have their own -77 sword equipment per squadron which has been acknowledged in-story as being equipment only ever imported in small numbers, not widely used, and bound for phase-out some day or another amongst the NVA.
She is also fairly capable at using it the same way Theodore is a "knife expert" - though, as if the finer uses of parry, reversal, and blocking in a knife fight are of any use when your opponent is a fucking 16-meter tall battering ram capable of bringing down your TSF through your "knife-block" in one hit if allowed to.
Seems odd to continually harp on this (this is not the first time I'm seeing this post about SM's PV) when Anette is presented as the single odd case allowed for reasons as detailed by >>13647029.
>>13647185
>as if the finer uses of parry, reversal, and blocking in a knife fight are of any use when your opponent is a fucking 16-meter tall battering ram capable of bringing down your TSF through your "knife-block" in one hit if allowed to.
I assumed the knives are mostly used for prying little red fuckers off your squadmates, since trying to shoot them off would probably just end up with shooting your buddy in the face. Dunno why they don't put bayonets on the guns.
>>13647230
gun bayonets are actually kinda cumbersome all things considered.
Good for reaching out and poking things without firing off your rooty tooty point and shooty but for when you want finesse from your bladed tool you'd want a knife.
>>13647230
>>13647013
>do the characters argue this to be the case in the story?
Aside from the specifics stated in Schwarzesmarken, it's a point brought up on a few occasions in the original trilogy. In Unlimited, Meiya, who is skilled with the sword and the resident YAMATO DAMASHI, still outright states that guns are better in most cases.
However, particularly for nations that lie close to or border BETA-held territory, TSFs will often have to be deployed in positions within close proximity to BETA (remembering that faster BETA classes can travel up to 170 or more kilometers per hour and are in packs of several tens of thousand strong) where supply lines can be disrupted easily. In such a case, a melee weapon can quite useful.
A lack of ammo is actually quite a persistent problem in this world, where most of the nations were chomped on back in the 1980s. You have to remember that, apart from TSF-specific tech, prosthetics, and some Alternative Project tech, the setting of Muv-Luv is significantly LESS advanced than real world 2001.
>>13647282
Experimental, by all accounts it never panned out. Even the Shiranui Phase 3 used standard Type-87s.
Which is funny, you'd think the Marines would be all over a non-stealthed version of this for their Super Hornets. It still can't hard slash worth a damn, but being able to poke Tanks and, if you're lucky, Grapplers, to death without having to draw an extra weapon would still be an improvement.
>>13647230
Theodore believes in equal opportunity for all BETA that pass his knife.
They all have knives, their main melee apart from Anette is the shield, and they all have to drop their guns to go for a knife unless they've already lost the shield, so I don't see why Anette maining the sword is much of an issue at all especially when it can chop through a Grappler's armored claw in one swing, something that's definitely not accomplish-able with a knife which clearly has shorter range than a Grappler's claw.
Melee is presented as a very play-by-ear action across the series, you don't see any characters moving in formation for melee like how Irisdina calls out fire formations with guns or how Michiru orders her units into specific formations. Makes sense for them to go with whatever they're most comfortable with if they're going to be part of the squadron's delaying team anyways.
>>13647328
Unless the material a sword is made out of is significantly more durable than the armor of a TSF, I'd still argue that a sword won't kill as many BETA before breaking or bending than a gun (which takes up the same size equipment slot as sword) +spare mags will kill before you're out.
>>13647185
>though, as if the finer uses of parry, reversal, and blocking in a knife fight are of any use when your opponent is a fucking 16-meter tall battering ram capable of bringing down your TSF through your "knife-block" in one hit if allowed to
Pretty sure he wouldn't try to fight a TSF on foot; he's not Master Asia (or Graf).
>>13647230
>prying little red fuckers off your squadmates
TSFs are far more valuable than their pilots, especially as the war wore on. One of the primary reasons the pilot suits use that advanced form-fitting sealing system is that it's nearly one-size-fits all, and they're expected to be recovered and re-used after a previous pilot's demise.
One of the first chapters in Schwarzesmarken deals with the recovery of a TSF whose pilot had been terminally injured.
>>13647336
>sword won't kill as many BETA
In the VN melee weapons are never used with the same purpose as ranged. When facing BETA their primary purpose is to either A) clear a path that is obstructed by one of the larger BETA (a Destroyer from the rear or perhaps a Grappler), which would require a ton of ammo to incapacitate, or B) as a back-up option once ammo has run out.
And importantly, only specific squad members are issued a melee weapon: those that are designated to break BETA formations that are protecting the Laser-classes so that ranged units have better firing angles on them.
>>13647336
TSFs generally don't carry an enormous amount of ammo because that's not their mission parameter (embedded emplacements, mobile rocket launchers, tanks, nearby surface combatant ships and other conventional forces take care of that). TSFs are there to exploit gaps in enemy lines, take positions quickly, and destroy high priority targets, such as Lasers, so they're limited on ammo to begin with.
>>13647357
>TSFs are far more valuable than their pilots
See I remember this being the exact fucking opposite elsewhere; the pilot is the most important element with TSFs being virtually a dime a dozen.
>>13647013
>relying on ammo
>>13647353
Nice try for making me smile.
Still needs more to go to be able to block Lasers, though.
>>13647381
>>13647357
Pilots are more valuable than their TSFs. They mention that they have more fighters than pilots to operate them.
>>13647547
I thought it was the other way around in SM, considering they're having serious shortage of TSFs.
>>13647552
One of those statements is something like a billion or two casualties later.
>>13647547
This is in the 1990s/2000s when 30 years of repeated losses is taking its toll on human replacements. They're finally hitting that brick wall against a swarm-type opponent where the incubation, creation, and maturation period of a single BETA is measured in months at most, is entering the final crunch against the humans.
>>13647552
This is in the 1970s/early 1980s when they're scrambling to outfit the nations with the most needs with TSFs to counter the BETA and put laserjagd into effect. Production is barely catching up because it's not until the mid-1980s and 1990s where battleships were able to add their power into the mix on the defense lines; prior to that it was the land forces taking the brunt of the invasion, TSFs amongst them.
>>13647570
>>13647599
Surely pilot training is more resource intensive building a fighter? Even in real life where we haven't taken a billion casualties this is the case.
>>13647659
The majority of nations were on a rapid training rearmament program at the start of 1974. So they ended up having a glut of pilots at the start while TSF production was still playing catchup. Production was also slow during the adaptation of industries from, say, making fighter parts to making TSF parts.
Real world pilot training is only resource-intensive in that you dying on a training flight is bad PR for the public and they waste a perfectly good machine for nothing. Every frontline nation has the same pattern of proper training at the start, then accelerated training when the losses mount whereby side tests and "safe for active duty" evaluations are cut out for the purpose of training in basic tactics in order to meet the grinder quota, and finally at the end where if you're not a caveman and can push joysticks, you're ready to go. Of course, by then there are also very few qualified meatbags you can put in the TSF. Even broken TSFs can be scraped together to make a working one. But broken people can't be scraped together to make a functioning person.
It's all being taken out of context with those previous simple one-liner statements. Irisdina says to retrieve Inghild's TSF, but it was a spur of the moment decision to jolt Anette into action and prevent Gretel from biting a stubborn Theodore's head off - making a seemingly dumb decision to get the squadron moving -now-, and out of the way of the incoming fighter-bomber/artillery shelling waves. As well, the 666th are stationed at the most frontline of frontline bases short of camping in the trenches themselves; of course they're can salvage the TSF for future uses - especially when they already had accomplished their mission and the immediate threat had been sated. Still, that doesn't mean that they have anywhere near the number of pilots they'd like to have, nor does it mean that the explicit policy of those times were to effect salvage of downed TSFs at any cost. Simply a matter of situation.
Is that DMM game still not playable?
TACHI AGARE KEDAKAKU MAE SADAME WO UKETA SENSHI YO!
>>13648160
GOING GOING HIKARI E
>>13648388
Fuck the exec that forced this. Then again I shudder to think about TE with even less budget.
>>13648431
>>13648388
Koda has children.
I want to see their faces when they grow up and see that music video with bad CG of their mom shaking her crotch in the camera like a nigger stripper.
>>13648483
>>13648431
It's stupid in a dumb and endearing way, much like the TE anime as a whole.
>>13648486
No. No it's not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYYCdIlUz1w
>>13648515
Yes. Yes it is.
>>13647013
That jackass at least survives wbole everyone else got fucked
アイリスディーナやベアトリクスの若き頃を描く外伝小説『隻影のベルンハルト』の第6話を掲載! 東ドイツが生き残るには、戦術機を使って光線級BETAへの強襲を行うプランしかない、という結論に行きつくユルゲン。そして第四〇戦術機実験集団の主席幕僚となった彼は戦術機運用についての公聴会でそのプランについて提言することを決意するのだった――。
Something...something...Jurgen is awesome...something...something...
>>13648667
These summaries always end up hyping the Jurgmeister. I'm not expecting Theo levels of fucked up, but he's coming off as a Sue (then again, Iris does too until you actually see her in action). Guess I'll need to read the actual story to see his flaws / trip-ups.
>>13647013
b-but muh melee!
>>13648717
One thing that's always annoyed me about the Sue/Stu argument is that people seem to think that building characters is a balancing act. For every positive there should be an equal and opposite negative. Talented, charismatic people have existed throughout history. Apart from Jürgen, both Beatrix and Iris have great leadership abilities, and are very good pilots, but you wouldn't call them Mary Sues for that. Also, the young age thing that people bring up would be odd if this wasn't Muv-Luv. Beatrix, for instances, was heading up an entire stasi bust operations when she was just 19 (see Gretel's side story). By the time she was 22, she had a whole TSF battalion of hand-picked elites in state-of-the-art machinery under her thumb.
>>13648431
>Fuck the exec that forced this
I'd argue that the executives were being pretty permissive in allowing them to get Minami Kuribayashi for ED1 and OP2.
How were Zone of the Enders and Soukou no Strain? Trying to get an idea of what we can expect from the Schwarz director as compared to the TE director, at least this guy has done mecha before.
>>13648879
And all the big name voice actors. You can tell that as a whole SM's voice cast are bringing much less experience to the table than TE's.
>>13648886
The ZoE animes were generally good, though there were a couple. I hear the one with Viola's backstory was OK (that was Idolo, right?) but ZoE: Dolores was fantastic.
>>13648929
What the fuck is the context of that pic anyway, I'm not sure if II should laugh or cry
>>13648946
mecha maid trap
>>13648946
Dolores is the main mech of that anime, and like Jehuty (the main mech in the videogames), her AI is sentient. However, her AI is also a little girl rather than an emotionless war machine, and the running joke throughout the series is that she's much more interested in frilly dresses and cute things than fighting. That pic is from one of her fantasy sequences where she thinks about what she'd like to be (a waitress, in this case).
>>13648946
I haven't reached that particular moment yet, but Dolores is basically just a teenage girl in a giant mecha body. She's probably fantasizing again. At least this time she's not imagining herself as human.
>>13648963
>>13648978
Now I get why Kojima hates anime.
>>13648946
>>13648963
>>13648978
Hint: Dolores isthe name of the deceased wife of the first Orbital Frame pilot.
>>13648997
>tfw Kojima himself wants to collab with Del Toro on anime projects
If that's not poetry, I don't know what is.
>>13648886
Strain is great for what it was - a short self-contained fun* sci-fi story
*okay, maybe not quite "fun" but more "Jesus FUCK why can't the main character ever catch a break?!"
>>13648963
That's actually rather sentimental.
>>13648431
That executive was the creator of the franchise.
The song was also fine, the problem was that useless Inagaki not actually putting any effort into the OP animation because he was busy fucking up every episode past 2.
>>13648483
The music video wasn't nearly as bad as the Kouhaku performance.
>>13649583
>Implying the 2 first episodes weren't one of the most fucked anime episodes ever
>>13648771
>both Beatrix and Iris have great leadership abilities, and are very good pilots, but you wouldn't call them Mary Sues for that
They also have very obvious flaws that are meaningful and are central parts of their characters, so I imagine they're distinguished from Jurgen in that respect.
>>13648667
Getting placed in a key position in East Germany's newly formed, elite, cutting edge TSF battalion (would be hilarious if they turned out to be/become the Werewolves) doesn't do much to abate the cries of Stu that he's been getting.
>>13649603
I don't think he's a Stu, we just haven't gotten the books yet. Summaries do an OK job of portraying plot, but are piss poor for actually showing characters. I'm pretty sure that he'll have some pretty big flaws (for instances, inserting himself into situations way above his level / misgauging his skill/ his idealism / being easily deceived by others; pretty much the opposite of Theo's paranoia, pessimism, and cynicism). The reason why the 2channers all seem to prefer him over Theo isn't because he's awesome sauce, but because he's very likable and proactive (even if it causes him and others trouble).
>>13649603
Iris has flaws? I thought she was perfect.
>>13648946
>not wanting to hold hands with the kawaii meidu
>>13649704
Her flaws makes her perfect
>>13648717
>>13649603
>>13649687
>pilots red mech
>dates grils much younger than him
>GF turns into main villain in sequel
>awesome pilot skills
>plays politics
>charismatic
>rebellious nature
>idealistic
>younger sister is sequel MC's main love interest
>implying Jurgen isn't Muv-Luv's version of this guy
>>13649740
Isn't he from Xenosaga?
>>13649744
>>13649721
That's not how it works
>>13649740
Shit man, the resemblance is uncanny. He probably would've been a big supporter of Alternate V too had he survived.
>>13649704
>>13649721
Even though she's always making second place to Iris, Beato will always be number one in my book.
>>13649768
He'd have a hell of a time convincing Beatrix to go along with it. She has a very similar attitude/outlook to Yuuko after all, so she'd be very much pro-Alt IV.
>Balalaika
But it's NATO name is the Fishbed
What the hell kouki
>>13649921
>Even though she's always making second place to Iris, Beato will always be number one in my book.
That's what I thought before playing the VN
>>13650090
>But it's NATO name is the Fishbed
and? Russian don't gave a shit about NATO name, and was nicknamed Balalaika becouse the resemblance with the istrument, read properly your fucking wiki
>>13650101
As a mech it doesn't really.
>>13650101
And you should read properly your fucking English grammar.
>>13650090
Beato's pretty shit tbqh. Shows up for two short scenes but somehow manages to be an even bigger cunt than every other character in the cast combined. Really doesn't have anything else to her character, either. Even Annete has more going for her just going off of the first VN.
You could argue that the second VN will flesh her out, but everything I read about her makes it sound like this "fleshing out" will only show her to be even more of a pile of human excrement. Bitch is like a genderswapped Reinhard Heydrich if the spoilers are anything to go off of.
I used to consider her upper mid-tier, until I played the VN and started researching. Now, out of the whole cast, she's the one I hate the most. Hell, I even like Axmann better than her. At least he has a sort of slimy suaveness to him.
>>13649687
>would be hilarious if they turned out to be/become the Werwölfe
FTFY
>>13650187
I don't see Beatrix's appeal beyond fap-bait, honestly. Iris, Katia, and Lise all have better personalities than her, and aren't too bad looking themselves. Sylwia's about as hot too, and isn't a sociopath. It takes some real skill to have the sexiest and best design, but still be the most repulsive gril by a wide margineven more than the one who got gangraped daily for a year. She's going to make choosing Lise's route real difficult for me. Hopefully, I'll still be able topenetrateher and get Lise. All I can sat is there's going to be alot of angry and heartbroken anons when Martyrs and the anime show what she's like to the EOP.
>>13650090
>But it's NATO name is the Fishbed
Why would the NVA be using a NATO reporting name?
>>13648717
Who the hell is that
>>13650325
Reverse image search him.
>>13650318
They shouldn't, it just bother me when I see it outside of the story
>>13650328
thats kind of depressing, i just thought it was some guy who coincidentally had similar clothes to the maburabu uniform
>>13650300
Well, a lot of anons are already waking up to who Beato is. I haven't seen one Beatrixfag who hasn't swapped to another girl after playing the VN.
Beato's not waifu material. She was never meant to be lovable or likable. She's absolutely horrible and completely unsympathetic. She's meant to be a hatesink like Nui from KLK; someone whose pain and death the audience should look forward too.Also, Iris best but Lise second best
>>13648886
All I remember from Strain was the MCs PTSD
>>13649120
This desu,Strain was pure suffering for her
and apparently in the endingshe's walking on a beach stranded 100 years in the future due to hyperspace time distortion or something like thatIt's all good though since she gets rescued...I think
>>13650300
>that spoiler
why is there so much suffering in the muv luv series?
>>13650440
Because aliums killing everything and humanity can't get their shit together.
SM is extra bad because they're right on the forefront. You also have the two of the worst shitstains imaginable running around making things infinitely worse.
![[Anime-Legion]_Akane_Maniax_03_[754422AC].avi_snapshot_27.40_[2013.04.09_02.22.39].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7UfZQPD.jpg "[Anime-Legion]_Akane_Maniax_03_[754422AC].avi_snapshot_27.40_[2013.04.09_02.22.39].jpg")
>>13648886
>worrying about that shit
Pls give Gretel Gekijou
>>13650462
>beato
Grade A dick-suckin' lips.
>>13648886
I haven't watched ZOE but people say it was really good.
Soukou no Strain was really good and far underrated. And I guess it's kind of similar to SM in how the MC pines for their long-lost presumed-dead sibling for the whole thing only for it to turn out that the sibling is their nemesis and they're forced to kill them.
>>13650480
She confuses my boner. I want to really, really hurt/kill her, badly, but I can't help but admit she's one of the sexiest 2D girls ever.
Guess this is what serial killers feel like.
>>13650480
I hope she chokes on it.
>>13649740
JURGEN IS A CHAR!?
>>13650508
>read that as Jurgen is a CHAIR
He hasn't put on the mask yet.
Also, the red TSF thing is just an unconfirmed rumor (though it would add a ton of meaning to why Beato was so adamant in having her MiG-27 painted red).
>>13650500deepthroat doujins when
>>13650564
I can see Lise, Katia, and Iris getting most of the doujins (Iris already has two). As for Beatrix, unlikely. Japanese don't like complete monsters, so no doujins for her.
>>13650545
Why the fuck would Jurgen go out with Beatrix anyways? She'd probably be a horrible girlfriend, and someone with Jurg's station/charisma would probably be drowning in much better pussy anyways. Well, he'll learn his lesson when his budding sociopath girlfriend inevitably forces Iris to betray him.
>>13650594
because he has god tier taste just like kouki.
>>13650300
>daily for a year
WAT
>>13650628
Other than her sexiness, what positives does Beatrix have? I've heard a whole lot of why Beatrix is terrible, but I haven't heard anything other than she's so fucking hot to counter those claims. Sounds to me like she's one night stand material at best (and you'll likely end up in a Stasi T&I room afterwards anyways).
>>13650643Look up Lise.
I'm confused, I keep on hearing all these conflicting opinions on why Beatrix hates Iris. Is it mostly just her being petty over "Iris existing and being better at being a pilot" or is it over the whole Jürgen shit?
>>13650663
From what i know she is classic tsundere in BiS, can cook has a playful/trolling side here dere side is cute. Is a perfect 10. what is there not for Jürgen to like? She is not bad in BiS where she is dating Jürgen. She changed after Jürgen died. Iris possibly had something to do with that we just dont know yet we have to wait for BiS to finish.
>>13650735
Doesn't seem to be much love lost between Beato and Jurgen in SM:
>By providing information on her treasonous older brother, she showed her loyalty to the state—or did she? Perhaps it’s necessary to consider the betrayal of her brother, and her loyalty to the State, as two separate things, thought Beatrix.
No passion really in the above. There's even a bit of negativity directed towards Jurgen.
Like others have said, Beatrix is likely the one who got Jurgen killed and then pinned the blame on Iris. Probably because she's a petty, power hungry gloryhound and all around shit person. She's as bad as Axmann imo.
>>13650760
You don't learn to be Beatrix's level of evil, you kinda have to born "off;" kinda like sociopaths can be raised in perfectly good families but still torture/kill animals and grow up to be serial killers.
ゲームでもシュタージほぼカットだし1クールでも余裕だべベアトリクスルート作れよ!
>>13650760
>tsundere
Beatrix a shit confirmed.
>>13648997
muh srs business
>>13650775
So god-tier baby making genes wasted on a terrible person. That's pretty depressing. I suppose her being best girl in BiS will turn out to be an act and Iris will be the blameless victim in everything. Man, I really hate SM sometimes.
>>13650663
Oh, I thought you meant pic was related.
>>13651018Sylwia was gangraped too. Sylwia's BFF sold her out to save herself from the deserters. Let's just say Sylwia was much more effective than Beato was at burying her former friend
>>13651025
I know all that; that's why the statement threw me off.
Reposting this here from last thread.
>>13650628
>kouki's favorite
That was just shit made up by some Beatrixfags. Last thread showed that there's an apologist whose been putting out false info to make Beatrix look better. Of course, many anons bought into it because she's hot and they want to believe she's something more than Stalin-tier evil. I can quote Japanese opinions to back me up too (http://hitorijojo.doorblog.jp/archives/37332159.html):
彼女は今まで終始裏の読めない恐ろしい女ってイメージでしたが、最終巻では結構おっちょこちょいな一面が見られました。
彼女とアイリスとの間に何があったのかは結局分かりませんでしたが、アイリスの兄の恋人とかその辺でしょうか。
最後ベアトリクスとアクスマンが言っていた「東西ドイツの統合はどの国も望んでいない」という話は間違いなく真理を突いていたと思います。国家レベルで真の協力関係を築く事なんて夢のまた夢だなんて事、マブラヴ関連作品やってたら痛いほど分かりますし。
しかしだからといってベアトリクスの目指した全体主義による方法を是認する事はできません。
オルタでオルタネイティヴ5を強行しちゃうのと一緒です。
夢物語の様であってもとりあえず努力する事って大事ですよね。
There, guy says that Beatrix is an absolutely horrible woman who only got worse as the books went on.
Are you not convinced?
>>13651016
What'd'ya expect. I've pointed out multiple times why Beatrix is terrible. There is absolutely nothing redeeming about her. She isn't complex; there are no deeper motivation or past transgression to justify her behavior. She's a petty and jealous little cunt who hates Iris because she takes a shit all over her by "just existing." So she sets out to ruin Iris for it. I doubt Iris has ever really done anything to Beatrix that wasn't a reaction to some new psyco shit Beatrix was trying to pull on her. Face it, she's a bad person who never should've been born.
>>13651098
Plebs don't know the superiority of the Claptor.
>>13651102
>stalin
>evil
>>13651131
>Stalin
>not evil
I wanted to use Hitler originally, as the stasi are established as using concentration camps in chapter 4 for dissenters/undesirables (which, knowing Beatrix, she'd probably get her kicks from tormenting and murdering the inmates), but I thought that was too cliche.
>>13651147
Stalin had gulags.
>>13651335
And those were established even before Hitler's did. Then again brits had concentration camps even before Stalin.
>fighter planes in CAPTCHA
Well Stalin was a paranoid bastard, that killed way more people than Hitler, so...
>>13651351
There isn't actually any evidence that he killed anywhere near as many people as Hitler. Lolocaust alone is 11 million but Stalin's purges and shit is accepted to be around 1 million. Russian civil war and the Great patriotic war are usually added up to his kill count.
>>13651375
They also add all the Ukrainians he killed with his agricultural and economic sabotage too.
>>13651378
>>13651375
The Holodomor is not conclusively determiend to be deliberate, but there are a lot of signs that suggest that it was. That killed millions in the Ukrainian SSR.
>>13647013
Do the Muv-Luv writers actually seriously believe that gun+knife is better equipment for giant robots than tactical nuclear warhead, do the characters argue this to be the case in the story?
>>13651581
I mean, they pretty much have one in the S-11. It's a last resort as TSF pilots aren't suicide bombers (usually).
>>13651581
> tactical nuclear warhead
not like they have infinite supply of these, more they got s-11
>>13651581
You don't want to be like Canada do you ?
>>13651581
They already tried nukes before and it wasn't completely successful since BETA hives are deep, deep underground.
>>13650920
Muh pure little girls
>>13651662
I want to protect that smile.
>>13651583
>TSF pilots aren't suicide bombers (usually)
Meiya and friends threw some at the BETA in Kashgar Hive and didn't die in the ensuing blast, which is funny since they didn't have any kind of launching mechanism beyond "giant robot throwing arm".
Maybe they should issue TSFs with upscaled versions of these things.
>>13651645
That's like saying an apple peeling device is useless because it will not slice a pineapple.
Nukes would be very helpful against large masses BETA herds on the surface.
>>13651662
those weird as fuck Ishigaki proportions
>>13651688
Aren't the issue with mass usage of tactical nuclear weapons the fallout? I'm no nuclear physicist, but if I recall, fission gives the most bang for buck, and consequently, scattering radioactive particles everywhere.
I mean heavy metal is also terrible for respiratory health but at least if you have to sit in and get smothered in it on a bad wind day it won't slowly cook you in your own artillery vehicle, and you can at least mitigate some of it with masks, or if you're starved for equipment, a good piece of cloth (not that it works all that well, but ease of mind to keep the grunts quiet, and it does keep your nose from being clogged up rather than openly breathing in metal air).
>TSFs launch missiles with davy crockett warheads
>It's a bad wind day, the heavy metal and radioactive dust particles blow towards the artillery group (this is acknowledged as a weakness of HM tactics in-series)
>They can't maintain heavy metal coverage without staying and bringing +100 irradiated vehicles back to base and being grounded while half the base has to be decontaminated, and are ordered to relocate
>Shite terrain, can't get good shots from new positions and upkeep a high ROF
>Meanwhile TSFs are being gangbanged and fucked sideways, front, back, top and bottom into the Stone Age while the artillery commanders wonder what the flying fuck is HQ ordering them in-between mountains for
Mind, the Soviets and China didn't give two fucks and just let loose with nukes, while most of the Western Front were characterized with defensive battles; they weren't just giving up land, since it wouldn't make political sense for one nation to give up land for use as a strategic denial killzone for another nation - unlike the two largest Eastern bloc nations that could afford to do just that. After Oder-Neisse, there were also the Zuiderzee defence, and the Dunkirk Retreat/Defense of Paris, to mention those battles that have been named.
>>13651695
What about laser strain? Pretty sure they'd shoot them down.
>>13651688
>Meiya and friends threw some at the BETA in Kashgar Hive and didn't die in the ensuing blast
Anon they were covered in split second my S00mika's Rutherford field. They would have been toast otherwise.
>>13651688
>Meiya and friends threw some at the BETA in Kashgar Hive and didn't die in the ensuing blast, which is funny since they didn't have any kind of launching mechanism beyond "giant robot throwing arm".
did you read the VN or just looked at the moving pictures ?
>>13651871
>>13651898
It's been four years, was being shielded by Lazaford Fields a part of their plan or did they just hope they wouldn't die?
>>13651852
>tactical nuclear weapons
I was talking about S-11s. They need a better way to deploy them on the fly at the front than suicide bombing or bringing a Susanoo with missiles with S-11s on the end.
Only in a TDA scenario would they go really crazy with the nukes.
>>13652173
>or bringing a Susanoo with missiles with S-11s on the end.
Are you retarded or did you forget it causes a huge strain on the Susanoo to constantly use the Rutherford field to defend against any kind of damage? You're pretty much asking for the Susanoo to shut down or explode.
>>13650116
you realize most here are esl....
>>13652183
Yes, including me.
>>13651861
Read that post again, I was saying that the Susanoo is just as impractical as selfdestruction.
>>13652173
Since they can fit S-11 warheads on missiles, who knows? We only ever see a few bombing runs throughout the series. Perhaps some types of bombs are capable of matching that output if there weren't friendly forces or target retrieval issues to consider.
>>13652190
so doesn't judge harshly fag !
>>13652207
If you can't grasp basic English grammar, you're either underage or borderline illiterate. Being ESL is no excuse.
>>13652162
was part of the plan for maximize the effect of the explosion
>チェックでアニメ『シュヴァルツェスマーケン』のPV第二弾みた……なんか人が誰も死なない感動的な良い話っぽい((((;ﾟДﾟ))))ｶﾞｸｶﾞｸﾌﾞﾙﾌﾞﾙ
whut?
Iris is the best.
>>13652466
>>13652218
It wasn't part of the plan. They just lobbed an S-11 at the giga herd because they were panicking and in deep shit. They were shown to be aware of the shielding at some point but I doubt they had any idea how well and fast S00mika could utilize the field.
You know, I'm not finding the rebels very sympathetic so far. In the VN, if you say the wrong thing when Gretel accuses you of being a stasi plant, she'll outright execute you on the spot.
>>13652477
東ドイツが生き残るには、戦術機を使って光線級BETAへの強襲を行うプランしかない、という結論に行きつくユルゲン。そして第四〇戦術機実験集団の主席幕僚となった彼は戦術機運用についての公聴会でそのプランについて提言することを決意するのだった。
East Germany to survive, it is not only plan to carry out the assault to the ray class BETA using the tactics machine, Jurgen that end up in the conclusion that. And he became the chief staff of the forty tactics machine experimental population was to decided to make recommendations about the plan at public hearings about the tactical machine operation.
>>13652466
>Iris's Irises slightly poking out
>dat everything
Be still my heart
Is there a full ost rip yet?
Man I want to read Schwarzesmarken so bad, but I know I'll never be able to unless I learn Japanese and I don't have the capacity to do that as it stands. Wish I could just pay someone to translate it.
>>13652204
It's not really though, since it has both a shield that can resist sustained laser fire and a weapon that can eliminate large amounts of BETA in one go. The only real impractical aspect is that it needed the 00-unit to run it without mulching the pilot, which as far as drawbacks go is pretty crippling.
>>13652924
Use ChiiTrans Lite or ITH.
>>13653404
I guess the whole bit about Iris prioritizing Germany over mankind (vs Beato who does the opposite) is true.
Don't know who I agree with, really.
>>13653404
uh, why are you suggesting someone to read machine tl? better yet, why are you doing it yourself?!
>>13653462
because the other guy can't read japanese and said he isn't learning it
>>13653435
She's not saying she only care about Germany. That "translation" is fucking up the meaning.
>>13653435
Nah, Beato's like a hungry dog; she doesn't have a higher goal except hurting as many people as much as possible.
Iris actually cares about humanity a lot, she just thinks Germans should have a place at the table.
>>13653524
>>13653473
So that spoiler about Beatrix's and Iris's motivations was wrong?
>>13653581
Yeah.
A moonspeaker actually take a look at it last thread and ripped it to shreds. Everything about it was completely off.
Anyone got download links for schwarzesmarken vn
>>13653581
Don't listen to the Irisfags, they rely on wrong informations as much as you are ( 2ch posters are like us : They like to resume a lot of things to make it easier to understand, and make shortcuts to try to summarize things, but the most you summarize something, the most likely someone is to misread it ).
Really basically, we *can* say that Iris is putting Germany before World, and Beatrix is doing the opposite. I insist on the " Really basically ", because the conversations are way more complex than that and resuming them to that is partially wrong, but that's their overall tendencies.
Once again, nothing is entirely black or white in SM.
>>13653817
And why should he listen to you?
Also
>assuming I'm an Irisfag
>>13647381
Probably depends on which Front and what time period.
>>13653840
Why should he listen to you ?
I know what I'm saying, and you seem to know what you are saying ( Assuming we are not relying on some external sources and actually read the shit ourselves, but we both did, right ? ).
Now he have the two faces of the same thing, and he can trust however he wants if he can't get into japanese himself. I said what I have to.
>>13653817
>black or white in SM.
Isn't it more grey vs black. The rebels aren't nice, but Beatrix and Axmann are beyond evil.
>>13653899
your source? are you fluent in japanese and have read the LNs? also nice dubs
>>13654015
I'm just going off of the few spoilers and translations we got, and they mention shit like the stasi running concentration camps for dissenters and undesirables, randomly torturing and killing even children, and just being cartoonishly evil. Even minor stasi characters, like the one chick who was going to have Katia tortured and possibly raped, come off as the spawn of satan. Beatrix herself takes part in a lot of the above, and seems to do so with relish if the spoilers are right, and the less said about Axmann, the better.
So, Funimation announced their winter 2016 simulcast lineup, and Schwarzesmarken isn't on there. This is good news.
>>13654811
Why? I'm not a big fan of Funi, but it doesn't effect me one way or another if they pick a series up.
>>13654869
I think he doesn't want Muv-Luv introduced to the cancerous fanbase Funimation stuff usually attracts.
>>13654893
>looks at the the Irisfags taking a shit on Beatrix
>remembers anatomical correct argument
>sees the Sumikaspammer over on /a/
I don't think they'd make things that much worse honestly.
>>13654015
I know people want to talk about sm but I really wish they wouldn't rely on second hand information. It's okay to be an eop.
>>13654899
Alright, so imagine if the majority of the posters here were like the Irisfags; that's the sort of crowd Funimation would bring to the table.
>>13654920
Looking at places like the Official Forum, Animesuki, MAL, VNDB, and Reddit, Iris is already the favorite. It's kinda weird that there's so many Beatrixfags on /m/ and the wikijust means we got good tastes, I guess.
>>13654900
he's a beatrix apologist
he doesn't need sources
>>13654893
There's also the fact that Funimation uses hardsubs and can't encode properly if the survival of humanity depended on it, their 1080p somehow looks worse than a 720p encode of a TV raw.
>>13654995
plus their subs are styled like shit
>>13654893
And what about the cancerous fanbase that Crunchyroll attracts?
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QyJoRgS.jpg "large[1].jpg")
seems like they released a new anime pv in today special streaming
>>13655579
Is their a link?
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oteoqTT.jpg "large[1].jpg")
Evan Call living the dream
How about sharing the stream's link if you catch it live next time?
>>13655680
too bad was region locked, i'm just reading the comment on twitter
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/djcrGQB.jpg "large[1].jpg")
>>13655696
>>13655665
All that cash to pay EG that could be used on longer and better animation production instead
>>13655706
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf0rHosJCcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyO8qlNo1-E
worth every yen
>>13655665
>>13655696
who's that guy anyway?
>>13655712
Kek, I though they only did the ED.
I love the rest of the OST but it still sound pretty low quality to me.
>>13655719
the composer of SM BGM
http://schwarzesmarken-anime.jp/world/
>>13655735
>West Deutschland
>Ost Deutschland
It keeps happening.
>>13655712
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyO8qlNo1-E
Literally Duel of the Fates by John Williams.
>>13655764
should just be Ostdeutschland and Westdeutschland
what are they even paying philip-kun for
>>13655735
>>13655780
>>13655783
Who wants to bet idiots will refer to the Luftwaffe logo as "Nazi symbolism"
>>13655764
welp, age.
>>13655770
someone say Philip-kun fired by age because fixing translation typo.
not sure it's true though.
>>13655787
>>13655791
>>13655788
Wait are you saying Philip got fired because he did his job ? If it's true then Age is pretty retard.
>>13655793
>>13655787
THICK
>>13655796
USAF Tank Killers confirmed
>>13655795
No, he's just a retard misunderstanding something.
>>13655796
>>13655799
so it's confirmed adapting the whole story, right?
>>13655799
Hum yes
>>13655804
than why they made the mig-27?
>>13655801
Like they have the time for that
>>13655787
TSFs are operated by army, not the airforce. That Iron Cross is used by the whole Bundeswehr.
>>13655795
someone say in previous SM thread. not sure legit, or just words.
>>13655800
the person who spout out from the past thread was that then.
>>13655815
Sadly, only Germans and people familiar with the works of national militaries will be able to see the distinction.
Still, the Iron Cross has nowhere near the infamy of the swastika or, on the Japanese side, the Rising Sun flag of the JMSDF, so it's not that bad.You guys ever seen someone scream and point "Nazis" in a Buddhist temple? I thought I would be able to make it though life without seeing that firsthand.
>>13655799
forgot Bundeswehr freedom fries
>>13655852
>the Rising Sun flag
oh look another retard so fucking stupid enough that they believe the nonsense bullshit korean lobbyists spout
>>13655829
I made the post you're talking about, and all I said was that the German was so bad that Philip couldn't possibly have looked at it. You just can't read.
>>13655857
or you can't post that well. or maybe other anon did that.
thanks for the clarification.
>>13655856
Don't know what you're on about, bub, I ain't heard of no Korean controversy with it. The RS flag was also the IJ naval ensign; you think common people are going to nitpick about detail placement of the "sun's" centralization?
If you think only the Koreans and the Chinese harp about it, then it's only because it's they're the loudest at it. The older generation of SEAseans still do pass comments about it for precisely the same reason I've highlighted; they don't see the distinction as clearly as people who take the time to search the differences. What's your problem?
>>13655780
>>13655783
>>13655787
>>13655791
>>13655793
>>13655796
>>13655799
>>13655854
LOOK AT ALL THESE MEATY TSFs!
>yfw they may make the A-10 Thunderbolt kit
ALL MY MONEY
>>13655854
So more Koto kits then? The anime models should be identical to the VN ones, but have substantially smaller upper torso than the lineart.
>>13655801
Looks like it. That's Beatrix's custom 27, and it doesn't show up until volume 6.
>>13656066
Who here is ready for maximum penetration then?
>>13656074
>>13656066
>whole story in one cour
>spoiling the VN
They aren't this retarded right?
>>13656149
they said was one cour?
>>13656149
The meat of the action is in the second half. Assuming the make most of their cuts in the first three volumes, and focus on Neptune and the coup, they could do it, though characterization outside of Theo, Katia, and Iris will likely sufferwhose ready for a fresh round of unempathetic anime-only Beatrix, Lise, and Sylwia shitters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN7Jl315Z2s&feature=youtu.be
It's shit
>>13656163
I think yeah.
>>13656279
>dat destroyer crash
the pilot must have ended up as tomato sauce
it can't be worse than TE, r-right guys?
How much did the VN sell?
Because I sure hope the anime fucking bomb
>>13656279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IauR3QlFsz4
at least link the one with a decent video quality
So does the VN that's out go through all the story of the LNs? And the upcoming VN is going to be new material?
>>13656306
only the first 3 volume, the second one it's going with the rest of the novel.
Was a pretty shit idea, i know that they spend a lot with the production value, but split it in two was retard
>>13656316
and the anime is going to adapt the entire story? All the LNs? wtf
>>13656316
>i know that they spend a lot with the production value
There's nothing impressive in the VN, they were just very lazy.
>>13656306
No. First VN is just the first 3 volumes. No material from TSFiA, Requiem or BiS in it (seriously, you couldn't squeeze in Kurt's story). Even had scenes cut rather than added, disappointingly.
Second VN covers the rest, and is planned to have three routes. They better add in the side material too, because all the characters benefit tremendously from the little tidbits in Requiem and BiS. Transforms the cast from being a bunch of unlikable ciphers into very sympathetic, but flawed individuals (see Gretel and Sylwia).
>>13656339
The artist responsible couldn't have just let the mouth be rather than adding that awkward black curving line that makes it seem as though she's jutting out her lower lip?
>>13656344
It's in the original design. Looks sexy as hell too imo.
Who is she executing?
>>13656348
yeah, look better than the character design in the site. We just need to confirm how huge are her tits, in the anime artbook they look gigantic.
>>13656351
Funny, the clothes are vaguely similar to Jurgen's.
>>13656359
That's what I was thinking.
Looking at the training Axmann gave toLise, it's right up his alley to force Beatrix to execute her lover. Matches with the timeline too. Beatrix was picked up by Axmann sometime in 1978, the same year the stasi purged Strachwitz and all his associates in the "Night of Moonlight." Makes Beatrix's contempt for stasi leadership make more sense too (rather than just the whole power hungry bitch explanation). If she actually had to shoot Jurg, it also makes Beato's vendetta against Iris almost sympathizable and also justifies Iris's huge murderboner towards her.
>>13656368
Too bad that the one behind Axman is Liz
by the way i read on twitter that pv was from footage from the first episode, so we get to see Beato from the beginn ?
>>13656355
In the LN, she has the largest knockers and widest hips of all the girls. She is described as pretty much Venus walking the Earth in both BiS and SM.
>>13655735
>not Bundersrepublik Deutschland
>not Deutsche Demokratische Republik
>>13656396
yeah, i know but just look how bigger they are here
>>13654941
>>13656074
It's what she deserves, so yes, looking forward to it.
>>13656339
>>13656348
>>13656351
What a bitch. Probably get's wet at the thoughts of executing babies and shit.
>>13656368
So she's pretty much confirmed for worse girl then?
>>13656396
Beauty on the outside, beast on the inside.
>>13656408
Who cares? She's gettingpenetratedat the end anyways.
>>13656305
So who is the main bad person in this again, Beatrix or Axmann?
>>13656339
>>13656348
>>13656351
She's really getting into that execution. Guess the Irisfags were right about her being a complete monster.
>>13656561
>Irisfags
>Being right about anything
Now this is shitposting.
>>13656608
I was hoping you'd counter their claims. I want Beatrix to be a morally complex, even sympathetic character, but it's looking like she'll just be Esdeath without any of the charm.
>>13656501
no one fucking knows (Axmann is def very evil) because everyone is saying different things... just wait for VN translation(2025 if ever or learn moon) and decide for yourself. Thats what i will do i refuse to take sides until i have more than spoilers info and what some random anon says.
>>13656368
so Irisdina betrays Jürgen and Beatrix is forced to execute him?
>>13656630
>>13656501
I like to think of SM as being two stories wrapped around each other. You got Theo's story, and Iris's story.
The main antagonist to Iris is obviously Beatrix, while the main antagonist to Theo is definitely Axmann.
>>13656640
It is a possibility. We don't know, but it would explain a lot.
>>13656625
I don't really think that Beatrix is as 'morally complex' as you believe she potentially is, especially since it was proven that supporters were fabricating tales in Beatrix's favor.
>>13656694
>>13656625
As much as I hate TVTropes, they do a pretty good job in describing the type of person Beatrix is:
>The Complete Monster is the most depraved of all characters; a villain utterly lacking in redeeming features. Trying to put a value on the evilness of a Complete Monster is like calculating the credit score of Bill Gates: it's a moot point.
>Or, anyway, that is how the character is presented in the story. The character is a bad guy, full stop. The author has not taken the character through any actions toward redemption, or at least any that stuck.
>The Complete Monster can be recognized by these signs:
>The character is truly heinous by the standards of the story, which makes no attempt to present the character in any positive way.
>The character's terribleness is played seriously at all times, evoking fear, revulsion and hatred from the other characters in the story.
>They are completely devoid of altruistic qualities. They show no regret for their crimes.
Beatrix pretty much hits all the above and then some. She up there with the likes of Katejina, Bask, and Gihren in her complete lack of morality.
There really isn't much too her unfortunately. She's evil and she likes to hurt people. Viola, 90% of her character right there. Even Axmann is a more complicated character than her despite arguably being even worse (imo, Beatrix killed way more over way less time than Axmann ever did).
>>13656707
One thing that gets me is that nowadays, you have to explain exactly why they're monsters, otherwise your entry gets removed without warning (aside a few odd exceptions that have been forgotten).
>Bask
It's funny you say that, because like him, Beatrix has a backstory that explains why she turned the way she is. It's not excusable at all, of course (especially since Bask's isn't even seen on-screen).
>>13656734
Wonder if we have enough to add Beatrix onto that list? Esdeath was on there for a little while, and if anything, Beatrix is played straight unlike Esdeath.
Honestly,killingBeatrix really redeemed Theodor for me. It was pretty much one of the fewdeathsin SM that I felt good about.
Didn't Beatrix also have Pham and Sylwiaraped as part of their torture? She's as bad as Axmann really.
>>13656745
Probably, though I think it would help if Axmann was bunched in together with her (that's how Flashman's Ra Deus and Lee Kefren got added, after all). Schwarzesmarken's page doesn't have a YMMV page yet, so caution may be needed here in case they'll be trying to look for a source.
