Seed, 00 I was a big hit, or the why of the TV Gundam does not hit the past few years?
http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/87786
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Because they keep fucking pumping them out. Sometimes two series a year. There was a few years between Turn A and Seed, then a couple between that and 00. Ever since the AGE disaster they've gone into overdrive flooding the market with Gundam to try and repair the damage, but they're just making things worse.
>>14494304
>Trying to decipher this post.
SEED was a "hit" only by virtue of being the very first digitally animated Gundam show (novelty) with big-name celebrity VAs and music artists. However, it flopped on the one aspect that really mattered: Gunpla.
If you mean "Why hasn't any Gundam sold as high as since 00", it's because the economy is different and mecha anime aren't as popular as they used to be in the 00s
>>14494311
They're trying to be like Toei.
Build Fighters was an unexpected hit, as well as G-Reco (if only by doing far better than Bandai dared hope).
>>14494328
Looking for that picture of the Japanese kid saying "robot is old-fashioned".
>>14494337
Well, if IBO is indication of anything they are nearly there in the animation department
>>14494311
This, pumping them out constantly is how to ruin a franchise 101. 00 worked because there was time for planning and animation.
Losing the Fujo audience,
>>14494300
What the fuck are you trying to say?
>>14494824
Who cares? They don't buy the gunpla anyway.
>>14494300
Define "hit".
>>14494824
>implying IBO wasn't blatant pandering to fujoshits
>>14494327
>SEED was a "hit" only by virtue of being the very first digitally animated Gundam show (novelty) with big-name celebrity VAs and music artists. However, it flopped on the one aspect that really mattered: Gunpla.
Well Gundam fags deserve what they got since then. Stupid Gundam shows that have thrown out the narrative to concentrate only on Gunpla sales. Sunrise threw out the baby with the bathwater.
Seed together with Gundam 00 were the last decent Gundam shows that had character development.
Because kids aren't into mecha anymore.
>>14494971
>However, it flopped on the one aspect that really mattered: Gunpla.
No it didn't? Seed revitalized GunPla after the very poor sales of Gundam X and Turn A Gundam.
>>14494311
What damage are we talking about? Gundam's sales keep going up every year
>>14494327
>>14495440
What he meant was Destiny. Destiny is the one that was a complete disappointment Gunpla-wise
>>14494971
>Seed together with Gundam 00 were the last decent Gundam shows that had character development.
I think the problem is that right now, Banrise isn't willing to fully back anything that's too different. Sure, they made G-Reco and Build Fighters but those didn't get the same level of support as other Gundams because Banrise didn't expect to make much off of them. But the projects they go all in on, they feel so tame in comparison. SEED and AGE repurposed ingredients from previous shows in an attempt to make Gundam Great Again. 00s1 was pretty different, but then s2 became a Zeta-clone. Even IBO, which I feel they diluted the original premise since it does look like a hard sale.
They're stuck in the past, retelling the same stories again and again. They're not going to fully commit to something new or different, otherwise what's the point of making it Gundam instead of it's own property?
>>14494311
We got a miracle in GBF but they ruined even that.
>>14494312
How fucking new are you?
>>14494961
And they pandered because the lost the fujos and they want them back
>>14494971
Narratives don't fund shows.
>>14494311
Gundam is the new COD
>>14494311
>but they're just making things worse.
Yeah...worse.
>>14494300
SEED was the beginning of pop gendum.
Instead of a gritty war drama that doubled as a toy commercial, it became a toy commercial set against the backdrop of war.
The characters became stale carcatures of messianic neo-pacifists, undermining their own message through the violent methods they use to enforce their ideals, only to suffer no real consequences for their blind, wide eyed idealism.
Build Fighters managed to play with this by being a tongue in cheek toy comnercial IRL for a game of toys in-universe.
Then they shoved all those tired cliches back in once the second season kicked off, setting modern gundam right back where it started.
Ultimately, blind pandering to autistic boys named after girls is what's dragging Gundam down.
Instead of revolutionizing the franchise with each installment and directing the fanbase, they're just reacting today to what they think merch buyers wanted yesterday.
Ultimately, this leaves the franchise less appealing to everyone because there doesn't seem to be even the illusion of vision or direction anymore.
It's all just GOTTA SELL MERCH, and the cynicism of it all is do blatantly obvious that each money grabbing installment only digs the hole deeper for the sake of short term revenue at the expense of a long running and, in the right hands, potentially future proof franchise.
tl;dr greed, desperation and a lack of / antagonism towards creativity is turning gundam into a boring cookie cutter franchise with no plot diversity or character depth
>>14497252
Fukuda, in his own way, is the kind of director Bandai would want for the franchise. At least, SEED-Fukuda. SEED-Fukuda would listen to what the various producers wanted ("sell more Busters. Promote the METEORS. Make the show more shocking") and would bend the show over to oblige them. He didn't care about the message he was sending, his only concern was making a show the audience found entertaining.
In short, the perfect guy in Bandai's eyes. A weak general to Bandai's strong Emperor. They don't want another Tomino on their hands.
>>14497413
Fukuda was a mistake
>>14497252
Gundam was about as gritty as a bowl of strawberries and cream, I don't think that's a contributing factor.
>>14497252
>gritty war drama
>>14496717
Please stop overrating GBF.
>>14494311
I'm actually really really surprised *Gundam fatigue* hasn't settled in Japan yet. Wasn't this the main issue throughout the entire 90s decade? You had 0080 OVA, followed shortly by the F91 movie, followed the next year by the Victory series, followed by round the clock yearly series in the form of G, W, X, along with more OVAs like 08th MS Team, 0083, and the Endless Waltz mini-series.
Why hasn't the same trend taken hold again in Japan? I mean from 2010:
>00 movie
>AGE
>Gunpla Beginning OVA
>Unicorn OVA series; OVA episode more or less every year
>GBF
>GBF Try airs at the same time as G-Reco
>two Gundam series in the same season for the same length roughly
>followed again the next year by IBO's first season
Why hasn't it set it?
>>14497826
Fatigue definitely became a factor in the 90s, yeah, as it very likely contributed to X not doing well. Things slowed down afterward, but not *incredibly* much. 08th had started its 4+ year run near the end of Wing. Endless Waltz was the year after X. Turn A two years after that. Seed two years after that. Destiny just a year after. There was then a three year gap before 00, but the Seed movie was most likely originally supposed to happen before that.
You can say things have sped up since then, but you have to consider they're also casting a wider net now. It's not like the 90s when Gundam was airing basically every single week for years on end while targeting the same audience. Build Fighters is a spin-off. AGE targeted a younger audience, while Unicorn targeted an older audience. G-Reco can almost be counted as an older-skewing spinoff; it was half the length of a normal series, aired in a late night timeslot, and was an anniversary project. IBO was basically the first "mainline" entry since AGE (three years after it), and also basically shifted back to trying to appeal to some of the SEED/00 crowd, such as female fans, etc, segments that the franchise had basically ignored since 00.
>>14497826
The main issue is that Gunpla sales were very low in the 90s. When X underperformed, they basically cratered. As far as tv ratings go, starting from Age, we've seen the current shows having a much bigger ratings drop than the 90s ones, but that doesn't matter since the Gunpla sales are much higher.
There's a reason why they've been suddenly making all these UC related OVAs since Unicorn
>>14494300
They came out on different times when anime wasn't as heavily monopilized as they were nowadays so you didn't have over 40 shows competing with one another per season.
This was the season SEED premiered in.
http://anichart.net/archive/fall-02
Virtually no actual competition
This was the season 00 premiered in
http://anichart.net/archive/fall-07
Definitely a bigger catalog and even with it premiering alongside the second season of Shana which was then a hugely popular LN series and the second season of Usavich, don't ask it was also a top seller, there's virtually no competition.
Now let us fast forward 7 years later
https://www.livechart.me/fall-2014/tv
Even more shows this time. Taking into that account when you tally the sales number averages G-Reco was the 5th best selling title that season compared to SEED and 00 which were the top sellers of their respective season. Considering the various factors stacked against it (airing late at night, directed by Tomino a man who hasn't had a hit anime since ZZ) its a wonder it sold as well as it did.
https://www.livechart.me/fall-2015/tv
Now this season was pretty weird. By all accounts IBO should have been at the top especially with the waning interest of the monogatari franchise, HQ S2 suffering from sequel fatigue and virtually no competition elsewhere so it was a shoe-in...but...Osomatsu-san happened, a 60's manga getting a modern reboot featuring an assortment of popular and well known seiyuu managed to hit a spark with female buyers and as of current is looking to be the top selling anime of the year as for IBO it finished this season in 4th place.
So its really just a factor in change in times then anything in regards to franchise fatigue or people not liking Gundam anymore. Delta is not going to sell half of what Frontier sold so those that mean Japan hates it? Not really I mean the music is doing well so its doing its job much like Gundam is still selling Gunpla despite waning BD sales.
