Who is the best gundam series pilot by pure piloting skills alone and why?
Pic unrelated since the answer is Kamille? Better pilot and newtype than any other UC lead.
>>14487962
What about Usso?
>>14487962
Pilot? Debatable, CCA Amuro has years of experience on him. Newtype-wise, isn't Judoh confirmed stronger? Pretty sure Judoh intimidated Haman with his 30m tall newtype projection.
>>14487954
If you include newtype bullshitery it gets complicated. But without it, Yazan.
>>14487986
He's a cut above Amuro and Judau.
>>14487990
Amuro never really impressed with his piloting skills in CCA, his battle tactics shined there. Judau is just a terrible pilot, constantly losing or getting messed up in battles he by all means should've won. Also if he was such a great newtype, why couldn't he sense his sister and why did Kamille pull his ass outta the fire on more than one occasion? Shit, Kamille is on Earth during the final battle yet his power extended into space to power up the ZZ with dead people Judau never even met.
>>14487990
>Pilot? Debatable, CCA Amuro has years of experience on him.
So does Char though, but Chars new type abilities are considerably weaker than Amuros, yet they still fight fairly evenly, leading me to believe that Char bests him in pure piloting skill.
That said, my money's on Noin.
Heero was a damn good pilot. Zechs was able to go toe to toe with him in a powerful, but outdated machine, leaving me to infer that in terms of piloting skill, Zechs is better than Heero. And it's confirmed that Noin is better than Zechs, and is seen in EW keeping up with the Gundams and Tallgeese 3 with a damn Taurus.
>>14488002
Uso v Yazan, what the hell would happen? Uso has SOME newtype bullshit but for the most part he's just a monster in an MS. Lightning-fast thinker, flexible, natural with tactics, incredible reflexes. I'd put him on the same level, if not higher.
>>14488002
>If you include newtype bullshitery
>>14487954
>pure piloting skills
I'm pretty sure he outright stated no new type bullshittery
>>14488007
He did sense his sister once he got into space. He was going on and on about "Yeah gotta get back to see Leina again" and everyone thought he fucking lost it.
>>14487954
>gundam series
Anything to exclude best old type.
>>14488007
Judoh is indeed a pretty bad pilot, when compared to others, thats why I was just talking about newtype spirit. I would say he has more potential, but Judoh is Judoh, he doesn't really listen to anyone or learn any lessons, he just forces his way through the show.
>why couldn't he sense his sister
drama, I think
>Shit, Kamille is on Earth during the final battle yet his power extended into space
You're right there, and at the end of Zeta it was like he was forgetting he had a human body (what was up with opening the helmet?). Both Judoh and Kamille have points in their favour.
Can someone explain the Yazan meme?
>>14487954
Yazan
Well that old man from crossbone did take out 6 doms with just a ball...
>>14488082
That was 90% luck.
>>14488015
I dunno, Char got some hits in, but I wouldn't call that a fairly even fight. At first, yes, but eventually it became a steamroll in Amuro's favour. Char only manages to destroy the beam rifle and he tries to crush the left hand, to seemingly little effect.
>>14488082
Reiji took out 6 Zeekfags with a ball.
>>14488082
He wasn't even in control. He just fired the cannon and went 3D space pinball: gundam edition. If anything that's an argument for the ball being op, not the pilot being good.
>>14488015
>yet they still fight fairly evenly
Do they? I think Char touches the Nu Gundam once in the entire movie, and that hit is to an unimportant piece of armor that isn't even visibly damaged by it. Meanwhile Amuro completely demolishes the Sazabi. If they were fighting fairly evenly you'd expect the Nu Gundam to at least be damaged at the end of the movie.
>>14488123
Nah, Alex Dino is a much better pilot than him.
>>14487954
Domon, on average, showcases probably the most skill and discipline of just about any Gundam pilot.
>>14488123
Wouldn't Mwu be the strongest Seed character not counting coordinator hijinks?
why does this even a contest? near the end 0079 Amuro would have steam rolled every other gundam pilot . No need to have his zeta or CCA incarnation.
>>14488161
don't see any other pilots stopping bullets with their bare hands.
>>14488178
He has newtype hijinks instead.
>>14488192
>near the end 0079 Amuro would have steam rolled every other gundam pilot .
In what, his regular old Gundam? He'd be obliterated by any half-competent pilot in a Zeta/ZZ era MS.
>>14487962
I feel like reading an opinion of someone who haven't watched 0079 and zeta. Or you iust plain retarded. Since fucking when Kamille is better than Amuro? especially in term of PILOTING skill. Summoning the dead women is not a piloting skill if you dont understand. Use your logic atleast once a year.
>>14488223
Anon it's a built in feature of his MS.
>>14487954
This thread needs more Graham Aker
The best pilot is clearlyyour fave.
>>14487954
Garrod Ran.
>>14488068
Watch Zeta.
>>14488223
>I feel like reading an opinion of someone who haven't watched 0079 and zeta.
That's weird since I've watched all of UC outside of Origin/Thunderbolt.
>>14487954
>Fucking Chuck Norris Packard
Evaded an artillery shell while bunji jumping inside a building.
Uso is creative and lethal 100% of the time, but I don't really recall him fighting a lot of strong Newtype-level pilots who could give him a run for his money. And the one fight he did have, he basically parts-spammed his way to success.
At the risk of pissing everyone off, adult space pirate Asemu is probably way up the lists based on pure piloting alone (no NT powers, programming aimbots or VEDA assist while piloting a severely ougunned MS).
>>14488298
Haha Just Shoot The Funnels Haha
If Garrod had better tactical awareness, I'd say he'd be up their.
I wanna believe Jamil is an incredible pilot though.
>>14488382
Uso was getting fucked up by Fuala and only won with help. Someone needs to post those videos that show every kill each UC main got over their series.
>>14488382
Asemu basically got through with hard work and guts. Nobody disputing thatand I never thought AGE was all that bad until part 3
UC, Char was probably one of the more gifted pilots. He just could never match Amuro, but char was kind of a shitty newtype. He only survived as long as he did because he was a good pilot. Nobody else really survived put up against Amuro, disregarding Zeta because Amuro didn't have a will to fight really.
Not in order.
>OYW Amuro
>CCA Amuro
>Kamille
>Uso
>Flint
>Yazan
>>14488371
I got the feeling Packard was a very good pilot but a brilliant tactician. As far as pure piloting skills there's quite a few that I think outclass him
>>14488456
Yeah, I agree with this. (Although I would argue there isn't much of a difference)
He never forgot his end mission up until the end, and he planned for nearly every outcome. It just goes to show that how well you use your weapon doesn't matter if you have no battlefield awareness.
>>14488015
Its confirmed Zechs purposely scored lower than Noin, anyway Noin isn't a good pilot if going solely by whats seen in show. Being able to survive in something dated puts her in the same league as Elle, and Lunamaria but below Emma and Sochie.
We're lead to believe that Super Soldier Hal is the best pilot in 00.
Unfortunately, the show doesn't quite reflect this as a Irish cyclops decimates the GN-X forces on his way to go die to Ali while Super Solder Hal loses to two GN-X's in a damaged suit. Because he's also strong it means they had to write him out of 00 S2 until the final battle where he just curbstomped Hilling, before immediately jobbing to Ribbon's fangs.
>>14488814
To be fair, the Irish guy had a mobile armor and Hal was facing the two very best GN-X pilots.
Early UC: Yazan
Late UC: Tobia Arronax
AW: the white death
CC: Harry
CE: Yzak, or Kira if SEED mode is allowed
00: Ali al Saachez, Hal if super soldiers are allowed
RC: Bellri
>>14488873
>RC: Bellri
>not Klim
Boy you better pump your brakes.
>>14488471
>Zechs purposely scored lower than Noin
I will admit I can barely remember Wing, but I thought it was the other way around?
>same league as Elle, and Lunamaria
Pretty sure Noin actually hit something occasionally.To be fair to Luna, having a big gun/cannon while not being the protagonist is a guaranteed jobbing role.
>>14488068
Yazan isn't a meme
yazan is an oldtype who managed to out perform every single newtype in zeta, often with inferior mobile suits.
then zz turns him into a joke character for a few episodes and he is then forgotten about. he deserved better really.
Without Alaya Vagina? Probably him since he could keep up with Alaya Vagina users. With Alaya Vagina? For now it's Mikazuki.
Also, Asemu shits on everyone on AGE.
>>14488921
He isnt, forgotten about, some guy in Johnny Ridden hires him to protect his daughteru and he beats everyone in a GM
>>14487954
>>14487954
Amuro. Even SRW recognizes this much when it comes to Gundam. Kamille was heavily benefited by his Newtype powers and Judau even more so who took much longer to progress as a decent pilot.
Usso is good too, and so is Seabook going by UC.
>>14488957
Except it's not animated so it's not canon. All the fanfiction in the world won't change Yazan's fate.
>>14488007
>Usso
>cut above Amuro
No. Also why even bring up Judau whose nowhere near even OYW era Amuro as a pilot?
>>14487954
>Out preformed his Gundam to the point of straining it's parts even with magnetic coating on the joints.
>I just now realized the Feddies could have just given him a fucking better Gundam when they could spare an FA unit in the thunderbolt sector.
would have made the A Baoa Qu easier.
>>14489007
Thunderbolt exists as an Alternate universe to the established UC. Nothing short of the Alex which was completed too late for Amuro to use could have provided him with the suit to wreck A Baoa Qu much easier.
>>14489007
There's a million different gundams in the OYW now because every time they create a new side story they feel like they HAVE to create a whole new Gundam to go along with it for marketing purposes, its total nonsense
>>14489065
>side story
You said it yourself, they're not canon, so what's the problem?
>>14488884
Noin is still below other pilots
>>14489065
As much as I love 08th MS Team, establishing that the Federation has enough mass-produced Gundams that they can supply some nobody corps in a shithole Vietnamese jungle a full roster of them raises a few questions.
>>14489345
08th Gundam team? War in the pocket?
And do you really want to talk about Gundam 'canon'?
>>14488878
iirc klim got btfo every time he face luin.
>>14489401
>8th MS team
Essentially GM's, what's gundam about ground Gundams?
>War in the pocket
You mean the Alex, which was made specifically for Amuro but was being developed too slowly to even participate in the final battle of the OYW. Besides, the Alex isn't a gundam in the sense that "they HAVE to create a whole new Gundam to go along with it for marketing purposes", it's a plot device.
>>14487962
He is not a MAN OF DESTINY!!!And isn't Kamille a girls name?
>>14489388
The Ground Gundams were essentially just souped up GMs that had the energy output of the Gundam, but lacked the complicated systems that made the original RX-78-2 such a beast in almost every combat scenario.
That learning computer was more than just a means to gather pilot data, it saved lives.
>>14489388
>mass produced gundams
Nope, pretty sure ground gundams are just the scraps of Project V. That would make them the exact opposite, a limited offshoot of a prototype.
>>14489456
>>14489431
The Ground Gundam's were literally built from spare parts of the V Project, with gundam faces and V-Fins, they are gundams.
>>14489414
He only got BTFO early in the series because the Montero is shit. Once he upgrades to his blue zaku he's evenly matched with Luin in most of their later battles and shows new innovation in battle while piloting the Dahack. I'd say by the end the piloting tier went like this:
Bellri > Klim = Dellensen = Raraiya > Luin > everyone else
>>14489032
>Thunderbolt exists as an alternative universe to established UC.
Its canon.
>>14489545
Prove it.
>>14489484
>>14489485
But that's all that was Gundam about them. The Ground GMs used the same armor and 80% of the same parts. Meaning only 20% of the Ground Gundams were V project parts. As someone put it, it's almost literally just the Gundam head.
>>14489485
>literally built from spare parts of the V project
You say that like it's a good thing
>>14489627
That burden would actually exist on you for trying to disprove it. Give me citations or sources saying its in some sort of alternate continuity within UC canon.
Thunderbolt is a lot less intrusive in the canon than something like 08th, nothing in Thunderbolt directly contradicts the canon. At least nothing in the OVA, Dolos-class submarines and the South China Sea federation is another thing entirely.
>>14487954
>Pushing his MS to the maximum limit and even without a head manage to deliver a crippling blow to the Zeong.
>Has PTSD and haven't piloted a ms in years, rusty a bit but still manage to disable a transformable MS by crashing it with a cargo plane.
>Later on participate in battle of Kilimanjaro with a grunt suit and killing people left and right holy shit
>In CCA use a crude Re-GZ and still nearly finish off Gyunei in a superior suit if not for Char came in to the rescue
>Using a untested technology on a newly finish gundam on a battlefield and fired a couple of warning shots to save his fleet from being destroyed
>Use said gundam to carve a bloody path alone on the battlefield while crippling a Mobile Armor, finishing off Gyunei without breaking a sweat and delivering a can of whoop ass that turn Sazabi into a pulp by his gundam bare hands
>Only show concern when he try to push a fuckhueg asteroid rammed with nuclear weapons away from earth
Gee I really don't know who to pick
>>14489665
abubububub, whoa there buddy. I never tried to disprove it. And fact is, even if I was the person you were responding to in the first place, you fucked up by counter-claiming. All claims require the burden of proof.
>>14489718
Was it Usso or Tobia who struggled with a MS/MA that was piloted by a cloned brain using the data of purely OYW era Amuro?
the kid from the second part of age was pretty good.
>>14489731
That's not how the burden of proof works, at all. Try again, retard.
>>14489732
It was Tobia against the MS Amakusa. It took Tobia and Jewdough to take him out after that fucker disabled 3 or more gundams alone easy
>>14489745
Don't forget even after the Amakusa was heavily damaged and defeated, and the clone brain was dying in space, it still guided out Tobia and and Grey with its NT powers.
>>14489718
Stuff like having to deal with years of depression/ptsd, being able to kick ass with grunt mechs and not only limited production high-capability units and not being handed everything in terms of rank and status just by author fiat and nepotism really does take the edge off compared to other more sueish gundam protagonists despite his undeniable ability.
>>14490104
Didn't Setsuna wreck a bunch of GN Drive equipped mobile suits in the 00 movies despite using an outdated Flag?
>>14489032
>>14489545
>>14489627
>>14489675
But in Thunderbolt doesn't EVERY mobile suit have those giant backpacks with 15 different guns on them? They never really establish that those are specialized for that place, it seems like that's just how Zakus and GMs look in the Thunderbolt universe.
>>14490128
I don't see how that makes it alternate continuity. Also Thunderbolt takes place late in the OYW unlike say Origins which contradicts a lot of stuff directly by the EFF already having GMs right at the start for example.
>>14490110
That Flag was updated and retrofitted GN weapons.
>>14490162
Still an outdated MS.
>>14490110
It was an updated specially modified GN-Flag, but yes.
Not really as cool as when he was fighting in the broken-down TerminExia against modern suits though.
If there was an SRW featuring Wing and 00 they need to do a stage where you start off with only Setsuna in the TerminExia along with Heero & Duo in their Space Leo's as a team going all infiltrator.
>>14490200
i got dubs
>>14490200
big black monster mech coming at you niggers
>>14490200
>>14490208
wew lad
Mods hard at work
>>14490200
my girl tells me it feels like im putting a pepsi can in her pussy when we fuck
>>14490156
>>14490128
Only the Blue GM's have them in the ONA, the regular GM's never appear and the GM Canon and Guncannons that appear are mostly unchanged.
>>14490245
They've got big giant backpacks, too, they just aren't as noticeable because they aren't holding extra shields with them.
>>14490245
>>14490291
Unless these were rolled out months before September, and with no statements to say it belongs in some alternative UC setting during the One Year War, Thunderbolt is still an official canon part of the main UC timeline.
>>14489388
>supply some nobody corps in a shithole Vietnamese jungle
Uh what, this was right off the coattails of operation odessa.
And how the fuck is a battalion "nobody"
>>14489388
Ground Gundams are literally shit tier.
>>14490291
>GM Canon and Guncannons that appear are mostly unchanged.
They always had backpacks you can just put they're redesign down to artist preference.
>>14490654
Yep.
>>14490291
Is Thunderbolt trying to turn the UC into the CE?
>>14490526
Don't be retarded, they are capable of using full-sized beam weapons and armoured in Lunar Titanium, Ground Gundms and Ground GM's are much better in a ground war than standard GMs.
>>14490815
Why not, it's not like CE is getting much aside from somehow cramming even more Astray sequels set before SEED Destiny's end.
>>14490819
They're actually better than the base GM, in fact I if IIRC the ground GM and Gundam are more related to the Gundam whereas the GM's are more developed from the proto GM's Luna II was testing.
>>14490819
I'm not being retarded, you fucker. For all their marginal performance increase over regular Ground GMs, they are glorified GMs with a Gundam's head slapped on. On the overall totem pole of power levels for EFF suits, Ground Gundams are extremely low tier compared to stuff like the GM Sniper Custom or GM Sniper II.
>>14488123
Alex is alright but Shinn is way better, at least in his Impulse.
Other picks for me would be amuro because he's wrecked shit in non-gundam mobile suits and even planes.
Uso is the most innovative though,the way he utilized the Victory series mobile suits was ingenious.
>>14487954
Was there any choice? There is no other answer but Amuro "I'll steal your weapon and fuck you up with it too" Ray.
Boy, you shoulda known by now
YZ DOES IT
>>14490489
But what about the fact the author says the manga strays from the correct history?
http://otakumode.com/news/52fc76ef80cd488c6b00068f
>>14491349
Yzak may lose against Kira every time, but he will always be the cutest SEED.
>>14490906
Anyone have that webm where Amuro steal a grunt rifle and proceed to kill the grunt with that said rifle?
>>14487954
Clearly Usso you stu[id motherfuckers. What's there to even argue about? He never relied on any newtype faggotry to pilot his, otherwise, inferior gundam with an archaic cockpit that looks like something out of a 1960s russian fighter jet. He never ONCE had to channel magic through the flight controls to wreak shit up.
Please, close this thread. Argument over.
>>14491915
>never ONCE
>Wings of light
>>14491915
While I do agree Uso is a "Walking Talking War Crime that Rub More Tits than Hugh Hefner" he is kinda below Amuro, the most impressive feat for me that uso done is using the Wing of Light creatively to add Amuro also never rely on his N+ skill that much all of his feat are pure combat skills and the only moment where he truly uses his N+ skills are when he tried to push Axis back
>>14491927
The wings of light were a feature of the v2
>>14492069
So is the Zeta summoning the dead but that's apparently excluded.
>>14491847
If its animated, then it doesn't matter going by Sunrise's ultimate policy when it comes to canon and official works in continuity.
>>14492073
No but the wings of light are in no way effected by or require Newtype bullshit, any pilot can use them, the biosensor expressly requires newtypes and is supposed to power them up, this is like saying a beam saber cant count cause Kamille's 1000 mile rage saber.
>>14489388
Ground Gundams were made from RX 78's scraps. They're leftovers.
>>14492073
What the fuck are you on about
Next you'll be saying beam rifles dont count because the zeta had one
>>14492073
...because for it to happen you need to use newtype space magic, unlike v2's WoL
>>14492028
To be fair, Amuro's Newtype powers weren't bullshit OP crap like telekinesis, energy fields, mind-fucking or anything of the sort that Kamille and Judau pull out of their asses. His powers are literally geared around increasing his reactions, giving him a form of precognitive sensory, and what not.
He's for all intents and purposes a hyper-sensitive twitch-reacting death machine on speed. But I agree, the dude gets shit done, and not even Usso or Seabook or even Tobiah can really compare to him on a pure skill level or technical knowledge when it comes to curbstomping through opponents.
>>14487954
Yazan. He kills people and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>14492387
I always did love the battles in the home stretch of the series, where Amuro predicts incoming attacks and wrecks Zeon's shit in and moves so fast that the RX-78-2 couldn't take.
>>14487954
Amuro Ray of course, even his OYW combat data can wreck shit on Tobia and Judau imagine his CCA combat data was taken and put into use.
amuro. in zeta, he literally rammed a cargo plane to asshimar's ass to save char and kamille. dude doesn't give a flying fuck , does whatever it takes to take down the enemy with or without newtype ability.
I never seen any similar daredevil feat like that from other pilot.
>>14492833
How about that scene in Zeta where he rammed his rifle on that Titan transport ship and shooting it inside
>>14492833
I can think of Uso using a glider and beating Chronicle's ass inside his own MS then grand theft mobile suit happened.
But then again, it's Chronicle Asher, and he's a bitch.
>>14487954
Based solely on time spent piloting, either judau or seabook. Some people have higher killcounts depending on the level of violence, but the two of them have fought through so many later uc wars that they have to at least be good enough to survive.
>>14490906
No one tops Amuro.
Man Amuro's so fucking lame and the unwarranted worship because "he was the first" isn't helping. Dudes above decent at best. But because he's everywhere in every series he ascends to top tier because muh OYW wank.
>>14494172
wew lad
>>14494172
>muh muh
>>14494172
t. Char
>>14494185
>>14494188
>>14494210
>best gundam pilot thread
>it's always amuro
>zero room for discourse or discussion
like why even make these threads? ya wankers that insecure over your pick that ya have to continually reinforce amuro's status despite an overwhelming majority of people continually picking him?
>>14494291
>What is the largest planet in our solar system?
>Jupiter!
>Why Jupiter? why can't Neptune or Saturn?
>It's always Jupiter
>Zero room for discourse or discussion
There ya go m8, a bit drunk but i guess it kinda fit
>>14494319
>planet
>no solid surface
its basically a giant space fart
>>14494329
Huh no wonder people went crazy over there. The fact you inhaling space fart 24/7 for the rest of the day would make me go insanely evil as well
He pushed a Zaku II off a cliff without getting noticed.
Asemu Asuno was able to destroy two state of the art Vegan MS his very first fight, with nothing but pure instinct. He is probably the greatest non-Newtype pilot in the entire franchise.
>>14487954
So Domon might be literally retarded, but he did deflect a gundams sword with a dulled katana, and later pushed a collapsed building up along with Master Asia, and send it flying. All of this, mind you, while not in his Gundam.
Burning Gundam/God Gundam may not be built for an actual war, but they both have destroyed the Dark Gundam, and dozens of other, powerful machines.
Being able to do sick fist of the north star style martial arts in a gundam kinda sets him apart from the rest of the crowd. Also, hes got literal magic on his side.
>>14494434
G-Fighters don't really count when comparing Gundam pilots, since they are something else entirely.
>>14487954
Kira Yamato, for all that he's hated. He's even evolved Newtype capabilities, just in the span of 4 years.
>>14494172
>has the best accomplishments, accolades, and skill over the course of his career as a military pilot
>"ITS NOT FAIR"
Go to bed, Char.
>>14488068
nigga he got so gud not even space autism could keep wiht him
he's human right down to the marrows of his bones
>>14495082
Ali and Yazan are pretty much top dogs when it comes to none superhuman pilots who aren't Newtypes/Cyber-Newtypes/Coordinators/Extended/Innovades/Super Soldiers/Innovators.
>>14494434
They don't pilot for shit in G Gundam, the whole system in the cockpit acts more like a VR mode then anything.
>>14495230
To be fair it is still piloting a gundam, but not as any other universe knows it.
But its unfair to compare the strongest competitors of the Gundam Fights because they are simply beyond other setting, when you start with a guy on foot who can destroy mobile suits like Master Asia then it gets pretty ridiculous when he has that power amplified by his own kungfu robot suit.
It is fun as fuck watching him slap down the likes of Kira though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioAAx0z_2jo
>>14495255
Its not piloting, they aren't using any mode of control or input here. They are simply using the mobile trace system which actually like a sensory connection with the MS.
Its fun but its not PILOTING.
>>14495274
Master Asia doesn't need an actual mobile trace system, he controls the suit through his will
>>14495290
>sick dying Master Asia almost beat up young Domon prime
>>14495345
Domon is just a young pup, he still has a long way to go.still older than 90% of gundam pilots though
>>14488015
>but Chars new type abilities are considerably weaker than Amuros, yet they still fight fairly evenly
Char was weaker than Amuro by the end of 0079. Both as a pilot and in fighting skills(Amuro would've killed him with that sword if it wasn't for the mask).
