>>14481392
Why does this look like it's from some comedy web series

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>>14481400

#NOTALLSPACENOIDS
#IDEOLOGYOFPEACE

Prior to the One Year War, most spacenoids outside of Side 3 just wanted to peacefully remain under the Federation. They may not have liked it all that much, but they would have rather done nothing to change the flow of history than be a stepping stone for Side 3's independence movement.

Even after the One Year War, most non-Side 3 denizens wanted nothing to do with a resurrect Zeon movement. The only time I can think of a non-Zeon ideology going crazy were the Jovians. Unlike Zeon, Jupiter was more than happy to holocaust the entire human race on Earth just due to it's leader getting cucked by the Federation in a fuel scheme.

>>14481436
Deikun was a perfectly peaceful and rational man. It's the Zabis who turned his ideals into DROP THE COLONIES, SPACE WAR NOW.

>>14481497
Depends on if we are going off original canon or Origin canon.

If original canon, then you would be correct. His ideology was actually rather reasonable until Char malformed it into a genocide scheme in Chars Counter Attack.

If we are off Origin however, the Zabi's did nothing wrong at all snuffing our Deikun. The man was feral and insane, and most likely would have thought the full fledged resistance of the Federation before Zeon could even form a real military, snuffing out any chance space autonomacy.

>>14481505
Anon, people are branded as impractical and dangerous loons RIGHT NOW for advocating things like solar / wind / nuclear power, cutting meat consumption, reducing or ending coal mining / fracking / tar sands / deep sea oil drilling, standing in the way of property development, and any other number of ecological issues.

Deikun wanted the relocation of an entire planet's worth of people. You couldn't sell moving a fucking town in America by telling them there's a volcano nearby that will erupt in the next 20 years for certain, or that this hurricane is going to trash everyone and they need to evacuate. Good fucking luck getting the whole planet to ship off to tin cans in space so we can save the trees. Also, it's amusing how Unicorn attempts to demonize the Federation for (not actually) doing even a fraction of that.

>>14481505
Deikun was batshit nuts even in the novels.

>>14481588
I doubt it was intended to be seen as a quick and easy procedure. Even before his assassination at the hands of the Zabi's, more than half of the entire human race had been moved into space colonies around Earth and the Jupiter colonies. While I agree the concept of moving the entire human race into space within a span of 10 to 20 years would be an insane prospect, a long term plan spanning over a hundred years could have most likely had the mass majority of the human race relocated into colonies across space.

Interestingly enough, even radically pro-Federation figures like Jamitov Hyman had been a closet Deikun supporter, at least if we are giving A New Translation films any validity.

Besides, having humans removed from the planet would not have been an impossible task. Even before Axis was being planned to be thrown at the Earth, Kycillia and her goons had developed the ASTAROTH bioweapon, capable of turning much of the plant life on Earth into producers of organic life killing vapors. According to how records of it was menioned in Rise from the Ashes, it could have possibly turned all of Earth into one massive toxic jungle within a span of a hundred years.

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>>14481436

>>14481588
>it's amusing how Unicorn attempts to demonize the Federation for (not actually) doing even a fraction of that.

Federation doesn't need to be demonized, you might not like it or outright chose to ignore it - but its presented, since the eighties, as an at best corrupted and incompetent, at worst - outright malicious entity.
Duping Zeon remnants into Operation Stardust, or the Dublin Colony Drop come to mind off the top of the head.
The characterization is consistent.

When compared to it's alternatives - it's undeniably the best bet humanity has to offer, but pretending they are shining paragons of justice is as delusional as Zeon apologia.

Also, the fledgling Federation kicked 8 billion people off the planet. Sure, they had the best intentions and tons of people obviously went willingly, but by the very human nature you described, a large fraction if not most - resisted relocation tooth and nail.
What Deikun proposed, was the fraction of the endeavor at the beginning of the Universal Century - Federation already did most of the work.

>>14482233
To bad A.E.U.G became a puppet to the corrupt Federation after Blex died and Quattro went MIA. Londo Bell had some potential, but by the events of some of F91's side stories, they were as bad, if not worse than the Titans.

>>14482233
>the fledgling Federation kicked 8 billion people off the planet
>people [...] resisted relocation tooth and nail
Can you show the class where it's written that the Federation actually rounded people up into rockets and blasted them into space to be forced laborers for new space colonies, or even to just squat in them because they drastically needed more space on Earth?

>>14482233
>at best corrupted and incompetent, at worst - outright malicious entity
just
like
every
government
ever

Let's ignore the bit of the background where the Federation presides over the longest period in human history of peace and prosperity. I'm not saying that sarcastically, either, I mean let's actually remove that entire point from the discussion, because it's irrelevant.
How is the Federation worse than Zeon, again? What is the alternative? Why does every group or government that attempts to replace or take down the Federation wind up being ten times more overtly evil and genocidal?

The Federation is always the Lesser Evil. There's always going to be some flaw, but there is no point in bitching about its corruption when it's neither any worse than the shit we deal with in reality nor are there any reasonable alternatives.

>>14482256
Common sense.
Earth was going to shit(hello, 90% of Africa became a desert) and they kicked most of the population to basically terraform it.(Hello, Europe is a fucking tropical jungle).
People don't like being relocated, even if it's for their own damn good., a significant fraction obviously went up, up and away - but when relocating such a mind numbing number of people , most of them will want to hear none of it - if you think, that the Federation convinced them by saying "come into space, we have COOKIES!", then your more deluded than Zeoncucks.

>forced laborers
Don't try to put words in my mouth, take your Zeekfag rhetoric and stick it up your ass.

>>14482289

Zeon: Unstable leadership who would eventually turn on one another for the throne of power.
A.E.U.G: Well intentioned, but essentially just a puppet of Anaheim that was just in existance to boost up profits and keep the Federation in perpetual war.
Titans: An overly radical anti-spacenoid group that suffered from inept leadership and using many of Zeons terror tactics.
Axis (Haman): An somwhat stable monarchy that was interested in controlled co-existance with the old Federation Olicharchs instead of outright removal. Would remain stable even without Minevia due to Hamans influence.
Axis (Glemy): Radicalalized zabism. Everything bad about the Zabis was encompassed in this group. Internal power struggles, Zabis being the only monarchy chosen leadership, ect.

>>14482289
>How is the Federation worse than Zeon, again? What is the alternative? Why does every group or government that attempts to replace or take down the Federation wind up being ten times more overtly evil and genocidal?

It's good to know you didn't even read the rest of the post, lol - because two lines down...

>When compared to it's alternatives - it's undeniably the best bet humanity has to offer, but pretending they are shining paragons of justice is as delusional as Zeon apologia.

>>14482317
No one's calling the Federation paragons of justice. Whenever someone points out that Zeon is terrible, the thread is immediately slammed by 10 Zeeks screaming IT'S NOT LIKE THE FEDERATION IS PERFECT, THEY'RE SO CORRUPT.

No shit, a world/moon/localsystem-wide governing body has issues and inefficiency. Who would have guessed? Better scrap the whole fucking thing, I guess. Don't want those fucking Earth-bound elites to rule us, thank god for this MONARCHY.

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>>14482316
>Zeon: starts a war for "Independence movement" by massarcing three fellow spacenoid colonies for being neutral
>AEUG: fought against both the Titans and Neo Zeon
>Titans: formed originally to prevent paramilitary movements, suppress Zeonic remnants, and what not; eventually became corrupted and its leader began their own bid for power with atrocities claimed on a similar manner by the Zeon military before them
>Haman's Neo Zeon: dropped colonies on the Earth but otherwise would've accepted coexistence with the Federation
>Glemy's Neo Zeon: believed in absolute power, autocratic government format, and return completely to Zabi ideals
>Sleeves: terrorists, enough said

>>14482375
Meh, and just like this - whenever someone doesn't wank to the Federation as the best thing EVAR, a guy or a few immediately assumes the offender of being a raging SEEKJOHNcuck.

WE

>>14482407
HAVE LOST A HERO

>>14482407
WUZ

>>14482399
>massarcing three fellow spacenoid colonies for being neutral
False.
Only Side 6 was neutral. All the other colonial governments said that they would stand with the EF in the event of a war.
>Haman
>would've accepted coexistence
Yeah, because appeasement worked SO WELL with Hitler. Haman would have kept pushing, she was far too ambitious to be content with only Core 3.

>>14482426
NEWTYPES

>>14482447
Even she realized a full take over of Earth would have been strenuous on her forces. Why not just keep the Federation on a leash and let them do all the muscle work while she can be the puppet master of Earth and Space? Glemy was unable to accept that prospect, eventually leading him to ruin the entire movement in his bid for power.

>>14482455
AND SHEEEEEEEIT

>>14481497

Deikun wasn't peaceful or rational.

No matter what version you go by, Deikun developed the ideas of Contolism, which is just a bad mix of left wing tree hugging (Earth is sacred, leave it alone) with right wing eugenics (spacenoids are superior people cuz they adapted to space)

These ideas simply cannot be implemented without force (e.g forcing people off Earth). So it's not peaceful. Claiming that it is makes Deikun and his followers irrational.

>>14481497
Deikun in Origin was never peaceful. He advocated war with the Federation, actively fomented terror attacks against symbols of Federation authority and riots. Arguably the most level headed person in the Side 3 movement was Degwin Zabi.

Ironically all it took was Revil's escape and proverbial middle finger to cause Degwin to loose his cool and force Zeon to fully commit to defeating the Federation.

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>>14482807
>>14482476
>>14482455
>>14482426
>>14482410
>>14482407
>Side 3 is multracial as fuck.
Still makes me laugh.

>>14481505
>Origin
>canon

>>14481588
>Also, it's amusing how Unicorn attempts to demonize the Federation for (not actually) doing even a fraction of that.
They did do a lot of that, and the Federation was doing it so rich people could have trees around longer, not for the sake of the trees themselves.

>>14483705
It definitely is more canon than the idea that Deikun was some pacifistic peace-loving revolutionary that literally has no basis anywhere aside from the headcanon of some Zeon apologists.

>>14481505
>If original canon, then you would be correct. His ideology was actually rather reasonable until Char malformed it into a genocide scheme in Chars Counter Attack.
And that was just to get enough morons to follow him so he could enact his plan to force Amuro into duel to the death.

>>14482447
>All the other colonial governments said that they would stand with the EF in the event of a war.
[citation needed]
And even if they had actively said that, instead of it being passively assumed since they weren't trying to go all Che Guevara up in the other sides, that still does nothing to excuse Zeon's mass civilian genocide of them.

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>>14481436
BUT MUH IDEALS

#Zexit

>>14484518
I hope your colony votes 'Yes' to leaving the Federation. Who knows what could happen to it if you don't.

>>14484514
Delaz and Gato are the worst, just a pair of butthurt Gihren fanboys that work to destroy peace through their "ZEON DAMASHI, NEVER DEFEATED!!".

Its disgusting how the Japanese fanboy over them and self-insert with their 'cause' so much.

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>>14484859
"Muh IDEALS! Feddie SCUM!"

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>>14482399
>formed originally to prevent paramilitary movements, suppress Zeonic remnants, and what not; eventually became corrupted and its leader began their own bid for power with atrocities


This what /m/ believes

>>14482289
>Why does every group or government that attempts to replace or take down the Federation wind up being ten times more overtly evil and genocidal?

Bad writing

>>14485014
The only bad writing is Zeon managing to keep reappearing as a serious well-armed organisation over and over again instead of some minor ideology that some assholes post about on UC-stormfront.

>>14483490
So's the Federation actually. It's weird you'd think SJW's would love it.

>>14482289
> Why does every group or government that attempts to replace or take down the Federation wind up being ten times more overtly evil and genocidal?
The federation has status quo on its side. It doesn't have to conquer the Earth sphere and relocate the undesirables because it already did that decades ago.

>>14484904
You mean the Federation. Don't you remember? The Fed gov't is so incompetent they didn't realize the Titans true reason for formation.

>>14485142
No one does, except for Jamitov and Scirocco.

>>14481400
Because the Origin anime looks like cheap ass

>>14485095
Pretty sure the Federation isn't as mixed as the Side 3.

>>14485312
>he's so stupid he can't understand Sunrise animators are intentionally attempting to recreate and follow the older style of visuals that MSG is so beloved for

>>14485188

The guys who surrounded Jamitov ,Scirocco,Jerid,Mouar,Yazan,Ramses,Dunkel and hell even Jamaican knew.

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>They were good boys!
>They diddu nuffin wrong!

>>14486000
>that guy on the left
ohshitniggerwhatareyoudoing.jpg

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>>14486000
>>14486039

>>14486200
Is it just me or are those Type 61's bigger than they should be height wise?

>>14486321
I think their slightly off scale there but at least its not as bad the tank classes in the TE anime at first where they were like 5 times their normal size.

>>14486200
What are those retards on the trucks even doing? Do they think the tank will magically explode if they wear down its HP enough?

And the Type 61 has a double barrel cannon, but does it not have a machinegun for dealing with squishies?

>>14485589
>he thinks that flat, undetailed garbage looks anything like the original MSG

>>14486795
Its just yet another way of showing how evil the Federation is by using tank shells to kill instead of the mounted machine gun on top

>>14486801
I think you might want to rewatch the TV series of the original Gundam again, mate.

>>14481643
>Jamitov Hyman had been a closet Deikun supporter, at least if we are giving A New Translation films any validity.
Citation needed

>>14486895
Only tangentially, he want's to kick everyone off of Earth as well.

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So how close are we to the point where we can say that Sunrise has officially gone too far with OYW sidestories/neo zeon remnant conflicts?

>>14486987
Where was this stated?

>>14486990
When Sunrise is on the brink of bankruptcy and they create an alternate One Year War where Zeon wins. Because that would print money like nothing else.

>>14487013
Zeon Gundam: The Gundam That True Fans Want?

>>14487016
If by true fans, you mean the ones that give Sunrise money. Then yes.

>>14487016
>>14487023
Assuming they haven't all croaked by then (if they haven't been killed by things that aren't old age).

>>14487013
Isn't that Ghiren's Greed?

>>14487048
Nah, that's Multiple Choice Gundam: The Gundam That Lets You Choose Everyone's Fate.

>>14482604

This.

The Zabis were the ones that had the force of will to actualize his philosophy. They weren't perverting it anyway, they were simply fulfilling it in the only way possible.

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>>14487065
Yeah, but it included a "Zeon Wins" scenario didn't it?

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>>14487016
>The people who think Char was anything more than a retarded manchild
>True Fans

>>14487076
Yes. It depends on whom is chosen to lead, really (e.g. Ramba Ral pretty much going from having his Doms to overthrowing the Zabis and creating a peaceful rule).

>>14485582
>the Federation isn't multicultural
>the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT that oversees ALL THE BROWN COUNTRIES isn't multicultural

>>14486795
Whoever designed it never considered it might have to fight a bunch of idiots with rifles at 10 yards, because who the fuck would shoot at a tank from 10 yards away with a rifle?

>>14486795
It has a machinegun, the crew probably just don't want to risk having to expose themselves to use it.

>>14487042
So you're implying all anti-Zeon Gundam fans are whiny millennials?

>>14487094
Didn't say it wasn't, just that Side 3 alone is hilariously a melting pot itself.

>shit ton of hispanic looking dudes
>shit ton of middle eastern looking dudes
>even african types

And so on.

>>14487117
No, I'm saying that all the biggest UC fans are the aging otaku in Japan.

>>14487126
Then that implies the next UC fanbase to overtake them would be millennials.

>>14481643
>A New Translation films any validity.

It was in the original show already you clowns, it's more prominent in the novels though.

>>14487135
>Novels
Opinion discarded

>>14487141
>it was in the original show already you clowns,


Tremendous case of dyslexia or what?

>>14487144
Screen shot of this needed

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>>14487146
Episode 21 you fucking idiot

>>14487152
How is this supposed to confirm Jamitov wants people to migrate to space? On the contrary, it implies that if they wipe out spacenoids and make outer space unlivable, Earth would lose all the materials that are sent from the colonies and a new crisis would emerge.

>>14481643
People moved to space because Earth sucked and they wanted those sweet colony jobs and lifestyles. There's no evidence outside of a few characters talking out of their asses in Unicorn that the Federation ever forced people into space. Deikun also stopped short of advocating forcing people into space, but he also said everyone needs to get out--so how he's going to accomplish that without forcibly relocating anyone would be a nice trick.

>>14487161

Wow you sure are one hell of a clown are you pretending to be stupid or something?

>While the A. E. U. G.'s making all this fuss in favor of space...
>...they're no different than the people of the Federation.
>They're also bound to the Earth Sphere.
>You seem to have an objection, Jerid.
>Are you implying that you're a Newtype?
>I only sense that times will not change unless I do something about it.
>Nothing more.
>Jamitov converted the Earth Federation Forces to the Titans...
>...to eradicate the people pulled by Earth.
>What?
>By starting a war, he plans to exhaustively force Earth's economy to the brink.
>People on Earth will die of hunger and vanish.
>On the surface, that sounds no different from the A. E. U. G.'s objectives.
>The point is after that.
>The Earth Sphere's fate depends on who rules humanity after the war.
>Don't you agree there'd be a need for a genius to rule the Earth Sphere?

>>14487146
average zeta fag idiot sperges on about some show but does not have a clue

>>14487197
Or you guys have terrible skills at inferring.

If I knew better, Space Migration was the solution to the limited resource problem that plague Capitalism from its very conception.

>>14487274
You don't have to be in space to reap the benefits from things mined or manufactured there. They can be shipped back to Earth. If anything, moving to space is a much bigger resource drain than continuing to live on the planet, since now you need ALL NEW MATERIALS and the means of getting them into space to begin with.

There was no reason to leave Earth. Since UC people clearly have the technology for beautiful, self-sufficient space colonies that can withstand the horrors of a radioactive vacuum, they could sure as shit build dome or half-cylinder cities on Earth to keep the pollution and desertification at bay.

>>14487171
Going to post the part where that's not Jamitov speaking and only Scirocco talking out of his ass to get Jerid on his side?

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>>14487346

That's wrong retard.

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>>14487290
>since now you need ALL NEW MATERIALS and the means of getting them into space to begin with.

Other than people and plants, everything can be found in outer space in vast quantities.

>Since UC people clearly have the technology for beautiful, self-sufficient space colonies

Space colonies are all 1970s technology, and yet our real earth has plenty of shit wrong with it.

>>14487430
>>14487418
As a master of moonrunes, I can safely say that it says Jamitov was an Earth supremacists who wanted to kick off everyone he considered weak into space and to then kill them.

>>14485582
Isn't the Federation flag based off the hue monkey flag?

>>14487787
Vaguely because their based in Brazil.

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>Char isn't a bad guy, anon!

>>14487593
nice fan fiction bro

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ジャミトフ・ハイマン

>>14487865
>he so believed in Casval's cause, that he didn't want to risk exposing Casval by switching frequencies or bailing out.
>tfw you will never have anyone who trusts you so fully and completely that they let you betray them.

>>14489052
>>14487865
Its just more proof that the Deikun bloodline is as disgustingly wicked as the Zabis.

>>14486321
Nope, that's about right.

Type 61s were huge tanks.

So how long is Origins suppose to be? I'm guessing more then 7 OVAs right?

>>14490912

No, the next one is the last one.

It's all about Char's past, this whole thing.

Artificial light, artificial gravity, artificial heat, artificial air.

I really doubt living in a space colony is conductive to one's mental health. You're constantly worried about resources and things breaking on you.

If the artificial heating system breaks, you freeze to death.

If the artificial gravity system breaks, you can't get shit done easily.

If the artificial air system breaks, you suffocate.

If the artificial lights go out, you canna see shit Captain.

I really do think this is the true cause of Spacenoid mental illness.

>>14490935
Citation please

>>14490984
Because self sufficient space colonies will have those problems.

>>14489922
Artesia turned out alright.

Casval's just a big ol' nut like his daddy. A nut that wants change that secures a better future, but a nut nonetheless.

>>14491004

Exactly.

You don't have the security of the sun providing you with light and warmth, or the security of an atmosphere providing you with gravity and oxygen.

You are literally in the hands of human technology; constantly needing to be monitored, repaired and replaced.

I'm really surprised this isn't explored in fiction more. The psychological unease such an existence would fuel over time.

>>14490984

>Implying "Spacenoid mental illness" isn't just people ascending to new types

>>14491012
If that nut wanted to nuke the Earth into an endless winter and genocide all of humanity on the planet, he's no better then Ghiren or Delaz or any other psycho who popped out of the Jovian and Zanscare Empires.

>>14491522
That was after Kamille got Kamille'd and he lost all hope. Before that he was a schemer that, in spite of how devious he could be, did want a better future for humanity free of the Zabis and the Federation's stagnant attitude towards everything.

...On some level, he still does after Zeta. He's just such an asshole that he stopped giving a shit about the violence he'd need to employ to get it done ASAP and his selfish, petty grudge against Amuro took priority.

>>14492505
There is literally no justification for defending what Char did and wanted to do, you Zeek apologist.

>>14490984
alright, I'll bite

Humanity would probably be fine in colony life. Stuff breaking is pretty common in our current environment and while concerning, a large enough colony is likely going to have spare parts, backup and redundant systems, or even just a massive buffer of whatever critical resource they need (battery banks, compressed O2 tanks, water resevoir, etc)

>heating system
It's always sunny in space and the Sun likes to cook things (there's a reason the ISS has radiators on its solar truss) and really you only only need heat for when your orbit takes you into the shadow of Earth, and even then you can have a small well insulated space for everybody to huddle in while in shadow, packing a lot of people into a small space would get quite warm actually
You could even coast through the shadow with minimal heating if you covered the colony exterior with green house full of water since water is crazy effective at storing heat and you even get the benefit of extra radiation protection.

>>14493233
continued

>lighting
IT'S SUNNY IN SPACE, just puts some windows on the colony to let the light in.
>B-but they might get hit with something, and get a hole in them letting all the air out.
You're going to probably going to get a hole on any part of the colony if you float around for long enough, just the nature of space. So make a thick enough for most impacts and keep some spare windows handy for the bigger impacts and if the asteroid forecast seems a bit bleak for the next week and a half, just close the reinforced shutters and let the little asteroids ting of the outside. As for breathing, if the hole isn't all that big and the interior space is big enough you could probably patch the hole before the air gets too thin to breath (modern space suits maintain a relatively low pressure) or the bends set in. I believe NASA even ran the numbers for these scenarios and they're pretty survivable. For smaller spaces, compartmentalization is your friend.
If you decide to build a deep dark cavern of a space colony, given the number of people that carry a celphone here on earth right now, would it be that much of a stretch for people to carry a battery powered light source on them at all times?

>gravity
with our current understanding of physics the only real way to emulate gravity would be to spin your colony and have acceleration keep things pressed to the colony walls. Gravity's main benefit would be for human locomotion, physiology and some manufacturing processes. Handy thing about a micro-gravity vacuum is, that if you get some thing heavy enough spinning, it'll pretty much stay spinning indefinitely.
Micro- gravity is actually pretty great if you want to move a lot of mass with a relatively small amount of energy to get it moving and to stop it since aside from air resistance in the colony a moving mass is going to want to keep moving.

>>14493235
continued

>air quality
given enough volume in the colony, it'll take some time before CO2 saturation becomes toxic if only humans are breathing, which will give you some time to service equipment. Worst case scenario if you have to wait a bit longer is to purge some of the atmosphere to space and backfill from compressed 02 and N2 tanks.
And really, sourcing replacement parts shouldn't be that hard to get by the time we have the tech to build large scale colonies, since we can already 3D print parts, circuit boards, tools, even rocket engines with current tech.

And while we're at it let's throw some plants into the mix. Great little CO2 filters, granted you're going to need a lot of them to keep up with even a small colony, but it's probably not your mainstay for atmosphere control anyway. And if you're going to have a colony of sufficient size and duration of occupancy, IT IS GOING TO HAVE PLANTS ON BOARD. Why? Because they make people happy. Even now, a favored recreational activity on the ISS is tending to their little bundle of potted plants. It's just something people find relaxing, hence the multitude of flower gardens and potted plants we have here on earth. Plus you get the nice moral boost of fresh produce and you've got place to go with your feces and filter your urine since the plants will suck the water out of it and expel it into the air for recapture.
Hell you could even fill aqueous greenhouses on the outside of the colony with algae and continuously pump CO2 and waste gases through them if you really needed the filtering capacity (plus you can harvest the algae for animal feed and such if the colony is that huge).

>>14493236
about done

>Radiation
Early space based colonies will probably hover near Earth, so they'll get the benefit of the Van Allen belts to provide some shielding. A meter of water is sufficent to block most sun based radiation (extra precautions are needed for solar mass ejections, but those can be spotted ahead of time so evacing to heavier sheltering should be trival) and if we can generate the power needed, magnetic coils could provide a mini Van Allen belt.

Really barring social issues (we've got plenty done here anyway) humanity would get along just fine in colony life.

/tldr-autism

>>14491030
You're really overblowing it. You're in the hands of human technology whenever you get behind the fucking wheel, what's so fucking different. If you can have faith that everybody else on the road isn't going to veer into your lane and instantly kill you, why can't you have faith in some engineers doing their jobs?

>>14481392
Ghiren did literally nothing wrong

>>14497484
Put your trip on, Black_Knight.

>>14497491
I'm not that dumb fucker but its painfully obvious the Federation was evil, corrupt, stagnat, and a representation of an old anachronistic society that had to be swept away.

>>14497506
And replaced with an archaic form of government with an even greater chance of doing the same? Black_Knight pls.

>>14497582
I am not Black_Knight, the fact I can manage not to fuck up my grammar in my posts totally should make that obvious.

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>>14493229
>did
Absolutely not. Char was a petty lunatic and his father would be ashamed of him for the things he did, and his father was similarly insane at that.

>wanted to do.
Moving all of humanity to space is just about the only way out of the stagnation Universal Century had at the time. Even Amuro agreed that more or less, this was the eventual endgame. They both just had different ideas of how it needed to happen. Char's was far more violent, impatient, shortsighted, and involved destroying the only entity stopping everyone from turning on each other. In comparison, Amuro had the right idea, but had no idea about how that was supposed to happen ("SORE DEMO!" and all that) but the idea that humanity needed to leave Earth behind for awhile is something that UC as a whole seems to support, and that has nothing to do with newtypes, as much as Deikun likes to build up his space ubermensch theory.

I'm actually pro Federation, for the most part, but I'm not going to deny that everything that's wrong with UC can one way or another be traced back to the Federation's attitute toward space. The issue is that the Federation should have looked towards the idea of becoming a space-faring government focused on expansion rather than simple taxation and resource acquisition, ala most science fiction settings, instead of being anchored to Earth all the time.

But this is probably all too complex for a shitter like you to comprehend, so go ahead and call me a Zeek apologist or whatever; god knows you don't have anything else up your sleeve.

>>14497738
Methodology makes an agreement worthless if neither side wants to do something the same way, and in no way does that make me a shitter. It doesn't matter how you want to spin it, what Char was doing was going to kill lots of people.

This is an absolute fact he was committing the highest level of a moral sin. He didn't care who he harmed, how he affected humanity, or the long term goals of his actions; he wanted justification to fulfill his father's desires while getting more importantly, a fucking excuse to fight Amuro one last time because he's that petty and pathetic despite Amuro moving on from viewing Char as anything other then an enemy to be defeated.

So sure, Amuro agreed human kind has to evolve, has to change, and eventually leave mankind's cradle: the Earth. But he agrees in no one way with Char, you faggot.

>>14497786
>no one way
*No other way

>>14497786
That's...pretty much exactly what I said.

So good job at agreeing with me...faggot?

>>14497816
I don't think that anon realizes you can agree with someones end goal but not their motives to reach said goal.

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>>14497786
You pretty much just said more or less what he said, just more long winded.

Did you just come off of a thread with Black_Knight being a faggot? Because you seem to be in Black_Knight thread mode.

>>14497819
I don't think you understand that I know this? I guess that's your problem.

>>14497816
Your welcome, faggot?

>>14497738

Amuro Ray in Linkara's voice: "I am tripping so many balls right now!"

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>>14481392
Spoken like an earthnoid

WHOSE SOUL IS WEIGHED DOWN BY GRAVITY!

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>>14486000
>>14486039
I'm more worried about the guy using a shotgun as a rifle.

>>14498021
Anon, you do know shotguns aren't like videogames right?

>>14498030
>warning shots

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>>14481392

spacenoids are actually anglo conspiracy.

>>14481401
> filename
> not Fucking Spacenoids

one job. ONE. JOB.

>>14486801
>MSG
>shading
Nigger what

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>>14493242
Thanks for the read anon, I believe in the possibility of colonies in the stars, the earth needs a rest from the sins of mankind.

>>14497816
So why did you get all pissy at me and call me a shitter then exactly? You rushed a defense to protect someone whose having the equivalent of a midlife crisis and is so butthurt over his younger rival that he wants to chuck space rocks and nukes at the Earth.

Do you honestly think if there's a hell, Char wouldn't be saddled right next to someone like Ghiren?

>>14498030
You only shoulder a shotgun when ur prone...

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>>14498021
At least he's not using a shotgun as a pistol.

>>14497636
>stagnat
>Not stagnant
learn to spell you fuck

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Gentle reminder that this is the person that Black_Knight and Zeonfags think is the 'Hero' of UC.

>>14498021
Anon confirmed for nogunz.

>>14501147
I was writing that at 5am in the morning you autist

>>14481392
excuse me for yet to watch the episode, but...
why are the generals in background in feddie suit?

>>14502299
They're there to oversee the starting ceremony of the zeon military cadet school

in this story, the federation still has official control and a military presence on side 3 and side 3 has some unusual freedoms like being able to create and maintain their own military

>>14502299
Because there is no war yet and Side 3 hasn't decelarated its "indepdence" at this point, its only 3 or 4 years before the One Year War's outbreak. Side 3 is allowed its own paramilitary forces for security but they are still deputized to the authority of EFF military.

Hence why Revil is there.