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Why is this show so controversial?
>>14468203
Because a lot of stupid people think it doesn't make any sense.
>>14468203
Because this show so fucking sucks it fucks.
But I say fuck all that if you wanna watch you gotta be hardcore.
>>14468203
Awful show overrated by Tomino cocksuckers.
>>14468203
Because Tomino forgot how to tell a story since the turn of the millennium.
>>14468203
Because it used unconventional story-telling techniques and required you to pay attention, and the average anime watcher likes to turn their brain off.
>>14468396
>unconventional story-telling techniques
Nice meme.
>>14468396
Unconventional standing for incompetent in this instance.
>>14468414
>>14468403
Blame yourselves for being too retarded to keep up, not the show.
>>14468424
wew lad already falling back for the tried and true meme bait?
>>14468461
Being stupid isn't a meme
>>14468488
>6 posters
>11 replies
>SMAEFAG
>Using fucking ponies
Eat shit and fuck off >>>/mlp/
>>14468500
>obvious samefag
>lol I ain't no samefag XD
Nice meme.
>>14468529
Says the faggot whose post got deleted
>>14468424
You know, maybe you are too smart and that's why you got it. It's a possibility.
>>14468488
>being this new/stupid/obvious
tl;dr /m/ is split between cult worshipers of big names, and those who judge toy commercials based on how genuinely entertaining they are
While Tominofags circlejerk over how artsy Greco is, all while tipping their trilbies and adjusting their monocles, the rest of /m/ just thinks it's a dumb show trying to pass off a retarded cast of hypocrites, shitlords and marty stu's as a band of remotely tolerable MCs.
If BFT was done by Tomino, the Grecofags would also be flocking around that instead and praising it as le brilliant masterpiece which you just aren't getting because you haven't watched the show (even if you have).
The irony is that we all know Greco was shit, and baitposters are just using their proclaimed love of it to troll.
Because it's relatively new.
>>14468203
It was hyped because plebs wanting to get into the next big Gundam, then it turned out to be a Tomino show when people expected Attack on Titan. So, hatred. Because anime """"fans"""" are retarded.
>>14468600
>people expected Attack on Titan.
Speak for yourself faggot.
>>14468562
>>14468578
>>14468594
Says the faggot who keeps pathetically samefagging his shitty thread.
>>14468578
>a show literally made for kids to understand
>I DUN GET IT HURRRR
Kill yourself.
>>14468608
I've read the youtube comments, I know what the masses wanted.
>>14468594
>The irony is that we all know Greco was shit, and baitposters are just using their proclaimed love of it to troll.
The irony is that you're a paranoid shitposter.
>>14468616
>I know what the masses wanted.
Okay.(you)
- "Hi, my name is Luin and I've lost the fight and didn't stop the future dictator, but that's ok, that ship is really beautiful"
- "Hi, I'm from Venus Globe and I have this WTF idea that war is the history's motor; because of that I've been killing some people; I've lost the fight, but that's ok, I'm pregnant"
- "Hi, my name is Aida and I was useless as always"
- "Hi, my name is Klim and I order this ship, a peaceful future symbol, to crash that guy"
- "Hi, my name is EverySingleCharacterOf TheShow, and my ideals are obscure, but I keep fighting and yelling ideological and disconnected bullshit"
>>14468203
Because it's a mecha anime that came out after 2012 and everybody these days is a huge hipster/memelord that can't let their hate for a show die even years after the show is no longer relevant because hating the show has become a meme. Thank god Valvrave/MJP/Gargantia threads are finally slowing down. Hopefully G-Reco and Aldnoah Zero won't take much longer, but with G-Reco being a Gundam name and having movies on the way, I doubt it.
>>14468203
It was a sequence of things, really, all building on top of each other.
There were some people who found the lack of repetition/reinforcement confusing because they had trouble keeping track of the relatively high (for a Gundam show) number of factions and what each group's motivation was.
There were people who started chiding the G-Reco fans by saying that the storytelling was shit because it confused so many people.
This, in turn, caused the show's fans to reverse that theory by saying that the show was too smart for the average viewer. Once that started, any and every criticism or negative opinion was met with an insult to the claimant's intelligence, which caused people who didn't like the show to see people who did like it as pure trolls. One side sees it as "do you like G-Reco or were you too stupid to follow it?" while the other side sees it as "No one actually likes this shitshow, those people are just trolling you".
So if you say you don't like the show, you are immediately forced into defending your own IQ. If you say you do like the show, you're immediately forced into defending your honesty.
>>14468562
Says the faggot whose mother had a splash conception.
>>14468699
>YO MAMA
You have to be 18 to post here.
>>14468203
Because it has great animation, 10/10 mecha design but diarrhea writing and dialogues.
Also Bellri never does anything wrong.
Never.
>>14468643
>I keep fighting and yelling ideological and disconnected bullshit
>>14468703
Says the faggot who was conceived anally.
>>14468714
That's some nice self-projecting you got going on there, how many brony cocks have you had up your ass so far?
>>14468643
>Hi I'm anon and I'm a retard
Stick to A/Z, faggot
This thread is terrible.
>>14468715
>MEMES MEMES HOMOPHOBIA
You have to be 18 to post here.
>>14468732
No need to hide your desires faggot, I would too if I were a brony like you.
>>14468740
That's some nice self-projecting you got going on there, how many brony cocks have you had up your ass so far?
>>14468724
Terrible thread for a terrible show, it's perfect.
>>14468747
'Sup OP
What is it about G-Reco and IBO threads that always makes them descent into very personal name calling?
All potential trolls aside, I just lost interest by not caring about any of the characters.
Bellri was part of the Capital Guard, but went along with the pirates for reasons, but had no problems shooting down his former comrades until one of them happened to be someone he knew.
Aida was supposed to be a POW but she's prancing around the RC equivalent of the Oval Office.
Noredo felt literally pointless.
Raraiya was preoccupied with fish poop.
The only character I ended up liking was Klim, he was sort of goofy in a sincere kind of way. I also liked a lot of the mech designs, but didn't give one of the coolest ones a kit, one more reason to be bitter.
I wanted to like it, I really did, but none of the main characters behaved with any sort of consistency.
>>14468643
Stop copying posts from MAL
>>14468764
Because some fags are obsessed with pony cock, so they keep samefagging and shitting up those threads.
>>14468612
It aired in the midnight slot, if it's for kids Tomino fucked up again.
>>14468978
Tomino doesn't choose timeslots.
>>14468978
>make toy commercial for retards/autists/kids
>midnight timeslot alongside edgy hardcore badass shit
>everyone expects it to be glorious
>it turns out to be glorified, out of place kiddieshit
Tomino's such a troll that he wouldn't have it any other way.
After all, we're still talking about.
>>14468813
>Aida was supposed to be a POW but she's prancing around the RC equivalent of the Oval Office.
Never seen ZZ or Zeta?
>>14468813
>Capital Guard member giving a shit about the Capital Army
>>14469238
He said multiple times that it was for kids and tons of genki info was released beforehand. And do you even know what airs at midnight? It's not what you just described.
>>14469238
>midnight timeslot alongside edgy hardcore badass shit
>>14468594
I don't even care about tomino and i think Greco is fucking great
>>14469336
Gee, I wonder who could be behind this post.
>>14469476
Stick toIBO
>>14468612
>>14469238
>implying kids could even understand or follow the show beyond "Bellri have cool robot and he good guy that beat bad guys"
>>14469491
>implying anyone actually likes IBO
>>14468203
Because the show is ugly as sin. I liked E7, but the way this looked made me want vomit
>>14469505
Nice self-projecting retard.
>>14468746
>MEMES MEMES HOMOPHOBIA
You have to be 18 to post here.
>>14468203
It's the Batman v Superman of /m/.
>>14469986
So it's shit, just like that movie?
>>14469632
This. Yoshida's character designs are awful, having those retarded faces with gaping mouths.
>>14470380
Forgot my picture.
>>14469986
Can't be. This was actually praised by critics but hated by retards.
BvS was hated by everyone but contrarians.
>>14470383
He's going to murder us all.
But it's ok, because I'm sure he'll fire a warning shot first.
>>14468203
>Why didn't I read the rest of the sources that led me to believe this show was controversial?
I don't know OP, why didn't you?
>>14470383
>that lady in the background absorbing that baby with her face
Terrifying.
>>14468203
On the plus side it looks beautiful, has great music, and the characters are weirdly lovable.
On the down side the plot was written by an autistic chimpanzee.
>>14470431
>On the down side the plot was written by an autistic chimpanzee.
No you're just stupid
>>14470435
>You like stories that are told in a logical and engaging way? What a fucking idiot.
Please stop.
>>14470441
>You like stories that are told in a logical and engaging way?
So G-Reco?
ITT: Pure, unadulterated, absolute fucking summer
>>14470443
G-Reco had the least engaging story-telling I have ever seen. By the time I got to the end of the series I still had no idea why I was supposed to care about those transport ships for the Jupiter coalition or whatever the fuck its name was, even though they were basically the main focus of the second half of the series.
Just think about 0079, and how distinct and understandable the characters and factions were in that, and compare it to G-Reco. I saw G-Reco much more recently and yet I couldn't even describe the story in a fraction of the detail that I could for 0079.
What annoys me is that I actually like G-Reco on the whole, but I still have to argue with you blind rabid fanboys who refuse to hear a single word spoken against it, as if it's perfect.
>>14470480
Wow you really are fucking stupid.
Alright lets discuss what REALLY matters about G reco. Who the fuck thought that making the characters do these weird dances was a good idea, and whats the best dance. I vote for the Lalah ripoff because its cute
https://youtu.be/5hTEzxyC2Lw
>>14470514
Things like the dances are what made G-Reco good though. They conveyed a free-spirited charm and energy. It's just a shame that the plot didn't also follow that approach.
It was a bunch of anime newfags getting their first real taste of Tomino.
Needless to say a lot of people didn't get it, and then got upset when the people who enjoyed it called them retards.
They should have all just stuck with simple to digest trash anime like Gurren Lagann or Sword Art Online.
The same would have happened to Fafner Exodus if it didn't have so many barriers of entry turning people off from even trying it.
>>14470635
>It was a bunch of anime newfags getting their first real taste of Tomino.
I've watched all of UC Gundam and even went through all of ZZ, nothing Tomino has made in Gundam so far has been worse than G-Rekt.
>>14470641
>I've watched all of UC Gundam
All of UC Gundam wasn't made by Tomino.
Nice try false flagger.
>>14470641
>even went through all of ZZ
Is this supposed to be worth mentioning? And you haven't even watched King Gainer, Dunbine, Ideon, Vifam or Zambot have you?
I give not a fuck for the debate about whether it's good or not. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the story.
What was the point of the whole war and what were each of the factions fighting for?
What was the point of going to Venus Globe?
So Venus Globe is where photon batteries are made?
What was the motivation of those renegade Venus Globe pilots that came all the way to the Earth sphere?
>>14468813
>but had no problems shooting down his former comrades
See? This happens when you don't pay attention.
>>14470707
YOU
ARE
A
RETARD
>>14470635
>People who have a different opinion than me must not understand the show
>I bet if I call them retards and challenge their taste in anime they won't notice my lack of argument
This excuse has been used before, and it really doesn't prove Reconguista is good so much as it proves you're an imbecile.
It's a fucking cartoon, who cares if people dislike it?
>>14468597
>This
Wait a few years and you'll be able to figure out how the majority of /m/ actually feels about it.
>>14470790
Actually, you are overreacting. 100 posts in and the discussion is still people literally mad because some anon complained about the bad pacing of the show
>>14470827
This
The show has a really bad fanbase.
A fan base so bad that real discussion of the show is now impossible.
I remember a few times whenever G-Reco was being criticized people actually just began spamming Aida images.
Gundamfags went in expecting Zeta/ZZ and they got Overman King Gundam
And thus began the great shitpostening
>>14470881
You lost the debate in that thread friend. Accept it
>>14470907
What are you talking about? Holy shit are you guys this autismal?
>>14470881
Nice revisionist history retard
>>14470909
>cant even keep up with 4chan threads
Kek no wonder you couldnt understand it
>>14470916
>he remembers every single 4chan thread about G-Reco and thinks everyone who posted in those threads is still around at any given time and those are the only people arguing with him ever
You have brain problems.
>>14468203
If white was the absolute comfort zone for the average anime viewer, G-Reco would be black.
You all know where this thread is going
>it's a "/m/ pretends to like G-Reco only because it has Tomino's name slapped onto it" episode.
>>14471233
This. If G-Reco wasn't a Tomino Gundam it would just be known as an ambitious but confused and mediocre little AU with some stellar mech design, some creative mech design, some stinkers.
But since it has Tomino's name on it people bend over backwards, to see stuff in it that isn't there, in order to hail it as something nuanced and great. It's not. It's not shit, but it's not good, not by a long shot.
>>14471233
>>14471244
Here's your reply
I will never have a Wuxia or Hecate... ;_;{/spoiler]
>>14471244
I agreed on everything except
>It's not shit, but it's not good, not by a long shot.It's shit and I want my time back
>>14471479
>it's a "faggot doesn't want to accept the truth" episode
>>14471512
>truth
Oh what the hell here's another (you)
>>14471547
>being this upset that someone doesn't like your cartoon that was made by a senile old man
>>1447163 5
Here's to (you)
>>14468396
>>14468424
>>14468612
>>14470435
>>14470443
>>14470486
>>14470786
>>14470790
>>14470916
Every time someone makes a point against how the show was written, the only answer ever given is "You're too stupid to get it". Every time. Nobody ever bothers to explain it if they're so smart.
>>14471861
The truth is its all subjective opinion so there's really no point arguing or 'debating' (kek) about it. Still if some anons going to keep on making greco threads then might as well have fun with it
>>14471874
Then why have any theads about anything, if it's "all subjective?"
You are the cancer killing pretty much any kind of discussion everywhere with your relativist bullshit.
>>14471861
>>14471861
Because we have. You can check the archives.
The fact of the matter is every time it's been done the response is "nuh uh that's not true it's shit" or "that's just you fanfiction, G-reco is shit"
Why should I waste my time writing why it's good when you're just going to cover your ears and go LALALALALA IT'S NOT TRUE
>>14471880
And what youre the end all and be all if whats gud? Get da fuck outa here or dont whatever its a free country numbnuts
>>14468203
>Why is this show so controversial?
Gundam fags never learn the lesson. That is there is a fondamental dissonance between what the fans want (the same old cold soup) and what Tomino delivers (surloin steak with grilled potatoes) when it comes to animated Gundam. That is the source of all misunderstandings. G-Reco is just the latest entry. Turn A was controversial as well. It was even worse because you had people yelling that you couldn't have a moustached Gundam and thereforse this series wasn't a Gundam series yada yada yada...
Same thing different centry.
Tomino gives his best in written form, his Gundam novels for instance.
>>14471885
No you retard, but the idea of being able to have discussions is healthier for a board than everyone being a lame fuck like you wringing their hands going "ehhhh it's all subjective."
>>14471882
>Why should I waste my time writing why it's good when you're just going to cover your ears and go LALALALALA IT'S NOT TRUE
Maybe because you're the one actually doing that?
It's just not a good show.
There is a vocal fanbase that claims anyone who didn't like it just didn't get it. It was a straightforward show, we all "got it," it just wasn't very good.
This same fanbase once claimed that anyone saying "you don't get it" "you're retarded" was shitposters false flagging to make them look bad. They don't say that anymore. So all G-Reco fans are shitposters or the show has no fans.
>>14471916
Check the archives. We've done this song and dance too. I get that you can't get over G-Reco, but expecting us to just endlessly repeat conversations for you is pretty sad.
>>14471939
Sooo, don't talk about G-Reco in a thread talking about G-Reco? Feels like you're just dodging the issue to me
Maybe it is there in the archives somewhere, but I can tell you that since it's come out I've seen and read through several G-Reco threads and the only point I ever see supporters make is "You're too stupid to understand it". After more than a year of threads I've never seen anyone try to explain it.
>>14471937
thats pretty much what i'm seeing in this thread.
for me i just dropped the show after like, 6 episodes, it just wasn't interesting in the slightest.
>>14471937
>>14471908
>>14471885
>>14471880
>>14471861
http://pastebin.com/4R2a6SCn
>>14471937
You fail at transitive properties see me after class
>>14471908
We've had discussions several over the past weeks. Its all the same arguements again and again. Neither side is going to change their opinion.If you want to vent and voice yours go ahead but dont pretend youre smarter or more important than you really are with this sophisticated discourse about how g reco sux bullshit
>>14471981
Why am I supposed to give a shit what Urobuchi "the twist is humans" Gen thinks?
>>14471994
Because if one noteworthy director speaks in favor of something you're supposed to like it.
Also if it's two-dimensional, because 3D is apparently a pox upon the industry.
>>14471983
How am I pretending I'm smarter than anyone by saying G-Reco sucks? In fact it's the opposite, with G-Reco buttboy fantards like yourself being the ones pretending they're smarter because they "got it" while everyone else "just didn't get it" and is "too retarded."
And I remember that too, how G-Reco assholes used to say that anyone who said that shit wasn't actually a G-Reco fan, that REAL G-Reco fans aren't like that(kinda like moderate Muslims). So you know what, I would like to know, is G-Reco's fanbase 100% shitposters, since according to G-Reco fans themselves everyone saying "you just didn't get it" is a shitposter, or does the show have no fans since all those people are "not real fans?"
Well? I think this is something that /m/ deserves to know.
>>14471861
Here >>14470786
I said he didn't pay attention because Bellri had problems shooting his comrades. It is shown multiple times that he tries his best not to kill people from Capital Army even though they try to kill him.
See for example the battle against the Catsiths.
>>14472003
>REAL G-Reco fans aren't like that(kinda like moderate Muslims)
>>14471981
>>>14471937
>>>14471908
>>>14471885
>>>14471880
>>>14471861
WHY IS IT SO HARD TO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE SHOW WAS ABOUT CUMPA MANIPULATING ALL OF THE FACTIONS SO HE CAN FORCE THE HUMAN RACE INTO THE NEXT LEVEL OF EVOLUTION?
>>14472009
But that's what you said, G-hadi.
>>14472004
If that's yourself you quoted, no, you didn't.
You just said 'You didn't pay attention', like everyone else who leaps to this show's defense says, exclusively.
>>14472019
>You just said 'You didn't pay attention'
What else should I say? There literally every fight against CA until Dellensen's death is about that.
>>14472024
>What else should I say?
Try "Found the retard"
G-Reco discussions is the /m/ equivalent of the Middle East.
>>14472024
"Go back to A/Z."
>>14472024
How about you take an extra thirty seconds, which I know may be a difficult demand, and explain your point to him?
95% of the time all anyone ever does when people ask questions about the writing and criticize it is go 'You didn't pay attention' or 'Found the retard' or 'Stick to A/Z', or they dismiss concerns outright because they were 'too stupid' to 'get it'. I've seen like two people, tops, take the time of day to actually answer questions because everyone else is either indulging in shitposting or has their head so far up their own ass about this show that they can see daylight.
So instead of embellishing your posts in hindsight by claiming you said shit you didn't say, why not explain to him fully from the first, and not come across like a blinkered douchebag?
Real talk: One of the stupid comments I see repeated most often is "G-Reco would have been good if it were 50 episodes," but frankly that would have just made it a drag.
Let's be clear here: G-Reco wasn't complicated, it was very straightforward. There's none of Tomino's signature "I want to fuck my mother" dialogue, it's all replaced by sci-fantasy and frankly it works.
What's there to complain about? The characters had personality, IBO didn't have that. The show was colorful, IBO didn't have that. The soundtrack and animation were top-tier, and IBO sure as hell didn't have that.
Hell, G-Reco is the first good Gundam series in years. When was the last time there even was a good Gundam series? GBF? I liked it to but it's not Gundam. 00? Please, it's about as "Gundam" as Wing, and it went to shit halfway through anyway. You know what G-Reco wasn't?
SEED.
Destiny.
AGE.
People compare it to IBO but that's a steaming pile of shit, too.
>>14472055
Subjectivity at its finest, as I know there are people on this very board that think it to be worse than all the series you mentioned.
>>14472055
>Gundam Build Fighters is not Gundam
GBF is more Gundam than G-Reco... you could just call the Gundams something else like G-Frames or some shit and you wouldn't be able to tell it's a Gundam show. Meanwhile the first season of GBF inextricably tied itself to other franchises by incorporating references to them into its plot.
Also you're defending G-Reco by saying "it's the best Gundam compared to absolute dog SHIT and anything as good/better was 'not real Gundam'"? Are you fucking serious? This isn't even mere opinion, you are being fucking retarded. You are arguing from a retarded premise.
The characters in G-Reco were as one note as those in IBO, with some of them being basically superfluous. For instance you could more or less combine Aida and Raraiya into a single character since they served a similar narrative purpose. Characters like Rockpie or Raraiya's beta orbiter could have been excised entirely. The vast majority of G-Reco's cast was extremely flat, had almost no character at all, or were wasted potential.
Everything else you said basically amounts to "the show was flashy," well sure, it looked pretty, but that doesn't make it good.
>>14472055
Yeah fight the Martian bogeyman brother!
>>14472055
Your whole post is "G-Reco is good because other shows were bad, except these shows which don't count."
Is this really the best you can offer? Who is even talking about other shows besides you? IBO was shit too, but we're not talking about IBO, are we?
>>14472088
>GBF is more Gundam than G-Reco...
Hold up
You're saying the series about kids playing with toys is more "Gundam" than the series that follows the Gundam formula to a tee?
>>14471244
>see stuff in it that isn't there
I admit that G-reco is kind of incoherent but there is a lot of interesting stuff in it. This is its main attraction point. They just tend to fly over your head if you are not used to Tomino's style. It's a little bit of an acquired taste. Why is it so hard to you to admit that something like that could exist?
Of course, if you don't think you should put an extra effort just to like something that's mostly irrelevant to your existence or watch all of an author's opus just to understand one of his works that is perfectly understandable and no one is making you do it.
No one is actually trying to prove that you are stupid for not liking something. Even if they do occasionally state that you are stupid, it is mostly their defensive reaction to their conviction that you are the one that's trying to make them stupid, which I am sure you are not actually trying to do, because you are only being defensive too.
In conclusion, liking or not liking a certain cartoon bears no relation to whether you are stupid or not so let's all quit being so obstinate and agree that different people can have different opinions?
>>14472167
You're a real dipshit, you know that? This is /m/, it's not like everyone has never seen a Tomino work before. In fact G-Reco is pretty much classic Tomino directing, just like 0079, just like Zeta, like Dunbine, etc.
What will it take to realize, that WE ALL GET IT, IT'S JUST NOT THAT GOOD?
>>14472167
>You just didn't get it
>You have to be a level 4 Tomino connoisseur such as myself in order to appreciate the many subtle notes, the many shades, of G-Reco
>People just can't Tomino!
>That's why people don't like G-Reco!
>when 0079, Zeta and, to a lesser extent Turn A, are the most heavily praised /m/ shows around
People get Tomino alright.
They also get when he makes a bad show.
Something that a small amount of people on /m/ can't wrap their heads around.
>>14472210
But /m/ likes G-Reco
>>14471861
People are just responding to the question why they think the show is not well liked. "Because of it's unconventional narrative" is a rather apt answer to this question.
If you want to hear a summation of the themes and the plot, that has already been done many times.
If you have any objections to particular plot points that bothered you feel free to bring them forward, though I believe most of them have been discussed as the show aired and at various other times.
What exactly is it that you want to hear?
>>14472221
But, as has been said before, it's unconventional narrative isn't new. Tomino does it quite a lot. And yet those other Tomino shows, with the same narrative structure, are not shat on like G-Reco is.
So maybe, just maybe, it's not that everyone is confused by G-Reco's "unconventional narrative" but that G-Reco has other flaws and is simply not that good.
>>14472100
In a way, GBF is really more Gundam than other series.
>>14468203
Because its shit and Tominocucks wont admit it
>>14472233
Do go on.
>>14472210
>0079, Zeta and Turn A
0079 and Turn A are actually rather conventional at least on superficial level.
I still can't figure out why so many people like Zeta but considering the recent amount of shitposting about it it's rather controversial. I guess there are several factors at work here.
>>14472230
I already said that it has a lot of flaws. It is mostly incoherent and often sacrifices depth for the sake of breadth. But it is this breath that I find fascinating in Tomino's work. He does a lot of things that you can't see anywhere else especially in animation. For me that sort of detail he puts in his work is more valuable than comprehensible story and well-rounded characters. I've watched enough of his stuff to know what kind of stories he writes and how his characters think so why waste time to explain something simple like this. Of course , I can understand why most people would think showing that sort of things is an essential part of a good narrative and I kind of agree mostly but why not cut all the cumbersome and unnecessary stuff. Tomino's stuff I favor tends to be on the incomprehensible side.
Of course good is good and bad is bad. I like MSG a lot because despite of it's conventional storyline it's actually very complex.
G-reco is a mess but the sheer variety of characters, the complexity of their behavior and interactions makes it unique and worthwhile for me.
Lots of people complain that Tomino is bad with characters and doesn't understand human beings but I think he does some of the most vivid and true to life portrayals of human beings I've ever seen on screen.
>>14472366
>I think he does some of the most vivid and true to life portrayals of human beings I've ever seen on screen.
Conversely, he also has written some of the most unintentionally retarded characters in the history of anime.
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>>14472264
>samefagging this hard
>>14472197
Did you actually read my post or did you only skim over it trying to find words that trigger you?Is that how you watch stuff? That would explain a lot.
>>14472366
So you admit it's a cluttered mess that sacrifices basically everything for scope? GJ.
>>14472385
That also happens sometimes.
As I said there's the good, there's the bad and there's the ugly.
Depends on what you're talking about.
>>14472395
Yeah. Can we live in peace now?
>>14472395
I admit that your mother is a whore.
>>14472397
>That also happens sometimes.
More like 50/50. For every Diana Sorreil you get a Rosamia Badam.
>>14472395
But that's what you said, asshole. Your post is basically "why can't you get it, that Tomino's directing is complex in a way that is beyond you and only someone such as I can truly appreciate it, it's an acquired taste"
>You just didn't get it man
I mean, that's what your post is, behind all the bullshit big words.
>>14472385
That's because you're too autistic to understand real human emotions.
>>14472402
We would be living in peace if you shitheads didn't constantly come in and say we all just "didn't get it."
>>14472415
>Tomino
>in tune with real human emotions
Get a load of this guy.
>>14468203
Same reason as BvS, really. Extremely underwhelming product and adamant fanboys and haters.
>>14472423
lel, ebin meme xD
>characters act like retards and/or autists
>ending was rushed
>Bellri didn't fuck Aida
it's shit
I think the real issue was people like to picture Zeta/Victory as Tomino's default setting, not realizing those shows went the way they did because Tomino got pissed during production. If Tomino makes something without the sponsors breathing down his neck, it's usually genki.
Because they weren't expecting G-Reco to be big, they let the old man do whatever he wanted. He was free to craft the show whatever way he wanted. But watered-down Tomino is controversial enough, so undiluted Tomino is even harder for most to swallow.
As for some of the controversy, it performed well in spite of the narrative ANN created. So you get arguments about it flopping, with ANN coverage fighting against stuff like BD sales and it's late-night ratings. Then IBO came along and performed not much better, or in some places even worse, so that fight got worse as people proclaimed IBO a hit.
>>14472464
>I think the real issue was people like to picture Zeta/Victory as Tomino's default setting, not realizing those shows went the way they did because Tomino got pissed during production. If Tomino makes something without the sponsors breathing down his neck, it's usually genki.
No you fucking idiot.
We know Tomino did King Gainer and Turn A and all that shit too.
It is literally impossible for G-Rectards to comprehend the idea that people didn't like G-Reco not because of "ANN's narrative" or some form of "just didn't get it mayne" but because it was simply a flawed show, not that good, not nearly as good as Tomino dicklickers make it out to be.
Seriously, the problem with G-Reco is G-Reco's fanbase. Because if it wasn't for their shit attitude we'd have acknowledged G-Reco as an alright but flawed show and moved on. Instead it is now impossible to talk about.
>>14472408
Meh. Rosammy is pretty much literally retarded but she serves her purpose all right.
To be honest, I like her more than Diana as a character (but let's not argue about that).
I like how Tomino shows the irrational and occasionally ugly side of life.
>>14472472
Try harder, shitposter.
>>14472423
He's got a wife and kids and a production crew who threw him a ratjer nice birthday party. Whatve you got mr real human beam
>>14472472
You are literally the personification of butthurt in human form. I see you shitpost in every fucking discussion that might remotely involve G-Reco. Do you browse every thread on /m/, routinely searching for G-Reco threads just so you can trod out the same fucking shitposts?
>hurr durr g-rectum
Hey, you wanna know what the definition of autism is? it's posting the same shitposts over and over again and expecting people to not laugh at how much of autistic sperg you are.
tl;dr: >>14472472 is an autistic sperg
>>14472389
for you, i'll even post my old trip for this post.
ur a feg
>>14472419
To be fair the ratio of "It's shit" to "You didn't get it" OPs is overwhelmingly in "It's shit" favor.Source:my ass
In any case it's all shitposting so let's all try not to take it too seriously.
>>14472500
What are you talking about? You know how many G-Reco threads I've posted in in my entire time at /m/? Three. Because it's /m/ where threads stay up for a long time.
You sound like the real autistic sperg, because you seem to think anyone who shits on this show is one guy, shitting on it in every single thread since the show's airing, and your whole post is nothing but "hurr durr you're autistic." You're projecting, motherfucker.
You probably think I'm sitting here bashing my keyboard in rage because G-Reco is so shit. In reality I don't even think G-Reco is shit. I think it was just very mediocre. I'm not even butthurt. I'm just disgusted, because due to G-Reco's fanbase the show is a big no-go zone.
It's kind of like this.
>>14472509
I don't think it's shitposting. That's the easy way out. No, probably a lot of people do think G-Reco is shit and this is also really how G-Reco fans are.
>>14472518
>It's not shitposting. That's what people actually believe.
I can't tell if this is a too optimistic or a too pessimistic assessment of the human race.
>>14472575
I'm serious, I would give a pulled-out-of-my-ass statistic that 80% of shitposting is just people posting dumb shit they actually believe. In fact I'm going to give a little lesson on shitposter dynamics now.
There are real shitposters. For instance in my extensive research on 4chan I've determined that every board has at least one or two super autismo shitposters who are responsible for a large amount of the "shitposts" on every board. These shitposters, let's call them shitposter-primes, basically spam the same shit day-in day-out trying to force it until their shitposting becomes accepted and even institutionalized. They reply to themselves anonymously to draw more attention to their posts and have both a main shitposter persona and anonymous other personas used to bolster it. Snapshit is this board's prime shitposter and you can see that he has the main snapshit persona, then other shitposting personas that post similar things under different names like airbrush-kun or Big BIlly Platinum and also the gunpla thread imagespammer.
There are "casual" shitposters who feed the flames because it's easy and because generally when things get heated you get some pretty clever and passionate discussion because there's more activity and attention being drawn. But for the most part, they're really just posting their dumb ass honest opinions.
These opinions are then labeled as shitposts because other people reading it are either
1) So weak that they just think anything that is different from their own opinion is trolling or shitposting. "No one can possibly think differently from me!"
2) The posters themselves not wanting to continue what was more or less a half-assed argument they have no investment in, so they go full shitposter to further distance themselves from their own opinion and avoid extended confrontation. This is less likely than the first, frankly.
(cont.)
>>14472609
(cont.)
These two aspects, when combined, pull threads into an abyss from which there is no return, where no one is serious, but everyone is continuously feeding the flames because they think others are.
That is true shitposting. However 90% of the time what's really happening, is that people are honestly posting their own opinions and the people categorized in Group 1 label it shitposting, and this poisons the well because you're then starting any further discussion off on hostile terms. And then because the shitposting stone was cast, now everyone can pile in, and they do.
So even though people are posting what they actually believe, it is called shitposting, when it is not, and the discussion is no longer treated as serious.
Why does this happen? It is partly due to the anonymous posting structure and general lawlessness of 4chan itself, but also because of the isolating nature of the internet itself, which allows people to ignore what doesn't agree with them and thus form their own individualized echo chambers and avoid having to confront other opinions. Eventually this reinforces that their own opinion is right, to the point where everyone else must be retarded, and "not get it." The internet has also eroded the average attention span, so after awhile, it simply becomes easier to call others retarded than to explain one's viewpoints better.
To get back to this thread, and tl;dr:
This isn't shitposting. This thread is, I would say, 90% people who really think G-Reco sucks for X reason and G-Reco defenders who really do believe that its detractors "just don't get it." This is how people are, this is what they really believe, and calling it shitposting is just wanting to live in ignorance.
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>>14472625
This is maximum autism.But I agree with you. inb4 samefag
>>14468203
But why did it controversial? Did G-Reco bring uncofreseen plot threads into gundam mythos? Did gundam mythos reversed black history with g-reco? Where does G-Reco fit into Turn A Black History?
>>14472625
I... honestly can't disagree with any of this.
>>14472659
i dunno, i just found the show boring so i didn't finish it, i thought that was the general opinion around here.
>>14472665
But quetion of b oryuing does not penetrate into the question of how or whtehr or not the gundam mythos of the black history as it is visually in turn a is affected bhy the events of g-reco, be3cause turn a was meanto be ALL GUNDAM but since seed that is ot how it is but you could just b rish off because it was not tomino but htis IS tomiono and therefore canon and the cannon therefore says that his is what is happerning inside fater the itmeline that THIS IS HAPPENING IN.
>>14472667
Are you drunk? Or is this Tomino dialogue?
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>>14472667
G-RECO
>>14472672
I am not druink, I am simply statisng the fact of the matter is that i feel that as if you are going to make senser of g-reco's palce within the larger post-series metatimeline of turn a that is suppoosed to ON PRINCIPLE eocnmpass all popssible gunam, unlessyou take hte view that the gundam timeline is not to be spiatially represented as a spatial metaphor in the rhetoric of a timeline but instead as a 3 dimensional boject as a square. 2D vs. 3D thinking coflict applies here as all the ugnam time lines intenset at beginning to end to create time loop curituist whose ends are hidden from teh audience as a postmopdern writing strategy that leaves the tet open to reader interpreation.
>>14472695
You see, this, right here, is shitposting.
>>14472695
>unlessyou take hte view that the gundam timeline is not to be spiatially represented as a spatial metaphor in the rhetoric of a timeline but instead as a 3 dimensional boject as a square
The world is not square, though.
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>>14472695
Spaceboots likes G-Reco? Can't say I'm surprised.
>>14472721
You are educated stupid and are not thinking cubic.
>>14472412
Aren't you projecting?
I never said it is beyond you or that only a refined sublime being like me could understand it. Just that it requires getting used to ( I believe this is the meaning of "acquired taste".Am I wrong?) I never even said that you have to or need to learn to like it. Different folks, different strokes or something. Is it difficult to understand that other people can like something you don't and no one has to be objectively wrong? I don't think so.
I don't think I've deserved in any way an epithet as "asshole".
>>14472672
>Or is this Tomino dialogue?
Where did he say he wanted to fuck his mother?
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>>14472663
False flagging much?
>>14472854
>people who hold a different opinion than me must be false flagging
Exhibit A, folks
>>14472854
You tell me.
>>14472672
ebin meme mate XD
>>14472659
None of this wouldve happened if there were more porn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMlqylv0EgM
I tried to watch this but couldn't get into it at all. The world building was poor and didn't suck me in, it just never came across as a believable society. The characters also were completely unrelatable rarely acting or speaking in ways that made sense or resembled how people actually speak and act.
The protagonist was a particular barrier to me due to being someone who seems to be a genuine special needs learning disability type but is apparently in the military and allowed to pilot advanced machinery. It's hard to get behind a protagonist that is starting adulthood but still speaks and acts like a mentally disabled five year old.
I mean sure Gundam pilots are rarely overly mature and always have emotional problems, but they're normally just emotionally imbalanced teenagers rather than people who barely seem to have the capacity to understand what's happening around them.
>>14472999
Nice trips but i disagree
The world is beautiful what was the last anime that put such love thought and care into its background characters? Though it is definately more of a show rather than tell setting.
The main characters act like real people complete with hopes goals and flaws which sometimes leads to contradictory actions and beliefs.
I enjoyed the action scrnes not ground-breaking or especially clever but well executed and exciting and a little sillu every now and then which i like
>>14473070
>The main characters act like real people
What the fuck? Do you ever leave your bedroom?
>>14473070
The awful grammar, lack of punctuation and piles of typos in this post make it hard to read. I can't take whatever argument you may have seriously when you present it like that.
>>14473076
Do you even remember to take your autism meds?
>>14473139
That's what I want to ask every character from G-reco.
>>14473070
Within the first couple of episodes they introduce the idea that a common mode of transportation in the world is those stupid looking legged mopeds. Why would they use legged mopeds when they firstly have roads and secondly have highly developed fight technology?
Right out of the gate they introduce a detail that shows that they haven't put thought into the setting so I'm going to have to disagree with the claim that they have put thought and care into the world.
>>14473076
Actually the world makes much less sense than we try to make it appear to do in our heads so as not to go completely crazy.
Think of Tomino as someone who is trying to bring forward this point of view.
>>14473166
>Within the first couple of episodes they introduce the idea that a common mode of transportation in the world is those stupid looking legged mopeds. Why would they use legged mopeds when they firstly have roads and secondly have highly developed fight technology?
You have to be really autistic to not get the Xabungle reference...
>>14473166
>Why would they use legged mopeds when they firstly have roads and secondly have highly developed fight technology?
Because they're cool. Why do people ride those dumbass wheeled things when walking is faster and easier? Because someone invented it, and people think they're cool. If someone invented a robo-emu at an affordable price, you bet your ass people would be riding them.
There's also the advanced AI it runs on. In the first episode we see it jump from boat to boat and navigate around those cute TV-faced MS without getting hurt.
Your questioning why people would ride robo-birds over scooters in a universe where militaries prefer bipedal, humanoid mecha to more practical weapons like tanks or jets.
>>14473187
Just because Tomino makes characters that have ADHD doesn't make them anything like real people.
>>14473205
Undermining the setting of your show to narcissistically force in references to your other works is not good writing, especially when it doesn't fit. Something being a reference doesn't make it good, references are usually vapid and mostly just serve to give people that watch too much TV self validation.
>"I get it! I'm part of something!"
>>14473235
You're the most vapid person here if you're complaning about legged walkers in fucking gundam.
>>14473226
Teenagers are weird creatures.
>>14473242
Ooooh, you really burned me good there.
>>14473235
>Undermining the setting of your show to narcissistically force in references to your other works is not good writing, especially when it doesn't fit. Something being a reference doesn't make it good, references are usually vapid and mostly just serve to give people that watch too much TV self validation.
You must really hate Angel Blade, then.
>>14473255
Having not watched it I don't really have strong feelings on it, but yeah a quick google search suggests it's probably not my kind of thing.
>>14473267
As expected of a shitty-tasted shitposter.
>>14473271
I calmly expressed my views and explained my reasons for them without insulting anyone or dismissing the opinions of anyone else. The strongest thing I even said was "I disagree". That's not shit posting. Shit posting is:
>>14473271
>"shit tasted" and no argument
>>14473242
>"vapid person" and no argument
>>14473205
>"autistic" and no argument
Slinging insults around at explained and inoffensive opinions is actual shit posting.
>>14473314
Well, bringing wall of text filled with 50/50 bullshit is no difference either.
You're no different from him shitposter kun, just have more time sitting around like regular jobless neo/m/unchkin.
But eh, this is /m/reco thread after all, i don't expect much.:^)
>>14473314
Are you the same idiot who thinks that G-Reco is a complete mess of autismal characters and bad storytelling but it speaks to you and is ambitious or whatever so you think Tomino is still a great man?
>>14473588
That was me as well
>>14473575
>Calling six sentences with ~150 words a wall of text
>Getting mad and calling someone a shitposter for politely expressing an explained opinion in a thread about discussing the show
Sorry, but get help. Shitposters are people such as yourself that lower the level of discourse in a discussion.
>>14473588
You shouldn't be calling people idiots when you haven't even read their posts.
>>14473607
Too bad that he agreed that was what he said, undermining you.
>>14473107
A poorly presented arguement is better than none at all. You didnt refute shit cocksucker
The big issue with G-Reco is that its fans can't accept that others don't like it. I mean just look at this thread.
The big issue with G-Reco is that its detractors can't accept that others like it and aren't stupid like them. I mean just look at this thread.
>>14473869
The fact that you called people that aren't fans of the show stupid while the preceding post didn't only proves his point and undermines yours.
>>14473876
>proves his point and undermines yours.
Wrong on both accounts retard
>>14473917
Nope, and continue to throw insults only makes you even more wrong.
>>14473924
>NO U
>U IS WRONGERER
Great argument.
>>14473599
>That was me as well
>>14472999
>it just never came across as a believable society
>real world is full of worse retards than the ones seen in G-Reco
>Japan military otaku are exactly like G-Reco's characters
Maybe you should read a newspaper sometimes.
>>14475101
>worse retards than the ones seen in G-Reco
These people have a POPE for their space elevator. There is a whole religion, complete with curses, expletives, and holy ground, which revolves around the Space Umbilical Cord (that's what "SU-Cord" means).
When people in real life start a church that revolves around e-commerce and start saying "EBAY!" when they're startled, you'll be right.
Until then, the closest thing real life has to the idiocy of G-Reco is religions based around ancient texts about a being(s) that supposedly created the universe. As retarded as it is to commit suicide to kill a few enemies of your ostensibly all-powerful god (who can't be very all-powerful if his enemies still exist and he needs your help to deal with them, considering an elevator to be holy ground because it brings you batteries is a fair bit more retarded.
>>14475134
>When people in real life start a church that revolves around e-commerce and start saying "EBAY!" when they're startled, you'll be right.
Hey, dude, the biggest religion revolves around a dude who walks on water. And it is complete with curses, expletives, and holy ground.
Are you for real?
>>14475147
A dude who walked on water. A genuine miracle. Over 2000 years ago.
Compare that to having a religion based around a man-made elevator that delivers man-made batteries that everyone realizes are made by someone and not formed by angels. It's pretty dumb.
G-Reco's world is interesting but falls apart under any serious examination.
>>14475163
>dude who walked on water 2000 years ago
>nobody can confirm it
>has no relevance to anybody's life anymore
>man-made elevator
>delivers the battery your high energy consuming society is based on
>without said elevator you would be dead or back to Stone Age
I would worship the elevator too.
>>14475134
>>14475163
Oh, no. It's you again.
>>14475163
>everyone realizes are made by someone and not formed by angels
They don't.
They even are surprised to realize that there are people in space.
>>14475147
>missing the point this hard
We're not talking about a place being holy ground because the creator of the universe caused a miracle to happen there in ancient times. We're talking about an elevator being holy ground because Tomino thinks religions are dumb. It was intentional on Tomino's part, but he overdid it. Worshipping creator deities makes sense, assuming you believe them to exist. Having people who believe in creator deities or ancient ruins (*cough*ADESKA*cough*) is believable behavior for people even if you yourself don't believe in their myths.
Having a "Pope Of The Elevator" is absurd no matter how you look at it.
>>14475179
> because Tomino thinks religions are dumb
Nope, Tomino thinks religions are stuff for people who don't question the foundations of what they believe.
That is the point.
And you are the ones missing it.
And it is not the first time we have had the same exact discussion.
Get over it, a religion about the man-made elevator who keeps everyone happy is way more believable than a religion that doesn't acknowledge evolution.
>>14475180
>>14475179
According to some random translations from "Turn A Gundam Complete Record Collection 2: The Memory of Second Wind"
http://00tn2.blogspot.com/2014/11/turn-gundam-complete-record-collection-2.html
>-Turn A has nothing to do with Israel because Israel is a RELIGIOUS problem, and religion was purposely left out of Turn A. Religion is the source of all of mankind's problems. Religion is crazy.
>>14475165
>without said elevator you would be dead or back to Stone Age
That's bullshit, because the elevator cult is the only reason people aren't allowed to build solar panels.
>>14475172
That's just another example of the premise making no sense. They know the batteries are artificial, they even talk about people trying to replicate them. They state that astronomical observation is taboo, but for people who know what a telescope is and how to build one it makes no sense for everyone to accept the elevatoreligion telling them "DON'T LOOK UP!" Nothing makes a human want to try something faster than telling them not to. We're not talking about ignorant primitives, we're talking about a com.puterized society. It's completely incongruous.
>People know that the batteries are brought down from space.
>People know that the batteries are artificial.
>People know that the elevator staff doesn't want them to look at the night sky to see where batteries come from.
>Everyone is inexplicably okay with that.
>>14475180
>A religion based entirely around manmade shit makes sense, even though religions are by nature spiritual
>A religion based around miracles performed by God is less believable
If the G-Reco society were like Turn A's society and stuck in some weird 1800s it would make sense, but they have personal space shuttles and live in a highly advanced society with space travel. So it's just dumb. G-Reco's setting is dumb.
>>14475187
http://4archive.org/board/m/thread/21918
Here's the apparent source of that.
>>14473070
>The world is beautiful what was the last anime that put such love thought and care into its background characters?
Yeah, I remember all the love and thought and care put into timeless characters like Lunar Prettyboy Who Wants to Bang a Brownie, Rabbit Ears McGee and Black Aristocrat.
>>14475180
>Tomino thinks religions are stuff for people who don't question the foundations of what they believe.
So he thinks they're dumb, because by extrapolation they're bought into by people too docile to question anything.
>>14473226
They're not all teenagers at all, though, so there's that.
>>14475190
>because the elevator cult is the only reason people aren't allowed to build solar panels.
>implying they wouldn't kill themselves AGAIN once they get enough energy and tech
Granted, SU-Cordism has its flaws as seen in the anime and I don't think Tomino has a solution for the whole issue, but Ameria wasn't all about good ideals. Aida and Klim's dads were more worried about getting more power.
That was another issue, kids like Bellri and Aida idealized the conflict, but it was all about energy to gain more power rather than doing what is just to expand humanity's knowledge as whole.
>>14475180
>because Tomino thinks religions are dumb
>Tomino thinks religions are stuff for people who don't question the foundations of what they believe
That's exactly what I meant by "religions are dumb". I fully understand that Tomino was making a point about quesioning what you believe. The problem is that he went WAY overboard in making sure the viewer can't miss the fact that the unquestioned belief in the show is stupid as fuck.
And yet here in this thread we have people arguing that the Church Of The Really Tall Elevator is reasonable behavior.
>>14475190
>it makes no sense for everyone to accept the elevatoreligion telling them "DON'T LOOK UP!"
>Nothing makes a human want to try something faster than telling them not to.
... and indeed Ameria broke the taboo. SO what is your point here?
>>14475191
I think it is harder to have faith in something you don't see and doesn't affect you in any way, like miracles, rather than being part of a cult revolving around something that makes your life easier.
Also it is like you have never seen Applefags during Jobs' speeches or new i-stuff day one.
>>14475196
None of which has fuck-all to do with returning to the stone age. They have the means and the understanding to create their own power grids. People are only dependent on the elevator because the elevator people say "Depend only upon US", and the only reason anyone has to obey them is because everyone depends on them. But they don't actually *need* to depend on them, and the fact that everyone does it anyway is the reason the setting makes no sense.
Jesus, they worshiped a fucking rock in Turn A.
GET OVER IT.
>>14475208
>SO what is your point here?
Haven't you been PAYING ATTENTION?
My point is that the religion in the show is far too obvious of a con-job for anyone following it to be believable. One country breaking the taboo doesn't excuse everyone else having followied it for a few centuries.
You swallowed it, I didn't. The fact that you accepted it does not, and will not, alter the fact that I thought the premise was too absurd for me to get into the show.
>>14475208
You are the one missing the point here. The reason that the religion in G-Reco doesn't make sense, is because it's a religion in a super-advanced society revolving entirely around manmade objects, and religions are spiritual.
See, when people believe Jesus is the savior and walked on water, you may not have seen that, but you believe he walked on water because he was God, so he transcends the physical limitations of the world and can do what he can do because he's imbued with holy powers. This is why people invoke God, because phrases like "oh my God" grew out of turning to a genuinely higher power and evolved naturally along linguistic lines over centuries of people adopting this religion from a more primitive society.
With G-Reco you have a spacefaring civilization, worshipping manmade objects. So everyone knows someone made these batteries and elevator, they know people did it long ago, but they worship them anyway, and have a pope, and say "oh my SU-Cord". It's just a dumb shitty hamhanded Tomino parody. It's not believable. There is no holiness of spirituality to it, thus making the whole fact of making it a religion retarded.
>b-b-but APPLEFAGS
Yeah, but do Applefags go "oh my Jobs" and literally believe Steve Jobs and iPhones to be divine? No, faggot, they do not.
>>14475210
>None of which has fuck-all to do with returning to the stone age.
Read some sci-fi or scientific documents from the 80s. Everybody thought modern warfare with nuclear weapons would cause a nuclear winter and we could go back to Stone Age. It is still a trope used recently despite the whole theory being scientifically debunked.
Hell, even Turn A revolved around a regressed society and Tomino himself recently said that Turn A just look far far in the future because of this regression.
>But they don't actually *need* to depend on them
Until they can fully produce energy for themselves they actually need the elevator. Otherwise Ameria wouldn't be stealing more batteries to build its army.
>and the fact that everyone does it anyway is the reason the setting makes no sense.
We have had almost 2000 years of people believing they had to pray or go to church every week because otherwise they would go to Hell.
Does that make sense?
>>14475190
>Nothing makes a human want to try something faster than telling them not to.
Exactly. That's why they are using superstition rather than a rational approach.
If you explain to someone logically why they shouldn't do something they would still want to do it because people are by nature irrational.
If you raise them believing that booo something bad will happen if you do X they will conform to this opinion without ever questioning it or even considering questioning it.
People are not all-powerful and omniscient.
Do you realize that you never really questioned 99.9% of the thing that you actually believe and take as granted? That you just picked them up by observation of other people or were taught to believe them as a child without ever doubting them?
If you sat dawn and started thinking about everything that came along your way it would take you a lifetime and you would eventually go crazy anyway.
What exactly do you think that religion is? It's not about holy powers or subliminal messages. You are too used the concept of creational myths but a religion is not necessarily that. It's just a bunch of superstitions people use to rationalize the world around them.
>>14475224
>is because it's a religion in a super-advanced society revolving entirely around manmade objects, and religions are spiritual.
Are you kidding me?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
I don't follow this argument.
G-Reco's premise is that Earth's civilization was destroyed and humanity was nearly wiped out. The only thing left standing was the Elevator, which managed to get up and running once again, delivering energy to the people. The survivors lost their history and worshipped the tower as something they didn't understand, and eventually a religion built up that recognized that the energy supplied by the tower system could be mis-used, so they used religious dogma to make people superstitious and fearful of messing with it or breaking any of the "rules". This lasts a thousand years or so but turns out human nature is irrepressible and the neighbouring countries like Ameria start breaking all the taboos and want to take control of the elevator. They very well could have just pushed the Guard aside but the Capital Army reacted to their militarization and used their tech to make weapons and a new war started.
The show established that there are both people who believe in the superstitions of SU-Cordism and people who don't, and that conflict over the tower was inevitable even with the religious buffer.
It's not trying to say that the religious angle is perfect but that it's a flawed response that won't last. Ultimately it took people realizing that the system needed to be maintained regardless of belief in magic or curses to defend it, but who knows if that'll even be enough.
>>14475224
>With G-Reco you have a spacefaring civilization, worshipping manmade objects.
And with Jesus you have people worshiping a man-made stick because man-made stories said something about the dude walking on water.
>So everyone knows someone made these batteries
Not really. They never questioned what REALLY was behind the batteries.
Just like Christians don't question what is behind the Sacramental bread. That is man-made too. But it is a symbol. Just like the elevator.
Tominofags are basically hipsters who believe it's different so it's good.
The whole space elevator pope thing is no different in role from something like, say, being CEO of the Paradigm Corporation in Big O or New Tesla Energy in Dimension W or whoever manufactures Shizuma Drives in Giant Robo. He's just a guy who has incredible influence because he is the face of the organization that controls the resource society revolves around.
The problem is that Tomino made it a religion, which doesn't make sense in the context of the society he himself created. He went too far, because, like it's been said, Tomino thinks religion is stupid so he had to go and make it really fucking stupid since Tomino, contrary to popular belief, is not subtle but in fact incredibly, blunderingly hamfisted in his delivery of his beliefs(see: Raraiya just screaming "YOU GUYS ARE THE REASON EVERYTHING SUCKS!!!" at the end).
Now even though Tomino's fake religion is retarded, it's quirky and different, so Tominofags believe it must be good, even though it is quite stupid.
>>14475230
Are you not aware of what Flying Spaghetti Monster is? Are you pretending to be retarded? People don't legitimately believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster.
>>14475236
Yes, and they believe this because they believe Jesus is GOD. Everyone knows the space elevator is not God, but it's got a pope and epithets. It's retarded.
>Christians don't question what is behind the Sacramental bread
Are you fucking serious?
>>14475226
>people believing they had to pray or go to church every week because otherwise they would go to Hell.
>Does that make sense?
It's believable behavior, yes. I don't believe what those people believe, but considering how frightening the idea of death is, people finding comfort in groups claiming to have ancient prophecies that ease their mind about what happens after they die is believable human behavior. People using that fear of death as both positive and negative reinforcement of what they want you to do (Do THIS and you'll be rewtruarded after death, do THAT and you'll be punished after death) is a logical exploitation of the trust gained from easing people's minds about the great mystery that is death.
Elevators and batteries don't even remotely compare to the threats and promises of real-world religions. It's a hamfisted parody at best.
>>14475236
>They never questioned what REALLY was behind the batteries.
You didn't pay attention. The Amerians said that the secret of the batteries manufacture should be public, and that they've tried to dismantle them to see how they work.
>SU-Cordism was intentionally made to be stupid as fuck on purpose
>People still try to defend it as logical
>>14475244
>The Amerians
One faction interested in gaining more power.
Did Bellri do it? Nope, and Bellri is supposed to be your average guy.
>>14475234
You're mistaken.
The history of Capital Tower's construction is part of high-school level history class. Watch the first episode, Belliri's answer about the Under-nut clearly shows that they recall the construction of the elevator. It's not a relic of the past, it's a modern structure.
>>14475248
>>14475244
Also Ameria was riding the whole "We discovered there are people in space! We must defend ourselves!". Well duh, took you long enough to realize there are people in space.
And that is something the Space-Pope jokes about too.
>>14475239
>Are you fucking serious?
Are you? It is a man-made piece of bread. It is a symbol, just like the elevator.
>>14475248
>Belliri is supposed to be your average guy
Belliri is a myopic idiot. That's the entire problem: G-Reco is populated by morons who believe something that is a couple of orders of magnitude more contrived than any irl religion.
That is exactly what I meant when I said the premise is stupid.
>>14475245
>>People still try to defend it as logical
Not logical because the same people are pointing out that real religions are illogical, but believable in fiction.
>>14475224
>religions are spiritual
I think this is the major mistake you are making. Religions are not necessarily spiritual. SU-Cordism is not spiritual and neither is it intended to be.
>>14475255
No, you fucking retard.
It's hilarious because now I get to pull out the "you don't get it" card against a G-Reco fag. You don't get it. You don't get it at all.
The reason Christians eat the wafer is because it represents a covenant with God, to follow the teachings of a man they believe was divine, was so divine he was actually an omnipotent God in the flesh.
So they know why they do it, and they do it because it has a deep spiritual meaning.
Worshipping an elevator is not on that level. The elevator religion has no spiritual aspect, so it shouldn't even qualify as a religion, but it is in the show a serious religion. And also fucking stupid.
Now I know exactly how you think, and you are probably smirking going "but they're both the same because religion is stupid!1!! You just don't think so because you're Christian or something! Atheism forever!!!" No, it's just really dumb and there is no comparison.
>>14475263
>Religions are not necessarily spiritual
Actually, they are.
>>14475271
>now I get to pull out the "you don't get it" card against a G-Reco fag
The moment every G-Reco hater was waiting for!
>>14475263
He's not making a mistake.
He's saying that SU-Cord having followers would be more believable if there was some spiritualism gluing all the hokum-pokum together.
The fact that it doesn't even have spiritual aspects is why it makes no sense that people view it as a religion, yell "Oh my SU-Cord!", talk about curses, blah, blah, blah.
>>14475271
>The elevator religion has no spiritual aspect
It has. It is supposed to make people avoid the mistakes made in the past.
Just like you avoid Hell if you are a good guy.
> they're both the same because religion is stupid!1!!
Actually nope. I was thinking they share some common point because both crumble once you deeply question the reality around you and because both have been used to manipulate masses one way or another.
>>14475275
Not him, but there's a significant difference between hating the show and just hating the smug assholes that insult you for not liking the show.
I don't hate the show, I just found it kinda disappointing. Arrogant Rectards, on the other hand, those are something I can feel hate for.
>>14475251
No, it was built ages ago. Bellri and the cadets are familiar with its construction because the Capital Guard serve as repairmen.
>>14475283
>because both crumble once you deeply question the reality around you
You don't need to deeply question the elevator, though. You need to deeply, DEEPLY, shove your head up your ass to buy into it in the first place.
>>14475251
>The history of Capital Tower's construction is part of high-school level history class.
>It's not a relic of the past, it's a modern structure.
We study Egyptian pyramids in high-school too.
>>14475275
I don't hate G-Reco though. I thought it was really mediocre. It merely is cursed with an insufferable fanbase that has turned it into the Emperor's New Clothes of anime, where idiots see things in it that aren't there while ignoring its obvious flaws.
>>14475283
>It has. It is supposed to make people avoid the mistakes made in the past.
That's not spirituality at all. Do you even know what "spiritual" means?
>These are the guys who claim that they are the smart guys who "get it" and everyone else is dumb and "doesn't get it"
>all this fuss over a fictional religion
>people ignore the Emperor was worshiped as divine until less than 70 years ago
He was man-made too, guys.
>SU-Cord makes no sense
I think that this thread clearly proves that there are people out there who will believe absolutely any line of bullshit you throw at them.Even G-Reco's plot.
>>14475295
Woman-made, you misogynist!
>>14475297
Well, my bad, you got me there.
>>14475295
>He was man-made too, guys
Bullshit. His parents were gods, too.
>>14475239
>Tomino thinks religion is stupid so he had to go and make it really fucking stupid
Aren't you projecting a little bit too much. Fiction tends to be exaggerated as a rule but SU-Cordism is not intended as a caricature. Maybe Tomino actually thinks people are just that stupid. Take this as you wish. I think he makes a pretty good case out of it.
>he is blunderingly hamfisted in his delivery of his beliefs
I don't think anybody with a half brain ever disputed that. He is shamelessly cheesy in pushing his own ideas and that always comes on the foreground for him.
The subtlety lies in his characterization and his portrayal of human behavior and relationships and this is why most people that like him actually like him.
Learn to make that difference.
Why did Tomino made G-Reco as a Gundam show?
It wouldn't get as much attention, sure, but it wouldn't make such a shitstorm either.
>>14475277
No. It's about superstition. Is superstition spiritual?
It's not supposed to explain the meaning of life or elevate the soul or something.
>>14475304
>>Tomino thinks religion is stupid so he had to go and make it really fucking stupid
>Aren't you projecting a little bit too much
No, you are the one projecting. Tomino does think religion is stupid. See: >>14475187
And Tomino did make SU-Cordism really fucking stupid. He went overboard. And I know he went overboard, because Tomino is a hamfisted asshole who feels the need to make his points very obviously. This is the reason characters dump exposition so much in G-Reco. This is the reason Raraiya shouts the message of G-Reco at the end, the same tired Tominoism that adults fucked it all up and you gotta kill all those warmongers etc., it's the reason Mask screams his asshurt about how Bellri is everything wrong with the world to deliver his motivations for going so hard after him, it's the reason SU-Cordism is so dumb even its own Pope cracks jokes about it. This is how Tomino is. Because Tomino is not subtle. He is unsubtle, he just has a Bethesda-like fanbase of cockrider apologists like you.
So I am not projecting. YOU are projecting. I am working on facts.
>I don't think anybody with a half brain ever disputed that. He is shamelessly cheesy in pushing his own ideas and that always comes on the foreground for him.
The subtlety lies in his characterization and his portrayal of human behavior and relationships and this is why most people that like him actually like him.
Learn to make that difference.
Who fucking cares, retard? I never said anything about the subtlety of his portrayal and characterization, did I? I was talking about SU-Cordism being stupid as fuck, which, apparently, you don't even dispute. So why are you trying to condescend to me about some shit I didn't even say?
Good job blowing your own argument apart to argue against some shit I never said and don't care about, moron.
>>14475304
>The subtlety lies in his characterization and his portrayal of human behavior and relationships
Oh, shove that line of reasoning up your ass, no it doesn't. That's only ever been parroted ever since this show aired.
>>14475312
>Why did Tomino made G-Reco as a Gundam show?
Probably because Bandai wouldn't give him money for any other stuff.
I don't think they made a whole lot of money from Brain Powerd and King Gainer.
>>14475315
>No. It's about superstition. Is superstition spiritual?
Yeah it actually is.
>>14475312
Because if it didn't have the Gundam name attached to it, no one would care except level 12 Tomino autists and 40 year old gunota.
>>14475317
Not him but please calm down.
>>14475324
I'm completely calm, I just have an aggressive writing style.
Rather than "Why is G-Reco controversial?" I would ask why people have such polarizing opinions of it.
>>14475325
Your writing style lowers the readability and quality of your post.
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The religion is pretty much just a simplified concept. Take a look at the artwork in the cathedral right at the start, it's a wonderful clusterfuck of imagery.
It serves a purpose to the narrative, being "the concept of traditional knowledge that is passed down". It's presented as bad (silly rules that bog down the system) and good (people are cautious around potentially dangerous new technology).
It's like the Kuntala. The Kuntala are exaggerated and free of specific markers. There's no way for anyone in the audience to actually differentiate a Kuntala, because it's a simplified concept of racism and class-based discrimination melded into one. It's presented in two different contexts (Noredo rejecting her label and prejudice from others and acting as an equal vs Mask using his prejudiced heritage as a crutch and a means to feed his inferiority complex).
It's the same with remilitarization(CA were able to repel invaders but led to their own aggressions), monopolies (solar batteries create inequality but discourage war), ambition (G-IT are antagonists but Klim is a protagonist), etc the show gives you good and bad examples to flesh out how multicoloured the world is.
>>14475327
How about you address the argument instead of bitching about tone?
>>14475271
So you are just some angry Christianfag that is butthurt because Tomino is shitting on his religion(please, no comments on this)?
It's OK. People can't understand everything around them so they need to believe stuff. Nothing wrong with that or rather it can't be helped.
But you are right that SU-cordism is not on the level of Chrisianity. It's not "spiritual".It's not about the soul. It's just a bunch of superstitions that are supposed to stop people from doing stuff that they souldn't do. It that sense it's pretty narrow.
Still, think of it from economical perspective. Wouldn't it be profitable to have a figure of authority or a symbol that represents those superstitions so as to make a deeper impression on people and thus ensure their monopoly on photon batteries?
Isn't SU-Cordism just Black History?
It serves the same purpose, weapons are bad.
>>14475328
I just now realized that the chapel has images from all over the world. Like literally from India to Egypt.
>>14475283
>both crumble once you deeply question the reality around you
Good point. And the whole idea of the show is that people don't really LIKE to question reality.
I always figured that the "THE WORLD IS NOT SQUARE" line that gets post a lot around here was said in a big battle probably towards the end of the series in response to a villain expressing an overly simplistic black/white view of the world and its people.
Then I watched the show and it was just randomly in the first couple episodes and came out of nowhere with no context. Gonna admit having now seen it i'm siding with the crowd that thinks it was pretty fucking dumb.
>>14475335
>So you are just some angry Christianfag that is butthurt because Tomino is shitting on his religion(please, no comments on this)?
No, it's just really dumb and unbelievable even in the setting. What are you even saying? Hypothetically if I was a Christian that somehow makes it less valid? There is a spiritual aspect to religion, that there is not in SU-Cord, which makes SU-Cord especially stupid.
No one has been able to address how the lack of spirituality in SU-Cord means there is no foothold whatsoever for such a belief system to become a religion, except some retard who thinks religions don't have to be spiritual even though that's the entire point of them.
>>14475347
>and came out of nowhere with no context.
Bellri saying Aida should stop being a pirate because it is bad?
>>14475331
Because it's difficult take you seriously when your post is buffed with insults, you come off as puerile.
>And Tomino did make SU-Cordism really fucking stupid. He went overboard. And I know he went overboard, because Tomino is a hamfisted asshole who feels the need to make his points very obviously.
Did this mean you think Tomino made SU-Cordism stupid because he's an asshole?
>>14475335
>Wouldn't it be profitable to have a figure of authority or a symbol that represents those superstitions so as to make a deeper impression on people and thus ensure their monopoly on photon batteries?
The Pope?
>>14475352
You know that bitching about tone is among the lowest forms of argument, right?
You haven't actually made a single point against anything I've said. All you have done is bitch about tone. Are you a middle aged woman or something and my tone on this internet forum is hurting your fee-fees? Am I supposed to take YOU seriously when instead of actually arguing you hide behind tone policing on 4chan and digress about that and then claim to be upholding some higher form of debate? You are tumblr-tier.
>>14475352
>Did this mean you think Tomino made SU-Cordism stupid because he's an asshole?
No, I explained that it's because he's a hamhanded fuck.
>>14475335
>Still, think of it from economical perspective. Wouldn't it be profitable to have a figure of authority or a symbol that represents those superstitions so as to make a deeper impression on people and thus ensure their monopoly on photon batteries?
Then Tomino could have made him the leader of some kind of battery distribution organization/bureaucracy, which would have actually made the point in a better way.
Instead he made him Space Pope because Tomino has a grudge against religion and couldn't help himself.
>>14475351
>>14475347
I found a better explanation about the line, Aida and Bellri's dialogue before that was entirely about their positions, Bellri made a plan as if he was on land, that Aida wouldn't expect an attack from above, Aida noticed and said the line to show that Bellri was being an amateur.
>>14475352
>Did this mean you think Tomino made SU-Cordism stupid because he's an asshole?
No, he believes that Tomino made SU-Cordism stupid because he
>feels the need to make his points very obviously
lrn2comprehension
>>14475365
That makes more sense, I can go with that.
>>14475362
>bitching about tone is among the lowest forms of argument
> All you have done is bitch
> Are you a middle aged woman or something and my tone on this internet forum is hurting your fee-fees?
>You are tumblr-tier
This is my last response to you.
>>14475381
>I responded to you
>Instead of arguing you proceed to complain about how my tone hurts your feelings because you can't take my harsh language
>You are contributing nothing
>And now you back out while posting that you have the high ground because I insulted you, which you deserve, because you bitch out of arguments while complaining about tone
Yeah, you lost, you've got nothing. I get it.
>>14475366
Wrong.
>>14475362
>No, I explained that it's because he's a hamhanded fuck.
>>14475317
>Tominofags are basically hipsters
> it's quirky and different, so Tominofags believe it must be good
>Tomino, contrary to popular belief, is not subtle
Did you not say these things?
The popular belief is that he is quirky and different and subtle in his portrayal of characters. No one said anything of the sort about his views which are as cheesy as they come but I don't see what's your problem with that.
Still I never said that SU-cordism is unreasonable withing certain limits of ficitonal narrative. Also no one ever said that the concept is remotely original. Read Dune or something.
Tomino doesn't like religion because it tends to make people act stupid not because he is a fervent atheist that irrationally hates everything or something like that.
In any case, why are you so mad? Did Tomino rape your mom or something?
>>14475318
>That's only ever been parroted ever since this show aired
Or maybe that's when you started paying attention? It has been "parroted" for quite a long time.
>G-IT are antagonists but Klim is a protagonist
Best part of the whole show.
Klim was literally one of the most awesome douchebags in anime, laughing like a madman while killing people, and yet he never felt like one of the real bad guys.
G-IT were all like right-wing extremists but once you stop thinking about their reasons they turn out to be the only ones with a reason to shake the status quo.
>>14475337
>Isn't SU-Cordism just Black History?
Not really, SU-Cordism is a set of rules Black History was just information.
>>14475393
Black History is why the characters fear the use of the weapons.
SU-Cord was found so that Black History would not be misunderstood as the glory days for warriors.
>>14475388
1) It has been said for a very long time that Tomino is not only subtle in his portrayal of characters, but in his storytelling, and how he "shows and doesn't tell." When in fact, he tells a lot. So you are bullshitting when you say no one ever said Tomino was subtle about his views.
Now, without even bringing up how wrong you are about Tomino being subtle with his characters since the characters in G-Reco essentially shout their motivations all the time, my problem is that Tomino's portrayal of SU-Cord is based off his own beliefs in religion, and he presents these views in hamhanded Tomino style, causing this religion to come off as so unbelievable it degrades the believability of its own setting.
2) You said SU-Cord "doesn't come off caricature." You are fucking wrong, because it does, and it does because it was meant to be, due to how Tomino feels about religion.
3)
>Still I never said that SU-cordism is unreasonable withing certain limits of ficitonal narrative.
So?
4)
>Tomino doesn't like religion because it tends to make people act stupid not because he is a fervent atheist that irrationally hates everything or something like that.
When did I say Tomino made SU-Cord stupid because he's an atheist? I said it's because he's a hamfisted shitter.
5)
>In any case, why are you so mad? Did Tomino rape your mom or something?
Who said I was mad? You think everyone on the internet is mad because they swear and call things shit? You think when people say SU-Cord is stupid and G-Reco is shit they're all smashing the keyboard with drool flying out of their mouths in rage? No, I just think Tomino and his shitty overly defensive fanbase deserve to be knocked down a peg.
>>14475384
You are literally retarded.
>>14475350
>Hypothetically if I was a Christian that somehow makes it less valid
No. It doesn't make your opinion less valid. But maybe it sorts of explains why you are so mad?
OK, how exactly do you define spirituality and why do you think it is so important for a religion?
SU-cordism is based on superstition. It works trough fear. Isn't that spiritual enough for you?Unlike religions like Christianity it doesn't offer rewards for the soul. Is that what bothers you?
So you have a bunch of people that believe that something is bad because they've been taught to believe so since childhood. They don't have to question it. The religious organisation exists to further instill fear. Not in some physical form through terror like the Inquisition for example but ,you know, in a..."spiritual" sort of way. Is that too far-fetched? I don't think so.
>>14475354
>>14475362
I mean Capital Tower. Technically they are in charge of photon batteries and the Pope. Of course, it's not just that but it's rather convenient for them.
>>14475404
>No. It doesn't make your opinion less valid. But maybe it sorts of explains why you are so mad?
First off, I'm not mad at all. Second, is it that hard to believe that maybe something is stupid regardless of one's religious beliefs?
>OK, how exactly do you define spirituality and why do you think it is so important for a religion?
Because religions are, by their very nature, spiritual. Religions are based around the veneration of transcendental powers beyond the physical. i.e. spiritual.
>b-but Flying Spaghetti Monster and shit
Which is a joke religion, whereas SU-Cordism is treated completely seriously by the populace, as a real religion in its setting.
>SU-cordism is based on superstition. It works trough fear. Isn't that spiritual enough for you?Unlike religions like Christianity it doesn't offer rewards for the soul. Is that what bothers you?
No, it's because, as has been said before, without the spiritual aspect to tie it together it makes no sense as a religion.
>So you have a bunch of people that believe that something is bad because they've been taught to believe so since childhood. They don't have to question it. The religious organisation exists to further instill fear. Not in some physical form through terror like the Inquisition for example but ,you know, in a..."spiritual" sort of way. Is that too far-fetched? I don't think so.
But if that's the whole point of it, then you don't actually need a Church of SU-Cord. It could have simply been some kind of governing bureaucracy with laws to scare the shit out of people. Instead Tomino added a religious aspect, because he wanted to make fun of religion because he thinks it's dumb. And because he put in that religious aspect, it does not work, and weakens the credibility of his own setting.
Can't really explain it simpler than that without calling you a dumb ass faggot.
>>14475362
>Did this mean you think Tomino made SU-Cordism stupid because he's an asshole?
>No, I explained that it's because he's a hamhanded fuck.
>Tomino has a grudge against religion and couldn't help himself.
You are contradicting yourself. Aren't you the one who has a grudge. There is no indication whatsoever that Tomino has any strong personal feeling about religion but you are mad because it hits your sore spot. You think he is a smug bastard that is just trying to impose his (wrongful) views on people though he seems to me like a pretty OK guy. Do you have any evidence that he isn't other than the one in your head. Why is it a problem if he is hamfisted? It's probably bad writing but are you really getting that passionate about something like this? It's a week point of his, maybe, but it's mostly innocent and he has other strong points.
If you dislike his views so much stop watching his shows and projecting your frustration on other people.
>>14475427
>. There is no indication whatsoever that Tomino has any strong personal feeling about religion
see: >>14475187
And no, those two statements do not contradict each other. Tomino is a hamhanded fuck, who dislikes religion, and he could not help but insert his distaste for religion in his typical hamhanded fashion.
>why is this bad lol
Because, as has been stated many times before by myself and others, he introduced a purposefully retarded religious aspect that is completely nonsensical into his setting, and in doing so undermined the believability of that setting.
>i think tomino is pretty cool guy
>you're just projecting u just mad
Seriously, are you fucking stupid? Do you not use the catalogue? Did you start reading this thread from whatever post you could see from the board page or something?
ITT we discover that the best argument G-Rectards can come up with in the end is "y u mad tho." Reminder that these are the people who shat up the board for half a year calling everyone who didn't like their show a retard.
>>14475422
You are just giving me circular definitions.
>It's spiritual because it's spiritual.
>Religions are based around the veneration of transcendental powers beyond the physical
Why should it me so? At its core religion is about mores. SU-cordism is based on taboos.
>It could have simply been some kind of governing bureaucracy with laws to scare the shit out of people
And that's exactly what organised religion is. It's not such a stretch.
>because he wanted to make fun of religion because he thinks it's dumb
And we keep coming back to this. You ARE projecting. Stop taking this so personally. Tomino is not making fun of anyone or anything and definitely not of YOU so calm down and go back to your seminary. It's not some sort of jihad.
Is it so unforgivable to have a more cynical outlook on religion. Many people do that without being evil or looking down on you.
>>14475390
Oh, really?
Enlighten me, because prior to this show airing, I saw absolutely fucking nobody make a treatise on Tomino's subtle portrayal of human behavior and relationships in Gainer, Xabungle, Zambot, or any other Gundam work he made. G-Reco comes out, people slam it for being too confusing and slapdash, and because it was the first relevant work Tomino made in nearly 15 years his legions of acolytes fabricate excuses for it that end up extending elsewhere.
>>14475444
Yeah, religion is spiritual because it's spiritual.
>lol y u mad tho u jus projecting
You've been projecting this entire time. You literally said you think Tomino's a cool guy so he wouldn't do something so assholish and I'm just mad. It's basically your main "argument."
You're a dumb faggot, good day.
>>14475447
Yes, understandably there has been a revival of Tomino shitposting ever since G-reco aired but all these both pro and con argument have existed since forever. You or I didn't invent any of them for the first time.
I remember then clearly from my own Tomino hating times several years ago.
But of course it stand to reason that everyone who disagrees with you must be a delusional faggot.
>>14475471
I'm asking for citations, not fond reminiscence, buddy.
>>14475472
What? Do you think I have 4chan threads in store on my hard drive? You can use he archive as well as I can (if it still exists).
>>14475450
>>14475430
I wouldn't be arguing with you if I didn't like his work. But you are the one who implied that he is an asshole. I don't care what you think about him and I don't know anything much about him as a person so there is no point arguing about it at all. Ideally such things shouldn't even be brought up in an argument of this kind but admittedly it's kind of hard to regard a work of fiction without asking yourself what the author meant by it.
What I am saying is that there is nothing in Tomino's work that implies passionate hate of religion. The Turn A quote is out of context and doesn't imply anything of the sort either, nor does the portrayal of SU-cordism in G-reco. SU-cordism is reasonable within the context of the work and is not meant to offend or make fun of anyone (Maybe they should put a disclaimer like that in future shows : The religions portrayed in this work are fictitious.)
If you want to you are free to think that it is not very likely or believable but it is not such a significant part of the premise that you can dismiss the whole show on it's basis (especially when you claim that if could be remedied with slight modification except you insist that the author specifically made it this way to piss you of ,of which no evidence exists) and neither do you have the right to dismiss it's author or the people who like it.
You are free to like or dislike whatsoever or whomsoever you want, of course. Just like everyone else.
>>14475512
>except you insist that the author specifically made it this way to piss you of ,
Where did I say that, you dishonest shithead?
>>14475518
>But if that's the whole point of it, then you don't actually need a Church of SU-Cord. It could have simply been some kind of governing bureaucracy with laws to scare the shit out of people. Instead Tomino added a religious aspect, because he wanted to make fun of religion because he thinks it's dumb.
>>14475539
Where in there does it say Tomino put SU-Cord in specifically to piss me off? Yeah, fuck off.
>>14475545
>He could have made it a government institution - it's simple and logical enough to see but still he went out of his way to make it a religion (on purpose) because he hates religion (because he is an asshole) and he wants to make fun of it (because he is a spiteful asshole) because he think it's dumb (and he says everyone who believes is dumb and by extension he says I am also dumb and that pisses me off).
Is my reading wrong? Do you want to limit me to textual level? This is nearing autism. You didn't mean something just because you didn't state it literally?
What did you mean then?
>he wanted to make fun of it
Maybe you dislike Tomino's sense of humor?
>because he thinks it's dumb
What's that for? What is it to you what he thinks about religion?
>>14475582
You retard, you accuse me of projecting but then you project that I believe Tomino made SU-Cord stupid specifically to piss me off, with no evidence. You're a fucking clown. And you dare to call me autistic.
If this is the level of intellectual discourse from G-Rectals I understand why everyone hates you so much.
>>14475585
OK. I am projecting. Tell me what you meant when you said :
>because he wanted to make fun of religion because he thinks it's dumb.
Maybe you actually wanted to show how you don't really care at all about what he thinks?
Why does it matter to you why he added a religious aspect? Why does it matter to you if he think it's dumb?
>>14475593
How fucking retarded are you? How much of a mouthbreather can you possibly be? It means exactly what it says. He wanted to make fun of religion, because he thinks religion is stupid, so he made SU-Cord ridiculous. And it matters because...
>>14475430
>>14475430
>>14475430
>Because, as has been stated many times before by myself and others, he introduced a purposefully retarded religious aspect that is completely nonsensical into his setting, and in doing so undermined the believability of that setting.
You should be held up as an example of what the "smart guys" who say they get Tomino actually are.
>>14475600
So you think that introducing a "purposefully retarded" religious element that is a relatively minor part of the setting and the story for presumably personal reasons degrades the writing of the show to such an extent that it becomes virtually impossible to appreciate for any other merits by any person?
Is that what you mean?
>>14475617
Fuck off, moron, I've made myself beyond clear and your method of "arguing" is just reinterpreting what I said into shit I didn't say.
>>14475619
You didn't mean what I just posted? I thought it sounded petty reasonable. Take pity on a stupid G-rectard.
I feel like I'm in 2014 again.
>>14475284
>Not him
Sure. You're a totally different person.
>>14475619
>Fuck off, moron, I've made myself beyond clear
No, you didn't, you fucking retard. You just kept shitposting and bating.
OP here, looks like my thread worked just how I wanted it to.
>Scientology
>>14468622
Says the faggot whose post was deleted.
Bluray link where?
Because it reminds everyone of just how shit Tomino actually is once you take away the nostalgia.
