>excited to watch 08th MS team because I get to see a team of nobodies using GMs in combat
>they get Gundams anyway
>>14430824
Buy a Dreamcast and a copy of Side Story 0079.
what
>>14430824
They're shitty ghetto-rigged Gundams that are probably less effective than Jims anyway. What are you whining about?
>>14431168
>Less effective than mobile suits that blow up by the truckload and have never accomplished anything, ever
>>14431269
>win oyw
>never accomplished anything, ever
k
>>14431316
That was the Gundam.
>>14430824
>Mobile Suit Gundam
>Not about how fucking great and perfect Gundams are
Sorry, you'll never get Mobile Suit GM or Mobile Suit Flag.
>>14430824
Ground Gundams are shitter than any GM.
>>14431168
Statistically? Yeah, actually, Ground Gundams are indeed less powerful than Ground GMs and undoubtedly less powerful than vanilla GMs.
>>14431269
>>14431331
Are you being obtuse on purpose?
Also,
>onscreen appearance literally intended to make protags look good ever being indicative of actual performance and capabilities
>>14431331
>implying the Gundam/White Base did anything other than distract a few prototypes and specialty units
The mass production of units based off of the Gundam (GMs) is how the Federation won the war against the older Zakus
>>14431333
Flag was only "good" when Graham was piloting it because of how autistically adamant he was in using it.
>>14431368
Eh, the GN Flag was a turd. Before the GN-Xs were found, he didn't really have a choice, and he did way better in an Overflag for S1. Obviously his S2 suits were way higher in specs, but the fights were less fun.
Ground GMs and Ground Gundams were practically the same unit and shared about 80-something percent of their parts. They're so interchangeable that one of the Gundams loses a head late in the series and they just slap a GM head on with no change whatsoever in performance.
The Ez8 is an exception, but it's still nigger-rigged together out of spare parts and is only barely better in comparison.
>>14431387
Dude, all the heads are interchangeable. Iino drops a fucking Zaku head on the Zeta, and there's no way they'd conform to the same mechanical standards.
>>14431368
Flags were great when compared to all the other mobile suits not powered by magic bullshit.
I really liked the art direction for all the non-gundams in that series and would pay to watch a series about the pre-gundam wars and shit. Hell, just give me an AU with no GN magic or gundams and sign me up.
>>14430824
>excited to watch 08th MS team because I get to see normal soldiers fighting with MP mobile suits with somewhat believable (yes I know mecha dont work in real life shut up) combat scenarios
>It turns into a generic shounen story with a Gundam pilot fighting the mecha equivalent of a JRPG final boss with the POWER OF LOOOVE
I could deal with the semi-gundams but this? I know the director died and all, but what drove the rest of the team to change it so violently?
>>14431457
> I know the director died and all, but what drove the rest of the team to change it so violently?
Presumably the new director; they really do run the show in anime production.
>>14431402
They don't conform to the same standards. The Zaku head doesn't give the Zeta's panoramic cockpit proper video signal and prevents it from transforming.
>>14431503
That's like arguing that different species can't produce offspring that are fertile because the offspring donkeys and horses produce aren't fertile.
Horses and donkeys have different numbers of chromosomes, so mules wind up with an odd number of chromosomes and that causes the infertility, not being a hybrid you idiot.
>>14430824
Ground-types are essentially facelifted GMs with slightly better armor.
>>14431365
Where is this from? It cracks me up every time I see it.
>>14430824
>I wanted to see GMs
What kind of reason is this?
GMs are shit
>>14434865
/m/´s boner for grunts.
>>14430824
0083 and Thunderbolt are the only times you will ever see GMs be somewhat useful. Deal with it.
>>14431316
Yeah. They won while still blowing up by the truckload and were actually considered pieces of shit in-universe. Even before Zeta and the GM IIs were around, fed pilots complained that the vanilla GM had shit capabilities compared to the Zaku. Hence why you got your Commands, and your Snipers I and II.
>>14431356
You forgot your trip Chigusa.
Ground types are just GMs made to look like Gundams, probably for intimidation purposes, with some thicker armor and an extra Vulcan built in
MS Team is worth watching just for the kickass Gouf custom and ez8 Gundam. Bro moments between Shiro and Sanders were great as well. Romeo and Juliet bullshit should have been dropped and spent more time developing the 08th team themselves
They probably thought the series wouldn't do well unless it has Gundams in it, since the show is, after all, Gundam.
I agree though that it sucks, major lack of GMs.
>>14434900
>fed pilots complained that the vanilla GM had shit capabilities compared to the Zaku.
I didn't know the Zaku had beam weapons.
>>14431168
>>14431356
They have a higher performance than Ground GMs when it comes to armaments, generator and I suppose structurally since they can use 180mm cannons but Ground GMs can't. They lose out by a small margin with sensor range and max thrust acceleration. Ground Gundam still has built in armaments that the Ground GM doesn't have.
>>14434900
Not me, but just know 08th MS Team and GRX-79s are shit that need to be retconned out instead of in.
>>14434900
Except you're wrong because the GM was better in every way, from weapons to speed, mobility, armor, reactor power, etc.
Fucking zeek faggot making shit up
Not only that, the GM frame was very easy to customize and refit, so that it could be easily modified for whatever job it needed to do. They're great.
The reason why there are different GM variants is because, like stated above, they made different GMs for different purposes, and also the fact that of course they'd field new and improved mobile suits when they can to ensure that their forces don't fall behind since Zeon is constantly chugging out new mobile suits as well.
>>14431457
Same really. Everyone hyped it as "showing the real military side of gundam" and it was just frustrating how shounen and unprofessional the soldiers were. At least the fights were nice visually, I suppose.
>>14431331
>The RX-78 won the war
That's both completely wrong and totally retarded even going solely off the animation. Even the EFSF brass admitted it did almost buttfucking nothing other than provide a distraction and get a few named kills. The SINGLE biggest contribution it made was splashing the Big Zam and simply saving the EFSF several hundred lives it would have spent accomplishing the same thing without fail. It didn't win the war. It simply shortened it a month or two.
>>14435678
I think you underestimate the power of the Big Zam. It would have turned the war around. Solomn would not have fallen. Zeon would have made another big rush and forced the EFSF back onto Earth.
>>14435479
Almost like you were watching an anime, huh
I don't understand anyone who went in to 08th MS with that kind of idiotic expectation.
>>14435395
>Not me, but just know 08th MS Team and GRX-79s are shit that need to be retconned out instead of in.
Why would you retcon out something that fits in so nicely to the lore compared to EVERY OTHER SINGLE FUCKING GUNDAM THAT ISN'T THE -1 OR -2
They're literally built from spare parts lying around wasting space and handed to a ground unit. I found nothing to be irritated with in that.
>>14435739
It would have fallen LITERALLY half an hour later when the thing overheats and the I-field falls. Not to mention its escorts were being totally raped at the same time.
>>14435758
Not because you only watch shounen shit means all anime is the same.
>>14435777
It does mean you will never have animated Generation Kill and you should stop asking for it.
>>14435479
>unprofessional the soldiers were
>Grunts are professional
K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97bU4auD_wE
>>14435815
This.
>The soldiers were unprofessional
20 YEAR OLD GRUNTS ARE STUPID IMMATURE FUCKS? STOP THE GODDAMN PRESSES WE'VE GOT A WILDFIRE ON OUR HANDS
>>14435821
>Not using this pic
Anon I am dissapoint
>>14431168
They get plot armor because they use mobile suits that have Gundam heads.
You put Shiro and company in GMs, they'd have all been killed halfway through the series.
>>14435841
Considering Shiro kicked ass IN A FUCKING BALL, I'd say not much would be different actually except the Apsalus fights
>>14435839
>>14435841
>You put Shiro and company in GMs, they'd have all been killed halfway through the series.
But they were in Ground GMs with parts added
>>14435758
The RX-79s don't fit in, their entire premise of being built from spare RX-78 parts is just stupid. You mean there were enough spares to make 20 full functioning RX-79s, why not just make I don't know 10 RX-78s instead when they're clearly superior in every way. Even 5 RX-78s would be better.
>>14436162
Because they tacked said parts onto Ground GM frames instead because it was way faster and cheaper to do so. Also the RX-78 is fucking expensive.
Also if the sidestories are to be believed, they DID. Those were just leftover spare parts in storage. Much simpler to do than building a full 78, and how they were able to make 20 like it was nothing.
>>14436211
>Because they tacked said parts onto Ground GM frames
The Ground GM was developed from the Ground Gundam, not the other way around.
>faster and cheaper to do so. Also the RX-78 is fucking expensive.
If they already have the parts and can assemble a functioning Mobile Suit then it seems irrelevant after the fact to mention the price.
>>14435841
Shiro managed to make a Ball absolutely fucking invincible at one point, shrugging off firepower from an experimental stronger-than-usual Zaku's guns long enough to destroy the thing.
>>14436211
If they have spare parts to the RX-78s enough to build mobile suits out of, why not build RX-78s though? Why instead use those parts poorly and create units that are vastly inferior to RX-78s?
>>14436347
to get data for the ground GMs, not to mention faster than they would using regular 78's, and have performance that normal pilots can actually utilize on a wider scale. The RX-78 wasn't even necessary for what they were doing and they probably would have been trashed in the hands of shit oldtype pilots, like the Mudrock was.
>>14436223
IIRC the parts used in the RX-79s were 78 parts that didn't "quite" make the quality control cut.
>Le JIM IZ BEZTEZT maymay
>>14435356
They don't, but the GM's armor is still less durable than the Zaku's. Or did you forget what happened when three GM's tried chasing a Zudah going at top speed?
>In B4 HURRHURRZEEKWANKNOTCANON
>>14435400
They made different GMs for different purposes, but that still didn't stop feds from complaining that vanilla GMs were fragile shit. Cheaper mass produced Gundam doesn't mean it's as durable. It means you MIGHT be able to come back alive if you're not some dumbass who thinks he's as invincible as Amuro. Though in your case, I'd gladly send you out to battle with you thinking that just so I can see a Zaku plug your cockpit a few times.
>>14435395
Your forecasted shitposting in an 08th MS team thread has been acknowledged. You can go die in a fire now knowing I hate you.
>>14434924
Look at it this way, whenever someone brings up that faggot Kira and the fact that he fucked a whore, you can just remind them that a superior gundam protagonist fucked a Zeon princess into waifu status in a hot spring he made himself.
>>14436347
>>14436223
>>14436501
It's not just spare RX-78 parts, but project V parts left over from development. It's a mishmash of Guntank, Guncannon, and Gundam parts. Not all of it are new and properly working or made to the same specs as this was stuff they were tinkering with. As for the Ground Gundams, I remember there being vague references to limiters, which would make sense if not all of the parts were meant to work with each other hence the need for limiters and governors to make them compatible.
>>14437049
>They don't, but the GM's armor is still less durable than the Zaku's. Or did you forget what happened when three GM's tried chasing a Zudah going at top speed?
What the hell does the GM's armor plating have to do with keeping the rocket engines from redlining and exploding? Even if what you were talking about made any sense, titanium withstands higher temperatures than steel does.
>but that still didn't stop feds from complaining that vanilla GMs were fragile shit.
You still haven't given a source for this. Given that later models of higher end Zakus like the Zaku II Kai were built with titanium armor just like GMs were and are bulkier while not being heavier than the standard F type Zaku, I'm inclined to think you're making up shit. In real life, titanium is valued as a better armor than conventional steel for a superior strength to weight ratio.
>>14437049
>but the GM's armor is still less durable than the Zaku's. Or did you forget what happened when three GM's tried chasing a Zudah going at top speed.
That was the mobile suits literally ripping themselves apart from the stresses of moving TOO FEST for the DESIGN to handle, its literally like a plane ripping its own wings off because its the pilot is pulling too many Gs in a turn.
Or did you forget that the same fucking thing happened to TWO of the Zudahs over the course of that episode of the OVA
>>14437163
and you know, odds are that since the zudah was a zaku competitor, it was also made with steel
>>14437049
>but that still didn't stop feds from complaining that vanilla GMs were fragile shit
No they complained that the basic GMs couldn't perform as well as the pilots wanted, nor could they perform as well in specific conditions thus many variants were developed, some of which were used for special operations or "elite" units (because whenever they put grunts up against an PC or MC mobile suit in Games and Manga/Animation respectively the fucking grunts always Job like their paychecks depend on it)
>>14437163
I didn't forget. But my point still stands.
GMs = cheaper to build RX-78.
Cheaper = Not as durable or as powerful as the original
Less durability and power = Likely to get rek'd if you're not careful
It's a piece of shit. And /m/ is the retard corps that believes it's a mess of special snowflakes because they're NOT piloting Gundams.
>>14437176
>No they complained that the basic GMs couldn't perform as well as the pilots wanted
Considering mobile suits in general were walking bipedal tanks in the OYW, I'm pretty sure durability should count for at least some fraction of overall performance.
The strength of a Ground GM versus a Ground Gundam has always been a bit of a weird point. In terms of actual stats, they're not that different, but I recall that at one point Sanders comments about the power of a Gundam being more than he expected. Also, I realize that video games aren't the best source for details on this stuff but the Ground Gundam is almost always substantially better in them, so that's something to consider. Overall I think it's relatively insignificant but it's a bit of a weird situation.
>>14437178
So by your logic Germany should have won WW2 because TIGER STRONK SHERMAN HAVE CRAP ARMOR.
Zeon lost because they never focused on a single easy to produce base design and were producing numerous variants of the Zaku II, Dom, and Gelgoog all at the same fucking time, overcomplicating their logistics. By the time Gihren realized this and put in place a unified production plan, it was already too late to stop the inevitable.
Also you fail to realize that Grunts in animation and Manga exist SOLEY to Job or be background decorations, be they Zeon, EFF, ZAFT, OMNI, OZ/UESA/Romefeller/Barton Foundation, NUNE/SRA, etc. Their "performance" in fiction rarely lives up to the specs we see in MSVs and other supplementary materials.
>>14437189
>Uses picture of beam cannon capable of destroying Battleships to make point.
I'm pretty fucking sure that thing could take out a Gundam with a direct hit.
>>14437189
few to no MS in the OYW can tank a battleship grade beam cannon with no damage
>>14437178
you were making claims that OYW feddy pilots said they were fragile, they're not much more fragile than any other MP MS
some MS known to be explicitly fragile would be the gaza C, the ZZ gundam, etc. both of which had adequate or better armor, but had weak skeleton frames.
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>>14437222
>you were making claims that OYW feddy pilots said they were fragile, they're not much more fragile than any other MP MS
>>14437235
Is this going to yet another textual version of
>pic related
Because that's what it looks like it will be
>>14437235
nigga you best differentiate between the armor and the engine
which fucking thing are you referring to? you say it has weak armor and then post a picture of the engine exploding
Forget about snowflake ground gundam pulled out of the scriptwriter's ass to please Bandai's marketing department. There's invinciball!
