Who is the bigger sellout?
Macross is better than Evangelion and Anno's beard is ugly.
>>14408366
Kawamori is US lawsuit scam victim, so Anno because he's a scammer..
Well, Kawamori at least seems to be having fun. Is Anno having any fun?
>>14408366
Anno, not even a question. Kawamori's always enjoyed aidorus and likes to cram them in everything he makes, money or not.
>>14408398
>Anno's beard is ugly.
True.
>>14408366
You don't get it pleb, Anno is deconstructing the 'sell-out' concept.
anti kawamori fag is angry. First you make a tomino vs kawamori thread to instill hostility among Tomino fags, and now you're trying to do the same with anno fags
>>14408635
I'm actually curious about this, in interviews and looking at his photos it doesn't seem like he enjoys living or ever had fun in his adult life
>>14408704
It's telling that he's so bored that he actually slept during an apartment fire, somehow.
>>14408704
Whenever I see him happy he's being a toku nerd
So at least Godzilla's right up his alley
ガイバーやウイングマンの漫画家に比べたらコスプレはまだまだだ
>>14408711
He seemed so happy when he was young.
>>14408366
To "sell out" is only possible if one claimed to ever have any kind of integrity in the first place.
It's always been about the money first and foremost. Their positions never shifted.
>>14408711
Geez, Eva basically ruined Anno
>>14408704
What did he mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXmZAja_BUc
AND WE AT GUNDAMUCX ALL LAUGHING!!!!1
>>14408366
>bigger sellout
>I wonder what OP does for a living or if he even works at all
>>14408398
>Macross is better than Evangelion
>Evangelion's bad entries: 3.3
>Macross' bad entries: 7, Zero, Frontier
Yeah no
>>14409010
>>Evangelion's bad entries: all
>>Macross' bad entries: none
fixed it for you dipshit, also 3.3 >>>> 2.2
>>14409069
>unironically thinking TV and EoE are bad
>unironically defending Zero and Frontier
If cancer and ebola got together to form one super disease, your post would be the first highly contagious case of it.
>>14409010
>Zero not being a high tier series.
FIGHT ME FAGGOT!
>>14409126
Zero is the worst Macross entry anon, right below Frontier.
>>14409010
>7
>bad
You have to be +18 to browse 4chan
Define sellout
Note:Sellout=!thing you don't like
>>14409187
But anon, only underage faggots like you like 7
>>14409147
AND WE
>>14409265
ALL FLOAT DOWN HERE
>>14408796
>To "sell out" is only possible if one claimed to ever have any kind of integrity in the first place.
>It's always been about the money first and foremost. Their positions never shifted.
Any artist who wants to make a living with their craft is "selling out". Making money with your creativity is an honor, not an insult. Only the untalented creators and plebs who have never created anything think "selling out" is negative.
>>14409265
pretty sure robokeks would probably like zero more than any other series, barring plus.
>>14408366
Both of them were pandering hard in the very first things they ever created
If you think of selling out as losing artistic or literary merit, neither had any to begin with
>>14408366
Anno gave us animator expo so he's still cool.
>>14409376
how was macross pandering? unless kawamori was lead story-wise prior.
>>14408366
Neither of these men were artistes creating works for the love of the craft and no monetary gain. They do their job to make money and a living. A sellout would generally not be someone who works in anime studios.
And Kawamori has literally never changed since the 80s, like at all. Anno is just lazy
>>14409376
Eva was not the first thing he created.
Hella rude to Kawamori...show some respect neckbeard.
He hasn't sold out as much as Anno has.
>>14409928
But it was best thing he created.
Those fucking Rebuild movies are fucking sellouts if I've ever seen.
You don't see Kawamori redoing the OG series like Gundam and Yamato has done....yet. LOL.
>>14409943
Kawamori has said on a few occasions he has no plans to revisit SDF. All of his new works are actual sequels.
I never remember there being a series a Nintendo DS pachinko games of Evangelion.
Kawamori makes what he wants, even if what he wants is sometimes not good. Sometimes it's outright terrible.
But anyway you can't deny it's Anno. Evangelion is a merchandise brand in of itself. Something Macross, even if Kawamori tried, could never do.
>>14409069
>macross
>none
Look I am a Macross fag on the level that I think 7 is a misunderstood masterpiece, but even I won't defend Zero.
>>14409937
But not the first.
Anno no doubt.
Kawamori tries to sell out but gets cucked by Harmony Gold.
>>14409937
I don't know, I really liked his episodes of Kare Kano.
>>14409943
What was wrong with Yamato 2199? It was a nice remake made in the cultural context of the new century (aka without hilarious levels of jingoism).
>>14409377
You mean he let his old close butt buddies like Imaishi show off their work while he gets all the credit.
>>14410020
>without hilarious levels of jingoism
Jingoism? What jingoism?
>>14410054
>all-japanese crew
>only communicate with Japan
>the entire world put all their hopes on Japan to save humanity
Come on man. I didn't even go into the Yamato itself because at least from an engineering standpoint it's worth marvelling the boat whether you're Japanese or not.
Tomino.
>>14410061
>all-japanese crew
>only communicate with Japan
>the entire world put all their hopes on Japan to save humanity
So standard Japanese fiction tropes from around that time then?
>>14410072
Them being standard doesn't change that they're jingoistic. I can point to a million American works in the time of Teddy Roosevelt that were standard and were jingoistic as well.
And the standard is what makes the exceptions stand out that much more. Cyborg 009 was written in the 60s, and yet it was still a multinational team where everyone was a fully fleshed out character that contributed to the team, no one was added for the sake of tokenism.
>>14410072
no, you don't understand, Japanese people making works for Japanese people to reflect Japan need more things that white American college kids jack off to
>>14410141
Nice strawman. I would have just as much of a problem with it if it was an American work, or a French work, or a Chinese work, or whatever.
>>14410201
Yeah, I bet you'd cry about those not doing the stuff white college kids jack off to as well
>>14410130
>no one was added for the sake of tokenism.
Oh that's CUTE.
>>14410222
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Nationalism is not inherently bad, jingoism is. Jingoism is an overinflated belief in the superiority of your nation and people just on principle, held by people who have done nothing to contribute to their nation's greatness. A nationalist takes pride in their nation and wishes to make it the best it can be, a jingoist believes it already is and nothing needs to change.
It's no different from the people who brag about being rich because they were born into a rich family. What is there to brag, you did nothing to earn that, the sweat is not from your brow.
>>14410235
Are you ignoring that she was really good at finding the enemy through sound? A power that she deemed useless consistently came in handy.
>>14409928
Are you implying that Gunbuster wasn't pandering?
>>14409385
>We'll attract children with the robots!
>Wimmens with the romance!
>Pasty nerds with the cute idol girl and the bland self-insert protagonist!
>Bitter old assholes with the war violence!
>Record label execs and showoff singers with the music!
>Liberals with the UNDERSTANDING!
>Realismfags with only having grunt mechs!
>CUHRAYZEEfags with the Macross gun!
SDF Macross was practically the Code Geass of its time in how omni-pandering it was
>>14410323
>SDF Macross was practically the Code Geass of its time in how omni-pandering it was
And how stupid it got
>>14408366
Anno literally caved to public pressure to alter his vision for a show's ending, not just by releasing some information that expanded on what happened or retconned it, but by releasing actual fucking animation where it's all different.
Meanwhile, the show's characters adorn everything from ramen, air fresheners, and coffee to canned bread, Doritos, and shaving cream + razors. There are NERV anti-slip mats, motherfucking barrels for storing your water or whatever, make-up applicator brushes, and a goddamn toilet.
Plus, fucking pic related.
>>14410368
hahaha holy shit that really says that
also if you think Anno believed any of that shit you're a sucker who thinks politicians believe the shit they say
only think Anno believes in is Ultraman
>>14410368
>>14410378
Anno doesn't care, that's the whole point. He flops all over. Eva's fans have completely broken his spirit. All he wants to do is play with giant foam monster men but his screeching fanbase insists on dragging Evangelion into literally everything. Look what happened to his Godzilla.
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>>14410383
Don't forget the Entry Plug dildoes. They are nearly as lulzy as the Aznaburu.
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>>14410395
>>14410399
>>14410404
>>14410390
This....is pretty funny.
>>14410399
This cannot be real, I refuse to believe such a mismatched piece of merchandise exists.
>>14410410
>>14410415
>>14410417
There is Eva merchandise of everything you can imagine. Except figures of Shinji.
>>14410423
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>>14410423
I wouldn't mind more /m/ utensils.
Imagine cutting your steak with a little Getter Tomahawk.
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>>14410442
Many of the toy Lances that I've had were sharp enough to use as cocktail spears or something, but god knows what's in the paint they use.
Also the ancient Real Model (not a model, the crap articulated action figures Sega made) MP Eva's MP Lance is a great letter opener.
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>>14410468
those are neat
too bad the only one on ebay is the pink one
>>14410473
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>>14410479
PFFFFF! This is too much, I can't take it.
This is the one items you get with your least favorite character.
>>14410479
If you use this, does it mean you like or dislike Rei?
>>14410481
I'm done. I can't do it anymore.
>>14410496
Aren't 00 and 02 lady perfume?
>>14410415
Shit, I'd buy it
>>14410383
Speaking of EVA merch, his reaction to Gainax not letting the series appear in the Super Robot Wars games apparently was to personally ensure the deal was made. Is that true?
>>14409970
>Something Macross, even if Kawamori tried, could never do.
Are you fucking serious? Macross has been going on for over 30 fucking years, its older than Eva and still running it even had its own revival a decade ago like Eva.
>>14410201
America and Japan have a lot in common. Both are somewhat xenophobic and slightly ultra patriotic.
I don't really mind though.
>>14408366
>Reifags are so butthurt that they think a guy who has made a living monopolizing teenage singers into idols and pushing their voices to promote shitty music and waifus in his anime is less of a sellout than a guy doing what he likes and using his money to help his bros pursue their own projects.
>>14410605
It wasn't Gainax, it was the rest of the owners. The story of how Evangelion came to be is... complicated. For many years it was owned by Gainax, Tatsunoko, Sega, TV Tokyo and King Records, and if one of them didn't want something related to the merchandise Gainax had to comply. Sega supposedly blocked Eva from getting in SRW 4 because it was a Famicom tittle.
>>14410671
>monopolizing teenage singers into idols
Someone screencap that entire post; it proves just how completely retarded Assuckerfags are.
>>14410383
>Look what happened to his Godzilla.
>>14411061
they had an April Fools of Godzilla vs Eva then they had a bunch of merchandise and now we'll have Godzilla x Eva merchandise for a while
>>14410634
He has never been able to merchandise it on the level Gainax did with Eva
>>14411097
It looks like that silly rating scale you used forgot to take the Grendizer figure into account. Had it done so, Nagai would have inevitably been rated the highest.
>>14410711
Eva debuted in SRW F Final, which came out first... on the Sega Saturn.
Heh.
>>14410323
you can say literally the same shit for tomino.
>>14411206
Probably, but I haven't seen a Tomino show where all of those apply at the same time. Then again, the only Tomino shows I've watched are Zambot, L-Gaim and King Gainer. And I guess Daitarn and Voltes, if they count.
>>14411229
Gundam, as a franchise that exists, only continued to exist past it's first entry because of marketing
>>14411239
Yeah, I know.
But then again, that's practically every mecha show, isn't it? In the rare case that they're not pushing toys, they're still pushing manga/light novels/video games/some other crap.
>>14411087
>He has never been able to merchandise it on the level Gainax did with Eva
This is how fucking stupid you are
>>14411254
Yes. So pretending any anime production, especially mecha, isn't "selling out" is completely ridiculous
>>14411289
this. look at the fucking colors of the original gundam. shit is toyetic as fuck. zeon battleships/suits literally look like someone in the design department went 'hey, 8 year old, please draw us what a bad guy mecha/ship looks like'.
>>14411428
There's a difference between Gundam selling Gunpla and Evangelion selling vacuum cleaners, anon.insert "rei sucks" joke here
You mean to tell me that none of you guys would try to profit off of a non-trade endeavor that you created? Let alone if you had that ONE franchise ,out of many, that practically printed money?
Get out of here with that. It's like Kafka's Starving Artist- no one gives a fuck about how much you suffer for your art, so you might as well eat.
>>14411428
If they weren't forced to make those marketable designs for sponsorship, then they wouldn't have. Money for low budget anime doesn't come from nowhere.
>>14411465
I literally just had to google "Gundam vacuum cleaner"
>>14409010
>>14409069
You're both huge faggots
>>14411206
No you can't, you fucking retard.
>>14411285
I don't see Macross dildos.
>>14411555
That's a Haro, not a Gundam.
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>>14411602
And just in case, I googled that right after I posted to see if I was proven wrong.
I can't seem to find any/
>>14411555
You're missing the point, dipshit. Gundam was made for Gunpla. Macross was made for music, and a little bit of plastic. The Gundam vacuum is considered selling out just as much as an Evangelion one is, but you can't deny that Evangelion was made to sell... I dunno, tapes or something. It sure as shit wasn't written with the intent to market all this superfluous bullshit, which only came later and only exists to farm cash from otaku.
I am convinced that 4.0 isn't out because if Eva just ended, you couldn't milk it in LITERALLY EVERY FORM OF MERCHANDISE EVER as long as possible.
>>14410442
Axes seems like they would make for really poor eating utensils.
>>14409460
Depression =/= Laziness
>>14410390
I'd rather have someone who is willing to make dildos of their original property than someone who hordes it all for himself.
>>14411513
>no one gives a fuck about how much you suffer for your art, so you might as well eat.
What? It's been a few months since I read the story but I don't think that was Kafka's point at all.
>>14410711
>Sega supposedly blocked Eva from getting in SRW 4 because it was a Famicom tittle.
I'm not sure how that worked since SRW 4 came out around half a year before EVA aired (March vs October 1995), even if we take the manga into consideration there's no way they could integrate it in such a way that it wouldn't spoil the plot before the anime aired unless LOL UNIT ONLYYes, Kato is going to release a Limited Edition N-Gauge railway model set of the Shinkansen 500 Series Type EVA and it costs 30,000 Yen
>>14411061
>Anno is working on Godzilla
>Anno previously worked on Evangelion
>Anno has legions of crazy stalkers who cannot look at anything he touches and not rub the greasy drippings of Eva all over it
When someone finally lets him off the leash to do some Ultraman shit, you're going to cry. There will be piles of fanart of Evas powerdunking Ultramen while people scream UH WHY WOULD ULTRAMAN EVEN SHOW UP HE CAN'T GET THROUGH AT FIELDS.....
>>14411555
Hey, at least that's a robot being drawn on another robot. Evas are just giant flesh-golems. If someone wants to start making Dai-Guard power drills or Turn A blenders or a Dann of Thursday hydraulic jack, that's cool, but I don't want to see a Jushin Liger washer/drier combo.
This is just like Spaceballs.
>>14412976
You actually made me check and see if "neon genesis evangelion the flamethrower" existed
>>14411935
You don't understand man, you just can't appreciate those dildoes like he does.
>>14410477
According to the official website, only two shops sell them and it is limited to 50 sets per day
http://www.500type-eva.jp/goods/
>>14410491
Could be both
What was it about Eva that broke the Japanese otaku? It's a pretty standard super robot anime all things considered, maybe a little more edgy but it was the 90s and if your shit wasn't depressing you weren't trying hard enough.
But there's nothing in Eva that sets it apart -- in a bad way, I mean -- from other anime at the time. It had the harem elements in some episodes but it wasn't Tenchi Muyo. What I mean is, WHY? Why is Eva anime Star Wars?
Is it the meta-narrative behind the story, of Anno's spiraling depression? Was it Gainax's lack of any shame when it came to merchandise? How was Evangelion the cultural landmark it is today?
>>14412976
>Evangelion: 2.0 The Search for (More) Money
Anno obviously.
>>14409069
>3.3 >>>> 2.2
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
no
>>14415017
I've always asked the same questions about Tetsujin, Mazinger and Gundam. The answers I concluded for the former two is that in Japan, they only had a handful of television stations back in the 60s and early 70s, as with America, so kids had little else to watch.
I have no idea with Gundam and Eva. I'm guessing Eva was just in the right place at the right time. It may not have been original, but it had just the exact right blend of nonsense that people were looking for at the time. Why they were looking for something like Eva is beyond me, but human nature is always hard to understand.
>>14415091
Gundam was because it did something different for its time.
Eva was a zeitgeist thing.
>>14415091
>Why they were looking for something like Eva is beyond me
It was the Japanese lost decade.
>>14415017
Because it isn't like other shows.
>>14415017
Eva is a perfect example of right place right time. How many memorable or iconic anime do you really remember coming out of the early 90s compared to post Eva 90s
>>14409010
>Macross' bad entries: 7, Zero
>>14408366
which one is a hack?
![Ishiguroa[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/S58rKE1.jpg "Ishiguroa[1].jpg")
>>14416602
Kawamori, for taking all the credit from one of the best shows this guy created to himself.
>>14416689
>for taking all the credit
>literally recently spoke out against Harmony Gold's refusal to credit the other makers of SDF in Robotech
"For people around the world to see the work we created more than 30 years ago is something I can appreciate. That said the fact that the content has been altered without any of us knowing anything about it is saddening. The most frustrating fact about this though is that the original creators and staff, not only myself, but Haruhiko Mikimoto, Ichiro Itano, Noboru Ishiguro and even the other members of Studio Nue, were not credited for the past TV broadcast of Robotech. Not only them, but also all the other various staff involved, including many animators who had worked on the original series. While the concept of accreditation may differ around the world, I would be very disappointed if this is going to be released online without crediting the people who originally made it."
No man respects Ishiguro in this entire industry more than Kawamori and he brings him up whenever he talks about SDF's creation process practically all the time it comes up.
>>14416689
>Noboru Ishiguro
>director
???
>>14408635
pretty much
even if he does want to do other, non-macross things, at least he still enjoys making macross.
>>14415401
Slayers?
>>14417126
Kawamori is seriously like the coolest old man in the industry. Like I would love to have his life. I wish I could make VFs out of Legos
>>14417182
>First broadcast April 7, 1995
Literally the same year as Eva
My point though wasn't that there was none, just not nearly as much in early 90s compared to late 90s
>>14411935
If you combine Anno and Nagano into a single person, you would have the most talentedand gayestperson in the anime industry.
>>14417637
you forgot ikuhara
>>14417349
>he really does actually make VF's out of legos
That seriously surprised me, I thought he'd just sketch it out on a notepad or mess around with CG models or something.
>>14416582
>7
>Zero
>good
Come on, you dislike Frontier so you must know what I'm talking about,
>>14408366
Would anyone really not say Anno?
Kawamori has always been cool with the more sellable aspects of Macross. Y'know, idols and robot toys and stuff. Anno's the type to bitch about all the sexualization and idol-worship, but still take in those residuals.
>>14417661
But he would be too busy on the receiving end in bed.
>>14417751
>Anno's the type to bitch about all the sexualization and idol-worship, but still take in those residuals.
This. Anno is the biggest hypocrite in the anime industry. He talks like some artsy-fartsy visionary above everyone else but proceeds to wipe his ass with all the money he took from retarded Otaku.
Kawamori is totally honest with both himself and his fans, ironically enough he can't even be a sellout if he wanted to because Harmony Gold exists.
>>14410465
Do their parents tell them to get into the fucking mech every day?
>>14417751
>Would anyone really not say Anno?
People who aren't Reifags still butthurt about 3.0? Also has it ever occur to anyone that nobody knows what a "sellout" is?
>>14418089
People have been bitching about Anno's hypocrisy well before the Rebuilds were even a thing you cancerous fuckface shipperfag.
>>14417751
>>14417789
>>14418112
>Retards who have no idea what they're talking about
Reifags..
>>14418144
Here's your (you)
>>14418144
>Anybody who disagrees with me is just a butthurt waifufag
Don't be that guy
>>14410005
Only correct answer ITT.
>>14418089
>Also has it ever occur to anyone that nobody knows what a "sellout" is?
I've always known Asukafags were retarded, but I didn't know they were illiterate as well.
>>14408366
both equally are sellout.
>>14408807
This
>>14418089
>Also has it ever occur to anyone that nobody knows what a "sellout" is?
Not that Urbandictionary is an authority or anything, but to people who actually give a shit about the word, this is what it means in the common conciousness
>For instance, Green Day. They are considered sell-outs because they are a punk band who was popular on MTV. Green Day never stated that they would never be on MTV, thus they are not sell-outs in that sense. They never changed their musical style for monetary reasons, thus they are are not sell-outs in the more literal sense of the word. If Fugazi were to sign up with Sony records, they would be selling out because they preach against major labels.
>>14425006
I prefer the definition that just says "Nelly"
