When did he lose his touch?
>>14406022
Either Garzey's Wing or Brain Powerd
>>14406022
Considering how good G-Reco was, I don't think he's lost his touch
>>14406022
I wish he'd do something on the same scale as Ideon before he dies, that would be magnificent, his non-Gundam projects lately seem pretty lackluster.
>>14406022
Also, why is he standing in front of Iron Man?
>>14406041
>lately
>his last non-Gundam project was 11 years ago
A bit mistaken, really.
>>14406035
G-reco is physically impossible to talk about without at least half the thread calling it nonsensical garbage.
That generally means that the writing failed to grab large portions of the audience.
>>14406022
Brave Raideen.
>>14406035
>Considering how good G-Reco was
stopped reading right there!
Overman King Gainer was one of Tomino's best works so if anything he got better in time.
>Guaranteed Replies: the Thread
>>14406048
>That generally means that the shitposting gets replies and continues
>>14406029
Very much this.
Incidentally while G-Reco wasn't as master class as Turn A was it's a goddamn shame his possibly last Gundam will be remembered by the shitposting surrounding it rather than the show itself.
He's been going downhill since L-Gaim.
Never. About half of everything he has ever made has been shit.
>>14406048
>That generally means that the writing failed to grab large portions of the audience.
Just like Turn-A
>>14406048
My friends little sister was able to follow it, she is like 12. I don't think anime is made for people to pirate and shitpost about on 4chan.
>>14406022
Did he ever have THE TOUCH?
>>14406173
Well, considering he's been directing Transformers for so long, you'd think so.
I liked Zeta better than the 0079 movie trilogy.
I liked G-Reco better than Turn A.
I actually disliked Turn A all round.
R8 me.
>>14406228
>I liked Zeta better than anything
Shit taste
>I actually dislike Turn A
Not hard
>G-Reco > Turn A
Overall middling taste
>>14406228
You sound ok.
>>14406056
'Sup Build Babby
>>14406091
>He's been going downhill since Zambot 3.
FTFY
>Implying he ever made anything good
Tomino is the Japanese George Lucas. He didn't make Gundam good. It was in fact everyone else building off his idea. Tomino, left to his own devices, is kind of a retard. He is a naked emperor.
>>14406402
>He didn't make Gundam good. It was in fact everyone else building off his idea
I love this meme
>>14406228
>I liked Zeta better than the 0079 movie trilogy
That's too be expected. Watch the whole show..
>I liked G-Reco better than Turn A.
Ehh
>I actually disliked Turn A all round.
Cant defend this. Turn A might have been slow to get where it wanted to but, the episodes were paced well and wasn't as rushed as Reco got by the end. Plus easily a better cast.
5/10 see me after class.
>tfw G-Reco is the last "Gundam" Gundam anime
>there will never be another true UC again
>all the AUs will be as bad as IBO
>on the off chance we ever get another Build Fighters it's another not Gundam anime with meta-narrative Gundam elements
He never had it. 0079 was a fluke.
>>14407557
>there will never be another true UC again
Thunderbolt, Origin, etc
Relax, they'll never stop milking early UC
Never
>>14406402
>He didn't make Gundam good. It was in fact everyone else building off his idea.
Ah yes, the old "UC OVAs aren't retarded" meme, combined with the age old "there are more than two good AUs." We have dismissed those claims
>>14407563
>Origin
>good
>>14406022
He NEVER lost his touch. I'm serious when I say King Gainer, Brain Powerd, F91, and Reconguista in G are all highly underappreciated gems.
>>14407557
You might as well kill yourself right now and be spared of the suffering.
>>14406022
I never liked his directing
>>14407572
Not what the request was for.
>>14407563
>Thunderbolt, Origin, etc
Not canon.
>>14407655
Keep telling yourself that.
>>14406022
Well G-Reco was the best Gundam show since Turn A, which was the best Gundam show since Victory. Brain Powerd was amazing, King Gainer was flawed but quite good, and I still have yet to see Garzey's Wings. So, never really.
>>14406035
>Considering how good G-Reco was
2 times, Garzey's wing and Wings of rean.
Really I've liked anything he's made to various degrees.
>>14406022
Zeta Gundam. And you know it's true.
>>14406056
Still stick to A/Z I see
>>14407572
Read the manga you nigger.
>>14407572
You may as well give up on Gundam forever if you can't get some enjoyment out of Origin.
>>14406047
G-Reco is the only project he's done in the last 11 years, anon. Besides compilation movies.
He's working on several non-Gundam projects right now anyway.
>>14406168
According to Tomino the people who were following the show the best were schoolchildren.
>>14406022
Personally, I feel everything after Xabungle was absolute dog shit that took itself too seriously.
>>14407557
>there will never be another true UC again
Thank fuck, I'd had enough Zeonwank to last forever.
>>14406022
you
>>14406022
He never was that great to begin with. He just did the right stuff at the right time.
G-Reco English sub BD when?
>>14407886
This is a lie. Please stop.
>>14407563
origin isn't true UC, it's UC+.
>>14407572
>Doesn't like Char Charring as hard as a man can Char
Why even live?
Didn't watch all his shows, but I kinda think that comedy suits Tomino better than drama.
His dark/serious characters are lifeless and his incomprehension of any real human emotion makes stakes non-existent.
Turn A is probably all around his strongest work, even though it obvious that he tried to emulate Miyazaki a lot with this show. But it worked fine for him, so in the end it doesn't really matter, I suppose.
>>14408947
>acting out of character is Char Charring
I must have missed a memo 20 years ago on what Char was
>>14406029
Impossible given that Turn A and Gainer were great.
>>14408967
>His dark/serious characters are lifeless and his incomprehension of any real human emotion makes stakes non-existent.
So exactly on par with any other anime that tries to be "serious"?
>>14408967
>his serious characters are lifeless and his incomprehension of any real human emotion blah blah
Please, don't say this like it's some sort of fact. You are entitled to your private opinion of course but if you think he should use the standard pop-culture approach to storytelling and characterisation to be good you are not excused in your ignorance.
Watch something that is not anime or pop-corn flick or try reading some serious literature.
>>14406022
>When did he lose his touch?
Never. If you think baldy lost his touch you never ever understood his productions that span over 40 years from historical comedy to science fiction to super robot anime etc...
When he wrapped up Zeta.
>>14408989
Dude, Char missed the memo on what Char was. We really need an OVA showing Char go full Yazan between Zeta and CCA.
He never had a "touch" to begin with. His shit has always been tremendously hit and miss.
>>14407701
But they literally aren't canon.
>>14408967
>Turn A is probably all around his strongest work
>>14406022
Another thread started by some one that does not understand Tomino's mad genius. He's insane OP, why can't you understand this simple fact, and only then can you enjoy all his work.
>>14409369
Dougram, Innocent Venus, and M3 come up off the top of my head.
Saying that its on par with the rest of what is produced doesn't make it good.
>>14409380
If he is saying it its implied to be an opinion.
>Watch something that is not anime or pop-corn flick or try reading some serious literature.
What are you trying to prove? Also you sound just as pretentious bringing up "serious literature".
>>14406022
I think its more fair to say he's just out of touch honestly.
>>14407557
Because heaven forbid we let a series thats over 40 years old end already.
>>14411359
As long as it keeps making money, it will never end. Bandai will still be shilling plastic long after we're all dust.
>>14411199
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?
>>14411376
That wasn't my point at all. The guy I responded to just came off as some kinda nostagiafag. AU is really all we got for at the very least decent gundam series these days.
>>14411842
Thunderbolt was pretty gud.
>>14411920
Nope
>>14411920
Thunderbolt was amazing but Its just so far removed from the continuity you could argue it has little to do with the canon and not to mention it really was only 40 minutes long. Unicorn is what ever one is going to point the finger at as the capstone for UC and its kind of a shame.
>>14411920
>Thunderbolt LOOKED pretty gud.
Outside that it suffered the same problems as other OVA offerings that being under developed cast, bare bones story and a shitty ending.
>>14409380
>Gundam is 2smart4u
>>14412027
It was like 15 minutes an episode. Action is really all ur going to get.
>>14406402
I mean, the novels DID have the Gundam start out slate-grey and kill of Amuro halfway through, which would have been how the series went if he'd had his way.
So you have some sort of point.
>>14406022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPKULArJNCQ
I can't tell, but I'm pretty sure he still had it in 2003.
>>14412581
No, you've got that wrong. The G3 is grey and Amuro doesn't get that until halfway through. He dies about 10% before the end.
>>14406022
He is a fast pace plot writer, 0079 is the only exception, with Dunbine and F91 being the most quick narratives.
The only people that dislikes G-reco are the idiots who can't remember the name of the ships and their roles.
>>14411359
Anon, listen.
There have been two (2) good Gundam AUs released in the last twenty years. Justify that shit to me.
>>14413296
Here is a nice justification.Your taste is shit.
>>14409369
Yes, but in Tomino's case none of these characters (except some rare exceptions like Char, Sirocco or Loran) have enough charisma to make people overlook retarded motivations or simply bad characterisation.
Other Gundam shows like 0083 or Wing (hell, even non-Gumdan shows like SPT Layzner or LoTGH) managed to do exactly that: they made characters memorable and interesting to a degree that we can care about them (and more or less be ok with their retarded moments in the plot).
I couldn't careless about all these dying Zeta characters, because they didn't act like humans AT ALL since the show's start. And Tomino never gave them any reason to act in this particular way.
And, Char, despite having an actual presence in all his Gundam appearances, probably the best example of that. At first he's a Prince Hamlet (but sometimes he's not) in 0079, then he's a mentor, philosopher and humanist in Zeta and finally he's basicly s space Hitler in CCA.
Because Char isn't a character. He is what Tomino wants him to be (which is a simple plot device, most of the time)
That shallow characterisation is present in almost all of his characters and in almost all of his works.
>>14409380
IT IS my opinion. Just like yours opinion there.
And honestly, I think even "the standard pop-culture approach" would be better for his shows, since he isn't even capable of that. His attempts at conveying general sci-fi aesthetics of his time in his shows are well-intentioned, but laughable at execution (especially his attempts at being politically edgy).
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Tomino. Actually I like most of what I've seen from the guy.
Daitarn 3, Zambot 3, Dumbine, L-Gaim, Xabungle, Ideon, most of his Gundam works - all have some really good stuff. Decent to okay storytelling, some interesting world-buliding ideas. I understand and recognise that Tomino did to mech genre in japan probably even more than Go Nagai (not to mention, invented real robo genre).
But that doesn't mean I can't see his problems. And Tomino ALWAYS had problems. He just can't write an interesting and/or engaging drama, he can't keep a natural pacing to the events in his shows, without dragging slow or rushing too fast, his robots usually have more personality than the majority of his characters and his dialogues are the whole new league of nonsense, most of the time.
>>14413323
Name one AU that isn't G Gundam or Build Fighters that isn't universally recognized to be shit.
>>14406022
What do you mean by "touch"? Pandering to old ass autistic neckbeard that populated today's /m/ by "serious writing"?
All of his show was hit or miss, you like it or not is up to you. Like you can take shit about CCA, Greco and shit while wanking about Wings, but fuck you i love all that show.
By that i say no anon, he's always in touch.
And here's your (You)'s
>>14413397
Are we talking about universally /m/ or universally the entire Internet?
>>14413437
You know that if you count the universal intenret you can say shit like "SEED is good"
>>14413462
You got me.
>>14413397
Literally every single one except SEED Destiny, AGE and Try.
Unless you are one of those retards that think /m/ = everyone.
>>14413531
Is there anyway to really validate any of this?
How many sites actually collect polls?
>>14413556
Nigger is it really hard to believe that different places eat different kinds of shit than /m/?
>>14413531
>literally all of them
>except for all of them
Also IBO makes Destiny look like Victory.
>>14413633
I'll be generous and give you 2 keks and a (You).
>>14413612
It wasn't about proving that different site's users had differing opinions.
More a question on the ability to prove >Literally every single one except SEED Destiny, AGE and Try.
>>14413633
Depends what you're basing it on If you look at the scores from MAL IBO has a higher rating than most gundam series.
I don't like IBO but I can't say it universally disliked.
>>14414078
Yeah but even then it's more liked rather than loved.
>>14414123
Staying with MALI don't really discuss anime outside of /a/ or /m/ so I really don't know many places to get user statistics
The median rating was 8/10 but 10% did love it.
Not really unusual for a gundam.
It had a higher number of "members" than Age and Guista on the site.
However this is a site that A.Z has as many "members" as Age, Guista, Reco, and 00.
AniDB scored it lower, but it also has less users.
>>14408650
Which is actually pretty goddamn damning on anything but a surface level.
Have you ever talked to young kids? They watch the same movie over and over and over again, but after all that they still don't actually understand anything about what they have seen. They enjoy the spectacle and the music or whatever, but any meaning of the dialog and the plot is basically lost on them.
You know what kids understood about G-Reco? That Bellri was the good guy, and the good guys won. That's about it. The weird dialog would just go over their head, and they don't complain about it because they were not paying attention to the dialog anyway. It doesn't have to make sense for kids to enjoy it.
Saying that kids were the ones who best followed the show means that G-reco is best enjoyed by people who have no understanding whatsoever of story structure, dialog, or pacing and are functionally unable to question the quality of media put in front of them as long as it doesn't bore them.
Thats not a positive sign.
>>14411978
But G Reco and Victory are the capstones for UC??
>>14416169
No I'd say unicorn is. Saying G reco is so far removed from the one year war it doesn't even matter that is far into the future. I haven't seen Victory yet so I can't really judge it well enough but Unicorn sense its the more recent series to be broadcast will probably end up being remembered as the capstone and thats pretty unfortunate.
>>14408998
Turn A was only good
>>14413296
People on this board that say "I hate gundam" fascinate me. Reminds me of the hate on /a/ shounen tends to get. Gundam has been shaky for a long time. 00 was really the last time they did anything bold with the name.
>>14413363
>Other Gundam shows like 0083 or Wing managed to do exactly that: they made characters memorable and interesting to a degree that we can care about them (and more or less be ok with their retarded moments in the plot).
We must have different standards as to what makes a character "memorable" or "interesting" then because I think most Wing and 0083 characters are anything but.
>>14406022
i miss his kill em all mood
>>14413363
>Yes, but in Tomino's case none of these characters (except some rare exceptions like Char, Sirocco or Loran) have enough charisma to make people overlook retarded motivations or simply bad characterisation
Don't speak for "people", just speak for yourself. Obviously this isn't a universal complaint given how many people really love Tomino's characters.
>And Tomino never gave them any reason to act in this particular way.
How about living in a dystopian world that just witnessed the death of half of humanity? And I think that they act more human being being erratic and hard headed, it improves the characters and makes me care about seeing what they do more.
>And, Char, despite having an actual presence in all his Gundam appearances, probably the best example of that.
People change roles in life, that isn't bad characterization at all. Char consistently is a character with competing ideological goals and personal demons, and the personal demons tend to win out and frustrate his ideological goals. His new found newtypism in the later part of 0079 is frustrated by his rivalry with Amuro, his goals with the AEUG are frustrated by his personal issues with Haman, and his Neo Zeon goals in CCA are frustrated by his personal issues with Amuro. Char has static elements like this, along with dynamic elements like his loosing hope and faith in humanity due to his failure in the Gryps war, causing him to go into space Hitler mode.
You have to look at actual character traits, and how they act, not just what archetypes they happen to resemble at certain points in the plot. Char was always a petty deceiving liar on one hand, with grand ambitions used to fill the hole left in him by becoming Char and living for revenge. He also is constantly willing to use and deceive people, regardless of what role he is in. There is plenty of continuity underneath his changes in character. It is the reason why he is such a well loved and discussed character.
