So /m/ if zeon is an equivalent of nationalism what is the federation im on the fence with this one even with zeon and just want a clear cut idea of both governments
>>14402213
A corrupt and bloated democracy. I wouldn't have even thought that was a question.
>>14402213
The EU but with NATO's military.
>>14404033
This.
All spacenoids needed was a referendum.
>>14404435
#ZEEKXIT
>>14402217
>democracy
Oligarchy
>>14404473
after a fiery speech by Zeon Deikun the people of Side 3 demands to be independent from the Earth federation, which the Federation allowed them to hold a vote.
Following a vote that resulted in and overwhelming support for independence the public took to the streets in jubilation with people carrying signs saying "EARTHNOIDS OUT", however the reaction went from chorus jubilation to horror within days as they hear that other colonies were less sympathetic to their cause, with calls for immediate cessation of economic relations with side 3
The reality that their economy is interlinked with other colonies that sided with the federation finally sank in the public conscience.
Realising that side 3 would be a smaller market compared to the rest of the federation Zeonic Corp. and other companies pulled out.
>>14404435
>Earthnoids rig it
>Spacenoids chimp out anyway
>>14404574
Does this mean that in 10 years, UK will nuke and invade EU, because MUH freedums and oppression?
>>14404596
>Operation British
Are the Australians still awake? Someone better warn them.
>>14404596
What will UK try to drop on Brussels, though?Scotland?
>>14404624
Obviously after gassing it, first...
>>14404573
No, democracy. Just because families exist doesn't mean no-one else ever gets in. Even Frontal didn't deny they were a democracy.
>>14404633
They were a heavily rigged democracy, though. Every district has a representative, and all the representatives vote in the Assembly.
Sounds good so far, right?
But there are more districts on earth than there are in the colonies, despite only 2 billion of the 11 billion people in the world in December 0078 living on earth. So even if the representatives of every colonial district voted the same way, the districts on earth would outweigh them while being 1/9th of the population.
Then there's the problem of the colonial representatives being assigned by the assembly rather than elected by the colonies, and the fact that they don't even live on the colonies that they "represent" as Blex said that almost every member of the Assembly lived on earth.
So, basically, 89% of the population has no say in the government and must abide by whatever "democratic" decision is made by the ruling class, the 11% who live on earth.
To call the EF a democracy is kind of a joke, really. Sure, the fact that colonial representatives were assigned rather than elected was probably democratically decided, back when colonies were in the extreme minority, but that doesn't mean that a government where 10% of the people vote and everyone else obeys is really a democracy anymore.
>>14404741
I'm pretty sure all we're ever told is that they can't elect their own officials, not that they can't vote in anything.
>>14404752
>not that they can't vote in anything
Don't understand representative democracy?
Let me break it down:
Two candidates run for office in your colony. Each of them campaign on their respective platforms, "If I'm elected, I'd vote this way on Issue A, that way on Issue B, this way on Issue C, etc". You vote for the guy whose views you agree with because you feel he represents how you would vote. Once he gets elected, your vote has pretty much stopped. You have to hope that he'll vote the way he said he would, and he probably will if he wants to get re-elected next term.
But in the EF, you never got that vote. You get a "representative" from the earth-born elite, who was assigned to his post by the earth-born elite. Unlike the elected representative who has a reason to vote the way his constituency wants if he wants to get re-elected, the EF representative has a reason to vote the way the earth-born elite want if he wants to keep his assigned post. You have no say in this whatsoever.
>>14404787
And democracy includes things like refendums where people vote on things other than who will represent them in the state. Which is a big part of what makes a democracy democratic. Yea, it's not the only part, but it's still a big part. And as far as we know, it's still there in UC.
>>14402213
>if zeon is an equivalent of nationalism
Isn't it Imperial Japan using Nazi Germany as cover?
>federation
Big bad America because muh Japan din do nuffin' victim complex.
>>14404818
Man I love those old propaganda posters. They're completely bold in every way. Slap A Jap is still my favorite, because the rhyme is so simple but effective.
>>14404810
We are never given any indication that spacenoids have ever been able to do that. Every reference to the democracy of the EF has been a comment about how the spacenoids have no voice in government.
>>14404859
And we're never given anything to say they can't partake in what is a common feature of democracies world wide, only that they don't elect officials. Just because the show doesn't say it doesn't mean it isn't true, only that it's not important to the show. If it wasn't true, then they probably wouldn't get called a democracy at all, especially by their enemies. They do get called a democracy by those enemies though, so chances are, there's some democratic systems in place.
>>14404941
>anything to say they can't partake in what is a common feature of democracies
Except for, you know...the fact that the entire Zeon movement is predicated on their lack of representation in the government.
>>14405493
Yes, representation, the thing you were on about and which is electing official and has nothing to do with individual voting on matters that don't concern reprentatives.
>>14404435
>>14405553
Do you seriously think any significant percentage of governance is accomplished by referendum? The VAST majority of the workings of any democratic government is handled by the representatives. The colonies could only elect local officials, they had no say in the EF Assembly which is the governing body.
And GUESS who would be the group to decide if a referendum was warranted? That's right: the EF Assembly. You get to vote on a few things that they give you the opportunity to vote on *if* they decide you need to have a vote. Meanwhile the entire infrastructure of your day-to-day life is decided upon by unelected officials.
How democratic is that?
>>14405797
Pretty democratic!
After all, it's not a democracy unless a significant fraction of the population is prevented from having a say in government.
>>14405797
Pretty democratic actually, because a lot of people don't have much interest in the doings of elected local officials or what decisions they make and it's mainly the referendums and party/presidential votes they have an interest in. Those officials no doubt make a lot of decisions and do a lot of day to day work, but for a lot of people they don't feel like their life is unduly ruled by those decisions and they're only concerned with the major stuff, not the workaday stuff representatives do.
As is, voter turn out for local elections of that kind is usually down around 50% or 55% in a lot of places, because a lot of people just don't care about them.
What also probably factors in to it is just not liking or trusting said said officials or feeling like they do much good, regardless of whether they're from your home town (or Side) or from someplace far away. You can still contact them, still complain to them and still be ignored by them in favor of big business or whatever regardless of whether they're from Earth or Space.
>>14405860
And in the end, the Jupiters control the purse strings
>>14404435
OMG U SPACNOIDS ARE RACIST AND HATE EVERYTHING STOP BEING OLD AND WHITE I HATE YOU SO MUCH but I won't go vote pls like my facebook
>>14402213
Isn't Seabook's hair blue?
>>14405954
Yes it is anon
>>14405860
>it's mainly the referendums and party/presidential votes they have an interest in.
>referendums never even alluded to
>representatives stated to be unelected
You're just plugging your ears and going
"LALAHLALAHICAN'THEARYOU", aren't you?
The EF is a government of the minority, for the minority, by the minority. Calling it a democracy is a bad joke.
>>14406768
Not one of the EF's enemies ever call it anything but a democracy, the only bad thing ever said about them regarding democracy is that they don't allow the Colonies to elect officials. If you want to read that as them not allowing any voting of any kind and not actually being a democracy then more power to you, but there's really nothing to support the idea.
>>14406785
>there's really nothing to support the idea
Here's another fact for you to ignore:
In Zeta, the narrator states very plainly that Side 3 was so anti-Zabi that they were taking it upon themselves to undergo joint operations with the Titans.
In ZZ, the EF Assembly GIVES CORE 3 TO HAMAN FUCKING KARN and promises not to interfere with a fucking colony drop.
Do you think the people of Core 3 had a referendum and decided to accept the ZABI Princess's PRO-ZABI nanny as their supreme leader?
Do you think the people of Dublin had a referendum and agreed to the colony drop?
Do you think the smug fucks stuffing their faces at a party while telling Bright to disarm and surrender the Argama gave the slightest fuck what any of the proles thought about ANYTHING?
>>14404626
AND NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST
THE ONLY DECENT SCOTS MOVE OUT OF SCOTLAND AS SOON AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN
>>14406982
> In Zeta, the narrator states very plainly that Side 3 was so anti-Zabi that they were taking it upon themselves to undergo joint operations with the Titans.
What has that got to do with anything?
> Do you think the people of Dublin had a referendum and agreed to the colony drop?
Are you so desperate to prove a point you'll resort to strawmen like that? Corrupt or greedy politicians abusing their position isn't a mark for or against something being a system of any kind. They're just corrupt.
> Do you think the smug fucks stuffing their faces at a party while telling Bright to disarm and surrender the Argama gave the slightest fuck what any of the proles thought about ANYTHING?
No. But then I never said they did, nor does them caring about anything have anything to do with whether they're part of a democracy, because plenty of real life democracies have had abuses of power and politicians who didn't care about their constituents.
