Is it canon?
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Is it canon?
Only if you also consider Unicorn canon
>>14396104
Why wouldn't it be?
>>14396104
High Mega Canon
>>14396126
>implying Unicron timeline "isn't" an alternate one
>>14396104
Yes .
Next question?
There's no such thing as "canon" in Japan.
A better question is: is it anime?
>>14397350
There do really, despite that being oft said on /m/. Hence why several Gundam producers had a discussion 15 odd years ago about which suits were and weren't official (or canon), and which were. A discussion that resulted in the "only animated stuff is official" quote sometimes put out. A quote that only applied to suits and not series, and that was being made in an unofficial capacity by those producers and not an official one by a Banrise rep.
>>14397358
ANIME JANAI
>>14397350
I'm starting to think this is a load of shit.
>>14396104
CCA exists and made mention of the events of ZZ.
Unicorn exists and brought back characters and suits from ZZ.
Turn A exists and ZZ was the series Tomino wanked to the most in it (kapool, zssam, ZZ docking sequence, mention of UC colonies which left the solar system aka old man Judau).
So yes, ZZ is very much canon.
>>14396104
Not only is it canon, it's HI MEGA CANON
>>14396104
It isn't even anime.
>>14396104
Barely.
It's like how the Macross DYRL is the retconned canon while SDF Macross the TV show technically isn't canon, but it's been referenced by later works.
>>14399960
But that's wrong you fucking retard holy shit.
>>14400104
How is that wrong?
The events in ZZ doesn't impact what happens later in UC in any significant way and the Macross universe drew more movie-specific elements than the TV show. That's pretty much spot on.
>>14396104
Only animation is canon and ZZ is not anime
>>14397350
>>14397425
公式
正史
>>14396104
No its not, don't you know? ANT is canon. So everything later is not and everything before ANT is not even canon.
>>14396104
Yes
>>14396104
Yes, and we need OVA's from that period(and Gryps war too), badly - instead of constant stream of OYW content.
>>14401210
Fuck early UC, I'd rather have more late UC than OH NO HERE'S THIS SECRET ZEON SUB-FACTION AND A BUNCH OF SECRET GUNDAMS FIGHTING THEM
>>14396104
>Is it canon?
Yes
MSG (TV) > Zeta (Tv) > ZZ (TV) > CCA (Film) > Unicorn > F91 > Victory > G savior > Turn A > G Reco > Gunpla builders beginning G
MSG trillogy > Zeta ANT > Beltochika's children > Gundam Build Fighters
Ideon > Origin > Zeta Define > Hasegawa Gigantis > F90 > Crossbones > judau gets the fuck out of the solar system > G Gundam
Thunderbolt > Gundam Xthere is no cannon, just make shit up and watch people shit post
>>14400236
Except that's bass-ackwards. You could maybe argue that about MSG TV vs. Movies with having Core Boosters in later works instead of G-Fighters or Gyans, but that has nothing to do with ZZ.
There hasn't been a UC installment since ANT came out that uses the ending ANT presented. In fact no one does anything ANT except maybe SRW, and that's just using the nicer, newer animation style. Meanwhile we've gotten Unicorn that references ZZ heavily.
>>14401216
I kinda agree cross bone civil war when
>>14401413
The latest Crossbone sort of has this, but with warring state colonies.
>>14396104
Yes, now fuck off baitfag
>>14401312
The MSG TV show is canon, not the compilation movies.
>>14401413
I would cream my pants if they start making Crossbone and V-Era gunpla that's not the lead Gendums.
>>14401837
The irony here is that Unicorn's depiction of the Big Zam has Sleggar crashing a Core Booster into it (as in the movies), not dying like a bitch in the G-Fighter (as in the show). But that's probably because the TV version of that one moment was pretty lame.
https://youtu.be/Wehd_n8VzRs?t=3m26s
https://youtu.be/2kBfKhZ1wHg?t=2m13s
>>14401915
things like 08th MS team and CCA also reference the existence of core booster rather than the G-fighter
>>14401837
>The MSG TV show is canon, not the compilation movies.
>>14401915
> All those Feds jobbing to Dozle's giant laser dick
Never gets old.
>>14397361
>which suits were and weren't official (or canon)
Those two terms are different.
Everything made with approval from the trademark holders is official. It's a franchise term.
Canon is a story term.
>>14402031
Not really, no. Especially when you actually read the interview in question and see how it's used. The term used in Japanese and commonly translated as official is used to differentiate between the RX-78-2 for instance, which would be deemed as white and fully official and something like the Gyan Cannon from Gihren's Greed, which is deemed to be grey and only kind of official (I think this is the example they use) in that it and the game it's from are recognized as official, but not held to exist in the animated timeline or to affect things there.
The discussion has all the earmarks of a conversation about canon in Star Wars, especially the white/grey/black officiality stuff, which fairly well mirrors Lucas' tiers of canon.
Official in the context they use it is interchangeable with canon, and often translated as canon, to diversify the words within an interview or article and is used less to indicate whether they recognize something as being approved by the trademark holders (primarily because most of the stuff discussed are made and published by Bandai whether in games, novels or manga) and more about whether it exists in the story expressed within the anime.
>>14402087
>Official in the context they use it is interchangeable with canon
They're using the term wrong then.
>The discussion has all the earmarks of a conversation about canon in Star Wars, especially the white/grey/black officiality stuff, which fairly well mirrors Lucas' tiers of canon.
Those discussions also get it wrong lots of times, the "tiers of canon" were only made so autists who need to be told something is canon to enjoy it don't feel bad.
> is used less to indicate whether they recognize something as being approved by the trademark holders (primarily because most of the stuff discussed are made and published by Bandai whether in games, novels or manga) and more about whether it exists in the story expressed within the anime.
Yes, it's used to say which official stuff is canon, but with the wrong term.
>>14402145
It's a translation of a Japanese term in to English. It doesn't have a direct 1:1 translation, like a lot of other translation isn't 1:1. The term agreed on by most for a lot of other cases in which it's used is official, but in this particular instance also means canon.
> Those discussion also get it wrong lots of times
This discussion was between producers of several different Gundam shows and mostly centered on the Gihren's Greed games and how official they were since they were all fans of different suits from different things, including that. If even they're interested but also apparently getting it wrong, then no-one is likely to get it right.
> the wrong term
They're using a different language. I'm pretty sure scolding them on using the wrong term, even in translation is kind of silly.
>>14402165
>It's a translation of a Japanese term in to English.
what's the term?
if we can have a keikaku to get a kawaii onee-chan we should at least know what they call their real make believe stuff.
>>14402087
>>14402145
http://mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7298
http://mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?p=367724#p367724
>>14402165
Either the translations made or the terms used are wrong then. If their use isnt wrong because it's a different language then people translate it wrongly.
>>14402167
I don't even remember the exact word they called it since I'm just going off reading the interview months ago. Google it yourself I guess if you're that curious and can't accept that a word might be translatable a couple of different ways, including one you don't like.
>>14402171
So it's the translations then.
>>14402175
>>14402172
>>14402165
>>14402145
>>14402087
>>14402031
The Japanese word for canon is 正史
Literally "correct history", meaning the correct version of events in a timeline.
Here's a discussion on whether ANT or ZZ is canon.
http://g-matome.com/archives/34227800.html
>>14402193
>Literally "correct history"
Cool to know. Then they are using the term correctly and it's translator's fault.
>>14402203
No, in some cases they do use the word official 公式 as short for 公式設定 = official setting which means the same thing, referring to the official version of events and specific statistics and specifications, profiles, that sort of stuff.
正史/correct history refers only to the timeline while 公式設定/official setting refers to everything pertaining to the world, including the timeline.
>>14402215
Everything canon has to be official by definition anyways so it's still correct.
>>14401915
>movie doesn't have Dozle's fighting spirit manifest as an almighty devil lashing out at the gundam
fuck that
>>14402193
>http://g-matome.com/archives/34227800.html
>>13
Damn it, japan
>>14401915
>movie
>Gundam fires beam rifle at the Dom
>it gets blown up by the G-Fighter's missiles anyway
lel
>>14401939
Wait, so are the movies canon and the TV show isn't?
>>14403488
Yes.
Tomino was extremely dissatisfied with the show and the moment he got greenlighted for the trilogy, he cut all the super robotey and Mobile Suit of the week stuff, that he was pressured into in the first place.
Ever since, every following installment has references to movie continuity and not the show.
