http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2006/anime-expo/11
>Q: About the present-day directors and mecha designers, do you think they may have regressed from the early 1990s?
>Izubuchi: For a show like Gundam, it's really hard to do something new. Since the formula for Gundam is kind of set, if you stray to far from it, it's not same show anymore. Like Turn A Gundam, they wanted to change the design concept of the mecha. Most of the Japanese fans had an adverse reaction to it.
Is he right?
>>14394775
>Modern Gundam designs are boring
Well he is right, his modern Hi-Nu retcon is complete shit
>>14394775
The IBO suits are pretty unique, actually. I haven't really watched the show, but I cannot help but really dig the designs of the robots.
Gusion Gundam did throw me off, though. I guess in that setting, what makes a big robot a "Gundam" is its frame, yes?
>Modern Gundam designs are boring
I disagree.
but I'm not japanese I like the gundam designs old or new. but I also dislike old and new designs, after all not all 90's gundam designs were winner either.
>>14394775
>convention from 2006
>"modern" or contemporary.
Go die in a fire snapkuso kun
>>14394865
The designs were really unique but it was overshadowed by all the goddamn Graze variations.
Now don´t get me wrong, I love the Graze, terrific grunt unit but when half the gunpla from the show are grazes the uniqueness of the designs kinda gets lost.
>>14394775
>Modern Gundam designs are boring
>>14394896
Fuck off to your containment thread >>14327526
>>14394881
> 2006
He was shitting on SEED, wasn't he?
>>14394924
Yep.
>>14394775
So, what about Armored Core?
>>14394775
>Yutaka Izubuchi: Modern Gundam designs are boring
Too true. It's because Bandai has discovered the designs don't need to look good to sell. People will buy anything. The music industry discovered this ages ago. Seed> 00> IBO have been heralding the end of Gundam as we know it.
>>14394775
I agree for the most part. Okawara needs to be stopped.
>>14394775
>Interview from 2006
>Picture of designs from 2014 onwards
>>14394775
I wouldn't say so. We've had unique designs in the form of the Barbatos and G-Self of late. But it IS true that Japan had a semi-adverse reaction to them (especially of the G-Self).
>>14394775
We still have interesting designs from time to time.
>>14395329
>>14395137
Those are all done AFTER the interview, you fucks.
>>14395329
flower version MG never ever
>>14394865
>I guess in that setting, what makes a big robot a "Gundam" is its frame, yes?
Correct. During the Calamity war Gjallarhorn's predecessors create a limited run of 72 identical frames known as "Gundams" which were each customized according to their chosen pilotswho were permanently integrated into the MS's cockpit and directly hooked into the machines, making it essentially their new bodies. A MS with a pilot fully a part of it like this shows up at the end of the series.
Gusion has a regular gundam frame hidden inside all that armor.
>>14394865
The frame and that they have twin ahab reactors.
>>14394775
>interview from 2006
He's talking about Wing through to Seed at this point, where he's obviously completely right.
This can't be applied to anything past 00 at all.
>>14394775
2006 is before 00. Every Gundam show since then has had a unique look to its designs.
I'm not sure the complaint even fully applies to SEED, which had some derivative designs but many of the original designs were gorgeous and had a distinct style. It definitely applies to the 90s shows, though, by the time of X it felt like they were using the leftover sketch art that had gotten rejected.
>>14394865
>The IBO suits are pretty unique, actually
The funny part is that every new series since 00 has had people praising the designs for how un-Gundam like they look.
You'd think people would notice the irony at some point.
>>14395531
>00
Fairly unique style, but resorts back to more classical Gundam looks in S2.
>Unicorn
Unique style for a Gundam until it transforms, at the end of episode 1.
>AGE
Ebikawa's hexagonal remakes of the RX-78, Zeta, and ZZ.
>GBF
Uses a Strike variant, forgivable considering the nature of the show. Other designs are variants of existing Gundams too.
>G-Reco
Just another Gundam, extra kawaii makes it a bit different. Secondary Gundams are more unique.
>GBF Try
A generic donut steal looking Gundam from Okawara. Other designs are variants of existing Gundams.
>IBO
Just another Gundam, thin waist makes it a bit different. Secondary Gundams are more unique.
>Like Turn A Gundam, they wanted to change the design concept of the mecha. Most of the Japanese fans had an adverse reaction to it.
This is what those retards believe: "people don't like it because it's different".
Make a godawful design, people don't like it, being surprised.
>>14394775
>Build Burning properly painted
>Barbatos and G-Self are just straight snapbuilds
what did they mean by this?
>>14395671
The guy just gave up on half the stickers on the G-Self, too.
>>14394775
>mfw I like Barbatos and Gusion Rebake
>>14395671
It's from a reviewer's blog. He painted his build burning and used it and his unpainted G self in a comparison shot in the hg Barbatos review. He painted up Try burning and kamiki burning as well iirc.
>>14395666
>Even Satan's trashing the White Devil's 'stache
Bet there would have been more outcry if they kept the SUMO as the titular Gundam. The whole point of Turn A was to create an "evolution" to the original Gundam design, and yet Izubuchi thinks it strays too far from it?
問題は機体性能やメカデザインで無くシナリオライターやスタッフだからね、もう疲れたよ馬鹿な日本人の相手はね
>>14395703
IBO gundams are pretty cool. Though they'd be better if most had an actual waist to speak of.
>>14395646
>>IBO
>Just another Gundam
But the Barbatos has a vey unique design compared to the 00 designs. Whaat do you consider unique?
>>14395572
Amazing counterargument faggot.
>>14395789
Turn A being different isn't a problem, the design is utter shit, that's the problem. Why would they give a mecha design to someone who designs simplistic cars and buildings?
>>14395894
> Why would they ask someone who has done a tonne of work designing sci-fi material for movies and even did some preliminary work for a Gundam live action film in the 80s to do design work for Gundam?
>>14394775
Is he serious? 00, Age, Greco and IBO are filled with all sorts of interesting deigns
I mean just take a look and the variety in lead gundam design compared to everything before 2005
>>14395931
>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2006/anime-expo/11
>/2006/
>>14395924
>why would they ask someone who's designs are shit to begin with
Syd's designs are godawful.
>>14395942
Your bait is weak, for no-one believes it.
>>14394871
>I disagree.
>post a bland rehash of the ZZ
>>14395625
>You'd think people would notice the irony at some point.
You'd think people would look at the article at some point and realise it was made 10 years ago -- BEFORE 00
>>14396071
People have been pointing that out all thread. There's just some discussion that others feel it's true now, regardless of the source of the original article.
>>14395866
Barbatos is a rehash of the Throne units from 00. Heck, even using physical weapons for its lead mech was made famous by 00. There's absolutely nothing unique to barbatos aside for it's weird overly thin waist and maybe the Dinosaur mace.
>>14396594
> GN beam rifle
> GN beam sabers
> GN beam daggers
> GN beam vulcans
> made using physical weapons famous
You might as well cite the Strike as making them famous because it had an anti-ship sword. Or the RX-78-2 for using a Gundam Hammer.
>>14394900
>70s & 80s fags
>containment
I hope you fucking know most of us are 70s & 80s watchers. If you don't like shows from that time period, you have shit taste, no question.
You should fuck off back to your containment board /a/
IBO was nice because it finally gave me a Landmate model kit.
>>14396690
THICC
>>14395894
>Why would they give a mecha design to someone who designs simplistic cars and buildings?
Because that was exactly what they were going for? They wanted to imagine the design of the final evolution of Gundam. Why wouldn't you give it to a designer who values function over form and give it a sci-fi look unlike typical japanese mech design?
>>14395924
>some preliminary work for a Gundam live action film in the 80s
WHAT?
>>14395646
>Any of the 00 S2 suits
>classical gundam
>>14396658
>anti-shipsword
>not beam
ASS is still just a mix that has a more focused beam. It was getting there but 00 did the more swords thing with Exia using a giant Blade and continued in it's successors. It's not about who had it first, but who made it a thing. RX-78-2 was known for its beam sabers and the BR instead of the hammer like how Seed Destiny was known for Strike Freedom Beam Spam rather than ASS Destiny.
>>14395870
(You)
>>14397147
Exia's purpose in universe was to use the physical swords to be an anti-GN weapon if any Gundam went rogue, but it used it's beam rifle and beam sabers more than the physical weapons. By the time you get to season two or the movie it doesn't even have purely physical weapons anymore and they're all beam weapons in some manner, with the GN Sword II being a combined gun/sword. It had them, but it didn't make them famous because it mostly used other weapons and even fan art mostly has it with either no weapons or the beam ones. The Zaku did more to make physical weapons famous than the Exia.
>>14397252
It still used its physical weaponry in great capacity, despite its abundance of beam weapons.
It'seems just that the 00R's physical blades weren't as interesting to look at compared to Exia's huge blade, so you probably didn't notice it as much.
>>14397341
No, it doesn't seem that the 00 Rising's physical blade weren't as interesting to look at so I didn't notice them, they had a beam component in the form of a built in rifle. They were not purely physical weapons, and like I've already said the Exia used the beam rifles and saber a lot more than it used the physical ones. Hence why in the 00 and Quanta the purely physical weapons are no longer a component. Because they're neither wanted or needed.
>>14397353
Just to clarify I'm not the guy arguing that 00 popukarized physical weapons.
I merely want to argue that despite their full arsenal, Exia, 00R, and Qan[T] are known for their physical weapons.
Especially the Exia and Qan[T].
In most if not all fanart I've seen of them, their physical weapons are prominently featured sans beam.
>>14397353
You're not getting it. The physical blade is still a component in 00 as evidenced by the fact that most 00 suits or main suits still use physical blades up till Trailblazer. Watching the fights, you'll notice that gun fights happen mostly against grunts and all battles with antagonist/rivals always end up being sword fights. Looking at the main rivals like Ali, Graham, The Thrones they all have specialized blades and are always engaged in a duel with the MC. Another thing is how Setsuna's finishers ends with the main blade and having the catch phrase also made it a signature. Yea sure it can produce beams, but they didn't do it all the time and physical blades was given a major role in 00 and came to be a signature aesthetic. IBO obviously tried to capitalize on the aesthetic formula since 00 is a major hit.
>>14397419
No, I get what you're arguing - I just don't agree that it came to be seen as a signature aesthetic and this is the first time I've ever heard anyone even say it was.
>>14397433
Yeah that sounds too strong, but what I'm getting at is that it's basically a new cool look they were going for and was used because 00 was popular. So in my view, they seem to get the idea of the cool physical weapon would appeal to people from 00's success and would work with 00 fags as well. To me it's one example of why Barbatos isn't very unique in looks, weaponry or what it could do.
>>14397496
And what I'm saying is that you might as well say they got it from any other show that had physical weapons (and early UC had quite a bit of them, even if not on the Gundams) and that saying it was from 00 specifically is kind of silly because 00 used a lot of beam weaponry too. It's like accusing the original of just using beam sabers because Star Wars made them popular and they thought they'd sell more because of it.
G-Reco had a lot of great designs then they went to generic shit in a shitty IBO
>>14397527
Plus Exia and upgrades are mostly known as the MORE SWORDS gundams, not the physical weapon gundams.
Maining a mace, at any rate, is fairly unheard of for a main character mech. Even if he has grorious katana on the side.
Yeah, but I never liked Gundams in the first place and always preferred Zeon suits. I love Barbatos and G-Self though.
>>14395363
Where did you learn this? I don't remember that being mentioned in the show.
>no kit
jdimsa
>>14395293
Barbatos analogy is better being some 90s clunky mouse or the Intellimouse.
>>14394775
He's apparently right since every Gundam series since that interview has broken away from the basic design (although not the colour scheme). Okawara only designed for Build Fighters which was 'give us your nostalgiafag money: the series'.
>>14397974
>>14395363
Yeah seriously, the 72 LEGENDARY GUNDAM FRAMES was mentioned every 10 seconds, but where did you get cyborgisation from? The Ein wasn't even a Gundam frame.
>>14399590
In the episode where they're explaining plans to cerborg Ein (22 or 23 I think) McGillis gives the background info on the gundams as they were the first MS to utalize AV and the full body integration Ein used is its original and true form. They even directly said that the 72 pilots gave up being human to win the war by using the gundams.
The version of AV that tekkadan uses is a more mild and simpler version which Ein calls a fake iirc.
>>14396690
M8.
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10223540
This was in 2006. He's talking about Wing and SEED.
I can understand his frustration because pretty much every character had their own mediocre gundam in those series, though there are obviously exceptions like WZTV and Freedom
Modern Gundams are boring because they are built with modularity in mind, kind of like Kamen Riders. They end up being very simple humanoids with no distinct silhouette in their base forms. If you have trouble identifying a blacked-out Gundam shape, then it isn't unique enough.
0083 is an example of interesting, unique designs from the past.
>>14399751
Most Gundam silhouettes are usually fairly distinctive. Even when the design isn't.
>>14399751
If you can't identity the G-Self or Barbatos from their silhouette you should get your eyes checked.
>>14394775
4/10 not enough shining fingers
>>14399751
The fuck nigger? The GP-01 and GP-03 are both, by definition, modular Gundams, with generic Gundam shapes.
And I love them.
I think Barbatos is a pretty unique spin on Gundam designs. Shame that it's upgrades seem to be trying to just cover up what makes it unique with more and more armor though. Hopefully they cut that shit out next season.
I genuinely think Turn A is a nice mecha design, and it's interesting seeing how the modern kits are able to follow Syd Mead's sketches in order to incorperate more complex engineering and articulation, rather than just making stuff up or redesigning out of necessity like many Gundam designs.
>>14394881
>>14394993
>>14395460
>>14395531
>>14395933
>>14399743
The article might be old, but it still is relevant nowadays.
>>14399640
Calamity War prequel OVA when
I legitimately want to see this shit even though Astaroth's original form isn't really to my liking
>>14394775
I love the classic designs. Infinitely better. But I also like weird stuff like G-reco's protag suit (never watched it) and Turn-A.
They should just pull a Mazinger and make show that's basically nothing like Gundam except having similar designers and a robot that looks kind of like a Gundam and put it in a medieval background
>>14394775
I give props to IBO for trying to shoot for a low tech thing and I feel that it could have been something but it lacked a vital piece. Can't say what.
I despise G-Reco designs though. AGE was pretty hit or miss as well.I never noticed how cool a Build Burning with the red and purple parts metallic looked I'm gonna have to try that some day
