Gundam IBO
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So, I'm new to gundam, so far I've watched only 0079 and I watched IBO because I wanted to buy a graze HG. Why does everybody say that IBO is so shitty? I had a blast watching it, of course it has some really easy to predict plot twists and not so great characters(I still liked most of them), but it has some great OSTs and cool fight scenes and mecha design. It's not a masterpiece but I really enjoyed it. Why am I wrong /m/?
Once you've watched more Gundam you'll understand
Its the most recent gundam. Any flaws it has are going to be drastically blown out of proportion until you think its the worst show ever going by the threads and people will also be actively making shit up about it to exacerbate it even more.
Overall it's a fairly meh gundam series with a few issues with some of the writing and mecha animation hampering it.
>>14360905
It improves a lot when you aren't watching it as it airs, because you can just take the space arc in one sitting
Cause there's like 13 better shows in the franchise
>Boy orphans become pilots of giant war machines and change the politics of both Mars and Earth
>Girl orphans do nothing but be sex slaves
It's a bit simple, plotwise, and some of the characterization is shallow. Compared to the rest of the metaseries, it comes up pretty short, but I enjoyed it. Fun designs, and a light enough watch. It's a lot better in one batch than weekly though, let me tell you.
I dunno. It felt different enough to me to keep me interested, while still being gundam-y enough to be comfortably familiar.
>>14360905
>Why does everybody say that IBO is so shitty? I had a blast watching it
>I'm new to gundam
There's your answer
>>14360931
Wait so the reason people didn't like it is because they're butthurt SJW retards? Wake up boy, girls don't do gundam so there is literally no reason to pander to them.
>>14360905
Didn't we have this topic literally a week or two ago?
>>14360931
As they should.
>>14360905
It's only retards trying to spread the fake narrative that no one likes IBO, the truth is that most people liked it. Look at BD sales or forums, hell, it was even the 12th or 13th AOTY on 2ch.
>>14361692
>Look at BD sales
haven't those been declining a lot?
>>14361620
>Wait so the reason people didn't like it is because they're butthurt SJW retards?
Fuck no. Are you false flagging or an idiot?
>>14361692
>Look at forums
You mean the same ones that will censor people that don't think like them? Since the Toonami airing I've seen more people calling IBO out on the negatives.
Because grecofags are butthurt that this show blows it out of the water in every respect.
IBO had a great first two episodes. But then they go to space and nothing happened.
>>14361692
>12th or 13th AOTY on 2ch
> a list that had A/Z on the top 10
Tell me about the superior Nip taste.
>>14361699
13k volume one to something like 6.7k for volume six at the moment. Still good numbers, but there's a lot of people who stopped buying. Not to mention the show was mocked on Japanese image boards over it's poor ratings.
>>14360931
You understand that IBO is not MuvLuv? Let me guess, you also want a german girl with tits the size of melons wearing a skintight pilot suit who is a sex slave off duty.
Thank god m isnt the director of IBO or we will have a gundam that shamelessly glorify sex slaves as pilots
>>14362313
>or we will have a gundam that shamelessly glorify sex slaves as pilots
But Unicorn already exists.
>>14362323
Marida is brushed with and was made a sex slave as a way to canocially kill any possibility of a puru descendent. What I was thinking was someone like Liz. Good looks, fuckable body. Fanservice moments where she embraces her bro in the nude.
Or fucking hell the Cross Ange Cast if we are talking prisoners/debris as pilots. You think this would improve ibo?
>>14362411
You're forgetting that Angelo was also literally a fuccboi.
>>14361692
Not him but, what does sales have to do with anything? You know what has literally never caught on in the west outside of small circles, despite trying for decades? Lupin III, despite being fantastic.
You know what else is considering a masterpiece but didn't make anywhere near the kind of money it needed to for its costs? Fantasia.Yes I'm aware is was like the 2nd highest grossing film that year, but the budget of that movie was phenomenal for 1940.
>>14362411
>Marida is brushed with and was made a sex slave as a way to canocially kill any possibility of a puru descendent.
Not true, the author said he killed her off because he couldn't think of what else to do with her in the ending.
>>14362454
You didnt hear about how she was rendered barren?
>>14362411
>You think this would improve ibo?
No? Adding more eye candy isn't going to do shit for the show. Especially if they aren't characters and just meant to be eye candy.
>>14361620
>Wake up boy, girls don't do gundam so there is literally no reason to pander to them
Wait, really? I always thought that Gundam was popular among fujos, just like most other "MANime".
>>14362471
She was, but that's not why she was killed.
Also what's wrong with her differs between the book and the ova. In the ova the madam just had a hysterectomy performed on her, so pregnancy couldn't become an issues. In the books she just had so many abortions that it fucked her up, it's not IMPOSSIBLE for her to have children in that, but it might as well be.
>>14360923
What I did, space dragged on. But it wasn't hard to sit through it while marathoning it. I can only imagine what it must have been like waiting for a new episode each week. But I feel like once they got to Dort the show hits it's stride, Kudelia's own take on Char's speech at Dakar was what really hit it home for me.
But I came off really liking the show. Mainly due to the power struggles between the factions and how they used Kudelia and Tekkadan for their own gain in what felt like a organic or realistic manner. Watching Kudelia and Orga own up to what they meant to those around them was a nice touch as well. It's not groundbreaking or amazing. But it's not poorly done, just the pacing in space is pretty poor.
Literally Gundam for retards. I've had multiple discussions with the people that liked it and they themselves point out the flaws, but see them as good things despite raging about other series for the same things. It's obviously liked because anime fans are usually idiots and IBO's retarded unnatural exposition dialogue made them feel smart because they understand it.
The characters behave like set pieces despite being a character driven story. The show mostly depend on it's shallow gritty look to draw in normies into this "serious and very grounded" series.
>>14362451
But I thought Lupin is big in Europe. The Italians even got the 2015 series first.
>>14362523
>Comparing Kudelia's speech to Char's
Jesus, you what?
When a new Gundam tv series is out a group of autists shitpost and false flag everything. While the series has flaws, it's probably one of the more "gritty, realistic" Gundams we've had in a while. By that I mean less lasers, newtype hax and actively trying to avoid fights due to costs and whatnot. This realism that the writers is trying to create makes this show a honeypot for shitposting.
I used to watch every gundam, religously. It meant i even forced myself through SEED and destiny. I broke somewhere along the way though, I still haven't watched, AGE, was it? And there's been 3 series or something since then, more if you count build stuff? I'm just honestly a bit sick of it now. I watched thunderbolt since that was just 4 episodes.
Of anything that came out since 00, which ones have had a unique enough spin on it to feel fresh? and why?
>>14361760
> mocked on Japanese image boards over it's poor ratings
Haven't most Gundams experienced poor ratings? If IBO is doing Age business, then it might be time to talk.
>>14361715
This, basically.
It's straightforward and coherent, so the people who enjoyed "bash people who didn't like my show as if they're stupid" have nothing to work with. You don't need rewatches, rationalizations, or extensive discussion to connect all the dots, so since everyone gets it those people who want to be elitist can only do so by claiming the show is beneath them.
>>14363105
>straightforward and coherent
It's also boring, stupid and ugly.
>>14363104
Lower ratings than Age.
>>14360905
>It's not a masterpiece but I really enjoyed it. >Why am I wrong /m/?
Wrong for not knowing that you are right in 1st place.
Take it from someone who is a vehement supporter of G-Reco.
>>14363001
The whole thing was modeled after the speech, using the actions of your enemy to create sympathy for your cause. While her speech isn't even close to Char's you can see the whole situation was modeled after its events.
>>14363156
Wow, that's impressive.
>>14362313
Isn't that basically what Teiwaz was?
I just flat got bored with it, there wasn't enough with the show to leave me interested. Usually, /m/ can keep me interested from discussion, but I died when Biscuits brother showed up. I couldn't handle another unmentioned until plot convenient brother, after we just had Akihiro's and it's awful 3 episode plot . That ultimately was when I dropped it, only gundam I've ever dropped.
>>14360905
>great OSTs
Fucking kek, wait until you watch more Gundam. Or mecha. Or anime.
>>14363366
Nah that was just a ruse, it's really just a shelter organization for neglected and abused girls.
>>14360905
>I had a blast watching it
That's not the same as it being good.
My main issue with IBO, though, is that Tekkadan basically seems like Space ISIS. And they win. Worse, you're meant to cheer for them. I honestly can't.
>>14363469
Reminder: Japanese PTA groups hated the Dort arc because we were supposed to sympathize with the workers making terrorist threats. That arc of IBO was referred to as being "more harmful to show children than pornography."
>>14363494
This is the first time I've ever really agreed with PTA groups, in that case.
>>14361692
Why is it so difficult for some people to understand that there is a large group who did not like IBO.
No one is making a conspiracy and spreading fake narratives man.
And yes, there are more people who like it than people who dislike it. /m/ is pretty much the only place where the detractors outnumber the fans. But that doesn't mean you're just getting memed.
Thread after thread there's people who explain their point of view and why they did not like IBO. You can disagree but stop this asinine "It's just a meme guys everyone loves it" shit.
>>14363555
No the truth is LITERALLY no one dislikes G-Reco or IBO.
The people who say that they do are INTENTIONALLY trying to stir shit up.
>>14363469
>>14363555
The problem is people can't seem to separate quality from enjoyability. A show can be objectively shit from every angle and still manage to entertain. Or it can be objectively amazing and still fail to grab most of its audience.
In the former case people will shitpost that fans have shit taste, in the latter that they're insufferable hipsters.
>>14361715
>>14363105
>>14360931
How dare the reality of what a non-civilized world would be like seep into it!
>>14360922
>>14360923
This.
Honestly, it's different so it's gonna ruffle the fanboy feathers regardless of it's merits. It's not perfect, but it' good enough for what it is.
>>14365218
I didn't hate it for being different. I love it when Gundam tries to do new things. The problem was 100% in the execution, which was very flawed. It's not the shittiest shit ever but it's still a 3/10 for me.
>>14363494
Holy shit, someone other than me thought those fuckers were terrorists?
>>14365344
Yup, and the show caught shit because of it.
TFW people try to use "it's focuses on politics" to defend IBO. I mean ffs Octobeard lied to Kudelia about having power, causing her to hire Tekkadan as an escort leaving many of it's members dead throughout the course of the mission, blackmails them when they arrive to take him to Edmonton, has no problem using child soldiers or Mika's methods... and we're still supposed to want this guy back in power because it benefits the protagonists. The Japanese website said he resigned from power following a bribery scandal. He resigned,and had to pull all this shit to get back in power. Because of him, Edmonton was under siege for 3 days.
They fucking better do something about this in season two.
>>14360905
I wasn't entertained much by IBO, the fights were not very well choreographed or animated and the space arc took forever. The characters were shallow and even more grating than early Zeta Kamille, I wasn't a fan of the designs especially all the Grazes.
Oh and not having beam weapons really made the animation look even lazier than spinning and zooming a still of Barbatos.
>>14365534
>especially all the Grazes
But vanilla Graze is actually a really good design minus the heels.
>>14365498
>blackmails them when they arrive to take him to Edmonton, has no problem using child soldiers or Mika's methods... and we're still supposed to want this guy back in power because it benefits the protagonists. The Japanese website said he resigned from power following a bribery scandal. He resigned,and had to pull all this shit to get back in power. Because of him, Edmonton was under siege for 3 days.
I literally forgot these portions due to how much text I had to read. Remember when anime was more about focusing on visuals?
>>14365555
I dunno, when the text is just repeating the same thing over and over it's hard for me to forget.
>>14365545
Its alright, kind of bland like any antagonistic fodder unit but after 10 other versions with minor differences IN SHOW I just got tired of seeing them.
The thing is, on the surface IBO looks legit. Everything seems to work fine and an enjoyable experience can be had. It's only upon examination that it starts falling apart like removing a weight-bearing pillar. Take the aforementioned Dort Workers or the Former Prime Minister, who begin to look far worse once their actions come scrutiny. Or how Tekkadan is supposed to be this underdog against the oppressive heal of the world, only for the events that transpire to always have them land on top without breaking much of a sweat while having OP machines.
It kinda reminds me of mobster movies. See, a good mob movie balances itself and never lets you forget than from other people's perspective they are the bad guys. That underneath their likable portrayals are criminals who will go to shocking lengths to make things go their way. IBO thus far fails on that last part. Sure, Tekkadan does go to those lengths and are shown to have a cult-like mentality but the show undermines itself constantly. It doesn't matter that Tekkadan breaks the law, Gjallarhorn is corrupt and by opposing them Tekkadan are heroic knights. And the whole "our deaths will make Tekkadan stronger" bit is undermined by the show saying they can easily return to being normal brats instead of emotional damage.
It's a good show in concept, but the execution ultimately isn't there... but if the show could address these issues in season 2 I feel it would redeem the first greatly.
>>14365570
Yeah the variants kill it. It's like a MSV book threw up on the script.
>>14360905
Your opinion isnt wrong, it can't be wrong because it's an opinion.
I just think IBO is unengaging, the characters are bad and the drama is poorly done. Which in my opinion makes it a bad show.
>>14366259
I swear, every death I felt there should have been text on the bottom of the screen saying "Award Bait"
>>14360905
It was an alright series, nothing special, not offensive. Certainly wasn't no 0079.
>>14362953
Italy and France only.
>>14366418
Not exactly "small circles" though.
>>14364034
You are literally the personification of butthurt in human form. I see you post in every fucking discussion that might remotely involve G-Reco. Do you browse every thread on /m/, routinely searching for everyone that doesn't like your shit ass show just so you can trod out the same fucking reply
>hurr durr samefag
Hey, you wanna know what the definition of autism is? it's posting the same shit over and over again and expecting people to not laugh at how much of autistic sperg you are.
tl;dr: >>14364034 is an autistic sperg
>>14366235
>they can easily return to being normal brats instead of emotional damage.
I agree with your points, but disagree just on this one. They were never normal kids to begin with. To the outsider (through Merribit), these kids should be "damaged" as you say. Kids shouldn't be volunteering to pilot tanks and seek glory in death. That shit's fucking ISIS right there. But what Merribit failed to accept, and what Aina did somewhere in the middle, was that these children did not have normal lives to begin with. They're a bunch of illiterate second-class citizens. It's a disturbing reality, but at the same time it's that or starvation for them.
>>14367384
Sorry, I misspoke. I didn't mean normal normal when I said they could return to being normal brats. I was trying to recall the phrasing used in the show. What I meant to say is they can return to being what is considered normal for them. They are what you said underneath the guise of generic anime kids, but what pissed me off was that this was considered the happy ending. That even Merribit, the "think of the children" lady of the show, would be happy if they went back to acting normal. Ignoring what she had seen, despite how much she was against it.
We're just supposed to accept that they're fucked up, that they have no other choice but to put their lives on the line for money and we're supposed to be okay with that. That we're not supposed to pity them despite how much the show indulges in poverty porn, which led to their situation in the first place. They go back to acting like the same brats they were beforehand and everything's fine, despite the losses they've suffered due to Octobeard's bullshit.
>>14360905
To some people, any Gundam made after 2000 is shit.
If you enjoy something, enjoy it.
>>14366465
>>14363105
>>14361715
You are literally the personification of butthurt in human form. I see you shitpost in every fucking discussion that might remotely involve G-Reco. Do you browse every thread on /m/, routinely searching for everyone that isn't a shitstain just so you can trod out the same fucking shitposts
>hurr durr im not a samefag XD
Hey, you wanna know what the definition of autism is? it's posting the same shitposts and samefagging over and over again and expecting people to not laugh at how much of autistic sperg you are.
tl;dr: >>14366465 is an autistic sperg
