So what would a proper Fed aquatic MS look like? I mean, there was the Aqua GM, but it was shit.
let's stop and think about federation design for a minute
1. everything is Jim
2. Make Jim work everywhere.
3. When in doubt make a better J̶i̶m̶ ̶N̶e̶m̶o̶ Jegan to do every job.
4. Do a limited production run of suits based on a gundam if nothing is working
Aqua GM is perfect for federation design philosophy.
Urrhm, like this? I mean, it is based on a marine animal...
This thread was made specifically to bully, that's pretty mean of you. Aqua GM may be a little useless but it's 100% cute and it tries very hard. It's absolutely proper for the Federation.
Sloop, the lazy older brother, was a prior failed marine design.
There's also the few Aqua GMs who were upgraded into something decent, the Waterproof (it's sad that that's its claim to fame) Gundam, aka Gundiver. It can hold its own against many of Zeon's underwater MS, although they still weren't particularly special. Still outclassed by the unorthodox but effective designs of Zeon.
We all know that it backfired on Zeon in the end though.
>>14354988
Just give it weapons that aren't pointless shit. Who the fuck thought that completely mundane grappling hooks made for good primary weapons. There are beam weapons that work underwater, give it one of those. Strap on some missiles/torps like the GM III.
Another updated picture. I just now nabbed these off of Google since I'm on mobile, others are free to post higher res pics of these beauties.
>>14355179
It has torpedoes, but underwater beam weapons are shit. Zeon had to use mega particle cannons in their MS just to make sure they wouldn't be 100% useless on top of special reactors that utilize the water as a heat sink. The anchors are probably because the Aqua loses major melee range due to its Beam Picks, so it's a way to close the distance. The harpoon gun... Well, nobody remembers the harpoon gun anyway and I think it's for the best.
>>14355179
It does have torpedo launchers in addition melee range "beam pick" (why beam dagger wasn't chosen as the name I'll never know), but its reactor isn't strong enough to use proper ranged beam weaponry underwater, that's where the Gundam upgrade came in.
>>14355194
Goddamnit you Ninja'd me
>>14355177
It's stupid that Zeon, a nation completely without oceans to test any of this shit and completely lacking any blue water naval design experience, was somehow able to make more effective amphibious units than the Earth Federation. Not only that, they were able to make amphibious units in 0079 that still outclassed practically every federation grunt up through the 0090s.
It's like people who are subterranean and have never made a plane before suddenly designing the greatest air superiority fighter that the world has ever seen and that stays on top for decades.
>>14355194
The Waterproof had an underwater beam rifle by the way but remember that GMs had to save on costs on every corner so handing those out like candy to an MS that would serve almost zero strategic purpose in the grand scheme of things would be a waste.
I also stumbled across this while looking for pictures. What hath God wrought upon our humble Earth, and why?
>>14355205
Post the text anon.
>>14355204
speaking of subterranean
(its from Blaster Mari)
>>14355204
The Federation gave no shits about the ocean, the Aqua GM was literally "strap some torpedoes and a turbine on that GM and send it out". It leaked, even, because it was never intended for water. Jovians could have designed something better and they barely have water to test it in thanks to crazy rations.
And don't trust Unicorn showing you all those OYW suits beating more modern suits. It's 100% bullshit. They would have wrecked their contemporaries (Aquas) anyway but the rest of the time the Feddies just sat there like it was their turn to be target practice. Absolutely not a display of mechanical ability.
>>14355212
Fuck you I'm not clicking that
>>14355197
Pretty sure Beam Rifles and Beam Spray Guns both operate on E-Cap/E-Pacs or whatever. Neither relies on the reactor, it's purely a cost-saving measure to give GMs shittier weapons. As far as I remember, at least.
>>14355204
Guess the Federation didn't put much stock in marine and amphibious units, or ones specialized in it. Maybe they should have given how badly they got decimated by those types of units.
>>14355227
E-Caps are charged by a reactor, which is why (as an example) the Zaku Sniper has that huge ass backpack reactor with a cable connected to the rifle, normally its reactor just doesn't have the output to charge the e-cap
>>14355243
Got it, I'm a little rusty on some of the mechanical details. Thanks.
>>14355232
They only got BTFO a small handful of times over the course of many years and in positions that weren't actually important. Meanwhile Zeon wasted countless hours of research, resources, manpower, supply lines and planning to capture a theatre that went almost completely uncontested. It was in the Federation's best interests to let it go and by cutting their losses extremely short they raped Zeon's budget. Granted, they should have had a Aqua GM II/III or something by Unicorn so their carriers wouldn't be so utterly defenseless against the Zee Zulus but whatever, Torrington was a drop in the bucket. I only say that because I want more aquatic designs.
>>14355279
Aqua Jegan Nao
>>14355294
I specifically avoided saying Jegan because I'm afraid of the Frankenstein that would result but I AM a little curious. It's like the forbidden lovechild of space and sea, a taboo MS that has no right to exist...
>>14355279
>Aqua GM III
[BONER INTENSIFIES]
GM III is best GM
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JI97r6C.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>14354988
They actually replaced the Aqua GM with this.
Titans sugoi.
>>14355356
And it was just as crap
>>14355356
It's shit and hardly a Federation design. Like the Hi-Zack, it doesn't belong on either side and is generally reserved for the trash.
>>14355356
Fucking hell, did they have to make the Titans replace all their stuff with zeek-looking stuff? I thought they were supposed to be EARTH PRIDE EARTHSPHERE WIDE
>>14355642
The titans went full retard after 30 bunch, Byarlant, Mark-II and Pyscho Gundam were the only ones that weren't Zeek knockoff shit (although Marasai was originally supposed to be AEUG)
![f1892b6370bda4b8b97a4a29e2d9dfcc[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1JuBQID.jpg "f1892b6370bda4b8b97a4a29e2d9dfcc[1].jpg")
>>14355371
Fuck you HiZack is great
>>14355693
Hizack is literally a shit. Gelgoog goes beam weapons better and its 6 years older
>>14354988
Ok rx-78-1 aka Gundam prototype is developed or rebuilt into rx-78-1[N] Gundam local type. Using data from this unit and spare project v parts they develop rx-79[G] the Gundam ground type which in turn develops into rgm-79[G] the ground gm. 1/3
>>14355713
Show us where this goes
>>14355717
http://www.gundam-the-origin.net/msd/
here's the source of the flow charts
>>14355713
Originally the rag-79 aqua gm was based off the rgm-79u gm sloop. They later upgrade it into the rag-79-g1 Gundam waterproof type. But now they say rx-78-1[N] was involved in its development, forking into the ground gundam and aqua gm. 2/3 Sorry for slow response trying to find the pictures.
>>14355741
But if you look at the feet, head visor, crotch and all over frame of ththlocal type makes more sense if it was developed into the waterproof Gundam first then turned into aqua gm. The model itself looks as if there may be a waterproof in the future as it's overall frame would easily be modified with a few different sprues but the body. Note the calf armor is separate allowing for the leg aqua parts, the crotch although one piece on the hg, is easily swapped but shares the shape minus the lower armor for vents.
So why go local aqua waterproof? Msd hopefully will fix it but it should definitely be more powerful and not just a upgraded gm. 3/3
>>14355741
higher res please
>>14355765
Okay.
>>14355765
>>14355371
>>14355642
>>14355683
>Hurrhurr Titans did nothing wrong
>Suddenly their MS are all zeek-looking
>Hurrhurr Titans did nothing wrong
>Their leader was actually a spacenoid supremacist
>H-Hurr...hurr...Titans did nothing...wrong?
>Their replacement leader was a gas nigger from Jupiter
>HURRHURR TITANS DID NOTHING WROOOOOOONG
>>14355204
Zeon looked at the Earth, saw that it was mostly blue, and must have assumed that aquatic units would therefore be far more important.
>>14355642
So we know that they're the bad guys.
Plus the Hi-Zack is super economical to build.
>>14355699
But it looks cool
Don't forget the Quel too
>>14355642
Officially, it's because they apparently hired the engies who made MS for the zeeks to avoid wasting talent, and they went with what they know best.
But we all know it's just because the Titans are the villains so they have to look the part.
>>14355220
Even in original series they have established that minovsky particles meant very little in underwater combat. Sonar was still effective. The EF's submarine fleet are good enough to deal with everything Zeon can throw at them. The aquatic MS/MAs were not much more than submarines with legs. Their only use was niche targets like Jaburo where there were "amphibious" combat. It's sensible to just put together a GM with some waterproofing to fill in the small niche where they could be useful.
>>14355683
The Byarlant was absolutely glorious, though.
>>14355909
I can't take Byarlant seriously because of the goatse thruster.
Did they really have to paint the inside red
>>14355220
>Jovians could have designed something better and they barely have water to test it in thanks to crazy rations.
Why do they have so little water, anyway? Jupiter's moons are made of the stuff, there's more water in Europa than there is on the entire planet Earth. I suppose it's some crazy artificial shortage caused by Dogatie because he's evil like that, but how does he justify it? What propaganda does he use to claim that the literal ocean moons aren't suitable for harvesting water from?
>>14355926
It's the same color as the insides of all the other thrusters.
>>14355837
I remember reading either here or elsewhere that the GM Quals were actually hyper expensive to maintain and would break down regularly for no obvious reasons and the parts needed to fix them were stupidly expensive. Like to fix one Qual would put a division over budget, and at any time six of them needed fixing.
And then along comes Zeoni- I mean Anaheim Electronics with a super cheap, super easy to fix HiZack.
>>14355683
>Green+monoeye=ZEEK
Scirocco's MS designs look nothing like the standard Zeon stuff though.
>>14357049
Except GasNigger didn't design the Hizack.
>>14357103
No, of course not. That's exactly my point: how can the majority of Titans MS be Zeek knockoffs when only the Hizack, Marasai, Galbaldy Beta and Asshimar share any design traits beyond that wild generalization I green texted?
That reminds me, according to MSV-R Return of Johnny Ridden, because Zeon amphibious MS were superior, after the OYW, even the Federation used those captured MS to an extent. Like the Ram Z'gok in the story.
>>14357136
Because GasNigger's customs are also cyclops-themed, and because he's from space like most other spaceniggers, it means they are wrong, and probably shoddily built.
Not like Jim. Jim is STRONK!
>>14357139
When you think about it was a very cost effective measure. Make the enemy waste resources and then take them for yourself
>>14357196
They used Action Zakus for a good minute, too. it makes even more sense when you consider that all the newest, shiny expensive stuff got blown up in 0083 and they had to rebuild the EFSF after already spending the budget to do so. Filling the gaps with Zeon captures and surviving Zeon production lines was an easy choice to make.
>>14355713
>they develop rx-79[G] the Gundam ground type which in turn develops into rgm-79[G] the ground gm
Don't the regular gundam & GM already do well on the ground?
>>14355683
I don't know, I love the barzam family refined Barzam is especially feddy when you look at it outside of the head. I wish I could say the same about normal barzam though.
>>14359241
Bar-GM>Barzam
>>14359241
Refined Barzam is literally a Gundam with a new crotch, slightly different torso and a monoeye head. No shit it's Feddie.
>>14358540
Its literally well shit, we dont have any good idea of where to start to cut costs, and we have all this spare project v parts, why not use some data off the gundams and try to make something that we can later refine.
>>14359241
Is that last one supposed to be a Refined Bar-GM?
>>14360632
Yes, and it looks rad as shit.
>>14360664
Repulsive, atrocious and deplorable? I agree, who else besides Okawara thinks that color scheme and lego man proportions looks even remotely passable? I'll stick with Refined Barzam thank you.
I have zero memory of the Barzam ever actually being in Zeta.
>>14360664
It's not as good as the Refined Barzam to me, even though I hate monoeyes, because the AoZ art is so... crisp? I don't know how to describe it, but it's the way it is. Also the Titans color scheme is amazing and not keeping it was the worst thing the Feds did.
>>14355688
I do think that the Guncannon seems like the most likely representation of what a Fed marine MS would look like.
>>14360921
>>14359241
Why does Barzam have a vagoo, anyway?
>>14360806
>judging a design by the quality of the artwork
I fucking love monoeyes and that head is still sweet as hell btw.
>>14355137
What fucking animal is that based on? A stingray?
>>14354988
Why are they armed with harpoons and not torpedoes or beam weapons?
![guncannon-harbordefense[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/76nhMLz.jpg "guncannon-harbordefense[1].jpg")
>>14360921
not exactly an amphibious MS, but have a harbour defense guncannon
>>14355194
>Well, nobody remembers the harpoon gun anyway and I think it's for the best.
That's literally all Unicorn remembered. Even when the submarine was fighting all the GMs used were harpoons.
>>14360959
It looks like a pelvic beam cannon anon
>>14361028
It's a vernier you mongoloid
>>14356175
Jovian water is full of radiation. They can only import pure water from beyond Jupiter.
>>14358540
Ground GM is better armored and sturdier, and lacks thrusters.
>>14354988
Probably like a Daughseat with a GM head, since the Daughtress is pretty much a GM redesign with a different head.
>>14357136
to be fair galbaldy was a zeon suit cut from 0079 because reasons
>>14355279
>They only got BTFO a small handful of times over the course of many years and in positions that weren't actually important. Meanwhile Zeon wasted countless hours of research, resources, manpower, supply lines and planning to capture a theatre that went almost completely uncontested. It was in the Federation's best interests to let it go and by cutting their losses extremely short they raped Zeon's budget. Granted, they should have had a Aqua GM II/III or something by Unicorn so their carriers wouldn't be so utterly defenseless against the Zee Zulus but whatever, Torrington was a drop in the bucket. I only say that because I want more aquatic designs.
It makes no sense for them to even have those. The actual base was like km away from the shore. What's weird is they didn't have any early warning systems or mega particle turrets.
>>14361121
Somehow Torrington base must have been partly relocated next to the water because I recall warships docked there that the Shamblo tore through, GMs were standing on top of those ships.
>>14361036
Well then why does the one on the Refined-Barzam bear a design similar to the ZZ Gundams high mega beam cannon? Explain that anon
>>14361121
Zee Zulus were probably escorting the Shamblo.
>>14361261
Coincidence
>>14355205
>>14355212
>>14355227
Fine, I'll do it.
Christ, 33 chapters. I aint' gonna do that, though.
>>14361343
That's painful to read.I wonder if there's any art of this, it would make some pretty funny, if derailing, image macros.
>>14361343
Besides DK Meets Lucky Star, the only fanfic I've ever tried to read was a Madoka one. Then it kept getting longer and before I knew it it was 580,000 words long and I can't make myself pick it back up.
>>14355926
>Did they really have to paint the inside red
Of course. It makes it three times faster.
>>14360949
ok, that actually looks pretty boss. what era is that suppose to be?
>>14361289
>not wanting a crotch beam
LAME
Wasn't there a sidestory of civilian-owned GMs that had jetskis on their legs?
>>14364466
It was from Thunderbolt.
>>14355025
>let's stop and think about federation design for a minute
>1. everything is Jim
Well, isn't that more cost-efficient in the long run?
>>14361953
Underneath all of the custom parts and paint and detailing, it's a Guncannon, the red artillery support fire machine from the original series.
>>14364451
Wanting =/= is
>>14360921
>>14361013
Something like this maybe
>>14369154
The weird-ass Guncannon from The Origin could pass as a marine Fed MS too.
>>14354988
Why were there no underwater cities, mines, and aquaculture farms for Zeon to capture in Gundam?
>>14370146
There might have been but well
>pic related
>>14370209
Then why bother building so many fucking watersuits? It's a total and complete waste of resources. Even Jaburo isn't that important if you besiege it and cut off all its supplies, or drop colonies on it from orbit.
>>14370213
Because Spacenoids are retarded?
>>14370213
>Even Jaburo isn't that important if you besiege it and cut off all its supplies, or drop colonies on it from orbit.
None of those options are practical considering Zeon only knew it was somewhere in South America at the time.
>>14370225
>SOMEWHERE IN THE JUNGLES OF SOUTH AMERICA
>JABURO
Is Zeon basically committing like 90% of all its Southern Hemisphere military resources into trying to find a hidden Federation fortress that, for all they know, is just somewhere in South America? Like, did they just say
>Okay, we'll start with the Falklands
>And work our way up
>Send the armies
>Send the supplies
>Develop and mass-produce niche mobile suits
>And somewhere in South America, we'll do SOMETHING with it!
>>14370225
>>14370238
Thank you for proving my point
>>14370213
>>14370249
They did have underwater cities in Victory.
>>14370249
So the Zeeks have two Marine Corps, the Competent people who are actual marines, and the people who end up screwed because Zeon high command is retarded
>>14370355
Weren't Red Nose and his Acguy platoon Marines?
>>14370361
And they got fucked up the ass by Amuro, your point
What is this
>>14357266
Y'know, until now I never made that connection. That does provide a good explanation for why the EFSF/Titans had so many non GMs, and why GMIIs weren't as good as all OYW variants, they probably mostly had the GM Kais etc at the naval review, and left the base GMs and captured Zeon suits back at the bases/in mothballs
>>14370377
MS-15LJN
"SACKU"
Some kind of armored Zaku derivative.
>>14370399
Here have a Suzaku
>>14370399
>MS-15LJN
"15"? It looks like an 05 variant...
What's this from?
>>14370240
How the fuck did they ever win.
>>14370220
>Spacenoids are retarded?
>Jamitov is Spacenoid Supremacist
>So is Scirocco
Hey pot. It's me kettle. You're a jiggaboo too.
>>14370611
Depends on what you mean by "Winning". If you mean 0083, it's because the feddies -let- them. If you mean Zeta, it's because AEUG and Titans were tired from fighting eachother.
They didn't even win in Unicorn. That was a group consisting of feddies, zeeks, and an autist. So basically the true winner of early UC wasUNDERSTANDING
>>14370760
They were crushing the Feddies for 9 out of 12 months in the OYW.
They nearly defeated the Titans and AEUG/Londo Bell.
They almost managed to crash Axis into Earth.
They managed to get their hands on Laplace's Box.
>>14370769
>They were crushing the Feddies for 9 out of 12 months in the OYW.
And they still lost.
>They nearly defeated the Titans and AEUG/Londo Bell.
Again. They won at the end of Zeta because AEUG and the Titans wore themselves out slapping eachother around. They lost in Double Zeta because Haman stopped giving a shit, and Glemy was too busy chasing blueberry yogurt.
>They almost managed to crash Axis into Earth.
What is it with you retardedly declaring "Almost winning" as the same thing as actually winning?
>They managed to get their hands on Laplace's Box.
Umm. No. Mineva and the Garancieres weren't affiliated with the sleeves when they got the box. And even then, Zeon still re-joined the federation shortly after anyway.
I'm a zeekfag and even I know they never actually win in the end.
>>14370146
Because in reality there's no room for rapture and building cities and farms underwater is both wasteful and incredibly stupid.
>>14370760
Sirocco is a spacenoid you idiot, he's from fucking Jupiter, which last I was orbited by space colonies.
Jamitov, well we all know how that turned out now don't we, shot by a man who signed an oath of loyalty with his own blood.
>>14373696
And I accidentally my fucking post again, meant "last I checked was" instead of "last I was"
>>14370532
MSV-R Return of Ridden newest volume, aquatically modded Zaku II to be 100% stealthy so long as it moves slow enough.
>>14373737
...
Honestly that sounds fucking retarded, unless stealthy refers to not giving a sonar return in this case.
>>14373748
Yeah, it's underwater. No sonar, no sound, and obviously visibility is already not a factor. I forget if they used any other tracking method but don't worry they're actually pretty shitty.
>>14357145
>probably
It fucking stopped moving when Kamille started screaming at it
>>14373790
Kamille broke its onboard computer with his rage, how is that a surprise?
>>14373737
[HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER INTENSIFIES]
>>14370785
Your argument is basically
>Yes Hitler did conquer Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, The Netherlands, and France
>But he lost at the end so the Nazis never won
Zeon was winning for most of the conflicts they fought, they just fumbled it at the end. WHat I'm asking is how could they possibly even garner those early victories when they're so fucking stupid as to build a fleet of shitty aquatic MS that only existed to waste resources they couldn't afford?
>>14374121
Hitler funded a bunch of stupid shit and tried to defund some of the smart shit, not to mention he was a terrible military leader. Zeon's retarded ideas were based directly on the Nazi's Wonder Weapons. Gihren didn't inherit his predecessor's poor leadership, but there were plenty of projects that existed that probably shouldn't have. Although, chances are they were under Degwin, Dozle, or Garma. Kycilia made the right call with crazy Newtype shit, though.
>>14361084
AQUA LEO
>>14374121
>WHat I'm asking is how could they possibly even garner those early victories when they're so fucking stupid as to build a fleet of shitty aquatic MS that only existed to waste resources they couldn't afford?
Because they had mobile suits and the Federation didn't, numbnuts.
While they were already losing before the GM rolled out, once they lost their overwhelming technological advantage they had no chance.
>>14373835
A nuclear-armed stealth Zeon aquatic MS has gone rogue. Now a [insert Feddie alphabet intelligence agency] analyst, a clever Aqua GM pilot and sonar operator, and a naval officer need to track it down and help it defect before the Zeon forces can recover it.
I'd read it.
