What's his problem /m/?
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>>14294634
He didn't embrace his Space Autism until it was too late.
>>14294634
Got sick of all this sht
He didn't want to accept he was one of the bad guys.
>>14294634
He committed the immortal sin of killing a fan favorite character.
Now it doesn't even matter if he is a good character or not all you see is knee-jerk reactions.
>>14294641
banana man was getting a bit too much,can't blame him
this is what happens when a man becomes thirsty for too long.
Seriously, look up 90% of lone mass shooters in the US in the last 10 years. Note that while all of them are men, it's more damning that they're all pussy repellant and were all openly bitter over not getting laid.
>>14294634
Banana's shenanigans was getting in the way of his shooting zeon.
>>14294647
He wasn't a good character though. Literally his whole character is a result of
>anger over his family
>jealousy of Banana
>>14294634
Bananaman getting that sweet Zeek pussy
Good man in the wrong show.
Same issue as Rossiu using logic in a show where screaming harder wins you battles.
>>14294710
But Rossiu's logic was terrible.
>>14294710
>wants to fuck zeekscum
>good
eyyy
>>14294730
She's cute and a political marriage would solve everything in japland logic.
>>14294712
Screaming inside of outdated robots against a vastly superior enemy makes so much sense instead.
The only wrong thing Rossiu did was imprisoning Simon.
>>14294640
Pretty much, he acted autistic when he was supposed to act space autistic.
>>14294733
>Screaming inside of outdated robots against a vastly superior enemy makes so much sense instead.
Said robot was in fact specifically built to destroy that enemy to begin with.
>>14294733
>The only wrong thing Rossiu did was imprisoning Simon.
And strapping his girlfriend to a bomb inside the one machine that was effective
And becoming another LordGenome when it came to the surface
And planning to put to death the one guy who was capable of doing anything
And then trying to kill yourself out of cowardice because you fucked up so hard
He made the fat lad cry
>>14294634
Got on the wrong Gundam.Should have been on the Zeta Plus
>>14294767
>And then trying to kill yourself out of cowardice because you fucked up so hard
That was actually the only good thing Rossiu was going to do if it weren't for Simon fucking up everything as usual.
>>14294634
He's in a sealed cockpit with a helmet on and he can still smell the Zeek-fried babies outside.
>>14294838
/r/ that thunderbolt webn
![881cf819a833ce818a278cbbad276dff[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bOkiEP9.jpg "881cf819a833ce818a278cbbad276dff[1].jpg")
Could the Delta Plus take Byarlant Custom in a fight?
>>14294856
That Byarlant would wipe the floor of a delta plus
>>14294634
Banana took his bitch
>>14294634
he had the need for speed
>>14294783
You can always try to make amends when you're alive. When you're dead, that's all there is to it.
>>14294733
>The only wrong thing Rossiu did was imprisoning Simon.
No. Rossiu's problem was he tried common sense and logic and hard sacrifice (We are hilariously outgunned by these guys so fighting is pointless, I should just save enough people to keep humanity going) in a world where the correct solution is just ignore all that and run screaming into a battle you logically shouldn't be able to win because you somehow will.
someone post the Riddhe Grimes cap
>>14294892
You'd think he'd know better by now considering what got them so far.
>>14294892
Rossiu's an idiot considering how consistently that solution works.
is banana the strongest NT canon wise?
>>14294895
>OH A COLONY LASER? WELL I DON'T HAVE TO DODGE THAT, I'M BANAGH-
>>14295043
I'm amazed people actually screencapped that post of mine.I didn't even think it was that funny, I was just making someone else's post more accurate
>>14295070
I thought it was hilarious anon, feel proud.
>>14295023
He had a Gundam that was backed by a psycoframe all over its body and some near-cyber-newtype-level training offscreen so it's hard to judge.
Acting completely sensibly and rationally but not realizing that he was in a magic laser robot anime. Then becoming so buttflustered about anime magic undermining his completely practical and reasonable opinions that he imploded into a blackhole of autism and asspain.
>>14294634
He thinks he's the hero of a story that he made up for himself, and when he isn't rewarded as he thinks the hero deserves he assumes that everyone else is the villain. Really he's just an entitled little shit trying to humbebrag his way into a girl's pants, and when that doesn't work he throws a shitfit about it.
Nothing he killed a puru
>>14298522
More like he would have been the hero of a story that isn't written by Fukui
>>14294634
I don't have as many problems with his character as most seem to have, except how he was handled in the climax.
He's rallying about how newtypes are a curse over the world and should be destroyed, yet simply telling him he's a newtype too and he hearing the Argame's crew and Puru solved everything. That felt so forced and random.
If anything realizing he is a Newtype, the very thing he is trying to destroy, in the middle of a battle like that, it should have drove him even more apeshit.
>>14295023
No, he just piloted the Gundam equivalent of Shin Getter Robo.
>can deflect a colony laser with its mind because PSYCOFRAME
>can fly through time because MAGIC
>literally invincible and can shut down stuff with a handwave
>in the novel almost turns Banana into a Space God
>Green is his ultimate color
Gundam Unicorn has more in common with Getter energy than Tomino's themes.
>>14298706
Nah. The hero doesn't throw a shitfit when he doesn't get the girl. He's an internet white knight taken offline and he just can't handle that m'lady just isn't into him. He only saves the girl because he thinks he'll get to bed if he does. He only tells Bright not to give him special treatment because he thinks that saying that will earn him brownie points. He only does anything because he expects a reward for it.
He's like those kids that are so spoiled that their parents offer them ice cream if they'll just behave in public for a little while, and just like them he throws a tantrum ten times as bad when he doesn't get his ice cream just for being not-shitty for a few minutes.
BOOM BOOM SATELLITES no more due to Kawajima's brain tumor aftereffects.
http://www.bbs-net.com/blog/top.html
>>14298766
>The hero doesn't throw a shitfit when he doesn't get the girl.
This happening is actually far more in line with literature around the time those Lady and the Unicorn tapestries were made than what we got. Old heroes weren't very heroic, they just won in the end.
Here's hoping marida doesn't die in the anime
>>14298872
Nah, son.
Best you can hope for, is Sunrise actually getting off it's ass and reanimating portions of the final OVA, to make it more novel-compliant for some reason.
Having her roflstomp Sinanju would be fun to watch.
DESU, during Unicorn original run, i thought that Neo Zeong will be introduced to prevent Marida rendering Frontal a non-factor in the finale - like it happened in the novel, where once the battle escalated to Mecha, he was curbstomped in seconds.
Either way she's still getting plugged by El Autismo.
PS. I'd love to see Banana and Wannabe-Char smacking each other faces with steel pipes like in the Novel.
![Gundam-Unicorn-5-Bright-Noslap[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QgY5M2A.jpg "Gundam-Unicorn-5-Bright-Noslap[1].jpg")
Bright didn't slap him?
>>14298872
Isn't it a major character turn for him though?
>>14298872I fucking wish ;-;
>>14299397
His slapping days were over. if only he slapped his son, he wouldn't have become a murderer and terrorist
>>14299472
I think he means the TV cut. maybe it will be REdone with a a dead riddhe and marida back in the banshee, the banshee was actually cool when she had it. riddhe touches it and turned it into a fagmobile
>>14299479
I knew he meant the TV version but I seriously doubt they'll actually go through with letting her live especially since Gundam is notorious for killing off female leads for cheap shock factor
>>14299487
the fans demand it. the writer admitted he just killed her cause he didn't know what to do with her. she deserves and chance at life and riddhe deserves to burn in hell.
>>14299476
He did slap Hathaway.
>>14299499
too little, too late
>>14298872
>>14299472
>>14299479
>>14299487
>>14299492
fuck bros you gotta stop before you get my hopes up
>>14299492
If that's the case then please kamisama let her live
>>14299564
Didn't exactly work the 1st time around, when the OVA's were made - and if what I read about the books is correct, they actually made her death 100% more retarded and pointless in the OVA.
If we follow the precedent, then the TV Series will have her faceplant into an asteroid, right after launching the final time.
And somewhere out there - Tomino will giggle.
>>14300661
Fuck tomino
he clicked on /pol/ instead
>>14299499
Hey, he became Mafty afterward!
Oh.
I wish Riddhe was the main protagonist of Unicorn. I found him to be far more interesting than Banagher or Audrey
>>14294634
>Whole strike team is wiped out defending Banagher
>Is told Banagher's family is source of conflict
>Sees Banagher is weak for not killing Loni
>Banagher continues making situation worse
>Gets rejected by love interest for Banagher
>She rejects him by visually choosing suicide
How could you blame him? Loni murders several hundred innocents and Banagher was still trying to talk her down.
>>14301703
>Feddies
>Innocent
>>14301709
>babies
>not innocent
>>14301825
Babies are sinful, heathen abominations - until christened by a qualified pedophile.
>>14302183
tip that fedora reddit chan
>>14302288
He's not wrong in that statement though, and I say that as a former Catholic.
>>14302304
i had to do it, the memes demand it
>>14301672
Blonde haired protagonist characters don't fly so well with the Japanese.
Will banana fuck tabi?
>>14294634
Obligatory.
>>14300661
And the Zinnerbro sums it up with pic related.
...and he's be right - should have left her sucking cocks for food at that shithole, she'd have more life expectancy if not much more.
Will we get new gunpla?
>>14295023
Nah, Judau is stronger, so are Maria and Shakti
Banana doesnt even have a stand like Judau
>>14310259
Banana ain't even an actual Newtype, just a Cyber-Newtype, and according to the novel's not a particularly great one.
He just has a hilariously overpowered crutch, Unicorn makes Nu look like a toy.
>>14310359
Isn't the banshee on par with the unicorn?
>>14299499
>Amuro has that little cringe remembering when it happened to him
>>14310407
Yeah,
Unicorn, Banshee and Phenex are all the same MS.
They just have different paint jobs, "horns" and equipment.
>>14305961don't say that
;-;
>>14310359
>Banana ain't even an actual Newtype, just a Cyber-Newtype
he's a natural newtype, he never underwent surgery or therapy like cyber newtypes
>>14310910
Novel says hello.
My stance is that as long as there's no contradiction, novel stuff counts.
And in this case, while the OVA sidesteps the topic, the novel goes into detail.
Him being a Cyber-Newtype is part of the reason why "A Char" has such a boner for him, in the novel, at least
>>14310946
what part of the novel specifically states that he's a cyber newtype? not even the japanese gundam wiki says he's a cyber newtype, it only says newtype
>>14295023
No way when we have newtype jesus Maria, jesus who is also a newtype kira, robot newtype jesus setsuna abd of course Judau who is apparently a dragon ball Z character transplanted into gundam
>>14311755
what the fuck are you smoking son?
>>14298265
FFS Anon my sides have left orbit and are going for a Mars run.
Okay, I'm trying to understand the situation here, not trying to diss this whole gundam thing. Completely new to this Gundam stuff.
This whole setup sounds hilarious.
I mean, its about these few elite pilots in rare super powerful special mechs (mecha ?) right?
And this guys is acutally level headed and wants to cut his losses. Not some Shonen protagonist goofball who yells the loudest to win fights? If this is how it is, I'm surprised this guy didn't go off the rails of sanity sooner.
If you look at it from my new perspective and then read >>14295027 and >>14295043 then this sounds like comedy gold.
Have a picture of my favorite Mech since MW4. Hope this is related to the topic of /m/ and doesn't set off some kind of flame war.
>>14314752
why did you even come to this thread then,unicorn is for long time fans
>>14314765>>14314752
At first: His face. It's like that one guy in the US-talkshow losing his faith in humanity when the fat woman tells him she thinks there are health conspiracies against fat people. Total "no more fucks given" territory. Beyond the thousand yard stare.
Then the mention of political marriage, assassination, mass murder, political sheming, royalty + political dickery drew me in. Reminded me of battletech. I know that some of the first Battlemechs were later legally disputed because they originally came from a japanese tv show.
Thirdly, my sides left orbit due to the humor in the synopsis of the earlier two Anons. Now i'm curious and maybe a bit hooked.
Also, older anime and manga are often pretty good. Like the old Dirty Pair, Gunsmith Cats, Appleseed and Bubblegum crisis.
So please tell me Anons, can you recommend this show as a starting point for getting into this whole japanese mecha and Gundam thing? If it is not a good starting point, what other show would be a good one?
>>14314862
You can start at unicorn, you just won't understand jack because like the other anon said its half fanservice half its own thing.
Do the right and start at the very first gundam.
Here's a chart since you don't look like a faggot.
>>14314862
You start at Mobile Suit Gundam (1979) proceed through the series in production order, the same way you watch literally anything else.
>>14314900
That will be helpful. Thank you for the chart. Going to check it out some time soon. When i get some time off and a stable internet connection. Pic related.
>>14314940
If you're pressed for time, you can always read The Origin. It's a really good retelling of the One Year War with some additional material covering events that lead up to it.
If ya just want something like BT, watch Dougram. It features a bunch of mechs BT ended up using and is very similar in tone and feel.
>>14310860
Yo' waifu a shit, Anon-kun.
To call her "used goods" would be a compliment. Bitch had an equivalent of a small town worth of cock passing through her orifices, as well as literal gallons worth of manjuice sprayed at her/pumped into all available openings, each day, every day - Hell, her breath probably took on a permanent scent of it over the years.
Also, look at those perky lips and consider her perfect obedience, there's no way in hell that some depraved individual didn't have her perform a re-enactment of "Two Girls, One Cup" together with some fossilized crack-whore.
She's also likely a walking Biohazard, carrying every conceivable STD known to man, and more.
>Verdict: Pump an' Dump... through five condoms
>>14315027
Pretty poor advice considering that origin ain't even done scanlated, as far I know.
Just watch the movie-version of MSG, Anon.
>>14295023
Unicorn does most of the work, so no. His NT powers barely seem to work if he's not strapped into a Gundam made of 50 percent psychoframe.
>>14294634
Hormones
>>14294892
It only worked anyway because they had Lagann.
If they didn't have Lagann, all the screaming in the world wouldn't get you anywhere.
>>14327981
Debatable
Is the anime going 1-1 with the ova?
>>14335639
Yes, to a hilarious degree - like having 3-4 minute long recaps so they can line OVA endings with Episode endings - it's pathetic, Anon.
They do make TINY improvements to linearth here and there, tho...
>>14335639
Not sure.
>>14335671
what's yellow unicorn doing there
he's from a side novel
>>14335676
Like I said, not sure
>better question is who the fuck is piloting it
>>14335671
WHAT THE FUCK IS PHENEX DOING THERE?!
it's fake, ain't it?
>>14335677
Theghost of Amuro Ray
>>14335677
I bet it'sAudrey.
I haven't been watching the anime, so I don't know how it's been playing out in comparison/contrast to the OVA.
>>14335679
Says Gundaminfo on the watermark and it came from the Gundam wiki soooo.... you tell me.
>>14335696
I fucking skipped the Palau world building and went straight to the battlefield. Its up to episode 7 on the English dub.
>>14335676
That's from a Gundam Front short film,UC Phantom World.
i bet my ass its either audrey or marida
>>14335714
Would be awesome if they actually did that for the TV Unicorn series.
who was the pilot tho?
>>14335720
Never shown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZfUPhRFeHI
>>14335739
>banshee does his intro
>kid boo's him
ayyy
>>14335720
And ruin the story further? Nah. But they also run out of friendly new types by NZ battle, so who knows.
>>14335751
Phenex is kind of mysterious because nobody has any idea who the fuck the pilot is, it could just show up and put a few attacks into Neo Zeong before fucking off to wherever it deployed from leaving everyone confused and speechless.
>>14335763
just as mysterious as the repaired Quess' Jagd Doga appearing in episode 7?
>>14335769
Yup. And the Qubeley from Palau.
>>14335763
Nah nigga.
It's clear that the Pilot will redeem Frontal and end the war through UNDERSTANDING, revive Marida through NT H4x, bitchslap the Grypps2 beam back at the cannon and finally reveal himself as the one and only Jewdong Assta. Then he steals Mineva away to breed her.
Riddhe and Bananer start cutting themselves from overwhelming despair at being cucked, while everybody else can't decide WHAT THE FUCK just happened, then StarRingChild plays...
>ratings soar
>>14335771
Watched episode 6, I apparently confused a EWAC Hizack with the Qubeley at a certain angle because of the fucking sensor dish looking like the funnel storage.
>>14335771
There was a Qubeley at Palau? Was that added in the TV version? I don't remember that in the OVA.
>>14335814
yes
>>14335802
Someone make a crappy fanfic with this STAT.
>>14335814
see my post here >>14335809
>>14299264
>Having her roflstomp Sinanju would be fun to watch
Fuck. That was her defining badass moment and the closest any female side character would've gotten to having a truly significant role in defeating the big bad in Gundam.
Sunrise fucked up real bad at letting her die before she achieved anything worthwhile.
>>14339828
And I can't even manage to replicate the train of thought that led to excission of this set piece.
While i'm not a nipfag and I haven't read the novel's, I read about the differences. Some of the changes I can understand, as Unicorn novel's had some heavy stuff to them that were toned down and glanced over in the OVA - like every other character has a history of drug abuse, sexual abuse, plain old abuse, incest and combinations of any of these - toning down these elements is understandable.
Some changes were probably made for pacing reasons to decrease the number of episodes by one or two, even if the removed elements leave minor plot holes - from what I read, the part where Riddhe falls for Audrey was cut for one.
But I can't wrap my head around removing an action set piece clearly meant as one highlights of the final novel. Like Anon wrote, they already asspulled the Neo Zeong to give Not!Char some relevance at Laplace.
The only possible reason I can think of, is them trying to cut down on runtime, to avoid OVA 7's runtime increasing to the point budding out an OVA 8 on them - and that's just SAD.
Also, was it a long battle? How did she even beat him?
>>14294733
>She's cute and a political marriage would solve everything in japland logic.
It literally wouldn't and this was pointed out by everyone, he had a crush on her just like Banana and just got crazy when she rejected him
>>14298782
Hope he gets better
>>14310946
Did you fucking read the goddamn novel? He underwent part of the training cybernewtypes so he could speed up his development because his father saw that he was a newtype and even then he never finished it because his mother save him from that
>>14340292
Exactly my sentiments.
They really cut out far too many important details. If that was their way of cramming everything to 7 bloody episodes then it's just fucking stupid. An episode 8 would get the cash rolling in like mad.
They neglected to show why Banana had such an attachment to Loni, desu their relationship seemed really odd in the OVA because in the untrained viewer's eyes, they appear to have just met. The manga at least offers a much more detailed take on their relationship (including Banana "seeing" the both of them having lots of children together).
And they could've expanded more on Mari's brainwashing. It looks odd as fuck that she would completely break just because she saw her old Quebley.
RE:0096 was a big ass chance for them to set things right and they went ahead and fucked up again. Why is Sunrise so shit?
>>14340919
Initial plan was 6 episodes actually.
>RE:0096 was a big ass chance for them to set things right and they went ahead and fucked up again. Why is Sunrise so shit?
Because Gundam is Sunrise's whore that exists solely to sell Gunpla, to the point that i doubt if the Anime/OVA series themselves are actually self-sustainable on their own. And from that point of view, it makes sense for them to try to cut down on episodes in order to decrease the production budget and increase the profit margin from merchandise, since the episodes themselves generate barely any profit.
>>14340919
RE:UC0096 is just them covering their product's failure.
>>14340919
>The manga at least offers a much more detailed take on their relationship (including Banana "seeing" the both of them having lots of children together).
That sounds dumb and a bit too on the nose at pandering to the enfranchised gunota.
I always thought Banagher's thing with Loni in the OVA was him just seeing someone who has no reason to bear a family burden. Shit, the bulk of Banagher's role in the OVA is him questioning why people are so stuck in the past and bearing grudges that serve no purpose but to perpetuate a cycle of violence that births these grudges in successor generations.
>>14294856
That thing is so sexy.
>>14341177
>I always thought Banagher's thing with Loni in the OVA was him just seeing someone who has no reason to bear a family burden
Problem is that the OVA gives us very little reason to give a shit about her and she comes off as the atypical crazy newtype girl instead of a hero in the novel or a tragic victim in the manga. One of the most missed opportunity scenes in the OVA is her rant towards Banagher saying that they were both given gifts from their families to carry out their will zi really wanted Banagher to flat out say "bitch the difference between you and me is that I'm using my gift to do what's good while you're carrying out destruction" would have definitely been more satisfying.
>>14299264
>>14339828
>>14340292
The changes made from the novel were obviously for the best, the novels are just not good and the last one was so bad Yas didn't want his name attached to it. I mean seriously? Pipe fighting? Double Final Shooting? Full Frontal's backstory? It was a complete wreck.
>B-b-b-b-but MUH WAIFU
Oh fuck off. The novels made her out to be too much of a Sue and made FF too much of a chump, the anime attempted to salvage this wreck the best it could.
>>14341216
b-b-but muh diehard UC0079 fans!
>>14341216
>and made FF too much of a chump,
Yeah, far too much of a chump, because it's not like OVA Frontal said 'fuck life' after being jabbered at by ghosts, a twink and his blonde hanger-on and just gave up.
>>14341254
Hilariously enough, the "pipe-fight" was supposed to be a homage to the sword fight that concluded Char's battle with Amuro in MSG.
It was neat and fresh as opposed to the cliched "Big Bad gets a Hueg Robot and fights the protag in an Epic Battle, SPACE MAGIC TIME TRAVEL inclusive!"
>>14341216
I like how FF didn't have a backstory in the OVA, I much prefer mysterious ghost man to the other stupid bullshit.
>>14341266
You might also want to add a hefty dose of SORE DEMO! and UNDERSTANDING!
I kinda liked that about the novel, Banana quits fucking around and just erases Frontal with extreme prejudice , who dies as he lived - like a bitch
But hey, CHARFAGS...
>>14341266
But that's the point, the homage is stupid.
It only serves to reward enfranchised viewers.
Plus at that point might as well just reanimate all of UC79, making Unicorn a slave to the past by overloading on throwback moments just undermines the story.
Also Unicorn needed more magic newtype bullshit, in my opinion.
the pipe fight was ok
>>14341296
>It only serves to reward enfranchised viewers
Oh you mean the whole fucking reason they keep making universal century shit?
>>14341305
Yes, the bane of the entire franchise.
>>14341282
I like that a lot too. Not revealing thst he was a random mook that got caught in the Nightingale psychoframe and implanted Chars memories was for the better. The ambiguity saved an otherwise flat character.
>>14341266
>neat and fresh
>BLATANT 0079 REFERENCE
What is this SEED?
>>14341407
>Oh fuck, they made a fitting homage to an anime old enough, that you weren't even a twinkle in your fathers eye during it's run.
No, let's conclude the Final Fight with NT h4x, because it's direct predecessors - Z, ZZ, CCA didn't have that already. /s
You serious?
>>14335769
It... was in the OVA though. In episode 7, that is.
>>14335769
Now, maybe in retrospect you meant the OVA's and not "RE0096". If that's the case then I was mistaken.
I'm not watching the show because i have already the ova, but I ask out of curiosity, habe they added something new until now?
>>14341456
>a fitting homage
>pipe fighting out of nowhere becauae 0079 reference
Okay
>>14341296
What, Banagher disabling an entire fleet with a wave of his hand and blocking a colony laser with a magical shield weren't enough?
>>14342476
Yes, that's actually how a homage works - do you want cookie?
>>14342492
Not even close to enough.
>>14341216
>someone wrecks a char clone's shit by exploiting his ego and kicking him in the (figurative) balls
>S-S-SUE!
This is why charfags need to die.
>>14340292
>But I can't wrap my head around removing an action set piece clearly meant as one highlights of the final novel. Like Anon wrote, they already asspulled the Neo Zeong to give Not!Char some relevance at Laplace.
What was the point? Unicorn Gundam literally tears it apart barehandedly
>>14321697
I actually watched the entirety of 0079 unabridged instead of watching the movies, is it worth checking the movies out too?
>>14340804
>He underwent part of the training cybernewtypes so he could speed up his development because his father saw that he was a newtype and even then he never finished it because his mother save him from that
It was for this reason that when the OVA started to show a child Banana hugging his dad as an image, I realized I'd only seen a few things that were so pretentious in my life. It's far too late in the game to try and pretend that Banana's dad was a good guy.
>>14294647
To be fair
>he was in the wrong
>the fight was pretty pointless in the long run
>the fight resulted in in the old and tired "welp, the newtype girl has to die!" cliche
>>14344066
Love makes people do or put up with some crazy things, especially for impressionable little kids.
That being said though yes, Cardeas Vist is a horrible human being. Hell, the entire Vist family is a bag of dicks.
>>14344066
The idea was that Cardeas sacrificed his family for the betterment of society. Hence what he did with both his father and his son.
>>14299264
>Having her roflstomp Sinanju would be fun to watch.
No way in the universe are they going to have Not-Char get wrecked.
Honestly, I can't believe Full Frontal exists. This is beyond parody to me. It's a literal Char clone, someone literally pretending to be Char! In UC Gundam, a few years after Char's disappearance. Nobody thought to ask any questions? Nobody wants to see under his mask?
I mean, is this not the ultimate answer to the question of "Does Gundam reuse it's tropes and cliches too much?"
>>14341266
The last thing I would want to see is trying to rip off an iconic scene from 0079, just because they can.
Space TIME TRAVEL wasn't original either, because htat's just from when Amuro and Lalah met in battle.
Doesn't anyone know how to be subtle anymore? Wouldn't it be better to draw upon a series's lesser known scenes if you have to play homage? When you take imagery from big moments, all it's really showing is how much of an idea you're lacking, and how much better the original idea is because they thought of the scene first.
>inb4turn a shows up and dusts everyones to death
>>14344076
>>14344085
Yeah, but that still doesn't make him a good person, not good enough to put in a "go onward, my son!", Lion King-esque imagery, becausey ou have to pretend like they had a good relationship or that we didn't already establish that this characters was doing terrible shit to his kid.
To me, that would be like seeing Yazan during Zeta's ghost summoning for the Wave Rider Crash, saying "Go get'em, kid!" or for a more apt comparison, Kamille's dad.
>>14344142
Why the hell did you quote me? (>>14344076) I agreed with you that he's a horrible person.
>>14341216
>Sue
I assume you're talking about Mari right here. How in the world is she a sue anyway? She keeps losing her fights and spilling her spaghetti all the damn time.
>>14344453
Because according to that anon it's apparently impossible to beat a Char clone without being utterly OP.
Skills? Fast thinking? Nope! You're an overplayed fanfiction meme if you dare to even scratch a Char.
>>14344124
If it wasn't for the fact that certain faggots would start spewing HURR F91 AND V AREN'T CANON (the same ones that began shitting out their faces once A New Translation showed up) this would be the perfect end to Unicorn.
...actually people still say that shit with original Unicorn instead of assuming that the charter reveal means jack shit in 30 years, so I'm all for it.
>>14344076
>Vist family is a bag of dicks
You can say that again. Cardeas was a worthless father, Martha has an abusive kink and even Alberto wants to rape the shit out of a helpless brainwashed girl.
>>14344549
To be fair, Syam 'terrorist-turned-blackmailer/con-artist' Vist was such a great role model for the family.
>>14344488
I actually wouldn't mind them getting decanonized. Both were clear attempts at extending the UC timeline without a clear idea how. Add the fact that Tomino is very uneven as an author and V, while it definately has it's moments - had me face-palming just as bad, if not worse than ZZ, most of the time.
UC96 for all it's flaws, provided a satisfying conclusion, open ended and hopeful, but with a strong implication that Newtype or not - humans gonna human.
Not perfect, but certainly better than chronicling every conflict between Feds or their stand in and whatever separatist military junta to grow prominent this particular week.
>>14294634
Gundam Unicorn was the most autistic piece of trash I've ever seen. The central conflict is too contrived and forced. If they actually want to pander to old UCfags they should've just stuck with the good old fashioned Zeek vs Feddie fights instead of coming up with this 'wow it's fucking nothing' Laplace's box.
And Mineva is the most uninteresting piece of shit I've ever seen. She's hardly worth two men fighting tooth and nail over.
>>14343016
Except it doesn't fit within the context and is jarring as fuck
>>14344048
>MUH WAIFU
Thank god the novels aren't canon
>>14294634
the only true answer.
>>14344549
Its actually amazing how much of a good human being Banana turned out to be, his mother must have been a goddamn saint
>>14344689
>open ended and hopeful
until you realise the reveal of the box was what triggered the decay of the federation in late UC, setting up the endless proxy wars between Jupiter and Earth
>>14344891
But Jovian fucks and their monopoly on space oil and space Jupitergold have been causing problems in Earth sphere since 0079
>>14344910
Yes but they never gained enough foothold on the earth sphere because as bad as the colony gassing faggots are they aren't jovians with their crazy bullshit but now thanks to the fact that the federation had its power removed from it and Zeon has been told to fuck off by their own space princess the jovians have the perfect stage for their appearance
>>14344048
FUCK
What is with people calling her a sue lately? She is hardly one, hell she can't even fucking pilot the goddamn Banshee right. She gets humiliated every now and then by Banana and then the Vist foundation. Even our lovely lady Mineva treats her like shit.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
>>14345073
Unicorn haters are idiots, what else is new?
>>14345097
Except the ones calling her a sue are Unicorn defenders, retard.
>>14345175
They're using it in the context that the Charfags are calling her a sue because they're useless Charfags
>>14345073
She committed a mortal sin of hurting their husbando and kicking his face in, that makes her a Sue
>>14344453
>>14345073
>>14345531
>Anime version
>Marida in a damage less powerful suit uses what little power show has to protect the ship
>Novel version
>Nah fuck that she's kicking ass in a broken down suit and takes down FF in a full power Sinaju by herself and she still has time to defend the ship against enemy hordes and she only dies due to friendly fire from teh Bandshee
The best thing about Unicorn is that there's no way in hell you can defend the novel version without looking like a complete jackass. About the only aspect in which the anime fucked up was adapting Loni's story which was more of a sign as to not piss off anyone over a silly cartoon then anything else but even that storyline is filled with stupid ass moments.
>>14344689
>UC96 for all it's flaws, provided a satisfying conclusion, open ended and hopeful
That was already done in CCA. Unicorn doesn't need to exist
>>14345623
>For one thing - her suit was nowhere near as fucked up as they made it in the OVA
It's actually quite easy, once you get off Frontals dick and realize that he too can simply fuck up.
Got too focused on her and through his tunnel vision didn't realize there were RAPEBLINDERS rushing for his ass, until too late.
His eloquent "wat" when blinders assrape him makes it clear.
And it's a good thing, because it humanizes him and dispels any accusations of him being a Stu. Whereas in the OVA he's an unbeatable OP monster - outside of SORE DEMO, UNDERSTANDING and other Newtype hax, that is.
>>14345623
Nigger, what the fuck are you talking about?
Did you even read the damn novels?
I'll give you that the Quad-Wing wasn't at hundred percent, but it was nowhere near "what little power left" as you imply. It had funnels, it had I-fields, it had those Wing thingies and was strapped with almost as obnoxious amount of ordnance as Unicorn.
Also, it's not that she no-sold whatever attempts Frontal made and schooled his ass - If anything he was doing the ass kicking. Sure, the fight was initially even - but Frontals Lightening Bruiser slowly wore down Puru's Mighty Glacier, and once he, for the most part - disarmed her, he proceeded to wreck her shit so hard, she struggled to just stay alive. By the end she was just as fucked as the Quad-Wing, with evocative description of zero-G blood swirling around the cockpit in rhythm with the suit movement.
She switched approaches and stopped trying to fight him head on, and successfully outsmarted him, by flanking him with the high-explosive, psycommu operated wing-thingies, when he kept blitzing her and tried to go for the kill - he got cocky and it bit him in the ass.
>she still has time to defend the ship
That makes no sense, you know that the OVA event sequence is different from the novels?
She never broke up the fight of the Betas in the novels. They kept going at each others throats, until Argama and Mineva tried to break it off - with pitiful results, that led to Marida's death, when Riddhe got fed up with Mineva and decided to plug her and the Argama with the Magnum - the realization of just what he tried to do, snapping him back to reality.
>>14345683
>>14345889
Once again the people defending the novels look like jackass
>>14345683
>>14345889
>He was kicking her ass except not really though he was but she actually did but not really...uh...
You know /m/ has hit rock bottom when they're defending Fukui's writing
>>14345073
She is a blantant sue. When will people learn that sue's are idealized characters and them having flaws doesn't diminish the term?
>She gets humiliated every now and then by Banana and then the Vist foundation. Even our lovely lady Mineva treats her like shit.
So you haven't read the novels or watched the anime.
Why is that the more I read up on the novels the more retarded they sound?
>>14346028
They're a rough draft written by a Ideonfag being forced to write for deeply entrenched gunota (read: I GUESS I SHOULD RIP OFF 0079 A LOT, BUT FUCK I WISH THIS WAS IDEON).
Of course it's going to be ultra dumb.
>>14346005
>Puru clone with a Lalah-tier backstory
>acts big sisterly more than anything else while still being Heero/Setsuna-tier asocial and emotionally restrained
>gets fucked with by the Vists at some point in the series by virtue of being a Puru clone
>only happy moment is when she embraces the concept of "ZINNERMAN IS MY DADDY"
>then she fucking dies
Do you faggots even know what a Mary Sue is? Because fucking Banana is the biggest fucking Sue there is.
>>14346433
You DO know that at this point its just a couple samefags trying to get a rise of you guys?
It's hilarious.
>>14346433
>Puru clone with a Lalah-tier backstory
You just proved that she is a Sue in the first sentence
>>14346492
>Joke's on you, I'm only pretending to be retarded!
Doesn't make it any less retarded. Like this guy: >>14346543
Can we all agree that both the OVA and novel are equally shitty?
>>14346596
Fuck no, the novel had a better version of Loni's character in the Dakar/Torrington arc and Marida's ending was different.
>>14346596
Nice ost tho
>>14346605
>better character
>being able to blame someone else makes for a better character
>>14344689
>I actually wouldn't mind them getting decanonized. Both were clear attempts at extending the UC timeline without a clear idea how
>i.e. they didn't circlejerk zeon enough
Get the fuck out of here. You fucks are always the same.
>>14346773
>Unironically liking that shitshow V
>>14346969
Can you actually come up with sufficient critique to warrant holding it lower than ZZ? Can you do the same for F91? I can instantly rebut this madness:
>UC96 for all it's flaws, provided a satisfying conclusion, open ended and hopeful, but with a strong implication that Newtype or not - humans gonna human.
CCA was already a satisfying conclusion to the Universal Century. Meanwhile, Unicorn is completely redundant if we're going by the "all animated works are canon" rule, considering that less than 30 years later everything went to shit anyways and the Federation continued to exist healthily without the reveal of the Laplace Box having any impact. That's the inherent flaw of inserting fanfiction into a pre-existing narrative, especially when the whole point is to make a difference. That aside, it's so dense with cliches and homages, it lacks any original identity to really speak of. It exists to be an uncreative fanfic because that's how Fukui thinks bookends work for some reason.
>>14347029
>CCA was already a satisfying conclusion to the Universal Century
Char's Counterattack was anything but satisfying. It's the most disappointed and bitter any entry in the franchise has left me and it amazes me that people even attempt to defend it. The only good parts of the movie are scenes involving Amuro and Char together, but those scenes are so bogged down by unnecessary subplots involving unfathomably unlikable new characters like Hathaway, Quess and that one other cuck who liked Quess or something.
Stupid me for thinking they would give Loni more screen time, so we could actually give a shit about her. Seriously, they had one job.
>>14347090
>>14346969
Kill yourself m8
>>14347029
Refer to what i wrote to end my post.
>certainly better than chronicling every conflict between Feds or their stand in and whatever separatist military junta to grow prominent this particular week.
Maybe i'm just an early-UCfag, who always deemed entries beyond CCA as unnecessary. There's something like beating a dead a dead horse one to many times and forcibly trying to extend something beyond reason. UC might have as well ended with CCA. Very uneven quality due to executive meddling in case of F91 and Tomino's turn to churn out a shit in case of V, don't help - not at all.
I'm apparently not the only one who thinks so, because after Victory, they finally said, "yeah, fuck it - time to try something else"
I can't disprove your accusations directed at UC96 - hell, i agree with you. Unicorn is half Nostalgia-Bait and Half-Mecha Pron. Unlike the tumorous growths duct-taped at the ass end of UC, Unicorn gets a pass from me because it might as well serve as an epilogue to CCA and a bookend to UC, closing the curtain on concepts and conflicts introduced as early as 0079(Newtype or not - humans gonna human) - without devolving into "Junta of the week" format, that plagues the shows later down the timeline.
Also have some BAZOOKA BIKINI BABES, IN SPACE!
Laso,
>Opinions...
>>14347138
>assuming I'm the guy shitting on Victory
Victory is one of my favorite TV Gundam series. Char's Counterattack is just really fucking shit.
>>14347090
That's missing the point. Gundam isn't meant to be an epic, perfect story. It's meant to be a lifelike one, much like how in reality, we don't have perfect confidence in where we're going or when. It's more of a blind and clumsy stumble through the world, and throughout it, we'll meet and leave all sorts of different people who will meet and leave us as well. Complaining about the presence of characters like Hathaway and Quess isn't much different from complaining about characters like Kamille, Judau, or Seabook. The presence of those two was pretty clearly to show how the youth are manipulated by older people for their own interests. Quess was a complete tool that turned Hathaway into another Katz. Besides, the same complaints can be made of Angelo, Loni, and Riddhe among others. Char and Amuro are the two who had gone through all of UC to some extent, unlike anyone else barring Bright. Their role was to leave, and at the same time, their characters were resolved. The death of Casval Deikun was the final nail in the coffin of Zeon Deikun. For the most part, it's just a more coherent, less redundant way of fulfilling the same goal as Unicorn. The real difference was in the Axis Shock. It's a Deus Ex Machina, sure, but one with a purpose, and far more effective at it's job than Banana stopping the Colony Laser, especially considering that the whole 'human gonna human' thing is a lot more human when it's all humans and not just one autist in an OP crutch mobile suit.
It wasn't supposed to be a perfect cap to UC. There's no such thing. It was just another part of history and the perfect cap to the One Year War that had been haunting the entire world for the past 13 years. A magic psychoframe clone and what qualifies as a super robot by UC standards, not so much.
>>14347141
Eh, take a look at the United States, or just the democracies throughout the world in general. First came Central Powers, then Axis, then Russia, then Vietnam, then Middle Eastern terrorists. Victory and F91 are unnecessary not to UC as much as they're unnecessary to the One Year War. Even after those, the story still keeps going on with Greco, and better yet, Turn A. The Federation being the protagonist's side doesn't really make much of a difference to that, especially considering most of the 1st world has been around for many centuries.
>Unicorn gets a pass from me because it might as well serve as an epilogue to CCA and a bookend to UC
CCA didn't need an epilogue, it was an epilogue. History doesn't have bookends. As a bookend, Unicorn only served to fail to comprehend what actually makes a bookend. It's just a tumorous growth on the OYW just as late UC could be seen as a tumorous growth on UC. Keep in mind the only coverage of UC we have is the last 20 years anyways. Etcetera.
>Also have some BAZOOKA BIKINI BABES, IN SPACE!
I expected this. It's mostly just Tomino being spiteful, just like battleships with wheels and shit, but it doesn't serve to detract too much from everything. There's certainly a reason why Tomino hates Victory, but unlike ZZ for example, it wasn't just a messy accident.
>>14345623
I thought the whole point of FF is that he isn't Char no matter how much Neo-Neo-etc-Zeon keeps pretending. Never read the novels, but going by what you said, in that case, doesn't Marida wrecking his shit just further proves the point that a poor schmuck wrapped in fancy garbs is still a schmuck when the chips are down? He's not the Legendary Red Comet, therefore, even with a cool mech, he still can't match the clone that was made specifically to be a crazy good pilot.
>>14347259
But the Red Comet got his shit pushed in by Amuro constantly.
Are there any new scenes in the TV version of Unicorn that's not in the OVA?
>>14346969
Enough
I don't give a shit if you like F91, Victory, Crossbone or any other latter UC stories. You don't have to like them.
But I have yet to see anyone who says THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE UC CANON that doesn't have the problem with the fact that Latter UC has/does
>No major Zeon resurrections. Nobody remembers them, and nobody talks about them
>No Char and Amuro references. People have new problems now, and nobody needs to dress up as Amuro to inspire people, or someone who was friends with Char leading more Zeeks into battle, or any horseshit like that. It's a future conflict, and people are concerned with the current problem of 'I'd really not like to die right now' rather than What The Legendary Red Comet Is Up To Now
>No Newtype wanking. Yeah, they exist, but they aren't all over the place, and anyone who talks about how Newtypes are the ultimate wave of the future are treated like crackpots, because at the end of the day, they're all human
>No hamhanded references. HEY DO YOU REMEMBER THE FINAL SHOOTING FROM GUNDAM. HERE IT IS AGAIN. DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN AXIS FELL ON EARTH. HERE IT IS AGAIN. DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN TORINGTON GOT ATTACKED IT GOT ATTACKED AGAIN. Yeah, they dare do their own new things.
Christ forbid the timeline slowly move on to newer things, but no, we can't have that. Gundam fans want the circlejerk in UC and hate it when AU series move too far from 'what is Gundam' and then hate it for following it anyway. 00 didn't need a masked man, but no, we HAD to have it.
I guess you guys win, the series will continue to stagnant, and we can have another bunch of jokers do the Jet Stream Attack again.
>>14347478
Reminder that it's literally exactly how we got SEED/Destiny.
Quick question about the latest episode - Where is Torrington base? In Australia?
And Zeon gathered all their forces across the world for this assault?
Why was Unicorn set in 0096 anyway? You'd think as a "bookend" it would be set in 0099 with the epilogue turning the clock over to 0100.
>>14347029
Unicorn is redundant and completely worthless on its own or alongside the rest of early UC.
>>14347090
CCA is a crap movie based on some dumb forced rivalry and lamely ignores the casts of the previous two series.
Was Ridhhe a newtype?
>>14347553
yes
>>14347551
Minerva wouldn't have a lickable pussy by then.
>>14347029
Welcome to history, where nothing ever matters.
>>14347583
Everything matters in history. The only reason one would think otherwise is because they were satisfied with the CliffsNotes version they got in High School. Generally speaking, most events in history pave the way for whatever happens next. Comparatively, Unicorn's existence had zero impact on anything, including itself.
>>14347551
>CCA is a crap movie based on some dumb forced rivalry and lamely ignores the casts of the previous two series.
>this many buzzwords
>lamely ignores the casts of the previous two series
Just like pretty much every single Gundam ever, right? As it turns out, the casts of the previous two series were all either dead or elsewhere taking care of personal business.
Zeon is a dead weight dragging UC down further and further and has been for a very long time. I couldn't even get into Unicorn because it was like "oh look its Zeon AGAIN". The bait & switch in Zeta left me pretty damn sour way back when so this is nothing new.
>>14347624
Unicorn was similar to the Vietnam war - it still gets mentioned, and it did affect a whole generation, but the young children now days will grow up worrying about their ipads and their prom dates and not about a war with a people that hates their guts.
>>14347624
>Just like pretty much every single Gundam ever, right? As it turns out, the casts of the previous two series were all either dead or elsewhere taking care of personal business.
>is it a 0079 cast member?
>if yes - bring him/her the fuck back any time, any wehre
>if no - fuck 'em, sub 'em out for for some newbs to fill the exact same position
I mean nobody in their right mind liked Beltorchika but...
>Tomino/Sunrise: wait, what's that mechanic from Z doing in the movie. we said replace them all! fuck it, kill him off in some stupid poiintless way!
>>14347630
That would probably apply to most wars overseas. The Gryps Conflict was incredibly bloody even though it was basically the Cold War, but the first and second Neo Zeon wars were more or less in the background. The primary difference was that the other ones were just the last echoes of the One Year War while Unicorn was written that it was supposed to dramatically revolutionize the world. Instead, it had literally zero impact. I can hardly even compare it to the absurd war on terror.
>>14347662
The only returning OYW characters in CCA were Char, Amuro, Mirai, and Bright, who was in literally every series. Also, everyone who didn't die in Zeta returned for ZZ while Char and Amuro disappeared. After that, everyone who had ties to the OYW was done and cut them. Sayla's incredible absence is the perfect example.
>>14295023
I disagree with Judau being the strongest newtype. I still think Banana is not canonically stronger. In fact, wasn't he established as the perfect newtype or something like that?
Granted, the Unicorn was a giant psychoframe, but even with that in mind I don't think Judau would have the willpower to block a space laser.
>>14347700
>The only returning OYW characters in CCA were Char, Amuro, Mirai, and Bright, who was in literally every series.
Yeah but the OYW crew already had their time in the limelight in Z. Then again in ZZ in the cases of Sayla, Hayato, and of course Minerva. Kai even kinda, sorta, gets called back for Unicorn even.
>>14347478
>No Char and Amuro references
Fuck off there was that amuro AI in crossbone, and then Judau shows up here and there.
>and then the char clone in Gaia Gear
Friendly reminder that the Bright we see in Unicorn is the same Bright that killed his son
>>14347700
>Unicorn was written that it was supposed to dramatically revolutionize the world
It was written to kill off the endless zeon revival movements for good.
>>14347766
>HF
I wasn't expecting to see spoilers of it in this thread god fucking damn it
>>14347775
there will be more all the way up to f91 in banrise has anything to say about it
>>14347787
Even so.
EVEN SO.
I BELIEVE IN THE POSSIBILITY THATE3 WILL BE VIDEOGAMES.
>>14347742
That's right, they did. Then the little surviving cast of Zeta did in ZZ. As for ZZ characters, they were no longer relevant. The AEUG being defunct seals the deal. At the very least, Judau shows up in the crappy side stories. As long as Char was alive, he wasn't going to grow up and get over Lalah, and Amuro wasn't going to be able to rest easy knowing Char wouldn't try and drop a giant asteroid on the Earth. Thus, they showed up one last time so Char could finally get shut up.
>>14347775
>The death of Casval Deikun was the final nail in the coffin of Zeon Deikun
Barring the abundance of stupid backstories and the whole Laplace Box nonsense, that one actually makes sense though. It's certainly not the whole point to Unicorn's existence, even if it would've made for a better primary focus.
>>14347711
>wasn't he established as the perfect newtype or something like that?
Probably the perfect Newtype for the Unicorn, as a Cyber Newtype he has the physical enhancements to deal with the strain the NT-D system puts on the pilot.
>>14347810
Putting Zeon to rest was one of the things the Charter macguffin existed for, to deflate the movement and bring all sides to the realization that they need to not be shackled by the actions of those who came before them, because being a slave to one's past means forfeiting the infinite possibility of tomorrow... or something.
I could be more poetic about it but it's essentially that an interstate pileup of fuckups born out of good intention had led to the climate of Zeon uprisings and Titanesque crackdowns, all because some people with good intentions unfortunately used the worst possible language to express them, where just the right slanted interpretation of the language could be taken as a sign of legitimacy where none was intended.
>>14347851
Considering that's a borderline quotation from the story, what can I say. As flawed as it is, it ties up the undoubtedly persistent sore losers among Zeon much more elegantly than death and a magic coincidence, even if it had a mountain of errors serving as a crutch.
>>14347810
A better focus would've been to ease the gap between early and late UC. Instead we got CCA2.
>>14347914
The weird part is every time I explain that to people, I start to see the pieces of what could be a "fuck Article 9, give us our military back, stop binding us to mistakes and poor judgment from those who came before us" argument from Fukui begin to take shape.
And I can't tell if I'm just imagining things, or if there's a legit allegory in play.
It'd be easier to recognize an allegory if it were more explicit, but the narrative, at least the OVA's version, is sufficiently concerned with gendum and its internal issues that it feels wrong to read into it as being real life commentary rather than just a dramatic fiction piece. Like, Unicorn the OVA just isn't pretentious enough to tie into real life.
>>14294669
But he has the best MS of them all
>>14346596
They are both shoddily written, but the OVA at least has decent music and grunt fights to make up for it.
>>14347756
You forgot about Mars Zeon
But my point is how much of that influences the series at that point?
Nobody cares that Grey Stroke fought in the Zeon wars, hell, he doesn't bring it up himself.
>>14348185
Yet they still call Amuro a legend during the AImuro chapters. Although the influence only really lasts for that arc and everyone seems to not care about it after.
>>14348185
Grey Stoke having fought in the Zeon wars isn't such a surprise since he has a fucking space colony-cum-ship filled with frozen newtypes.
>>14348205
And anyone with half a brain these days knows who Ju- I mean Grey Stoke is.
Don't worry,the movie will fix it just like zeta
His Unicorn has NT-R
>>14351720
You win one internets today, Anon...
I laughed far more than i should....
>>14294856
>Could the Delta Plus take Byarlant Custom in a fight?
The BC only looked as good as it did because it was up against some fairly weak MS, the Delta Plus would take down the BC
>>14351720
Who are you?
What have you done to Mineva?
>>14294634
>What's his problem /m/?
Bright never slapped him.
>>14353983
That'd make things worse, just as it did for Amuro.
>>14351788
>Fairly weak MS
>Pilot of BC is a Titans ace working as a feddie maintenance monkey
>Pilots of Zeon MS are all battle hardened veterans
Anon pls find better bait
