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>>14288159
http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/05/28/shoji-kawamori-on-macross-delta-and-his-hopes-for-the-series/#5ad967fe1210
He also hints that a Delta video game may happen if he can get it released in the west. Bless you, Kawamori,
>>14288191
>implying HG's insane abuse of the law will ever end
It's nice to know that there's still one group that /m/ can just universally hate without exception. It creates a sense of unity.
>>14288166
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYEAAAAAAAAAAAE
>>14288243
HOLY SHIT
>>14288235
HG are a bunch of scumbags and there is objectively no good reason to bringing Robotech back, but that doesn't change the fact that the editing was a necessity and that Robotech was the biggest player in bringing anime to the west.
>>14288220
WAZ
>>14288251
I liked how they timed it perfectly with the release of the new Macross series, as if to remind the world they're still around and their lawyers are ready and waiting to sue anyone with any interest of allowing Macross to flourish outside Japan.
>>14288253
KRAAAAANGS
>>14288259
I still don't understand how the fuck one shitty company in one country can have this much hold over a franchise. Goddamned americans.
>>14288235
>>14288251
I was never a fan of robotech, saw macross before I even heard of it (asiafag and all), but I didn't mind people liking it, it's when I heard what HG did I went on full hate, in my eyes if you support robotech you're supporting the scummy Harmony Gold fucks.
sure there might be some truths to japan making it a bit difficult to bring macross outside japan due to the music rights but I still think the biggest problem is HG being patent/rights troll
>>14288251
I think you mean Speed Racer and Voltron, the two early anime that actually managed to get into the cultural consciousness. People who don't know anything about anime have no idea what the fuck Robotech is, but you say Voltron or Speed Racer and they have at least a vague idea of what you're talking about. And neither of those was modified to anything close to the degree Robotech was. A few years later there was Dragon Ball, and everyone under forty has heard of a Super Saiyan. Robotech was never even close to the biggest player in bringing anime to the west.
>>14288270
SHEEEEIT
>>14288251
>Robotech was the biggest player in bringing anime to the west.
Kill yourself.
>>14288277
I'd never heard of Robotech until I saw people getting mad about it on /m/
I used to wake up early to watch Voltron reruns at like 6 AM all the damn time
>>14288275
>sure there might be some truths to japan making it a bit difficult to bring macross outside japan due to the music rights
Also untrue. stop parroting hg damage control retard.
>>14288251
>the west.
You said it again. You mean the USA. I live somewhere else in "the west", Robotech don't mean squat here.
>>14288329
I live in the US and Robotech doesn't mean shit.
>>14288277
Didn't you read the thread a fortnight back? Robotech is responsible for the importation or Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon.
>>14288340
Exactly. Robotech has never aired nationwide in the usa. It aired on some state networks in the 80's and on cable 90's
Speed racer, tetsujin 28, voltes V, gaiking, danguard ace, grendizer, gatchaman, astro boy, dairugger, golion, space battleship yamato etc brought anime to the usa, then dbz, sailor moon and pokemon popularized it. Robotech did jack shit.
>>14288353
If I read every Robotech thread it would be almost as big a waste of time as actually watching Robotech.
HG end game is a big time movie or tv show. They want tens of millions from that. Then spin offs. They see that they are potentially sitting on 1 billion dollars of revenue. They will never give that up.
>>14288355
>Every robotech thread
>robotech thread
Taken out of context, it actually sounds like we have threads here that talk about the show, rather than curse it's and HG's existence
>>14288353
Source?
>macross
who cares
>>14288370
Epic post.
I doubly hate Harmony Gold because they are also fucking killing Battletech by not letting us rip your Macross and Dougram designs for our basic mechs. They're classics, come the fuck on.
>>14288360
There's no revenue to be made here except selling robotech calendars and the same dvd box set over and over to fat, bald failures. The fanbase is so small they couldn't even kickstart a crappy spinoff to their direct-to-dvd movie.
What executive looks at this data and thinks "billion dollar franchise"?
>>14288159
Oh my freaking gosh stop complaining already there's figuratively nothing stopping you from just downloading your dang Macross show these days.
What is the context of OP's pic?
>>14288397
One of the original creator's of Macross is slightly upset his and other staff members names are never credited whenever Robotech is released in any form and just generally being upset to see his work edited to fit some dead man's twisted fan fiction.
I don't hate Carl Macek. The man genuinely wanted anime to become a thing in the west and did everything in his power to make that happen with the best intentions, even if I disagree with his practices.
HG however can go fuck themselves.
>>14288397
Someone apparently told kawamori about robotech being streamed on sonys new service and that was his reaction to hg continuing to take all the credit for a show they did not create.
Hg never miss an opportunity to shit in studio nues milkshake.
>>14288412
noone cares about Carl Macek. We just want his company to go belly up and stop being a nuisance
>>14288418
HG isn't his company, he just did work for them. HG is and always has been controlled by an Egyptian named Frank Agrama.
Carl did a lot of work outside of HG. I believe he was behind the Dunbine dub, and a lot of the ovas that got brought over in the 90s.
>>14288251
>HG are a bunch of scumbags and there is objectively no good reason to bringing Robotech back, but that doesn't change the fact that the editing was a necessity and that Robotech was the biggest player in bringing anime to the west.
Repeating a lie doesn't make it come true. You may try but the only result you'll get is being considered a paid shill at the very least and a bumbling scumbag idiot on the other end of the spectrum.
What about the Robotech novel's, as a hater of Robotech and someone who love's Macross. Will I like them?
>>14288159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI3DlIrvoHg
>>14288424
My understanding is that they're mediocre at best but people read them anyway since they know the setting and there's barely any mecha literature out there.
>>14288422
I meant his company as in "the company he belonged to" In the end, my main point was, I don't care about him.
>>14288424
Isn't it a forgone conclusion that you wouldn't?
>>14288388
That all changes if there's a movie. Right now all signs point that this movie is still going forward.
Then with a big blockbuster movie, we got spin off merch. Sequels. This could be 1 billion dollars over the next decade. But ONLY if the movie gets made.
James Wan is still attched to direct.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/03/28/james-wan-talks-about-the-live-action-robotech-movie-cites-macross/#6530469f6d3e
>>14288458
http://en.koreaportal.com/articles/14150/20160128/robotech-movie-release-date.htm
>>14288458
Oh right the movie that directors keep ditching, doesn't even have a script and has been in development hell for something like 10 years.
Even *if* it got made it would be another battleship, battle of los angeles or some other shitty alien invasion movie that flopped hard, ruined the careers of everyone involved and everybody forgot about.
>>14288266
the stereotype of yanks that i've heard is that they're as sue-happy as they are trigger happy
>>14288210
You call it Delta Squad Walkure or whatever else to get around their retarded copyright claim.
>>14288495
Generally, yeah. We're aware of it, too; most people hate how you have to watch out for being sued over stupid shit. And then you have McDonalds actually settling a case for millions because a woman tried to sue them for spilling hot coffee over herself. It's absurd. Obviously it's not an everyday thing but I know it's more prevalent here than in other countries. Glad I don't deal with it.
>>14288458
>robotech movie is made
>kawamori et al not credited, they finally take it to court and sue for damages all across the years
>bankrupt HG, make money off of the movie for 100% profit, get their name attached to the credits of all robotech releases, take back ownership of Macross, HG publicly apologizes
sounds gud to me
HG only even stays a float because of slum estate revenue right? Someone go solve the problem with a bomb or two
>>14288548
There would be no need to credit kawamori or anyone from nue because the movie will never have anything from macross in it.
It would have about as much in common with robotech as the transformers movies did with the tv series. There'd be some boring human civilians and soldiers trying to find the protoculture cube or whatever before the Invid do, followed by some battle scenes with human piloted starscreams versus generic alien mecha #581 and #582
>>14288481
Battleship was fun though.
>>14288567
true, but his little scenario has has kawamori etc regained control of macross, so they'd be the ones getting royalty.
But really, the safest most realistic path is that the movie never gets made. HG dies eventually, and macross can spread like a normal anime in the west
The blu-rays for Macross having official subs is quite the brillant move imo.
Its like an indirect fuck you to HG.
>We can't sell our anime there because you're cockblocking us?
>Fine, we'll put subs on our blurays and let our fans buy them
Best way to get the BDs to the fans that wants to buy them on top of not having to deal with any distributor bullshit.
>>14288481
>>14288458
it doesn't really cost HG anything to keep the right. The threat of litigation alone will keep anyone from trying as HG has a pretty solid case.
It's not like the fox/marvel deal where fox HAS to make a movie at least every ten years to keep the right.
>>14288458
You do realize that movie will probably flop, if it even cames out, right?
>The project can't hold it's staff in
>In production for years to no end
>Noticeable sci-fi bias among the average american movie audience for anything that's not a established franchise
>Robotech relevance in US pop culture all but died
>It was never relevant overseas in the first place
It's very unlikely HG will manage to make the miracle they need to make Robotech a profitable franchise again happen.
>>14288575
This is really all most of us have wanted. Put fucking subtitles on the official bd's dvds and games then it doesn't matter what hg does. We get everything we want from online retailers and hg gets to eat shit.
>>14288588
Actually that's probably not the case or warner brothers could have sat on the rights forever instead of them going to sony.
>>14288575
>tfw region locked blu-ray player
FUUUUUUUUCK
>>14288607
So? The discs themselves will guaranteed be region free. As someone who owns the frontier blu rays, I can attest this was the case, and they didn't even have subs. Now they're adding subs, but would add region coding?
>>14288548
>>14288616
I don't get why that case gets overplayed in such a retarded "WOMAN SUES MCDONALDS FOR SPILLING COFFEE IN HERSELF" way. While spilling it is her own damn fault McDonald's can't sell shit hot enough to burn your skin off in a plastic cup and not be at fault when an accident happens. I don 't know the actual legal terms for this but you do have responsability over accidents if your product is dangerous and doesn't have proper indication of this, and as far as I know, McDonald's cups didn't have a warning for risk of third degree burns).
>>14288626
Huh, I should have googled this first.
Thanks anon, fuck Harmony Gold.
>>14288210
>>14288251
You can literally just initiate proceedings at the USPTO to get a trademark delisted or transferred if the current holder doesn't deserve it. It'll just take a couple thousand dollars and maybe a year or two of legal work.
>>14288567
>Trying to find the protoculture cube or whatever before the Invid do,
But wasn't that literally the plot of the series, except with the Zentraedi? They wouldn't have to change a thing.
It's been 30 years and you Macross guys are still crying while downloading the anime for free off the internet.
Get the fuck on with your lives
>>14288670
We want to officially support the show and buy localized games and have import shops carry the toys but whoops can't because of that faggot HG.
>>14288277
Incorrect at least with respect to GoLion/Voltron. Both were dramaticalll altered. GoLion had A WHOLW HELL OF A LOT OF BRUTAL VIOLENCE edited. Secenes of slaves being buried in sand up to their heads so the evil soldiers could behead them. Scenes of monstrous gladiators eating obviously human body parts. Just two off the top of my head from the first disc. Let us not forget that vehicle Voltron and lion Voltron were also altered JUST LIKE ROBOTECH, so that both supposedly took place in the same universe. Lots of people seem to forget that.
>>14288670
>implying not buying the subtitle-including BDs of Delta
>>14288597
>You do realize that movie will probably flop, if it even cames out, right?
And HG still comes out of it with tens of millions in profit.
It costs them almost nothing to hold the copyright.
>>14288159
This was something that was done alot in the past with shows prior to Robotech having anything other the companies involved in the American adaptations names credited in the credits. It really took Akira for people to see to finally notice Japan as far as I know. I would love to read a paper on that topic that isn't wouldn't be filled to the brim with venom. Robotech is a product of its time like it or not.
And, yeah. Fuck HG! Invisible wall or not.
>>14288626
I don't know about the US but in Australia if you ask the vendor if they can tell you how to make a BD player region free they're required to tell you how if the player allows it, not sure about the legalities but the last time I bought a BD player from a major vendor this was certainly the case
>>14288458
Reminder that this sort of shit happens often behind the scenes. Plenty of projects are said to be still going forward any time someone bothered to ask or just one person on it is still delusional/desperate enough to believe it'll one day happen and keep talking about it even when everyone else has pretty much said no. For every 1000+ projects that are said to be going forward, in reality only like maybe 10 or so actually does go forward.
The only reason why you think it's happening is because in recent years people are actually starting to pay more attention to backstage scenes and social media is allowing more of those behind the scenes stuff to be available. But the process still hasn't changed
>>14288809
No, HG won't. Read up on Hollywood's bullshit accounting practices.
>>14288862
Nonsense. Robotech was an unusual exception for not crediting japanese creators.
Here's Star Blazers for example. harmony gold are just assholes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Z9O4VH_ak
>>14288932
>No, HG won't. Read up on Hollywood's bullshit accounting practices.
they'll get money as license holders as well as other residuals and that's usually quite a bit on its own without doing any work
>>14288943
It won't be tens of millions. It'll be far, far lesser than that. Seriously, go read up on this shit. Hollywood is notorious for fucking up rights holders with their bullshit legal loopholes and accounting practices.
You might say: but they still get money. Yes, but it won't the big break you think it is. The money will just be them dragging their undead company along, maybe buy them a couple more years, since the studios sure as hell won't give them a 2nd chance.
Seriously, we may like to make fun of Hollywood but they still aren't to be taken likely. And this isn't paranoia or conspiracy speculations. You can go and do your own research on the bullshit that runs that place.
>>14288889
It's illegal in the US. You don't actually "own" your BD-player. You're only licensing it for personal use from the company and they can take it back at any time, as well as fine you for tampering with it.
>>14288957
>Hollywood is notorious for fucking up rights holders with their bullshit legal loopholes and accounting practices.
for once this might be a good thing, I would die laughing if HG got screwed over by hollywood
>>14288959
Jesus christ when even the fucking shitpost country is better at handling this shit you know there is something infinitely wrong with america
>>14288809
It costs a lot to make and market a movie though.
>>14288986
America is actually really fucked up in many, many ways
We just never talk about it because their culture is so dominant
>>14289004
America isn't even fully democratic and actually holds overseas territories like Guam and Puerto Rico without giving their citizens any real rights or in some cases even citizenship. Even Washington DC, their own capital, isn't given full voting rights. It's kind of funny, if in a black sense, for a country that bangs on about democracy so much.
It looks about 50/50 for localizers acknowledging the japanese in the 70s and early 80s
Speed racer credits the original creators
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=523N3zwVupM
Vehicle voltron does not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLdR_cOdrUU
lion voltron does not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUSpQW3zcUw
Astro boy gives credit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3SvVpEYr40
Battle of the planets does not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm8oxxRhUyg
ulysses 31 gives credit
https://youtu.be/diH8TXZKfuQ?t=23m40s
All the force five shows give partial credit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm3x5W3-Tj8
Kimba the white lion gives full credit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Tli_mhtOA&list=ELP7kHaRxcFPg
>>14288266
>>14288495
It's the jews, really. Haim Saban, anyone?
>>14288266
big-west got into, in retrospect, a very very bad deal, likely because they couldn't/wouldn't deal with international distribution on a show they considered as niche.
>>14289019
All jews are shitty because one jew is shitty? Really? That's like condemning all Christians because Gibson is a fucking lunatic.
It's not the Jews. It's Saban and people like him. Not Jews: assholes.
>>14288999
And that's even assuming the studio is willing to market it. So that's another big IF after IF it gets made at all.
Oh, and just for reference, here's a live action of an actual anime that barely anyone in the US would know about. It's based off hentai so there's obviously very little marketing and that's how much it generated. Robotech might do better, but it still won't be the golden goose robotech fags are expecting it to be.
So what happens if I try to import, say, a Yamato Macross toy from Japan. Does HG have agents at every postal/delivery company in the world who will intercept it?
>>14289116
They've never touched personal imports there's nothing they can do.
>>14288986
You realize he's bullshitting, right?
It'd be like saying that you need a license in order to own and watch a TV in the UK-
Oh, wait.
>>14288934
And here I thought Japan-phobia was still quite strong for years making it hard to put a Japanese name on the credits. I guess it's just my experience with people from back then. I would still like to learn exactly why they were ommitted and other ommissions if they exist.
>>14289010
From someone with Irish in the: being white is like being in an exclusive club that Irish-Americans had to fight for to be considered "not like those other blacks." Seriously, we weren't even considered to be truely white back then, and even Ghandi did the same thing. Is white a race, a club, or what? White-supremacy is a bitch.
>>14289011
More! Why? Must learn!
>>14289116
That's what lawyers are for.
>>14289190
There were some more that I can't find credits for but mostly ZIV home video and rental store stuff like candy candy, wonderful wizard of oz, captain future, captain harlock etc. They've either been uploaded without the end credits or they're newer dvd releases that don't have the original credits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZwTCjz5r6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_57XARGmFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTUAMVJD7XY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuk-hHPTV2U&list=PLS3SOlSTtJcDe-vQ-T46r_cB1U_ENAuKF
We had a lot more anime in the 70's and 80's than kids realize. And these are just the ones I saw as a kid personally. there are probably many more. I didn't include a few that were made in japan but funded by the french liek belle and sebastian, mysterious cities of gold, inspector gadget etc
>>14289249
The point is Robotech being the herald of popular Japanese cartoons is bullshit
>>14289019
You mean the person who actually tried to bring dubbed sentai to the west, credits Toei and doesnt meddle with sentai being released in the US?
>>14289190
>From someone with Irish in the: being white is like being in an exclusive club that Irish-Americans had to fight for to be considered "not like those other blacks." Seriously, we weren't even considered to be truely white back then, and even Ghandi did the same thing. Is white a race, a club, or what? White-supremacy is a bitch.
That is what happens when you're descedant of a potato
>>14288633
If I recall correctly the whole reason the case had teeth to begin with, is that McDonalds kept their coffee super hot, so people would have to wait for it to cool before they drank it as a form of refill control.
>>14288424
>What about the Robotech novel's
They're decent and very different in tone from Robotech the animation. A word of caution though, find the original volumes (those published in the 1980s through the early 90s) because that shithead of Yune managed to retcon the story so that it adapts to his "new" vision of the Robotech continuity. Hence the new improved and retconned to hell volumes. These you really really don't want to read.
>>14288670
Every other "never" series is available legally.
fuck LOGH is going to come to the US. That was my "lol this will never happen" series. This is the biggest monster of classic series.
>>14289256
Yep, also how could I forget TRANZOR Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVkueSuO-GU
Cities of gold intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ki99YBVKyw
belle and sebastien
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMlKawBexI
King arthur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtqlQIG4gi0
Even as a kid you could tell from the art style and the credits that you were watching something different from regular cartoons
If only there was a way to ruin HG
>>14289306
>TRANZOR Z
Tranzor was my jam as a little kid.
From my own experiences Robotech did have some prominence.
Like, even through the late 90s I'd see comics dealer types that didn't know anything lump robot cartoon stuff as "Robotech".
The time I got a bunch of old posters cheap as hell they were labelled "999 Robotech" "Nausicaa Robotech" and "Final Yamato Robotech". So clearly there was a perception that Robotech was a thing.
I don't remember if it was on TV in my area. I remember seeing the toys at least.
I get the impression that Robotech seems to be attached to the rise of "there are nerds who will dump money on Japanese cartoon shit" as a concept.
Like the old Protoculture Addicts magazine. Either they dug it or they thought their market dug it.
I'm pretty sure Star Blazers established "hey scifi nerds Japan has cartoons with spaceships and stuff", but I don't know how profitable it was for anybody.
>>14289265
The person he was talking to, i.e. me, is a potato/Irish. The US still isn't fully democratic and a large part of the reason it doesn't (or at least didn't originally) grant it's territories rights is because of racial prejudice. It's not addressed now simply because most people don't even realize it's a thing, and the people who do mostly don't care. Which is sad from a place like America.
>>14289158
You do in most modern nations.
>>14289333
K commie. We're on /m/, not your course on thermodynamics of fat and racial feminist oppression.
>>14289330
>From my own experiences Robotech did have some prominence.
It really all depends where you lived in the 80s. Firstly if you lived in a state that aired robotech and secondly what the other channels were airing in the same time slot.
I did get robotech in my state but it was on at the same time as transformers so we only watched rt for a couple minutes at a time during the transformers commercial breaks.
if you lived in a state where you weren't missing out on the more popular cartoons by watching robotech then I'd imagine it would have a stronger following.
>>14289346
> wants a democracy to be fully democratic
> somehow makes me communist
> along with a few other bits of random shit
Shitposters don't even make sense anymore.
>>14289330
>I get the impression that Robotech seems to be attached to the rise of "there are nerds who will dump money on Japanese cartoon shit" as a concept.
Did nerds have that perception though?
Wasn't the hottest thing basically Ranma?
>>14289380
And Akira
Guys, we only have a year until that license expires. The movie won't get made by then.
>>14289263
I heard otherwise. There's a reason why Shout Factory ' releases mention power rangers, and apparently it is not due to wanting to get a wider audience.
>>14289380
>Wasn't the hottest thing basically Ranma?
I'm mostly sure Ranma was some years later in the US. But yeah by the mid90s they had a pretty decent market for Ranma stuff
>>14289391
I'm not talking about the "direct to video cartoon" market. I mean more the equivalent of the Narutards who buy headbands and stuff.
>>14289354
I'm not talking about the tv run. I don't think it even ran in my area. I didn't really watch Saturday morning cartoons though because fuck waking up early on my days off.
>>14289394
The Macross license expires? I thought it was valid in perpetuity?
>>14289380
>Ranma
that came in the 90's though right? a good number of years after robotech happened
>>14289333
Tumblr is that way.
>>14289380
The only link I can think of between robotech and the commercialization of anime is the protoculture addicts magazine. The name of the magazine referenced macross/robotech but it had roots in the canadian anime scene which had roots in the french anime scene.
>>14289407
>I'm not talking about the tv run.
So the cable run in the 90's then? The 90's is too late I can't imagine why anyone would be associating nausicaa with robotech in the 90's
>>14289408
Hg's licence does expire periodically but they usually renegotiate it a year or two before it expires. The current lease goes until either 2019 or 2021 iirc.
when sonys license expires we can only speculate
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>>14289409
Yeah but Ranma is THE big anime of the early gaijin anime fandom to me. It was known that it was chinese asian shit but loved immensely an had a billion fanworks
>>14289407
Is there anything between Robotech and Ranma that is a series? Maybe some OVA?
also if anybody really wants to research some firsthand accounts of stuff they might try ancient usenet and old SF mag and fanzine letters columns from back in the day
>>14289416
I'm not really addressing any particular run of the show on tv.
I'm talking about what I've seen dealers try and other indicators of what the perception of Robotech has been over time.
Also HG had VHS releases all over the place in the video stores I rented from, Blockbusters, mom and pops, it got around.
>>14289423
There's that Rumic crossover special.
And I remember an old fanfic juxtaposing A Christmas Carol and Carl Macek, and Yet To Come was showing how he combined MI and Ranma into one show.
>>14289354
>It really all depends where you lived in the 80s. Firstly if you lived in a state that aired robotech and secondly what the other channels were airing in the same time slot.
That was true of any syndicated cartoon show. Even stuff like Ducktales wasn't on in every market. But if it was on in your area, there was a pretty good chance that was your first exposure to Macross, or maybe even anime in general.
Robotech was not the universal gateway to the East that some people claim, but it wasn't also this completely obscure show that didn't air anywhere. These arguments get mired in absolute black or white mentality.
>>14289434
>I'm talking about what I've seen dealers try and other indicators of what the perception of Robotech has been over time.
IMO if you did see some kind of anime dealer who didn't know what anime or japanimation was and instead labeled everything "robotech" that's a bizarre anomaly.
In my area anime news was published in video gaming magazines so we never got any weird confusion like what you experienced.
>>14289450
> if it was on in your area, there was a pretty good chance that was your first exposure to Macross, or maybe even anime in general.
I don't think so. As pointed out earlier there was plenty of anime around, anime that actually credited the japanese. I'd already seen a dozen anime before robotech.
I don't see why you desperately cling to the belief that this one particular show that doesn't even acknowledge its japanese origins is somehow special and raised anime awareness, despite being preceeded by more popular anime, some of which had obvious japanese credits.
>>14289416
The lease is the ability to renegotiate it then? Who do they even negotiate with? Big West?
Even though I don't really like post-Plus Macross, I hope Kawamori is able to work something out with bringing Delta west. Is there anything stopping them from putting an English option on a Japanese streaming site though? HG isn't stupid enough to go after Big West/Bandai/Satelight itself.
>>14288412
It is pretty sad some anime fans immediately associate Macek with Robotech when his work in Streamline is far more impressive (even though I like some of the casting choices in Robotech, especially Tony Oliver and Dan Woren as not-Hikaru and Roy, you can really tell it was Macek's first time directing something) and had a far bigger impact on popularizing anime in the states, even if it was at the expense of pissing off fans who only wanted subs.
>>14289470
>In my area anime news was published in video gaming magazines so we never got any weird confusion like what you experienced.
You seem to be thinking
a) EGM mid-late 90s SFC import-based anime nerding
b) comic dealers gave any fucks ever
>>14289470
>I'd already seen a dozen anime before robotech.
on Toonami or back in 1985?
this is important
>>14289470
>I don't see why you desperately cling to the belief that this one particular show that doesn't even acknowledge its japanese origins is somehow special and raised anime awareness, despite being preceeded by more popular anime, some of which had obvious japanese credits.
I didn't say anything like that. I did know that style of animation came from Japan because of other circumstances in my childhood. It was many people's first exposure to Macross. Not all, or most, but many. How can you argue that?
If you were growing up in some Bumblefuck area in the 80s', and didn't have cable, it may have also been your first exposure to anime. Maybe it wasn't! But it cvould have been. This is very conditional and not a controversial statement.
>>14289473
Tatsunokos distrubiution rights for sdf macross never expire, harmony gold go to tatsunoko to renew their sublicense roughly every 8 years.
>>14289482
Before the 85 tv run. I'd already seen most of the shows linked in this thread earlier.
>>14289489
Why do Tatsunoko even renew it? You'd imagine Satelight or someone would offer them more money at some point not to.
>>14289513
Because HG own the trademark probably. tatsunoko wouldn't even be able to distribute sdf macross themselves in the usa without going through hg.
Tatsunokos license is almost useless without the trademark
>>14289513
>Why do Tatsunoko even renew it? You'd imagine Satelight or someone would offer them more money at some point not to.
They might still be bitter about being stiffed on the bill for SDF Macross and Southern Cross. Or Big West may not think Tatsunoko is justified to hold the licence. International copyright is very complicated. If BW were to pay a fee to Tatsunoko, that might "prove" that Tatsunoko has a rightful claim. That's why it's also not as simple as "Satelight should just pay HG a royalty" because that would also be like admitting that HG is the owner.
Also worth mentioning that even assuming that BW has the resources to hire an army of lawyers, a lawsuit against HG would still be treacherous. Even though they are in the "right", if the case was lost it would be catastrophic. It's safer for them to exist in this grey area and make what they can domestically and from direct sales abroad.
>>14289482
Things I saw before Robotech as a kid...
Mysterious Cities of Gold
Spartacus and the Sun Beneath the Sea
Belle and Sebastion
Tranzor Z
Battle of the Planets/G-Force
Voltron (Both Lion and Vehicle)
Ulysses 31 (though only on vaction in California)
Using the waybackmachine you can see the court document showing when hg has renewed their license with tatsunoko. Hg have the license until 2021.
https://web.archive.org/web/20141231033918/http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/23/Transformers.pdf
>>14289584
spartacus was cool but I don't think it was anime.
>>14289599
I thought it was a French/Japanese collaboration like Mysterious Cities of Gold and Ulysses 31.
>>14289599
>spartacus was cool but I don't think it was anime.
It was French. Belle and Sebastion and Cities of Gold were French/Japanese co-productions.
>>14289610
>I thought it was a French/Japanese collaboration like Mysterious Cities of Gold and Ulysses 31.
Sparticus looks French as hell.
>>14289544
That could happen easily in the US. Being in the right does not secure a win. Remember that Georgi Sviridov heirs lost against Konami's lawyers when they sued MGS's composer for ripping Winter road (listen to that song and then the MGS main theme and go tell me it isn't a ripoff).
>>14289679
>Remember that Georgi Sviridov heirs lost against Konami's lawyers when they sued MGS's composer for ripping Winter road
Konami won?? I assumed they lost because that first game doesn't get remastered like the others.
>>14289249
But you included Ulysses 31, witch was made by french.
robotechx
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laughing
>>14289708
The french told them what to make but it's made in japan in the japanese style. Shoji kawamori and studio nue of macross fame did the mechanical designs.
>>14289405
>There's a reason why Shout Factory ' releases mention power rangers
That sort of implies SF released super sentai in the west so it's allowed.
So as someone who never fully understood what's going on. How is Harmony Gold able to block people from releasing Macross in the United States?
>>14290216
>How is Harmony Gold able to block people from releasing Macross in the United States?
They filed an international trademark for Macross. The Japanese IP owners never registered it.
>>14290234
Of course forgot to mention: It is possible to release Macross in the US, you would just have to pay HG a fee. There have been several releases of SDF Macross over the years, both subbed and dubbed. The catch is that for newer shows that HG does not have copyright for, to pay HG the trademark fee would be like admitting they are the rightful owners, which is a huge can of worms.
>>14290248
And the "numerous releases" only goes up to 2001 when the global trademark for macross went up
>>14290262
>Animeigo; DVD Release Date: September 9, 2003
>ADV Films; DVD Release Date: January 10, 2006
cool up to 2001
There was one before 2001 in the VHS Robotech Perfect Collection tapes
>>14290216
Harmony Gold trademarked the word Macross so Kawamori couldn't bring Macross over to the west unless he pays Harmony Gold a fee to use the name. HG even attempted to trademark the name Macross twice in japan. They're scum.
>>14290463
Is there a way for Kawamori to sue Harmony Gold and get the trademark from them?
>>14290467
He could but it would be a drawn out case and expensive so I think he wouldn't want to bother. And with how fucked up US courts are would you want him to risk it? For all we know it could give HG rights to all of Macross and take the IP away from him and Big West.
>>14289380
Not really. Ranma was later.
And Ranma was notable for being the first real anime brought over that they didn't try to hide was Japanese in anyway, with Japanese names culture and the fact that they were in Japan intact.
Also it was the first real example of Japanese anime wackiness with him changing gender that was brought over.
>>14290475
>For all we know it could give HG rights to all of Macross and take the IP away from him and Big West.
I'm pretty sure HG tried that only to get laughed out of the courtroom and told it's impossible for them to take an IP away from the original company through international distribution channels because the law doesn't work that way in Japan.
>>14290216
http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/?showtopic=36541
>>14290485
>And Ranma was notable for being the first real anime brought over that they didn't try to hide was Japanese in anyway, with Japanese names culture and the fact that they were in Japan intact.
>Also it was the first real example of Japanese anime wackiness with him changing gender that was brought over.
Off the top of my head, Animeigo had Uresei Yatsura and Kimagure Orange Road, both of which predated Ranma. I think Akira was before that as well, which had a theatrical release and the manga publushed by Marvel.
>>14290485
>And Ranma was notable for being the first real anime brought over that they didn't try to hide was Japanese in anyway, with Japanese names culture and the fact that they were in Japan intact.
yeah nah
>>14290581
this
was Ranma even Viz's first release?
>>14289477
I think the BD's will have English subs, like Frontier's.
Pretty much.
>>14290489
Yes but that was in japan, their home turf, now what would happen if they went after a jew in america? One of the jewest countries in the world?
Delta WILL have official subtitles.
Frontier's re-release of the movies only had official subtitles (D-Shudista boxset). The tv series and first set of movies didn't.
MAN...fuck Harmony Gold.
Is Frank Agrama fucking dead already?
Can you fine gents of /m/ come up with a poster slogan to publicly mock HG?
If they're ever at a local convention I'm gonna sit in the audience (with the several other Robotech fans) and wave it in their faces.
>>14288959
You've fucked up the difference between player and title. The player is yours, the content of the disc is a license. This is true for pretty much every country on paper even if the legalities aren't completely tested in court. Your license (and the second-hand market) is protected by first sale doctrine which allows you to do what you want with shit you own, but the nature of a digital world is eating away at that any way you want to look at it, hence why even though the EU kiiiind of has laws about how digital sales are subject to that doctrine very few services actually allow you to resell digital purchases. Companies are also at liberty to void your warranty for tampering with their shit for sure, but they can't exactly take it back, even if such a thing were practical unless you are literally renting the equipment which with most consumer electronics devices you aren't. The only time it's illegal to tamper with is if you're trying to break copy protection due to the terrible and broad wording of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act but there's been slow chipping away at that via exceptions made by other branches of the U.S. government.
The nature of copyright and copy protection is ugly yet nuanced.
>>14290248
The main thing keeping the non-SDF shows from releasing outside of Japan is actually the songs that are sung in the shows, because for some fucking retarded reason the music labels or whatnot wants to charge insane fees for Planet Dance, etc., when the fact is that nobody outside of Japan knows those songs if they've never watched 7. And it just compounds from there because Frontier uses songs from 7 too, and it might get even worse as you go along (when Delta uses Frontier and 7 songs, etc.).
Kind of ironic that one of the biggest hurdles against popularizing Macross outside of Japan (outside of HG) is the idol aspect of the franchise.
Someone redpill on what's going on here.
Not familiar with the Harmony Gold situation.
>>14291110
How about you read the fucking thread? Someone already asked and was given an answer, >>14290216
>>14290927
or, you could just go in, take a photo of their usually empty panel. leave, post the photo online and make fun of how empty the room is as always
This is pretty hilarious
>>14290894
Nope, he's 86
>>14291133
He uses retard speak like _pill. You expect him to read?
>>14291110
It's pretty simple____________________________________________Kill yourself_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>14290927
You'd be the most autistic guy in the room, which is really saying something when you're at a Robotech panel.
>>14288658
HG's actions are, apparently, legal and valid. That doesn't mean people have to like it though, of course.
>>14290067
Because they have to pay royalties to Saban, dipshit.
>>14288959
>You're only licensing it for personal use from the company and they can take it back at any time
No they can't. The reason a lot of media is being pushed to digital format is so they can do that in the future when all you're stuck with is just the license.
>>14288692
You can officially support the show by buying merchandise from Japan while watching your downloaded versions. You just want a convenient excuse to make it look like you're pirating as a last resort and not because you're a fucking thief.
>>14290234
>They filed an international trademark for Macross. The Japanese IP owners never registered it.
Big west did trademark macross plus in the 90's but they let it lapse.
Harmony Gold is regularly vilified by Macross fans in the West because of the company’s "actions to block English-language Macross merchandise", but in the mid ’90s, both Macross II and Macross Plus were released by U.S. Renditions and Manga Entertainment in the U.S. without any interference from Harmony Gold. More recently, multiple versions of the original Macross have been released on DVD by AnimEigo and ADV Films, both with the involvement and approval of Harmony Gold.
The problem with foreign releases of Macross isn't HG, but Tatsunoko Pro. Over the last decade, Big West and Tatsunoko have duked it out in Japanese courts, a situation that has no doubt exacerbated the overseas rights issues, regardless of Harmony Gold’s involvement.
You people really should get your facts right.
>>14291652
II and plus came out before hg trademarked macross. adv and animeigo both paid license fees to hg.
You're the one who needs to get their facts right. Fuck off and kill yourself.
>>14291660
Please try to construct an intelligible argument before posting. You are coming off as a retarded child.
>>14291676
0/10
>>14291676
Yes, you are providing proof that HG is not blocking overseas releases. They have the rights so of course they're entitled to licensing fees.
Please do try to keep up.
>he didn't buy the official releases 10 years ago
How to detect a bandwagoning newfag with misguided weeb rage
>>14291694
Wow, you really are retarded.
Try actually reading the posts you're "arguing" with next time.
>>14291696
>giving shekels to harmony gold. Twice. For the same show.
>only getting macross 10 years ago
You're the newfag, and a sucker apparently.
>>14291696
>ADV SDF Vol. 7
FUCKING HOW, I CAN'T FIND THAT SHIT ANYWHERE
>>14291685
They have the rights to the original Macross and not the sequels. They trademarked the name Macross to stop anyone else from making a deal with Big West. How stupid are you to defend this shit.
>>14290467
>Fighting jews in their home turf
Anon, no.
>wanting to do anything with american copyright/trademark laws
>>14291652
How about you post your sources then? If its true, it should be easy.
>>14291696
Sup, Australia
>>14291696
>ADV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNOptWysmZc
>>14288235
Hate to burst your happy bubble but there are plenty of Robotech poofters on /m/.
>>14291750
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2004-02-23/tatsunoko-wins-macross-lawsuit
This was big new and not exactly hard to google. Do your own research before crying out for everyone to spoonfeed you next time.
>>14291730
The point is that they're not BLOCKING releases. Yes they're collecting fees for the rights, but given how ADV and Animeigo paid them they clearly not some sort of exorbitant sum like what Yokoyama Mitsuteru's estate is doing with his stuff.
The reason why official foreign releases of Macross series get problematic is because the Japanese can't decide who owns the overseas distribution rights, which are tied to the rights to the original series.
http://srad.jp/story/04/02/13/2139247/
http://nomano.shiwaza.com/tnoma/blog/archives/000215.html
http://ameblo.jp/nobuchi2/entry-10900685673.html
http://yui1107.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2010/08/post-0176.html
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/ronnor/20080329/1205249130
http://futalog.com/207374302.htm
>最高裁はスタジオぬえ側の上告を棄却する決定をし東京高裁判決が確定した
>この東京高裁判決は約1年前に/.Jのストーリーとなった東京地裁の判決を支持するもので物語の著作権はタツノコプロが持つが絵の著作権はスタジオぬえが持つということ
Even worse, the rights to different parts of the original are split between different companies (most notably: The story belongs Tatsunoko, and the art belongs to Nue) and given how they were fighting over the rights in court they aren't going to start working together to release stuff overseas anytime soon.
>>14291783
Tatsunoko and Studio Nue have nothing to do with Frontier and Delta.
>>14291555
I don't think many people can justify the ludicrous prices blu rays sold in Japan cost.
No show is worth 300+ USD at only 36 episodes. There is a reason why for better or for worse, we should be somewhat glad we have an anime industry that can get things released in the West for a fraction of the "butt fuck those NEET Otaku wallets" prices Japanese companies charge for domestic releases.
>>14291555
>You can officially support the show by buying merchandise from Japan while watching your downloaded versions. You just want a convenient excuse to make it look like you're pirating as a last resort and not because you're a fucking thief.
Seriously. I know it sucks that we don't get official releases of most new stuff but you're not being denied it.
Maybe it's just my age talking but back in 80s and 90s we had to take what we could get and like it.
There are so many options these days, international shopping is easy as piss thanks to sites like AmiAMi or HLJ or whatever and anime is just a DL away and you can have episodes within seconds of release and yet we have people complain when they have the perfect means to get what they want AND stick it to the people they claim to hate.
>>14291805
You can still by theArtbooks, CDs, Toys, Figures and various other merch. There are ways to support the series without buying the BDs.
>>14291802
さらにタツノコプロは、『超時空要塞マクロスII -LOVERS AGAIN-』『マクロス7』『マクロスプラス』『マクロス ダイナマイト7』『マクロス ゼロ』などについて、同社の関与のないまま類似名称の作品が制作・販売されているとして、バンダイビジュアルやビックウエストを相手取り、名称の使用差止めと賠償を求める訴訟を起こした
Tatsunoko is claiming to own the Macross name itself.
>>14291783
You really are an idiot. There's no confusion over who has what rights it's all pretty simple. The only thing stopping anyone releasing macross products in the usa is hgs trademark.
What hg are doing is extortion. Charging someone to use the name of something they didn't even create is a dick move and I suppor the japanese not supporting such behavior
All they need to do is subtitle the games and media and we'll import it personally.
>>14291812
Well that's 100% false as they clearly do not. Bigwest still keep putting out macross without tatsunokos interference.
>>14291818
>There's no confusion
>100% false
The Japanese supreme courts have problems deciding and I'm pretty sure that they're a higher authority than you.
http://srad.jp/story/04/02/13/2139247/
http://nomano.shiwaza.com/tnoma/blog/archives/000215.html
http://ameblo.jp/nobuchi2/entry-10900685673.html
http://yui1107.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2010/08/post-0176.html
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/ronnor/20080329/1205249130
http://futalog.com/207374302.htm
>>14291827
Give it up retard those court cases were over 10 years ago so we're not impressed.
The court ruled Tatsunoko has international distribution and merchandising rights for sdf macross. bigwest has everything else. Simple. End of story.
>>14291831
>The court ruled Tatsunoko has international distribution
Correct. Also
>さらにタツノコプロは、『超時空要塞マクロスII -LOVERS AGAIN-』『マクロス7』『マクロスプラス』『マクロス ダイナマイト7』『マクロス ゼロ』などについて、同社の関与のないまま類似名称の作品が制作・販売されているとして、バンダイビジュアルやビックウエストを相手取り、名称の使用差止めと賠償を求める訴訟を起こした
So Tatsunoko is the one blocking international releases.
>>14291694
Because Robotech was the proof-of-concept that you didn't need to edit it down to sell it to an America audience. America's the world's third-largest country by population, the richest, and the biggest media market. France ain't shit by comparison. France is barely even half the size of Japan, while the US is twice as big as Japan and people there actually buy things.
That's why popularizing the concept in the US matters. Because you can take something made in Japan, buy it for cheap, translate it, do nothing else, and then sell it and make money. Doing a hackdub takes voice actors and scriptwriters, even if they're relatively cheap ones, and that cuts into profits. Straight translations are relatively easy and you can churn them out for less money, so if people will buy straight translations then that's what will be sold.
Selling anything in France will buy you maybe a box of peanuts if it's a huge hit. The shit that gets released in France NOW is usually translated from Japanese to English and then the English sub script is translated to French to save time and money. America is the gateway to international distribution. If it's profitable to sell it in America then it becomes profitable to sell it worldwide. If you can't make in America, then I hope you like your native country because you're never getting released anywhere else.
As much as everyone on 4chan likes to talk about, "lel mainstream normalfags who buy things like idiots, unlike use superior poorfags!" they are the ones who buy things, and shit only gets made because people buy it. Robotech is what proved that people will buy anime, as it is with minimal changes, and that paved the way for the "Japanimation" boom and the industry as it exists now. The era of everything getting released and publications existing entirely to cover anime only exists because Robotech proved that it was a viable business model to begin with.
>>14288277
Robotech was the big breakthrough that gave the anime medium anything close to a semblance of recognition in mainstream, and got anime recognized. There are cases of anime before it becoming slightly popular or extremely popular in the case of Speed Racer, but they weren't recognized as anime. People thought they were just cartoons. People thought Speed Racer was fucking Hanna Barbera.
You're straight up wrong about Voltron, and though you didn't mention it, Star Blazers wasn't anywhere as popular as Robotech back in the day either.
>>14291838
Only if you blame tatsunoko for hg's actions. Harmony gold sublicenses the rights from tatsunoko and hg are the ones who filed the trademark so actually it's hg who are in everyones way.
>Because Robotech was the proof-of-concept that you didn't need to edit it down to sell it to an America audience.
>proof-of-concept that you didn't need to edit it down
Sure if you ignore that they edited out the violence and nudity
>>14291850
HG are only being a bunch of jews collecting money from people who want to release Macross overseas, but as ADV and Animeigo have showed, it's really a paltry sum and not a real problem.
The problem is that the Japanese are still fighting in courts over the different rights on how to use the Macross name because the original series was created in an age where the Japanese didn't fully understand copyright and IP, and so the rights are split between half a dozen different companies.
>>14291856
>The problem is that the Japanese are still fighting in courts over the different rights
No they aren't you stupid cunt. Even the two court cases in the early 2000's had no effect on who owned what rights.
>>14291861
Read
http://srad.jp/story/04/02/13/2139247/
http://nomano.shiwaza.com/tnoma/blog/archives/000215.html
http://ameblo.jp/nobuchi2/entry-10900685673.html
http://yui1107.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2010/08/post-0176.html
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/ronnor/20080329/1205249130
http://futalog.com/207374302.htm
>>14291845
Well it's not even an issue of what it changed. For whatever people like to bitch about you CAN'T say Robotech talked down to the audience.
The consequences of war where real and big, People you liked died in ways that weren't always heroic and no one was sent to the shadow realm or some gay ass shit like that. There weren't blue and red lasers that never hit anything and there where no PSA's forced at the end about why you shouldn't lick light sockets.
The romance stayed a big deal and wasn't cut out because "boys don't like mushy stuff" and the music was still majorly important.
even fucking Voltron refused to kill off characters who died and monsters where now bloodless robots.
You may have had to been there at the time but it was kind of a big deal to see a comparatively more "mature" show when we're used to stuff like TMNT and other safe toy vehicle shows
>>14291850
>Sure if you ignore that they edited out the violence and nudity
There's no getting around the nudity as far as networks go but in terms of violence they really didn't edit that much. Really they may have cleaned up some blood but every one who died still died the same ways.
fuck if anything Robotech had a higher body count
>>14291871
Wrong. Repeating a lie doesn't make it come true.
>>14291876
see you say that
>>14291876
>http://srad.jp/story/04/02/13/2139247/
it clearly says 2004. This is pathetic. even for a fucking canadian.
>>14291876
>japan are fighting over the macross name guys!
>hopes that if he posts links in japanese nobody will call his bullshit
>posts links from 2004 about a long dead court case like a fucking moron.
>>14291880
Yes, the news that the rights were split between multiple companies is THAT old, so why are you arguing that it's not true
>>14291891
>dead
Those are the results of the court case. Are you retarded?
>>14291891
>>14291880
>>14291877
>old court cases are invalid!
>>14291896
>>14291896
>Claim the macross rights are currently disputed like a thoroughly incorrect idiot.
>Turns out they haven't been disputed for over 12 years and those court cases only confirmed what everyone already knew.
Have a you it's the only thing you're here for.
>>14291807
Not to mention amazon.co.jp can ship BDs, books, and CDs overseas without too much problem and a better price.
>>14291869
>Well it's not even an issue of what it changed. For whatever people like to bitch about you CAN'T say Robotech talked down to the audience.
Yes you can since it had that stupid narrator that explained everything happening on screen.
>>14291910
Are you retarded? The court cases officially distributed rights for different parts of the franchise among different companies which means they have to work together to get stuff released overseas.
>>14291980
Actually if you had any idea what you were talking about you'd know that no macross rights changed hands. Tats got to keep what they already had, bigwest kept what they already had, bigwest appealed the decision and lost.
Only two groups have macross rights. hg/tats have merch rights for SDF+DYRL and distribution license only for SDF. bigwest/nue have all copyrights and merch/dist rights for all macross properties worldwide, excluding sdf macross in most overseas markets.
The only unknown is who has the distribution rights for DYRL
>>14292006
It's not that simple, the court case also established that the story and world setting goes to Tatsunoko and art goes to Nue. Sequels deriving from the original's setting (as of now, all of them) require approval from both to be released overseas.
>>14292041
>the court case also established that the story and world setting goes to Tatsunoko
>Sequels deriving from the original's setting (as of now, all of them) require approval from both to be released overseas.
Where do you idiots come up with this nonsense? None of that happened.
>>14292054
>この東京高裁判決は約1年前に/.Jのストーリーとなった東京地裁の判決を支持するもので物語の著作権はタツノコプロが持つが絵の著作権はスタジオぬえが持つということ
>>14291259
I wouldn't say that. Based on the Japanese court case, as well as the fact that if you were a proper licensor you could show you have more cause to have access to those trademarks than HG, you could win. But it's such a risk none of the small localizers want to take the risk, and the big ones don't care because they're rolling in dough with poor dubs and decent licenses. Like Sentai.
It is a very odd scenario.
Tatsunoko has signed a copyright waiver before selling it to HG, yet they still claim to have the rights to it dealing with Nue and BW.
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2016/05/06(金) 03:26:07.48 ID:IkV5SKOr0
>>878
第一の原因は、同日同時間帯に放送開始予定だった
「愛の戦士レインボーマン」の初回が万策尽き
マクロスにしわ寄せがきた事
このせいでマクロス初回放送は1話と2話を同時放送せざるを得なくなり、
制作スケジュール圧迫の原因になった
第二に元請けのタツノコが制作に非協力的だった事
石黒曰く、タツノコからしたら継子のマクロス
マクロスの制作協力をしてくれないタツノコとの喧嘩が絶えなかったらしい
板野曰く、スタープロからの助っ人を鍛えて使えるようにすると
タツノコがウラシマンの現場に引き抜いていく等々
そのマクロスを著作権放棄という契約でアメリカのハーモニーゴールドに二束三文で売却しながら
HPの自社作品の歴史にのうのうとマクロスを載せているタツノコはマジでクソ
このクソ契約のせいでマクロスは海外配信や海外展開が殆ど不可能
Fやデルタで過去のマクロスに興味持った人は初代TV版見るとき
映像レベルに関しては寛大な心を持って欲しい
>>14292091
>>14292109
That doesn't say anything that supports what you're saying.
>tatsunoko doesn't like bigwest and won't co-operate with them
Everyone already knows that.
It is not supporting anything because I am not that anon.
It just shows that Tatsunoko is a fucking stupid company for crashing the party since day one.
>>14291783
I thought the actual restriction on Macross was the ridiculous cost of licensing music?
>>14289275
I swear it was because so many truckers came through there, they would often drink it hours later and want it still warm.
>>14292135
And they're the ones refusing to work with BW, which is why overseas releases are blocked.
>>14289477
Agreed. Robotech was constructed only to get those shows on the air within the given parameters. And why should he have not taken the money to do something that, regardless of how we may feel due to the current circumstances, is a relatively decent story?
All of the Streamline stuff, however, from the Ghibli dubs (that we finally have access to all of, by the way), Lupin, Akira, and the long list of others, were all genuine attempts to localize the material so that it could be distributed in the west.
The enemy in the matter is HGUSA. Blindly accusing Macek of this or that is like accusing Matt Laurer for 9/11 -- He was there when it happened, but that's about it.
>>14289683
The first game doesn't get remastered because, technically, the remake is the final version . . . unfortunately, Nintendo would have to be willing to get Twin Snakes on a non-Nintendo console for it to happen, and why would they let Konami do things . . . Konami usually does bad things when people let them do things.
>>14290262
>>14290300
There's also the insanely shitty release they're currently doing (or announced in 2014 that they'd be doing, but I haven't seen it) that was announced to have both Robotech episodes and uncut SDF episodes on it.
>>14292287
Nice disinformation bro. Brick and mortar stores can sell macross anywhere outside japan hg don't have the trademark like singapore and hong kong tatsunoko don't have any say in the matter.
>>14292342
Brick and mortar stores can only sell SDF Macross related merchandise. Anything else is off limits. That's why Yamato toys said on their official english page that they cannot sell any of their Macross toylines in the US.
>>14292353
You're obviously wrong again because they can and do sell whatever they want they're not restricted to SDF.
>Yamato toys said on their official english page that they cannot sell any of their Macross toylines in the US.
Trademark. it's always the trademark. Hg's license is only for Sdf toys.
>>14292342
Those stores are parallel importing Japanese releases, they're not official overseas releases you brainless degenerate chink of a rice nigger.
>>14292372
>chink of a rice nigger.
Not >>14292342, but I am saving this for later
>>14292365
And Yamato made SDF toys and they still couldn't release them here. The only SDF toys sold in the west are toys made by companies HG themselves officially pay for hence the shitty Toynami toys.
>>14292372
What does official release have to do with anything? Tatsunokos rights don't apply to "asian territories" and hg's trademark is only in germany, the usa and a handful of other countries.
>>14292382
What's that got to do with anything? Nobody is disputing tatsunoko and by extension harmony gold have the sdf toy rights in the usa. That license wouldn't let them block merchandise from anything after sdf so they trademarked the word 'across' and here we are.
>>14291809
trying to cut back on other anime shit so i can buy Macross BDs and models. I'm going to be broke, but it'll be mostly worth it
>>14291848
I see you misspelled ''Speed Racer' or 'Voltron'. Robotech didn't do jack shit for the mainstream comparatively.
>>14292423
Robotech was the big breakthrough that gave the anime medium anything close to a semblance of recognition in mainstream, and got anime recognized. There are cases of anime before it becoming slightly popular or extremely popular in the case of Speed Racer, but they weren't recognized as anime. People thought they were just cartoons. People thought Speed Racer was fucking Hanna Barbera.
You're straight up wrong about Voltron, and though you didn't mention it, Star Blazers wasn't anywhere as popular as Robotech back in the day either.
>>14292440
>source, my ass
You don't have a single fucking source to back all of that shit up. You're just talking out of your ass.
>>14292446
Man, you kids REALLY don't know what it was like back then, do you? I helped distribute VHS fansubs of Grendizer back in the day, I kind of remember what the whole anime scene was like in the 80's. Voltron was massively popular but only for a short while, it just fizzled out and didn't leave much of an impact on the anime industry (not pop culture in general, just the anime industry: It came too early, before people really knew what "anime" was). Starblazers was only popular on a niche level. Nobody even knew that Speed Racer was Japanese.
>>14292454
Sure grandpa we'll just take your nostalgia biased account of things instead of just looking at how many sequels and pop culture references those other shows got.
>>14292440
>>14292454
I remember this pasta from the last thread.
>>14292464
>>14292464
>sequels and pop culture references
Did you even read what I said? Voltron left no impact on the anime industry, and nobody even knew that Speed Racer wasn't American.
>>14292465
Copypasted my own post because it's the exact same thing happening again, stupid millennials shooting their mouths over things they're totally clueless about.
>>14292467
>oh no he's not falling for my bullshit claims, better respond with a reaction image!
At least you're admitting you've lost the argument.
>>14292468
What impact on the anime industry? The only impact Robotech could've had is to show why you shouldn't stitch together three unrelated shows into an incoherent mess.
>>14292472
Anime would never have become popular in the west, and then spread to other parts of the world, if it weren't for Robotech. Stop being such an ingrate and get your head out of your ass.
Robotech was the big breakthrough that gave the anime medium anything close to a semblance of recognition in mainstream, and got anime recognized. There are cases of anime before it becoming slightly popular or extremely popular in the case of Speed Racer, but they weren't recognized as anime. People thought they were just cartoons. People thought Speed Racer was fucking Hanna Barbera.
>>14292475
>I thought they were just cartoons. I thought Speed Racer was fucking Hanna Barbera.
Fixed that for you. If anything Dragonball Z and Sailor Moon are what really made anime popular in the west. Robotech was barely a footnote.
>>14292475
>People thought they were just cartoons
Wouldn't they think the same of Robotech considering HG did everything they could to remove evidence of it being Japanese?
>>14292479
EVERYONE thought Voltron and Speed Racer were American cartoons you idiot, but Robotech was released at a time when anime was starting to get more attention after the cult hit of Star Blazers.
>>14292485
It was released AFTER we started getting fan magazines raising awareness on anime in general, while the others were released before. Robotech was the first "new" show that people actually went in knowing was originally Japanese.
>>14292486
Did you just admit that people only knew Robotech was anime because of these fan magzines?
>>14292486
Wait so the only people that knew Robotech was a japanese production were a niche group of anime fans reading anime magazines? It sounds like anime magazines helped more in getting japanese animation recognized as japanese than Robotech did.
>>14292488
Oh great, now you're going to be a retarded child again about fan magazines because you have no idea how big and important they were back then aren't you.
>>14292489
And here we go.
Anime fan magazines were massively distributed throughout colleges around the country and also used to mail-order copies of VHS fansubs people made. It wasn't "niche", it was the entire anime fandom. Robotech was the newest show to be broadcast on TV that wasn't something that looked like it was for kids and plenty of people not in the anime fandom watched it too, and the anime fandom made sure to let them now about its roots.
Yes, the fans and magazines helped just as much, but it wouldn't have been possible at all without Robotech in the first place.
>>14292492
And the attention it got from this ensured that when it was covered in mainstream (non-fan) magazines it was mentioned that it was originally Japanese, and that was when articles were run in magazines and newspapers about Japanese animation becoming a new fad and all that.
Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon came AFTER all this, riding on the coattails, once anime had already become established.
>>14292492
College nerds and anime fans does not mean "everyone" pal.
>>14292493
>Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon came AFTER all this, riding on the coattails, once anime had already become established.
No it didn't. Source is me.
Speed racer was the most universal anime.
>>14292502
No it wasn't, man. Nobody even knew Speed Racer was anime. They thought it was a Tex Avery cartoon. I should know because I was there and my dad wrote for anime magazines.
>>14288159
That's a spectacular failure to understand that only legal persons can create and own IPs in the US.
I'm going to interject this debate here with some facts: Dragon Ball Z's Toonami ratings (at one point, the highest Cartoon Network had ever and has ever had) and Pokémon, helped anime's "mainstream exposure" explode. The eyes and money being spent on anime helped everyone and jumpstarted the 00's bubble. Companies that were already doing well (ADV, Bandai, Geneon) exploded, FUNimation is literally the house that Goku built and uses the Dragon Ball franchise to print money, and companies that were previously doing well enough to pay the bills (AnimEigo, CPM, Manga, MB) were able to continue doing pretty well until the bubble popped. Cartoon Network started airing more anime than ever before; Adult Swim is a byproduct of this created to capitalize on the older audience's want for less-edited, more mature anime (and animation in general). Sailor Moon proved to people that there was (and is) a sizeable female population in the anime community.
I'm not saying that Robotech did or didn't help the popularity of anime, because it did, along with Streamline's catalog of titles, Tenchi Muyo, UY, Ranma, and a plethora of other anime that companies were localizing from the late-80's to the late-90's, but this big "acceptance" and "popularity" that everyone is experiencing today and trying to use for "this" title's impact or "that one'"s, is mostly due in part to Dragon Ball Z and Pokémon cleaning house on TV every week in the late 90's and early 00's, and the industries jump into the abyss by pumping out as much as they could until the industry imploded.
>>14291940
>Yes you can since it had that stupid narrator that explained everything happening on screen.
see now you're just looking for shit to bitch about and missed the whole fucking point.
>>14292512
There's a reason why there are countless Voltron, Speed Racer, DBZ, Sailor Moon, and Pokemon pop culture references in western television but almost none for Robotech. It wasn't that popular.
>>14292518
I'm not debating that (I don't watch most things on TV anyway, so I wouldn't know), just saying that it (and Voltron, actually) sold pretty well when sold in the west, and were notable parts of the community before the "boom," but were not responsible for it. My main point is that DBZ and Pokémon did not ride any sort of coattails like a previous poster said, and that their popularity had nothing to do with a large community built by Robotech and Voltron. There were many many anime in circulation by the time anime "got big" in the west, not just those.
>>14291694
>get proven wrong
His entire argument was that HG didn't prevent any releases of Macross in the US and you just fucking proved it by posting a US release of Macross with the HG logo on it you fucking moron.
>>14292497
"Everyone" refers to everyone else. Learn basic English before posting on an English message board, please.
>No it didn't.
And the 90's came before the 80's, right? Sure thing.
>>14291818
>What hg are doing is extortion
Yeah fuck them for wanting to get money over the franchise they paid money to own the rights to.
>>14292526
>>14292512
Pokemon was seen as Pokemon and nothing else.
DBZ and Sailor Moon and the other popular anime of the 90's were seen as anime because of the established anime fandom from the 80's. If it weren't for it they might have still been popular, but as cartoons, like Speed Racer, not as anime.
>>14291818
>The only thing stopping anyone releasing macross products in the usa is hgs trademark.
That's not stopping anyone. See >>14291696 >>14291676 you retard. They just asking for fees.
The thing ACTUALLY stopping them is Tatsunoko being a bag of dicks and refusing to agree to BW releasing stuff overseas.
>>14292536
They paid money for the rights to air SDF Macross not the entire fucking franchise. Also those slimeballs tried to trademark the Macross name in japan TWICE. How is that not attempted extortion?
>>14292537
DBZ and Sailor Moon were seen as anime instead of western cartoons on Toonami because the companies with the rights to the other shows on Toonami started making money (ad revenue increase), and started releasing more content. At one point, Cartoon Network was getting anime for free from Bandai and Pioneer because they did it in return for CN dropping the prices on ad space, so they could advertise the sea of merchandise and DVDs they were pumping out en masse because people, old fans and new alike, were watching in unseen numbers. The shows were seen as anime because western anime license holders were telling us it was anime so we would buy it. The western anime companies became Hank Hill and were on TV every afternoon and every night selling us anime and anime accessories. Manga companies began pumping out books (Tokyopop gave us some really shitty translations, too) to cash in because all of the new people watching anime wanted to read the books, which is exactly what most modern anime is used for (to sell the original work and derivatives). Bookstores and video rental stores (which, if everyone has forgotten in 2016, used to be in a lot more places with a lot more stock) were stocking these tapes and books on shelves labeled "Anime," "Manga," and, sometimes, "Japanimation."
There was already a community when DBZ started airing on Toonami. There was already a community when Pioneer started releasing Tenchi Muyo. There was already a community when Streamline released Akira. There was already a community when HGUSA released Robotech. There was already a community when Star Blazers was on TV. There was already a community when Sandy Frank took Battle of the Planets to syndication. There might have even been a community before Fred Ladd put Astro Boy on NBC. The "established fandom" that existed at each point in time contributed to the success of the next, but does not account for the surge in popularity of the medium after the fact--it's simple math.
>>14292493
> they rode Robotech's coattails
> they rode it 10 years later
> after just about everybody had forgotten Robotech
>>14292544
I was always under the impression that they paid for the franchise distribution and not just for SDF
>>14291110
Females are the scourge of humanity.
>>14291110
No one knows what shit is their shit.
People get shit that isn't there shit but it becomes their shit . . . maybe, because no one is sure who gave who what shit and if they gave their shit or another's shit.
Court is expensive, so everyone angrily yells at each other about their shits instead of having it settled, in fear that someone might get some shit that isn't theirs and some shit might be taken away forever.
Macross won't be legally streamed in North America. In honor of the previously mentioned shenanigans, we debate who is responsible for this (the no-streaming issue) in the same manner as they have argued over Macross' ownership/legal-guardian/babysitter.
>>14292626
Why not just find and murder every principal executive of HG, and keep killing anyone who tries to keep the company alive? The rights will then have to expire.
curious, what countries aren't covered by HG? because with gundam they limit their youtube streams to asia and oceania so technically if they really wanted to they could have a limited stream for macross as well.
>>14292634
Just japan I believe. They filed that trademark for the US, europe, and asia.
>>14292629
Supposedly, there would still be people complaining about who owns the shit and what shit who owned. Killing off a single party might solve the problem of who owns what shit, or it might cause a sub-fight over who the dead party's shit reverts back to now that they're gone.
A better alternative would be to spend extremely large amounts of money and buy out every party in the matter at once and own ALL of the shit, whether pieces belonged to them in the end or not. That way: the shit-fight ends, a single party (who was not involved in the fight) now owns all of the shit (and shit derivatives), and the whole world can now watch this shit.
>>14290978
Tell me then why was Symphogear, a show based entirely around songs got simulcast here, same with the idolmaster anime whenever one airs? That bullshit about the reason they not being released ehre being the songs is pure horse shit from HG apologists
>>14293029
because different singers and different labels have different agreements
what, do you think there's a single artist contract for all of Japan
>>14293031
And how does that invalidates what I said? Do you really fucking think that the symphogear VAs are all under a single label?
Just buy your shit directly from japan because newer series will never be localized in your place in your lifetime.
You buy more from japan they make keep making more shows and toys.
You pay more to overseas companies HG gets fatter and you get nothing.
There is no point talking into this shit.
>>14293064
So, now that you have been proven wrong you just fall back to your old shitposting pasta? Why don't you stay at your robotech forum because it will never be accepted here
>>14293034
songs get paid different so Sympy Gear doesn't matter to Macross ideas
>>14293109
They are paid the exact same way you HG chimp, even more so when they were made by the same fucking studio as macross: Satelight, so now what is the excuse your small chimp brain is going to screech?
Just by your shit from FlyingDog online
http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/flyingdog/
http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/flyingdog/its/index.html
>>14292475
Absolute horseshit; you were getting anime that was just dubbed without any changes to the plot in Europe and South America at the same time as Robotech.
>>14292645
Bit expensive for a robot cartoon.
>>14293776
It's the same people who'll claim that Power Rangers was absolutely necessary for tokusatsu in the West... when plenty of countries in Europe and South America were getting tokusatsu pretty much unedited and just dubbed over at the same time.
>>14293114
all singers in japan get paid the same? what is that socialist shit
>>14292544
>They paid money for the rights to air SDF Macross not the entire fucking franchise
You don't work at HG you don't know what the FUCK they own bitch. Protip faglord if they didn't have the rights to all the other shit they get money for they would have been stopped in court. Stop your bitching fuckhead you don't know anything I figuratively work at HG I know way more about this than you ever could dream of jackass.
>>14294353
>I figuratively work at HG
How does it feel to work with thieves?
You mongoloids sued FASA over misuse of their Macross models WHILE STEALING MECH DESIGN DIRECTLY FROM THEM.
>>14294353
>this
>entire
>post
>>14288999
>It costs a lot to make and market a movie though.
HG doesn't make the movie. They're the rights holder. The studio comes up and gives HG a big sack of money for the rights to make the movie. HG gets a chunk of the money from tie in merch sales as well. It's win win. Even if the movie bombs hard, HG still comes out tens of millions richer. If the movie does well, then they're hundreds of millions of dollars richer.
>>14294353
>I figuratively work at HG
So what you work there but don't get paid? Or do you just hang out with old man Agrama and Tommy Yune and then shitpost on 4chan?
This single toy speaks more about America than anything in the thread.
>>14294414
To be fair the entire OG Transformers line was jamming together various lines of Japanese Robot Toys.
>>14294414
Is that a Transformer?
>>14294435
Who were already being ripped off for Battletech/Robotech, that's the point.
Americans don't give a fuck about putting thought into their stuff, they only want a product that can sell well and if they have to steal it with their laws they will.
Look at Image comic and how it was born, and look how Jewish Todd Mcfarlane became when he made the money too.
>>14294353
>You don't work at HG you don't know what the FUCK they own bitch. Protip faglord if they didn't have the rights to all the other shit they get money for they would have been stopped in court. Stop your bitching fuckhead you don't know anything I figuratively work at HG I know way more about this than you ever could dream of jackass.
I seriously doubt you work at HG. Even a crappy shady full of convicts criminal enterprise wouldn't hire someone that talks like you.
>>14294466
Yep, it's Jetfire or some unoriginal shitty "rad" name as that.
Americans(and Westerners in general) have their heads so far up in their asses they can't even the see the whole situation and how absurd it is, they'll talk about the laws, the rights, the distribution and shit when the ORIGINAL CREATORS actually tell it like it is.
>>14294474
>Americans joke/bitch about China copies
>They are just as bad
>>14294487
It looks like he had a completely different design in the anime.
>>14294414
>>14294487
>Anonymous 05/30/16(Mon)19:20:29 No.1429448
shut the fuck up you fucking lying piece of shit
I hate HG but you have to remember (and trust me this matters) these were toy commericals. the VF-1 was shopped as a toy right, so
Finally, we come to the Transformer with the strangest history of all. A robot capable of transforming into a fighter jet, he was much larger and more intricately designed than his Decepticon rival, Starscream. Fans of Japanese anime would have immediately spotted why Jetfire looked so different from the other Transformers: he originally appeared as a Super Valkyrie Fighter in the series Super Dimensional Fortress Macross, which first aired in 1982.
Designed by Shoji Kawamori, the Super Valkyrie was one of the most iconic mecha creations of the 1980s, and it's little surprise that the company Takatoku rushed a transforming toy based on it as the series took off. Hasbro clearly recognised how popular the Valkyrie design would be in the west, so they purchased the design from Takatoku, renamed the robot Jetfire, and added it to the Transformers family, alongside a number of other designs from the company, such as the Deluxe Insecticons.
The issue is you can't call the transformer guys thives if it was never Kawamori's design at first. Every G1 fan knows this. Its why he got redesigned, because turns out Macross got big. If Macross had fizzled (and ironically enough Kawamori designed the diaclone toys that were rolled into Transformers).
tl;dr you fail to acknowledge the JAPANESE gladly selling the toy design for american $$$$$$ and then realizing "hey wait a second." Its why Macross itself is a clusterfuck for similar reasons.
>>14294544
I mean this is one thing you can parallel with Macross, the ownership is a mess because the toy rights were shopped out first before Bandai ate Takatoku (after Takatoku went out of business) since Macross regained popularity (as we all know it was first canceled, hens the apparent ending at 2X before it was renewed and canceled AGAIN hens the rather abrupt Earth ending.
SDF is a gigantic clusterfuck and I would love to see a good article on how many levels both script and economics wise it was(and is) a clusterfuck of who owns what. Gundam is similar in that Clover first had the rights to the toys so there are super rare Clover Gundam models before Bandai took the rights for that.
>>14294353
Calm down, man.
Since you don't seem to know, the whole legal issue between Studio Nue, Big West, and Harmony Gold has been a matter of almost daily discussion on /m/ for a decade now. We actually *do* know, because of a decade of discussion and people citing sources, what the deal is.
In short:
Big West sold Macross rights to Harmony Gold.
Harmony Gold thought this meant full rights and they could make new material with the characters/designs.
Nue and Big West get into a legal skirmish and japanese court rules that the IP rights were not Big West's to sell, only the distribution rights to the already-existing series. Elements of the Robotech show that are exclusive to the Robotech version, like the names "Rick Hunter", "Lisa Hayes", "Max 'Sterling" and so on could be used in new animated material by Harmony Gold, but not the character or mech designs. That's why Vrlitwhai/Breetai is wearing that stupid bucket on his head in Sentinels, Rick and Lisa's hair is different, and everyone's wearing voltron jumpsuits instead of RDF/UNSPACY uniforms. That's why Admiral Hunter was the only Macross character to show up in Shadow Chronicles and looked nothing like you remember. That's why no VF or Zentradi ships were seen in Shadow Chronicles. Harmony Gold can only produce new animated content with the characters/designs from Southern Cross and M.O.S.P.E.A.D.A (which they own outright) but not Macross (which they only licensed). Comic books and video games, however, are considered "merchandise" by japanese law so HG can make those as well as that tabletop miniatures game, just not new animated content.
Completely separate of this issue, there is also the fact that Studio Nue never bothered trademarking the "Macross" name or the UN Spacy logo anywhere but in Japan, so Harmony Gold went and trademarked those things in the US, and international law means those trademarks apply in a bunch of other countries, which is why they could C&D vendors for non-SDFM toys.
>>14294557
I can point to the Battletech situation with the Unseen (they have all been retconned with original art) mechs based on what they thought was the legal rights for just the images (no show content, just mech pictures for their games). They thought they were doing the right thing, years later they find out they weren't able to use the designs and settled to not use them. I have a nasty nasty feeling 1980s Japanese export/copyright law was a "Money? Sure Take it, its not like anyone cares" situation.
>>14294574
Ah yeah, I was talking about the Transformers bits which are another slice of the clusterfuck. Calling them theft/raw rippoffs is a dramatic oversimpliciation because of how toy shows were done.
(I like transfomers and this is my little bit of connecting 2 things I like, and trust me, I have no love for HG. I just feel people calling Jetfire "theft" is.. its not even right at all!
>>14294376
And that's IF the movie will get made. Remember that Sony released a list of movies they are producing from 2016 to 2020 and Robotech is not in that list, which means its not in their priority.
>>14290940
There's a reason why you cannot mod hardware.
>>14294584
Oh, that.
Sorry, i didn't read very far back in the reply chain.
Yeah, Hasbro did legally license the VF-1 design for Skyfire/Jetfire. Nue got a percentage and everyone was happy about it until that G.I.Joe skystriker/skyfire toy thing happened, which wasn't even about the toy but about an image of the original VF-1 design that was included in the packaging and that Hasbro forgot to cut Kawamori a check for using that piece of artwork.
>>14294574
You got it all wrong. First off, Studio Nue was the studio who made the concept of Macross, and Big West was their financier. It was BW who brought in Tatsunoko to help with the production of SDFM. As a reward for their help, Tats got the international distribution and merchandising rights to SDFM. It was Tats who sublicense their rights to HG. When HG started claiming that they own all rights to Macross internationally, BW sued Tats to clear things. The Court confirmed that Tats has the Distribution and Merch rights to SDFM only. BW, who inherited the rights after Nue dissolved in 1989, owns the copyright of Macross and its sequels.
>>14293029
Symphogear and Idolmaster's songs are categorised as merchandise because they're kyarason done by the seiyuu. Macross uses actual singers under JASRAC's jurisdiction so JASRAC has to be paid.
>>14295060
JASRAC is the also reason why the "premium sound edition" games cost more
What if HG and Saban teamed up?
>>14295064
Did the Special Vocal Edition of ACE2/3 even have vocalized songs for Macross? I just thought they had a better edit of Dog Fighter
>>14295089
Didn't 2 have DYRL?
>>1428159
Are they complaining about Macross Delta not crediting them?
>>14292468
Or maybe it's because you're wrong, have been proven wrong at every turn, but refuse to admit it. After all, it's always easier to blame others instead of admitting one's mistake, hubris and pride and whatnot.
>>14292475
>call others stupid millenials
>ignorant enough to think that america = the entire west
>also ignorant enough to think that murrica is the only industry that matters while the frogs have been consuming anime far longer
But sure, keep reporting the same shit over and over again, while you keep getting proven wrong time and time again. After all, we're not the ones retarded and insane enough to defend a dead and irrelevant franchise.
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For a few moments, I would turn into Dale Gribble and start yelling at the top of my lungs.
And then I'd forget about it.
:^)
