https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a4q7733WYI
It's here.
>>14287817
>english
can anyone watch this shit without barfing?
Wait, was that Peter Cullen, or someone else?
Too bad the show isn't half as good as that promo.
>>14287880
I doesn't sound like him.
>complete lack of Kudelia "She's Amazing" Bernstein
This promo is a lie.
>>14287817
I keep hearing Lelouch
>>14287895
That doesn't start happening until like episode 10, anyways.
>>14287896
Edgy rebel with a cocky attitude voiced by JYB? Of course you're gonna hear him. Lelouch was just that memorable.
The bgm sounded very familiar. Like the old Wing PV way back then.
I've already watched it but I guess I can watch it again.
God damn, they went all in trying to remind people of the old Wing promo, didn't they?
>>14287877
Yeah people who aren't autistic about their Cambodian cave paintings.
It does sound like crap though, but I expect no less from ayy bee ohh
>>14287895
It's in the other one.
Also, are they actually gonna leave the guns uncensored? No more laser pistols?
>>14287943
It's TV-14, so I'm positive they'll leave the guns alone.
inb4 people think this is a sequel to Wing
>>14287970
Then those are idiots who did not watch the show.
>>14287973
Sounds like the average person who watches Toonami and nostalgia fags over wing then.
Voice actors are a bad match in my opinion. its better in Japanese anyway.
>>14287943
Since when was Adult Swim ever an early-90s Saturday morning cartoon segment?
>>14287943
Did you miss the end of trailer with Mika double tapping that guy?
NO MORE OF THIS SHIT THANK FUCK
>>14287817
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1CxJVWHE_o
Longer dub preview. Kudelia, Fumitan, etc in this one.
>>14287895
IBO in a nutshell. It tried to present itself as a gritty underdog story leading into it, but ended up being pretty much the opposite. I'm sure the people who haven't already watched it are going to love all the generic anime kids and excessive exposition.
>>14288032
>meeka-zooky
oh lord
tbf that's how they said it a lot in the original, me-KA-zoo-key
>>14288110
If you are pronouncing any other way you are wrong.
>>14287817
EDGY.
>>14288179
O FUG MIGAZUGI XDDDDDD
>>14287817
It's too bad it all goes to shit after they leave Mars.
>>14288401
DEGGADAN :DDDDD
>mankind has reached the stars, but the galaxy is troubled
Literally just hanging in the Earth Sphere, that's a long shot away from the "galaxy".
>those who oppose them fight
No shit?
>Orga's voice
Poorly chosen. Actually makes the execution look really retarded too, since he's not intimidating or "cool".
If any good memes sprout from this, alert me, but it looks like there's no reason to watch this. Especially if you're looking for any further entertainment out of the series.
Orga's voice is terrible, it does not match the character at all. The rest is ok.
Also gotta love how this trailer gives a complete wrong idea about what IBO is supposed to be about. Like, there's no mention to mercenary work, they make Tekkadan look like freedom fighters.
>>14288020
Good ol' laser pistols.
>>14288161
This guy gets it
>>14288521
>mankind has reached the stars, but the galaxy is troubled
For a sec I thought some one is playing Gundam Wing Promo Audio.
>>14287973
>>14287970
But it is a sequel to Wing. After Colony must've been at least one of the predecessor eras, maybe with AGE coming between it and IBO in the Black History.
>>14287817
Apart from climax ,what is even left to show?
They have shown all the watchable bits in the trailer.
>>14288678
They used the music so its good that you thought that
>>14287817
BARBIE TOAST
>>14288032
>infodumping in the promo
SASUGA OKADA
>>14287817
To be honest a dub is the absolute worst way that you could watch this show. Imagine how much more noticeable the piss poor animation is going to be now that you're no longer distracted by subs
>>14287817
Mika shooting that tied-up guy in the head is pretty fucking edgy in hindsight.
>>14287817
>MIKKKA
Oh God.
Why can't you Amerifats into Chinese cartoons dubbing? You have such great actors and voices for regular TV Shows that the way you manage to fuck up every anime dub is outstanding.
>>14288712
But subs aren't distracting.
>>14288712
>longer distracted by subs
Not everyone has the reading ability of a pre-schooler, Anon. If subs distract you to the point of missing visual animation, you seriously need to train your reading a lot more.
>their only hope for independence is a medical enhanced child soldier
Wait, wasn't Kudelia their hope?
>>14288725
shhh, we're trying to keep how 'amazing' she is as a surprise
>>14288725
And Mika is the only way to get her to Earth. But Mikazuki is the GUNDAM PILOT so he's the protagonist. Who cares if he gets zero development and is often matched by multiple other characters in screen time? The promos don't have to tell you shit except ACTION WITH GUNDAMS. Which the show fails at miserably.
>>14288719
>to the point of missing visual animation
wait did IBO even have that in the first place?
>>14288687
I've always taken the Black History concept in a less literal way.
It's not that all Gundam eras happened one after the other, it's that all Gundam universes eventually lead into Correct Century. Like every different universe is a detour that will eventually be corrected into a common route to a common future.
That, or some crazy shit happens down the road that literally mashes everything togheter.
There's no feasible way the UC and all AUs happen one after the other, as even with millenia between them and a civilization reset the Earth and space alike would not be without vestiges of previous space eras.
>>14288734
>not appreciating every single one of the 60 frames per episode
Shamefur, those Koreans worked moderately hard to freehand those drawings and you repay them by missing them? Pay attention next time.
>Show scenes from only the first like three episodes, when the show was actually good
>No Kudelia or Atra or really anything outside the core cast at all
>No space scenes
>Basically nothing outside of the part of the show when it seemed like it was going to be about hardcore rebels fighting against invaders
This is gonna get people good
>>14288725
Shhh anon. Shhh
They aren't ready for the SUGOI yet
>>14288748
That's called marketing.
The Japanese campaing was exactly the same thing,
>>14288737
Hah! In my headcanon, all AUs are just misinterpreted retellings of UC.
I wish Harmony Gold picked up this. They would merge it with MD Geist + Victory and delete all the scenes about MUH FAMILY and Kudelia.
>>14288750
>The Japanese campaing was exactly the same thing,
AND LOOK AT HOW /m/ GOT MAD!
>>14288756
>/m/
>relevant at all
>>14288756
I bet you the wider audiences will like it. It's edgy as fuck, it has pointless ship teasing that leads nowhere, and most casual watchers can't tell apart good and bad animation.
>>14288750
But that was because the rest of the show wasn't actually animated yet, sempai.
>>14288751
Kawamori pls.
>>14288766
It still isn't.
But seriously marketing campaings highlight a show's beginning premise and selling point, not the stuff that will happen as it goes on.
>>14288763
>It's edgy as fuck
Three times in 26 episodes. The whole anime is about a bunch of kids trying to play family.
I seriously don't understand how anyone would be happy with the anime after the PV made it look like something completely different.
>>14288770
I don't understand it either. Try asking MAL or ANN.
>>14288687
>he thinks every gundam series is in the same timeline
>>14288712
i still like this more than the cgi crap at least they aren't that lazy yet.
>>14288821
>at least they aren't that lazy yet.
Origin.
Also, Gundam hasn't had consistently non-shit 2D animation since 00. GBF was pretty okay for the most part but that's like the only TV series to be so in almost 8 years. And even if we put 00 aside, SEED looked like garbage when it came to mech fights
>Defending IBO's animation
Please no. It was just embarrassing past the first couple of episodes
Like IBO itself
>it's a "/m/ pretends to hate IBO for other reasons than not having enough robots in it" episode
>>14288827
Greco
Coincidentally it had the same animation director as 00 Unicorn and Thunderbolt
>>14288837
Personally, as it is a Gundam series, I think that is a very valid reason to dislike something.
Other reason that it had a strong first couple of episodes and then became a long-form escort mission with bland characters
>>14288827
ye and that's what i mean i'm just more used to the shitty animation than to the cgi one.
>>14288725
>>their only hope for independence is a medical enhanced child soldier
They really think it's sequel to Gundam Wing.
I mean , just look at this-
>Calamity war has ended
300 years ago, but trailer make it seem like as if it happened just a few decades ago at most.
I wonder how audience will react when it turns out Mika considers himself just a profrssional soldier whose goal is to settle down and start his farm.
>>14288837
>G-Reco was a masterpiece you just don't get it
>>14288837
/m/ hated the show for plenty of reasons and it's not a new sentiment. Did you not read the generals as the episodes were airing?
>>14288866
>Oh what's that? You don't think it's the greatest thing since Zeta?
> Don't ever watch mecha again .
>>14288731
>Mika
>Protagonist
What show did you watch?
>>14287817
IN A WORLD...
Also mcgillis's voice is awful. I can't imagine how comical the scenes will be when hes wearing that mask
GALLERHORN?
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THOSE MORBLE SUITS?
Why whenever someone criticizes IBO the thread devolves into shitposting about G-Reco?
>>14288882
>Stick to [some other mecha series airing] faggot
>>14287817
I know it's policy to repeat things as they're said, and for this to happen the Japanese broadcast's own pronunciation of the term would have had to have been different from the start, but would it kill people to pronounce it as Yahl-lahr-hawrn?
>>14288110
How the fuck else could it be pronounced? Mikazki?
>>14288931
Mi-ka-zu-ki
It's the difference between Sa-kura and Sa-KUH-ra
>>14288911
fuck off grectal
>>14288937
Honestly the Japanese one fluctuated with each character saying his name a different way
>>14289089
Some said Mi-Ka-Zu-Ki while some said Mik-Ahz-Uki
>>14288748
> TFW IBO should have been Ace Combat Zero.
Honestly, I don't see it winning over new fans on Toonami. It's not what it promised people and not terribly exciting either. If people had an interest in IBO, they've probably already watched it. And there's a bunch of viewers outside of /m/ who have problems with the show.
>>14289160
>And there's a bunch of viewers outside of /m/ who have problems with the show
but thats wrong you retard
>>14289160
What? I thought /m/ was the only place that disliked it? I recall hearing that all the other anime websites gave it raze reviews and it's loved by everyone,
>>14289160
It be pretty cool if you could point out some of these places.
As of right now /m/ is the only safe haven I found.
>>14289173
Review sites also did the same for SEED and Destiny, and we all saw how that turned out. Ditto Aldnoah Zero.
Trust me, at the very least people will concede the various flaws of the show and how poorly executed the writing is.
>>14287817
i probably watched it because i'm too lazy to read subs nowadays
>>14287817
> Use the Wing promo music
> Use the Wing promo script for the most part
They really are aiming for the nostalgia aren't they?
For reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVcCB4fze94
>bar-buhtose
>bar-BUHtose
Why
Whyyy
>>14289160
>G-rekt sperglord thinks people outside of /m/ think like him
laughingbitches.jpg
>>14289203
because that's its name
>>14289201
It seems so
>>14287817
>>14289201
"but the galaxy is troubled"
... god damn it.
>>14289173
>>14289181
Even on MAL I've seen people talk their disliked how IBO turned out and the overall low production values. They're not the majority but it's not like IBO is receiving the unanimous praise /m/ seems to think it is.
And even on a fucking facebook group, literally the lowest point you can go for casual opinions on anime, I've seen a good amount of people (more than on MAL) voicing their dislike of how IBO ended up doing nothing new, being boring and having shallow characters.
They hate G-Reco too so this forced fight between fans of the two shows /m/ keeps going on and on about doesn't play a part.
>>14288032
FOOMYTANN
>>14287817
>>14289201
Literally Wing 2.0
>>14289240
two Os do make a U
>>14289201
They really should've just gotten Build Fighters instead. It actually has Wing Gundam as one of the main mecha and is genuinely exciting to watch.
>>14289257
Yeah, if they're going solely for nostalgia, which the trailer seems to imply, BF would a be safer bet.
>>14289257
The target audience for the dub aren't people who'd like Build Fighters, or at the very least they'd watch it ironically.
The target audience wants to feel mature and smart so they'll praise a show like IBO for its gritty storytelling. Even though the grit completely evaporates after 3 episodes.
>>14289262
The funniest part is that while people want to think of the block as bloody/edgy for running SnK, Black Lagoon, Hellsing, Parasyte or the like, the block is going to go thusly:
> 11:30p: Dragon Ball Z Kai
> 12:00a: Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans
> 12:30a: Hunter x Hunter
> 1:00a: Samurai Champloo
> 1:30a: Naruto: Shippuden
> 2:00a: One Piece
> 2:30a: Parasyte the Maxim
That's a looot of shounen.
How long until Ange comes to save Toonami?
They didn't grant such an obscure title a dub for no reason
>>14289298
SnK is shounenshit
>>14289313
It is, but people see inside-out giants and people getting eaten and call it mature somehow.
>>14289308
>Cross Ange
>>14289298
What >>14289313 said. SnK is Shonen, Might be edgy shonen but it's still shonen shit.
>>14289160
Being on /m/ kind of puts you in a bubble. Outside of here, lots of the shows that are agreed to be bad are beloved, and stuff that's loved here like Votoms and Dougram are basically unheard of elsewhere.
>>14289201
>Those who oppose... die!
But that is not going to work for IBO!
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/toonami/friday-may-20th-2016/
> In this episode of Pre-Flight, Jason and Gill review Toonami’s newest show, Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans, and discuss their favorite mobile suits. Then, check out a promo for the upcoming Samurai Champloo Marathon, and a new Mobile on the Move segment where Dana is actually not "on the move."
This whole thing is just a slow moving trainwreck and I can't stop laughing.
>>14289243
>Implying that's a negative as far as airing an anime on American television is concerned.
>>14289240
POO-MY-TAN
>>14289341
So american anime audience is still stuck in the late 90s?
That sounds about right.
>>14288788
>he thinks he gets a vote in Sunrise's official stance on the subject
>>14288837
>Shit animation
>Exposition everywhere
>Pointless "put side characters in the spotlight" episodes
>Bad dialogue
>Hilariously bad character design.
>Bad fighting choreography
I'm all for a mecha show giving more time to develop setting and characters, but IBO did it wrong in every way.
>>14288032
>So this is what JUST WILD BEAT mean!
>>14289201
Now everything is complete.
>It's the I hate dubs because their speaking my native language and it's not the perfect voices in my head to match the characters because I'm a massive fucking weeb who can only listen to superior nippo yellow cold steel japanaimation sowrds
>>14289524
>because their speaking my native language
>their speaking
Sure as hell it is not your native language.
>>14289321
Yes, but those people are usually in middle school and think the only way to be "mature" is to be chock-full of tits and gore.
>>14289524
>my native language
Not everyone here is american.
That said this dub seems alright. A few voices don't match but that's it. The fact people are being nitpicky about name pronunciations is indicative there's not much to complain about it yet.
>>14289561
Which basically describes the other shows mentioned.
>>14289579
Well yeah, the type of manchild who goes on to make anime and manga is usually stuck in their middle-school mindset.
>>14289459
>>Shit animation
>>Exposition everywhere
>>Pointless "put side characters in the spotlight" episodes
>>Bad dialogue
>>Hilariously bad character design.
>>Bad fighting choreography
We're talking about IBO here, no G-Reco.
>>14288005
He's probably thinking of daytime/Saturday night early-00s Toonami, or Miguzi by extension.
I think Andy Waltfeld had a gun lined with neon so it wouldn't come off as one that shoots bullets.
I remember watching an episode of Zatch Bell where the idol singer character was getting kidnapped, and the kidnappers all had lime-green assault rifles.
>>14289591
>G-Reco
>Shit animation
Have you even fucking watched it? Good animation is arguably one of the few things it has going for it.
Also there's no side character spotlight episodes, not on the same vein as IBO at least.
>>14287817
They make this look like such a dark, gritty, action packed show when that couldn't be further from the truth. You can tell they really want to sell it to the american audience but how are they going to damage control it when there are hardly any battles and half the time is spent on Kudelia sugoing.
>>14289630
It had pretty bad animation and even worst artwork.
ITT: buttmad grecofags
>>14289633
Yeah, because IBO was such a beautifully animated show.
>>14287895
Waiting for this to happen...
>>14289633
>>14289636
>>14289591
>>14289524
Welp, it's started.
>>14289645
>>14289171
>>14289173
>>14289181
MAL and animesuki had naysayers. And also very defensive fans who genuinely believe the show had amazing animation and will get angry should anyone not praise it, or call out any writing issues.
>>14289201
Too much Wing reference tho
>>14289639
Better than Greco but that's not a high bar to reach.
>>14289662
>Better than Greco
No it was not. I'm convinced you either didn't watch it or is just shitposting now.
G-Reco had the best and most consistent animation on a Gundam TV anime since 00, while IBO was really inconsistent in general and even it's best didn't match G-Reco's best.
I did not like either of those series but on that aspect I have to give props to G-Reco.
>>14289677
G-Reco was only consistent at being complete dogshit, watching the vast majority of its animation running at 8 FPS.
I know the old man learned to shoot on 3s to save money with real cels back in the day, but he can't adapt to the modern world and his choices look like shit in a modern show.
>>14287817
>including execution scene at the end
yep, this is for american market
>>14289201
>"What?"
Every fucking time.
How the hell did they pick up that shitty voice?
>>14289644
Can’t wait for this to happen again but this time in English, Kudelia truly is amazing
>>14288020
Wouldn't laser pistols make sense more than guns with bullets when nearly all of the weapons are laser/beam-based? It's dumb censorship, but think about it.
>>14290161
FUCKING
AMAZING
>>14289805
YOU'RE SAYING
REDUCE THE FORCES?
>>14290187
Not in most Gundam settings case, because plasma and particle beam weapons, in the occasions that had their workings more detailed in show or side materials, have complex workings and require a high quantity of energy, making it difficult to miniaturize.
Laser isn't weaponized very often in Gundam.
>>14290161
>Who the fuck is this blonde bitch and why won't she shut up?
>Where's muh robot fights?
>IS THE BLONDE BITCH STILL THERE?
I acutally like Kudelia.
Yes yes I fully understand how her character was poorly handled, got nowhere and is at centerstage of some of the most glaring of IBO's writing problems.
I still for some reason I can't grasp I really like her, from design to voice to overall demeanor, and enjoyed most scenes she was in. I guess she was just tooSUGOIfor me to handle.
>>14287817
Johnny Young Bosch really shouldn't be playing Orga. I just hear Lelouch. IBO will probably be more entertaining though.
>>14290288
I like the idea of Kudelia. A young, rich tumblrite who wants to help people without really understanding how they work. Slowly through engaging with the poor she learns from them. It's a shame we had a good setup but no payoff.
>>14289655
I've seen people calling out communities for shouting down any criticism of the show, and it's most vocal supporters are the guys no one wants to associate with.
So, is /m/ gonna watch it together?
>>14290916
You couldn't pay me to watch this shit dropped it at episode eight and not gonna pick it back up just because it's in English now.
>The this is the first dubbed TV gundam in nearly 10 years
Feels shitty.
>>14290916
I'm a open minded fag so I'll give it another shot.
Maybe if I look at it with different eyes something good will come of it.
>>14287817
Slept threw this series before, I don't imagine English is going to change the ZzZz of the space arc and how it drags on. Or that flawless victory at the end. Only thing I noticed is they changed up that line about being "play things" which every shotafag took to meaning "sex toy".
>>14289201
its like poetry, it rhymes
>>14290916
will just hop over to /co/'s thread
>>14288688
They didn't show the best part, "What are we going to do in the snow?" pomf=3
>>14288916
That would be the case if it didn't begin with a G. It should actually be Gyah-lahr-horn. That's of course without all of the accent marks and punctuation that would normally set the emphasis
>>14291118
Christ, did he just turn that guy into goo
>>14291451
Yep. The Orphans don't mess around. Have another webm of them interrupting some enemies posing after entering the battlefield.
>>14287877
Yes because not everyone insist on being a weeb like you.
>>14287817
God I love Toonami promos.
Optimus Prime was a better voiceover, though.
>>14291567
Peter Cullen just plain makes everything better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfadJj4d5K4
>>14289231
I've seen Ibo-fans complain about people in the ANN forums bad mouthing about the show,and from the sound of it it was pretty common.
>>14291630
To be fair ANN shits on everything Gundam.
Especially since Fukuda blamed Sunrise and Gundam for Cross Ange not being a major hit like he wanted.
>>14291118
Lol look at that QUALITY and they're going to show this to gaijins?
>>14289257
Can't air it in the US, advertising laws.
>>14291761
Cite your sources m8, I think you've been misinformed.
Look at it this way
Kudelia is 100x better than Merlina
>>14291648
What? Damn, Fukuda somehow manages to prove himself an even bigger retard than I already thought he was.
>>14291761
If so they wouldn't be able to air Yu-Gi-Oh either, as magic powers aside the cards are identical to the products they sell.
I feel like most people who shitpost about IBO stopped watching before they hit earth where it got noticeably better.
But noo IBO killed their mother and sodomized their father with a graze built by snapfitfaggot.
>>14292430
That's probably true for both IBO and G-Reco.
Most really loud shitposting about these series focus only on their beginnings and things they learn thorugh memes.
>>14292430
>graze built by snapfitfaggot
My fucking sides.
>>14288536
>Also gotta love how this trailer gives a complete wrong idea about what IBO is supposed to be about
Well if they were honest about it being a bunch of kids stuck in a spaceship doing fucking nothing for half the series no one would watch it.
>>14292430
In fairness, considering over half the show is literally WOW, IT'S FUCKING NOTHING with giant robots, it's not hard to be better than that.
>>14288837
Even if it were filled to the brim with robots I'd still hate it because the fight scenes were nothing but incomprehensible shaky cam trying to hide hardly anything being animated.
>>14291761
I haven't seen BF but I highly doubt it could be any worse than this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQYwFND7rHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfHuZ5qrYX4
>>14292430
They land on earth by like episode 20 so no shit most people are gonna drop it by then.
>>14292610
That's not what I meant. You obviously omit negative aspects from your product when advertising.
I meant they completely ignored the "group of mercenaries" aspect and tried to pass them off as revolutionaries fighting for martian independence.
>>14292663
It was a joke, I wasn't really trying to agree or disagree with you.
>>14290161
>>14291465
Less that Tekkadan doesn't mess around and more that shitty Haman is just shitty.
>>14287817
They literally copied the Wing trailer. If they have the money to make a sequel to FLCL which will probably get no merchandise, they should have tried to back a Wing sequel.
>>14292430
>I feel like most people who shitpost about IBO stopped watching before they hit earth where it got noticeably better.
>noticeably
>>14292352
Yeah. At a fan meet n greet, Fukuda told people that Cross Ange was successful enough to make a second series. Ignoring that it's sales were kinda average and most people dropped it after the first volume with Nana tickets, good ol' Mitsuo then said that Sunrise wasn't interested. That they were more focused on a existing franchise, which ANN fans took to mean more Gundam. He then told people to keep buying the merchandise to let Sunrise know they want more Ange.
IBO was announced shortly thereafter.
>>14291766
>>14292361
The FCC has rules in place against airing stuff they call program-length commercials targeted at kids. Unless they edit all the Gunpla boxes Build Fighters would get that from the first episode, and the stations that air the show would be fined.
>>14292779
Would it still be considered targeted at kids if they air it on an adult program block in the middle of the night?
>>14292779
>He then told people to keep buying the merchandise to let Sunrise know they want more Ange.
And the Vita Game bombed.
>>14292703
The difference is that the people at Williams Street had been pegging for a FLCL sequel for years but Gainax said no because why the fuck would you make a sequel to something they just made for fun? After IG bought the rights they came with the prospect again and it was approved. As far as anyone is concerned nobody cares enough about Wing to the same extend as FLCL to want to produce a sequel.
>>14292779
How do other toyetic series avoid this? The aforementioned Yugioh just doesn't have boosters, but the cards are identical to the actual product. And you can buy cards individually if you really want to, so it is showing the product.
Is it just a matter of having an actual box displayed?
>>14292863
Yugioh rarely has boosters in the show. The cards are also different looking in the show, especially the backs.
>>14292863
there's no actual evidence of this
there's no law to cite
and the FCC doesn't handle cable
>>14292863
1) Yugioh still edits the cards so they aren't accurate to the real world version. How could you play without knowing the effects of the cards?
2) Showing advertising is the bigger no-no. LBX edited the boxes in it's show, and that seems to have been enough. However, they also edited the show to half the length of the original series, so there was more footage to spread around.
>>14292782
I kinda doubt it. The Gunpla would still be in the toy section, and the content of the show itself doesn't gear it towards mature audiences. The Safe Harbor rules in the US are more about violent/sexual content, and it's not like there aren't networks that air kids shows 24/7.
>>14292877
Children's Television Act.
> The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent agency of the United States government, created by Congressional statute (see 47 U.S.C. § 151 and 47 U.S.C. § 154) to regulate interstate communications by radio, television, wire, satellite, and cable in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories.
There is plenty of evidence about them suing stations for program length commercials, even over minor shit.
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/news-articles/fcc-says-cws-xiaolin-episode-was-program-length-ad/82631
>>14292854
FLCL isn't something people have been pining for a sequel. Maybe just the folks at Williams Street but I rarely see anyone even mention the show anymore. It aired in the US over 10 years ago and they rarely replay it. Sunrise is trying to get Gundam a foothold in the US again. Wing was one of the most successful anime in the west. It would make more sense to do something with it than FLCL from a business prospect. FLCL doesn't even have merchandise like that so what are the people at Williams Street getting out of this? Toonami doesn't pull major ratings so they can't be making tons of money off that. It seems more like a dream thing than something with any common sense behind it.
Even the trailer for IBO sucked off Wing. When people watch it and see that it isn't anything like Wing they'll be put off by it. I think the trailer hurts the show way more than it helps it.
>>14292896
>and they rarely replay it.
What? FLCL has been reaired on adult swim so many goddamn times that the only show that's eclipsed it is Bebop, its a stable of the lineup and inspired a plethora of people that are currently in the animation field. Wing on the other hand has not aired on CN in fucking years roughly 15 years if you exclude the April Fools joke in 2012 and pretty much no one other than hardcore Gundam fags care about it anymore and even amongst them the general conscious is that it wasn't good. Also if Banrise care about merchandise they sure as fuck will not bother pushing it in the US since it'll be a fraction of what it'll make in Japan since Wing is still being pushed over there to this day. Bottomline we're getting a sequel to FLCL because the people at WS loved it, we're not getting a Wing sequel because nobody of the same status has come up to Banrise with the opportunity.
>>14292896
>FLCL isn't something people have been pining for a sequel.
Nobody wanted a Big O sequel either yet it was funded because the founder of Adult Swim loved the show, hell even the creator had no plans for a sequel.
>>14292930
When was the last time FLCL was reaired? How about before that? Wing being good or not has nothing to do with how much money it can potentially make or how popular it is. FLCL is niche. Wing is apart of one of the largest franchises ever. If no one cared about Wing they wouldn't have made that trailer a near word for word remake of it. They are trying to garner interest by playing off of something popular. Bandai wants to push more merchandise in the US. It's why we are getting all those DVD/Bluray sets. It's why kits show up in Barnes and Noble. It's why we are getting manga and novels. I don't understand the prospect of an FLCL sequel.
>>14292934
Which is why I figure FLCL is getting a sequel. It doesn't make sense for the company to make it since it'll provide no revenue. It seems more like a fan project.
>>14292945
>When was the last time FLCL was reaired?
In 2014 and again in 2012. The last time Wing had a complete run on CN was way back in 2001.
>Wing being good or not has nothing to do with how much money it can potentially make or how popular it is.
We really don't know how much money it'll make now then it did back then, Wing was a hit because it came out during the anime boom of the late 90's and early 00's it's not really remembered anything more than a relic of nostalgia and it doesn't help that Banrise has not done anything with it including releasing the new manga and novels to the US to build up hype like what they did with The Origin.
>FLCL is niche.
All anime outside Dragonball and Naruto are niche as fuck but FLCL is well -known and popular enough that Funimation snatch the license to release the BDs in the US over the Gundam catalog when Banrise was offering it to them.
>Wing is apart of one of the largest franchises ever.
In Asia. In the US nobody cares about Gundam
>If no one cared about Wing they wouldn't have made that trailer a near word for word remake of it.
...it was a fucking nod only retarded autists would get, had more to do with the legacy of the franchise that it had on the block then anything really.
>They are trying to garner interest by playing off of something popular.
That is something AS did as a nod, doesn't mean much of anything and the reference is minuscule enough that it has no bearing on supporting IBO. If they were really using Wing's popularity to hype it they would have used FROM THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU GUNDAM WING not a light reference on the first promo.
And they don't need Toonami for it as stated above if they gave much of a shit about reviving Wing they would have offered Glory of The Losers and Frozen Teardrop for licenses. The only way you can possibly measure whether Wing is still a profitable property in the US is to wait for the BDs to come out.
>>14292945
Because its not about merchandise, they just love FLCL and I can guarantee you that FLCL has done better than all of Gundam has done in the West
>>14292980
>In 2014 and again in 2012. The last time Wing had a complete run on CN was way back in 2001.
Because Gundam died in the US. Not due to Wing.
>We really don't know how much money it'll make now then it did back then, Wing was a hit because it came out during the anime boom of the late 90's and early 00's it's not really remembered anything more than a relic of nostalgia and it doesn't help that Banrise has not done anything with it including releasing the new manga and novels to the US to build up hype like what they did with The Origin.
Any money is more than a franchise with no merchandise outside of discs.
>All anime outside Dragonball and Naruto are niche as fuck but FLCL is well -known and popular enough that Funimation snatch the license to release the BDs in the US over the Gundam catalog when Banrise was offering it to them.
Completely wrong. Sailor Moon, Gundam Wing, Yugioh and Pokemon are all mainstream. FLCL is incredibly niche.
>In Asia. In the US nobody cares about Gundam
Which is why the US is getting more products than ever these days.
>...it was a fucking nod only retarded autists would get, had more to do with the legacy of the franchise that it had on the block then anything really.
It wasn't a nod. A nod is one or two references. They literally copied the Wing promo dialog, music and tone. It was meant to stir up Wing nostalgia.
>>14292981
Bullshit. Gundam was all over store shelves in the early 00's. Wing had video games and multiple series airing on TV. FLCL doesn't have anything. In what way could it have done better than all of Gundam in the west?
>>14290288
She's a blonde with huge tits and is really dumb. She is clearly designed to bait waifufags and so people aren't uncomfortable with the savage fest.
>>14288020
I don't get it. Did the Canadian airing of Seed have the laser guns? I don't remember ever seeing them.
>>14292995
>Completely wrong. Sailor Moon, Gundam Wing, Yugioh and Pokemon are all mainstream.
I agree Gundam Wing is not as niche as FLCL, but it definitely does not belong in the same group as Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Yugioh and Dragon Ball. You are underestimating how huge those were.
>>14292995
>Because Gundam died in the US. Not due to Wing.
Wing IS Gundam dumbfuck. So you're saying is that Wing isn't special and that they couldn't reair Wing all this time despite it being so popular like you claim? Would you listen to yourself? And its not even that Gundam died after Wing concluded, it died with Bandai Entertainment in 2011 and took a year and a half hiatus until Banrise could give it another go not by promoting Wing but their new works like GBF and releasing the rest of the catalog on BD/DVD not just Wing.
>Any money is more than a franchise with no merchandise outside of discs.
FLCL has figures and manga and the BDs are frequently on the top selling anime DVD lists alongside Cowboy Bebop with no Wing insight despite sets being readily available through Bandai's Anime Legends line.
>>14292995
>Sailor Moon, Gundam Wing, Yugioh
>mainstream
SM hasn't aired on TV in years and YGO is pretty much dead unless you think airing on Nicktoons TV is a sign of popularity when it used to be on the cover of TV Guide. You're fucking delusional if you believe any Gundam anime is mainstream in the US.
>Which is why the US is getting more products than ever these days.
Not really. Gundam has a shit load of new material not released in the US, the only things we're getting are the same old kits from years back. We'll never go back to the days where model kit shops would sell out of Wing Gunpla within a couple days or that they would grace the halls of Toys R Us.
> A nod is one or two references.
The music and the narration, towards the end were the only nods in fact I don't even think the narration counts since the 0079 promo said the exact same line so its just for Gundam in general. The dialogue is also nothing alike either.
>>14292995
>Gundam was all over store shelves in the early 00's.
Yeah and the toys infamously flopped hard.
>Wing had video games and multiple series airing on TV.
Just the Gundam Battle Assult series which weren''t Wing specific either. And they just aired the movie version of Endless Waltz.
>FLCL doesn't have anything.
It had a figure line, manga series and is celebrated by lots of famous people unlike Wing. There's even fucking references to it in Western cartoons.
>>14293039
Teen Titans also referenced it. FLCL was pretty damn influential when it came out and still is today. Nobody really cares about Wing since noways its all about shitting on it.
>>14293027
>Wing IS Gundam dumbfuck. So you're saying is that Wing isn't special and that they couldn't reair Wing all this time despite it being so popular like you claim? Would you listen to yourself? And its not even that Gundam died after Wing concluded, it died with Bandai Entertainment in 2011 and took a year and a half hiatus until Banrise could give it another go not by promoting Wing but their new works like GBF and releasing the rest of the catalog on BD/DVD not just Wing.
Gundam died after Wing was long gone. 9/11 killed UC and then Seed flopped and had to be moved to the graveyard slot. They aired Wing and DBZ during the Toonami April Fools thing for a reason.
>FLCL has figures and manga
Show me. Show me these material released in the west.
> with no Wing insight despite sets being readily available through Bandai's Anime Legends line.
Wing BD aren't even out in America yet.
>SM hasn't aired on TV in years and YGO is pretty much dead unless you think airing on Nicktoons TV is a sign of popularity when it used to be on the cover of TV Guide. You're fucking delusional if you believe any Gundam anime is mainstream in the US.
Do you know what mainstream is? SM is still one of the most known Anime in the world. It doesn't have to air on TV for that. SM is one of the first anime someone who doesn't watch anime will think of when you mention anime. That's mainstream. FLCL isn't known outside of anime fans. Gundam Wing is still synonymous with Toonami and Gundam in the west. That's mainstream appeal. It's THE giant robot anime people who don't watch anime know about.
>>14293044
People who don't watch anime don't support the western anime market so who gives a shit about what they know about.
>>14293044
>Not really. Gundam has a shit load of new material not released in the US, the only things we're getting are the same old kits from years back. We'll never go back to the days where model kit shops would sell out of Wing Gunpla within a couple days or that they would grace the halls of Toys R Us.
Yes really. You can't argue that Gundam isn't getting more merchandise than ever in America outside of the original push. We are getting more discs and manga than ever with online shops having kits.
>The music and the narration, towards the end were the only nods in fact I don't even think the narration counts since the 0079 promo said the exact same line so its just for Gundam in general. The dialogue is also nothing alike either.
The narration was almost word for word the original Wing promo. Go rewatch both.
>Yeah and the toys infamously flopped hard.
Now explain why.
>Just the Gundam Battle Assult series which weren''t Wing specific either. And they just aired the movie version of Endless Waltz.
They brought over tons of games. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. We got a shitload of UC games like JTJ, ZF, EiS and the American release of BA2 was original. It wasn't the same as the Japanese Battle Master games.
>It had a figure line, manga series and is celebrated by lots of famous people unlike Wing. There's even fucking references to it in Western cartoons.
Gundam Wing gets references in music. Even a garbage rapper like Soulja Boy referenced Gundam Wing. Lupe references it too.
>>14293044
>9/11 killed UC
I love this meme. No what killed UC was airing a then 20 year 25 year old show on a block known for its cutting edge animation. And still all that time in between and they couldn't reair Wing?
> They aired Wing and DBZ during the Toonami April Fools thing for a reason.
...because Gundam Wing was the first Gundam anime to air on the block retard
>Show me. Show me these material released in the west.
Google is your friend. Hell the just re-released the manga in an Omnibus in February.
>Wing BD aren't even out in America yet.
And? The Cowboy Bebop DVDs alongside the FLCL DVDs are still top sellers on Amazon despite being the same ones from years back.
>Do you know what mainstream is?
It means something that airs regularly on TV which SM hasn't for years, by your stupid logic Astro Boy is mainstream.
>FLCL isn't known outside of anime fans.
see
>>14293039
>>14293043
FLCL is known as one of the shows that defined Adult Swim's line up and even people who aren't well versed into anime know about it much like people who don't know shit about anime love TTGL.
>Gundam Wing is still synonymous with Toonami and Gundam in the west.
Which last time I check weren't exceedingly popular or well known to the public just anime fans.
> It's THE giant robot anime people who don't watch anime know about.
That would be Voltron
>>14293072
>It means something that airs regularly on TV
Not that guy, but no this is not what mainstream means. Something mainstream is well known to (and appreciated by) the large majority of the public, it doesn't have anything to do with it being currently airing or not.
Personally I think all this talk about mainstream success is pointless. Anime won't be mainstream anymore, not as a whole like it was in late 90s/Early 2000.
Even in Japan they fully know most anime are geared towards their own niches.
>>14293055
>You can't argue that Gundam isn't getting more merchandise
Because its fucking not you dumbass. We're still missing a lot of merchandise and there's a lot of shit that still hasn't been released here yet. It's "pushed" is mainly because we have more retail options then we do now so we can buy directly from Japan but as far as domestic releases goes we're still far behind.
>The narration was almost word for word the original Wing promo.
Nope, there's a kot of lines that re different and the only ones that are word for word are the last minute one.
>Now explain why.
Largely inflation and Bandai not knowing how to market shit in the US leading to a lot of unsold kits mostly from Wing.
> JTJ, ZF, EiS and the American release of BA2 was original
Those aren't Wing specific games dumbass. You were saying they brought up Wing games when they weren't that many to begin with.
>Already established anime fans making references
Okay?
>>14293083
>Something mainstream is well known to (and appreciated by) the large majority of the public,
So Sailor Moon isn't mainstream.
>>14293072
>I love this meme. No what killed UC was airing a then 20 year 25 year old show on a block known for its cutting edge animation. And still all that time in between and they couldn't reair Wing?
We literally had them say Gundam was too expensive and Toonami has only been around for 2 or so years now.
>...because Gundam Wing was the first Gundam anime to air on the block retard
Why pick Gundam Wing over something else to air alongside DBZ?
>Google is your friend. Hell the just re-released the manga in an Omnibus in February.
You brought it up. So me these toylines.
>And? The Cowboy Bebop DVDs alongside the FLCL DVDs are still top sellers on Amazon despite being the same ones from years back.
Show me
>It means something that airs regularly on TV
No. It means well known.
>see
Who makes cartoons? Animators. That has nothing to do with the fans who we are arguing about.
>FLCL is known as one of the shows that defined Adult Swim's line up and even people who aren't well versed into anime know about it much like people who don't know shit about anime love TTGL.
Bullshit. FLCL didn't define a damn thing. You are overestimating the popularity of this incredibly niche show.
>Which last time I check weren't exceedingly popular or well known to the public just anime fans.
Gundam is a pretty well known name.
>That would be Voltron
Voltron isn't even considered an anime by most. It was retooled and treated as something else entirely. IIRC all the reboots keep flopping.
>>14293086
>Because its fucking not you dumbass. We're still missing a lot of merchandise and there's a lot of shit that still hasn't been released here yet. It's "pushed" is mainly because we have more retail options then we do now so we can buy directly from Japan but as far as domestic releases goes we're still far behind.
It doesn't matter if we are missing merchandise. We're still getting stuff at a pace these days that Gundam hasn't seen in an extremely long time. Gundam is getting merchandise pumped into the US. It doesn't matter how far behind we are. We're still getting stuff.
>Nope, there's a kot of lines that re different and the only ones that are word for word are the last minute one.
The whole beginning of the promo was the same as the Wing promo until the narrator replaced "die" with "rebel" or whatever. Then it went on to talk about what battles were waged with and the only hope. Everyone else in the thread saw the promos except you apparently.
>Largely inflation and Bandai not knowing how to market shit in the US leading to a lot of unsold kits mostly from Wing.
Derringer has literally told us why Gundam died. Get the fuck out. It had nothing to do with Wing. G Gundam selling tons of action figures that shelf warmed like Mermaid Gundam, the whole Zeta and Seed merchandise fiasco and the original series being too old amongst other things.
>Those aren't Wing specific games dumbass. You were saying they brought up Wing games when they weren't that many to begin with.
No one said a thing about Wing games. I said Gundam games as a whole. You can't read for shit.
>>14292891
CW is a BROADCAST NETWORK you idiot. The point was that CN is CABLE, and thus not regulated the way that the FCC handles BROADCAST NETWORKS.
>>14293091
>We literally had them say Gundam was too expensive
They said no such thing. They sat on the rights to the franchise up until 2012 from that period they could have re-aired Wing but didn't.
>Why pick Gundam Wing over something else to air alongside DBZ?
Are you really this retarded? They still had the rights to Wing to air it, that April Fools prank was them going trhough their old library to see what shows they still had rights to air during that time which is why we got something as random as the last Tenchi OVA that night because CN didn't have the rights to the first one anymore.
>Show me
Yeah..that spoonfeeding you. But if you're stupid enough to believe that FLCL has survived thus long with no merchandise you truly are stupid.
>It means well known.
Nope.
>Who makes cartoons? Animators. That has nothing to do with the fans who we are arguing about.
What the hell are you talking about? The fact that FLCL was refernced in two high profile shows proves that it wasn't niche and that its well-known among cartoon lovers or people who grew up with CN. Meanwhile no such refernces of Wing can be found.
>FLCL didn't define a damn thing.
Because you say so right?
>Voltron isn't even considered an anime by most
But it is an anime and is more recognizable within Popular Culture than Gundam that's for sure.
>>14293111
>It doesn't matter if we are missing merchandise.
Actually it does. It puts holes in your entire stance. In fact we got even more merchandise back then when Bandai had huge expectations for the franchise in the US but now they've scaled back those expectations a ton so we aren;t getting everything that is to offer more just things that are readily available and within reach. So if I want Turn A BDs I'm going to have to import them.
>The whole beginning of the promo was the same as the Wing promo until the narrator replaced "die" with "rebel" or whatever. T
Wrong again.
>Then it went on to talk about what battles were waged with and the only hope.
Hilariously enough that's pretty much another line aped from the 0079 promo.
You are reaching pretty damn hard.
>Derringer said...
This is common knowledge amongst anime fans what you just wrote is largely bullshit.
>No one said a thing about Wing games.
see>>14292995
>Wing had video games and multiple series airing on TV.
>and a legendary mobile suit called Gundam
Don't care, this got to me and made me grin.
>>14293193
Considering that post said Wing had multiple series airing it was obvious it meant Gundam.
Uther the Lightbringer is Crank? Well I have to give it a shot.
>>14293089
Are you seriously trying to argue the general public doesn't recognize Sailor Moon?
>>14293212
He's retarded.
>>14293200
That doesn't make any sense since every Gundam anime is self-contained so a Wing series would imply shit within the same universe,
>>14293212
Are you seriously trying to dictate what the general public should recognize? Especially when we have a retard here who thinks Gundam and YGO are mainstream
>>14293166
>They said no such thing. They sat on the rights to the franchise up until 2012 from that period they could have re-aired Wing but didn't.
Toonami wasn't around in 2012 and CN barely touched anime back then. They were trying to avoid it.
>Are you really this retarded? They still had the rights to Wing to air it, that April Fools prank was them going trhough their old library to see what shows they still had rights to air during that time which is why we got something as random as the last Tenchi OVA that night because CN didn't have the rights to the first one anymore.
And they followed up DBZ with Gundam Wing and it trended on Twitter.
>spoonfeeding
K
>Nope.
Literal definition of the word.
>The fact that FLCL was refernced in two high profile shows
High profile? Are you serious? Teen Titans Go isn't high profile. The original sure, but Go?
>Because you say so right?
Because no one knows what the fuck it is.
>But it is an anime and is more recognizable within Popular Culture than Gundam that's for sure.
It flops time and time again.
>Actually it does.
It actually doesn't. They're pumping out merchandise out at a rate we haven't seen in a long time.
>Wrong again.
Must have broken ears or something.
>Hilariously enough that's pretty much another line aped from the 0079 promo.
Which copied the Wing promo.Are you looking at a different Gundam promo or something?
>This is common knowledge amongst anime fans
Show me or you're full of shit. I'll take the word of someone working around the company over you're "anime fans" with no faces.
>>14293229
>Are you seriously trying to dictate what the general public should recognize?
What does that even mean, and how the fuck you got that from my post?
This thread is doiing a good job reminding everyone why Wingfags are so hated. Good job.
>>14293229
Mainstream for anyone that pays any attention to anime.
Anime itself is only marginally mainstream in the states - the vast majority of people are at best aware that something called that exists, but don't partake. The people who are aware of it and have any kind of familiarity will at least have heard of DBZ/Naruto/Bleach, Sailor Moon, and Gundam.
>>14293239
>up until 2012
>up until 2012
>up until 2012
>up until 2012
You're ignoring that 10 year gap on purpose ironically enough CN reaired YYH in 2006 along with with uncut DBZ so age had nothing to do with anything.
>And they followed up DBZ with Gundam Wing and it trended on Twitter.
Doesn't disprove what I said but whatever
>Nothing
Okay
> Teen Titans Go isn't high profile. The original sure, but Go?
The example he used was from the original TT retard
>Because no one knows what the fuck it is.
Except for everyone who knows adult swim and cartoons in general
>It flops time and time again.
Only the 2011 series flopped
>They're pumping out merchandise out at a rate we haven't seen in a long time.
What? No they're not. They're pumping out less shit now then they were back then, it only seems a lot because they haven't considered the US market since Bandai Ent closed doors.
>Which copied the Wing promo
It didn't.
>I'll take a word of a tripfag claiming shit
Okay
>>14293258
>You're ignoring that 10 year gap on purpose ironically enough CN reaired YYH in 2006 along with with uncut DBZ so age had nothing to do with anything.
YYH flopped again and CN stopped airing most anime.
>Doesn't disprove what I said but whatever
Shows it's mainstream
>Except for everyone who knows anime
agreed
>Only the 2011 series flopped
Third Dimension flopped too. So did at least 1 comic series
>I'll take a word of a tripfag claiming shit
He's actually proven who he was so I'll just take that as you giving up.
>>14288788
>not understanding logical notation
sad for you, but not really.
>>14289203
what did you want them to change the name to and why?
>>14289262
Until Carta Arc.
>>14293774
The only person who dies in Carta Arc is Fatty McDeathflag.
After that is Einborg and he jobs so hard he can't even kill the Shrike Team.
>>14293044
>FLCL has figures and manga
>Show me. Show me these material released in the west.
Come on anon, are you trying?
I'll post the toys/figures in a bit.
>>14294049
Nevermind on the toys/figures.
Don't know why I posted that...I'm sorta drunk.
The manga part still stands.
>>14294058
Are you an idiot? The manga was released in English in the early 2000s. Twice.
>>14294105
That was my point...
>>14288719
I'm a fast reader and I def catch more of the visuals when I go back and watch it without subs
>>14292934
>hell even the creator had no plans for a sequel.
You're mistaking him not wanting to reveal the mystery with not wanting to make a second season. He always wanted to make another season he just wanted it so the mystery was the vehicle for the character driven stories like in season 1 instead of the main show.
>>14293039
>Yeah and the toys infamously flopped hard.
They flopped because Bandai got over zealous and tried to force Japanese business practices onto American retailers pissing them off, not because no one wanted to buy the toys. The toys sold strong at first before they tried to stock a billion Matador Gundams and one God Gundam in every store.
>>14288020
seed was the only show with censored laser pisstols anyways.
>>14294219
>He always wanted to make another season
No he stated that he intended the show to end that way and it wasn't cut short.
>>14294327
>not because no one wanted to buy the toys.
>They flopped
Are you just trying to be stupid?
>>14294327
I remember reading about it years ago but already forgot. What kind of business pratices Bandai tried to apply on the western retailers back then?
>>14293278
>YYH flopped again
How could it flop again when it aired at a 6am deathslot and they didn't stop airing anime altogether until 2011 so they basically sat on it for years until the license lapse which is why they had to repurchase the rights to Naruto and One Piece for the Toonami revival.
>>14294327
>The toys sold strong at first before they tried to stock a billion Matador Gundams and one God Gundam in every store.
This isn't true.
Generally the assortment ratio for stores is to have the largest ratio of hero character to minor character with 1 or 2 minor popular characters being absurdly small in ratio (boba fett effect). Something like 8 God Gundam 2 Matador, 3 Windmill, 1 Master Gundam, 1 Death Army. What actually happened is that every time a restock happened, the Matador, Windmills, Death Army, etc. that were part of the previous restock were still on the shelf and your part time employee would just restock the empty spots on the shelf. And the popular characters would sell out. And then more re-stock and then everything in the box goes on the shelf that can fit. And the popular character would sell out. Eventually what happens is all the pegs are occupied with undesirables and the store's system won't let the store receive any more restocks until the pegs have room. This is pretty common for action figures (go ask /toy/ ).
About the only voice I'm having issues with is JYB, and I don't actually have an issue with him or his performance or what I've seen of it so far, but how he gets shoved into fucking everything.
>>14294604
Hey man, voice actors need to eat just as much as you, it's not as glamorous or well paying as you might expect.
