Was Zeon literally Nazi Germany? Do we know anything about their economic policies? Were they a national socialist regime? If that's the case, how many Zeonboos here also browse /pol/?
No, Zeon was Zeon. It has parallels, but Nazi Germany did not exist in space colonies and believe in space men with psychic powers. Hitler won largely through popular support, not through secretly assassinating a famous borderline religious leader.
Zeon indiscriminately killed any civilians in space colonies to gain an advantage and reduce the population to make it easier to control. The nazis waged war on the surrounding nations and firebombed them, but only committed targeted genocide against the Jews in the Holocost. Horrid, but still very different.
Gihren was obviously meant to be comparable to Hitler, as his own father states, but they are NOT one and the same.
Zeon-ism is just not liking the Earth Government, with a little mystical newtype bullshit. The fact that it has so many splinter groups goes to show how loosey-goosey the ideology is.
So, Zeon compares pretty well to a number of polities - the Axis states being the most obvious. I think the choice to mirror the Nazis more overtly was a way of aligning Zeon with Imperial Japan and her crimes without being all like "We Wuz Murderers an Shit," which I doubt would go over very well in Japan on a commercial level. Instead, we've got factions like the Gihren faction and the Delaz fleet as more obvious analogs to Japanese war-tie & post-war elements.
You can also draw parallels between Zeon and the Colonial United States. The under-taxed and relatively autonomous colonials demanding more rights than they've earned or are willing to pay for. Zeonic Newtypism, the generic "space makes us better people" kind, compares very well to American exceptionalism. It doesn't matter where you came from, what matters is that you come here and then you'll be better for it.
The real sticking point is the Zabi family's role in Zeon. Japan, Italy, and Spain all had fascist leaders that were, in theory, subordinate to their monarchs. Hitler's Germany never reinstated the Imperial family, although Hitler aspired to be like their ancestors - namely Frederick the Great. There's a part of me that wants to draw parallels to Oliver Cromwell's Commonwealth seeing as his successor was his own son, Tumbledown Dick, but it doesn't seem right. Although, his "reductions" of Scotland and Ireland were destructive as fuck. Not Operation British and murdering fellow colonials destructive, but the 17th Century didn't have lasers and shit.
Anyways, as for economic policy, I'd be surprised if they actually compared to Nazi Germany. Sure their development process with all of its derivatives and variations is as Nazi as can be, but the Nazis were slow to actually mobilize their economy for war. Peak economic mobilization was ~'42, I believe. Can't imagine Gihren's Zeon producing many civilian goods during the war itself. Maybe this element is more Japanese? I can't entirely be certain.
>>14287557
>The fact that it has so many splinter groups goes to show how loosey-goosey the ideology is
I think it's safe to say that this represents what happens when an ideology is born, and the people are filled with the zeal of the converted, but the prophet dies before his complete vision is made manifest.
Zeon's ideals can be compared with Christianity and the incredibly splintered nature of the church - the main branches and their various heresies. With the prophet gone, and no power capable of enforcing a singular vision, the ideology branches off in countless ways.
>>14287542
>but only committed targeted genocide against the Jews in the Holocost
WE WILL NOT FORGET WWII
SERBIAN ARTILLERY IS LED BY GOD
Gihren is literally Hitler
>>14287626
But i like Hitler, desu~
>>14287671
I never said he was wrong though.
>>14287626
>inb4 ZIDF comes here
>>14287675
But Ghiren is right
It's not worth asking, OP. This is the kind of thread that summons Black_Knight and his Zeon wank, your question will never foster any real discussion.
Zeon is more WWII era Japan
A bunch of guys fighting for what seemed like a good idea at the time, but they were actually being led by a bunch of crazy jackasses.
>>14287680
Put your trip on, Black_Knight.
>>14287686
>>14287675
Nyet
>>14287542
>but only committed targeted genocide against the Jews in the Holocost.
And the gypsies (I hate em too, but just saying), the mentally ill, the homosexuals. But I know what you mran.
>>14287564
>Tumbledown Dick
I giggled like a schoolgirl at this.
>>14287564
>Anyways, as for economic policy, I'd be surprised if they actually compared to Nazi Germany. Sure their development process with all of its derivatives and variations is as Nazi as can be, but the Nazis were slow to actually mobilize their economy for war. Peak economic mobilization was ~'42, I believe.
Keep in mind that Hitler's great economic recovery was basically a house of cards. It looked nice from a distance, but the closer you got to it the more obvious it was that a strong breeze could make it all go to shit.
>>14287739
>Even the biggest Zeon wanker on the board can't argue with it
Gihren is Hitler
>Zeon = Japan
>Earth = US
>Earth Sphere = Pacific Ocean
>Various sides and Colonies = Various Pacific Islands
>Operation British = Pearl Harbor
The main difference in this analogy being that Japan never controlled any significant US territory (just some small Alaskan islands no one cares about) like Zeon controlled on Earth.
>>14287862
>Various sides and Colonies = Various Pacific Islands
Why have I never noticed this
>>14287739
>The Black Knight satellite is claimed by some conspiracy theorists to be an object approximately 13,000 years old of extraterrestrial origin orbiting Earth in near-polar orbit.
Now I know why XENO and ZEON sound familiar.No wonder Xeno scum want to end humanity with Black_Knight as it's vanguard.
We must defeat these wolves in sheep's clothing who distribute Turner's Diary underground.
>>14287845
>Gihren is Hitler
He even has his own Mein Kampf
>U.C. 0071 - Gihren Zabi proclaims his Survival of the Selected theory.
>* This is the English translation used in Gundam Officials. Literally, it's something like Survival of the Superior Race.
>>14287542
This
>>14287532
Zeon was a monarchical state, that goes against National Socialism. Not every nationalist state are Nazis.
>>14287532
Hitler didn't make himself and his kin royalty.
http://00tn2.blogspot.ca/2014/06/gundam-are-zabis-royalty.html
If Zeon are Nazis why are they named after Israel?
>>14287532
>SeigZeon.
>>14287532
Nazis weren't socialists anyway, like the DPRK isn't, D, an R, or for the P.
>>14287542
There were lots of groups targeted in the Holocaust.
>>14293546
Gypsys, Jehovahs Witnesses and others were all targeted too yea, not just Jews. It was just that they were by far the biggest group.
>>14292314
Because Zeon is the promised land.
Honest question, was Gihren a fucking retard?
Zeon didindu nuffin.
they attacked colonies that allied against them and could have been used to house fed troops and weapons. it made sense to clear out such a big strategical weakness. when you are the underdog you really can't play fair and have to play as dirty as possible to win, you don't have the chance to be honorable and shit cause doing so can mean your death. In fact the zeon officers that decided to be honorable always met their death. anyways you think the fed ruling class cared about those dead spacenoids? no, less mouths to feed, and they never gave a shit about any colony drop for the same reason. I'd rather have a passionate leader like Char or Haman then some Apathetic shadow council like the feds have.
>>14293619
he almost conquered all the earth sphere so no but he should have reigned in char and possibly should have allowed revil and his father to sign the peace treaty and start up the war down the line
