Has anyone actually seen Shirow in the last decade? How do we know he's alive, even?
>But he's still releasing books
What if it's just a super advanced yet heavily outdated computer? That would explain the 90s-tier CG in the artwork. A computer wired to Shirow's deepest desires. Oily black men coated in bad CG and horsecocks.I just read Dominion and it was nice
It could just be assistants.
Or maybe he uploaded his mind when the earthquake started.
>>14280716
Yeah, "nice" sums up the original Dominion manga nicely.
and HAS ANYONE GOTTEN THEIR HANDS ON DOMINION: PHANTOM OF THE AUDIENCE?
>>14281753
And as always, something went wrong. That's why you shouldn't trust computors. You'll end up banged in the showers by lizard dudes.
>>14281763
"reclusive artist's style changes oddly, after investigating it turns out he died and his cyberuploadhyperbrain didn't upload right" sounds like a decent premise for a b-story in a cyber show.
>>14280716
>What if it's just a super advanced yet heavily outdated computer?
What if we connect him to the internet?
Would he make a doodle made out of oily horsecocks and shut down government sites?
>>14281771
>>14281804
Goddamn cyberpunk really is dystopian.
Was there ever another Japanese manga/anime creator who fall off as hard as Shirow? I think not.
>>14281834
oh yes there were, in fact practically every prominent artist of his generation got JUSTed, it's just that we don't meme them as much.
>>14281834
>I think not.
You think wrong.
Look at people like Hiroyuki Utatane.
>>14281839
>>14281843
I'm not talking about their sales, popularity or relevance. I'm talking about the degradation of their ability and style.
>>14281848
Oh so am I.
Just look at Jouji Manabe. Nowadays you can't tell the difference between his drawings and those of the average doujin artist. And obviously he doesn't give a shit about writing stories anymore.
I'd say what really sets Shirow apart is that his IPs are still massively popular but nobody really gives a shit about him anymore and those who do just feel sorry and a little angry.
He's like the George Lucas of mangakas.
>>14281848
>I'm talking about the degradation of their ability and style.
Anon, to be terribly honest, Shiro's problem is not his ability, in fact he's just as good as ever, it's just that he found some new fetishes. We love to meme on big oily horsecocks here on /m/, but Shiro's actually improved on basic anatomy, problem is he's wasting away drawing lackluster porn while other people from his generation, like Hagiwara, actally draw something more than lackluster porn.
Hell, Hagiwara is like, the laziest from his generation and still gets a lot of shit done, just not for Bastard!!, unfortunately, and his style is immensely better now even though he can be accused of liking gorilla macho musclegirls too much just as Shiro like his oily horsecocks. But hey, at least he's still based, just look at the guy.
Shiro's problem is that he just let it all go and his current fetishes are worse than his previous ones.
Also, Togashi.
>>14281859
>Just look at Jouji Manabe
No. Nowhere close to how bad modern Shirow is.
Fuck off, fanboy.
>>14281860
>shirow's actually improved on basic anatomy
I disagree
I'd say he's improved in some minute details of anatomy, at the expense of the big picture. His previous characters may not have had every muscle drawn right but at least they didn't look like stick insects masquerading as humans.
It's a typical case of style degenerating into mannerism.
>>14281867
Hey, I said BASIC anatomy.
I agree with you that his girls look like toothpicks now, but that's simply style, as I said, new fetishes.
>>14281870
and that's exactly where I'm disagreeing with you; basic anatomy would be the main muscle groups and the overall proportions of the human body.
He's largely lost track of that in favor of NON-BASIC anatomy such as the degree of elasticity of a butt cheek as it's being plowed by a horsecock.
>>14281871
>He's largely lost track of that in favor of NON-BASIC anatomy such as the degree of elasticity of a butt cheek as it's being plowed by a horsecock.
I disagree, it's PRECISELY because the buttcheeks are so skinny now that they've lost elasticity, it makes sense.
I stand on my previous point regarding fetishes not infringing basic anatomy rules.
>>14281834
Well, maybe Nagano, with the whole Gothicmade retcon bullshit, but even then I don't think that's anywhere near horsecocks levels.
>>14281880
And I stand by mine because shile it could be argued that his pre-90s girls had slender hips, nowadays they're inhumanly narrow and have grossly disproportionate legs and feet.
>>14280716
The last "relevant" workwasthat Fire Emblem game for DS
Always fun to see the art cucks going nuts
>>14281839
>>>/tv/
>>14281834
The guy who did Outlanders just does porn now
>>14283852
Outlanders wasn't good, so no big loss. And don't pretend that isn't what he really wanted to do all the time anyway.
>>14283852
His drawings are pretty nice still. At least from what I recall from Kanojo De Ippai.
Speaking of that, when FFS is Drakuun vol5 going to get translated? Manabe is great.
I always feels bad when they say that drawing porn is a bad thing, if it is what makes Shirow and other artists happy, let them do it so.
>>14283948
Who the fuck is this "they"?
>>14280716
>>14281771
Masamune Shirow was just a pseudonym. A pseudonym used by multiple mangaka of the Eighties, none of whom ever met each other.
Into the Nineties and Aughts, more writers would take on the Shirow name. Nobody knows who the original Shirow was, nor if there even was an original.
Masamune Shirow is a standalone complex.
>>14284684
Or, as scholars call it, a meme.
Is it just me or does Black Magic feel like a prototype for Appleseed?
>>14284719
and for Orion!
>>14284684
Dread Mangaka Shirow
>>14284720
Orion confused the hell out of me when I read it a few years ago.
>>14281860
Togashi still puts out work, at least.
>inb4 chicken doodle.jpg
>>14284746
waaait a second, that panel's not from the original Dominion manga, is it?
>>14285006
It is
We need some closure on which puma is which.
In Conflict we know that Anna is shaping up to become Leona's gunner while Uni is gonna be doing paperwork (or is it the other way around?).
But there's a few earlier drawings in which they look a bit different, like here >>14280716
and here
Also we know that Uni likes being tied up.
>>14285024
Dominion fans have it good.
2 fun anime adaptions. Appleseed had an OVA made at the perfect time and somehow it came out bland as fuck. GitS continues to get anime that are nothing like the manga.
I guess Black Magic fans have it good too, don't they? It doesn't have the space plot but it's still great fun. Heck, I think it's better that it doesn't since the space stuff wasn't explored that well.
>>14285034
>Dominion
you forgot about Tank SWAT 01 huh?
A bigger CG abortion than any of the Appleseed sequels. So nasty even fewer people know about it than about Phantom of the Audience.
>Black Magic
the new manga's looking decent, but not particularly promising since it doesn't have Shirow's style or a cool protagonist. It could go either way at this point.
>>14285039
fucking tank swat. lets all hope the newer folks keep on forgetting, and someday it will be gone forever.
Also since when is there new BM manga? I love the original, and the ova (terminator) freaking rocks.
>>14285051
since this very month, check the archive, it's apparently some kind of loose crossover of GITS, Black Magic M-66 and Ghost Drive. And there's a new M-66 girl in it called M-66 39
Shhhh!
F6 is sleeping!
>>14283852
Didn't he start in porn anyways?
Shit, I think I need the next volume of Ring x Mama....
>>14285350
he always drew porn yeah, but at least he had a cool style
>>14285373
Are you kidding? His more recent style is vastly better than his older stuff. I grew up with stuff like Outlanders and Drakuun, so don't try to play the oldfag card on me. Johji agree'd.
>>14285518
his most recent "style" (or lack thereof) is bland as fuck.
>>14285526
You're just autistically fixated on what you grew up with.
>>14285527
I grew up with turn-of-the-millenium gateway anime like Fullmetal Alchemist, and even then I wasn't really into it. I only started exploring weebshit five years ago going from the most recent to the oldest material I could find and the superiority of the 80s graphic style is obvious.
inb4 "then it means you're a hipster if you didn't grow up with it"
>>14285550
So even worse, you're just a contrarian newfag who thinks they see the superiority of this bug-eyed stocky creature >>14285518
>>14285556
Damn right I see it, the superiority lies in character.
This here is more realistic, but less interesting to look at.
Also you don't know what contrarian means. I would be a contrarian if I were being dishonest in order to go against the mainstream.
>>14285563
Let me guess. Somehow the newer version is "less interesting" to you.
>>14285579
>>14285584
okay that looks good
because it looks a lot more 80s than the rest of his recent material
>>14285586
No, it's because you have a boner for fantasy designs rather than designs grounded more in reality and you somehow equate that to "superior artstyle"
>>14285597
No I don't. In case you didn't notice, this >>14285584 has puffy hair and SHADING.
this doesn't >>14285556
>>14285608
That's wrong on multiple accounts.
>>14285556 has puffy hair under her helmet and the shading is consistent with the chosen level of lighting.
>>14285584 has no helmet and the shading is consistent with the raging flames in the background.
You suck at this art thing.
>>14285618
More like the level of lighting is consistent with the chosen level of shading and the helmet hides the hair.
also lelCG
Aside from porn, what else has he released?
The last thing that was tied to him (the basic concept at least) that was released was Koukaku no Pandora.
>>14285678
Read the thread, there's a new crossover manga that uses some of his IPs.
>>14285584
Looks like a dude on the right
>>14285034
I'd say GitS fans have it good too. They may not adapt the manga perfectly but most of the adaptions are great.
Why do you guys even argue about bloody covers, do you want to literally fit a proverb so much?
Post some actual pages.
>>14285740
I disagree but I can sort of see why some people would think that.
This was from volume 1.
>>14285747
>Update
The movie and SAC are both great. The 2nd movie was good but too full of philosophy. Arise was the only average one.
And now randomly from volume 5.
>>14285751
Again, I disagree.
Honestly I can't say either can be criticised, when I count in differences in overal style of early 1990s and early 2000s.
>>14285741
So he is doing manga again then.
>>14285767
It's Drakuun, 1990s thing (with last volume 5 released in 2003 and never translated). The furriness of it is telltale I think.
Johji was never good
>>14285824
You were never good.
![[Frostii]_K-On!!_B-Side_Theater_-_Uraon!!_-_5_[68EDDDCF].mkv_snapshot_00.19_[2016.03.08_23.17.33].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oY3Srgq.jpg "[Frostii]_K-On!!_B-Side_Theater_-_Uraon!!_-_5_[68EDDDCF].mkv_snapshot_00.19_[2016.03.08_23.17.33].jpg")
>>14285924
Yeah I've always been amazing
Johji's career is literally just pretending to be Rumiko Takahashi with sci-fi edginess until he became content doing mediocre ero manga
>>14286026
You're saying it as if being Rumiko with sci-fi edge wasn't cool as fuck
>>14286026
>Johji's career is literally just pretending to be Rumiko Takahashi
This is ancient aliens level of incoherent rambling
>>14286036
that's PHG for ya
>>14286026
he was king of Generic 80s Anime Big Eye look too
Nah, if you want to summarize Manabe for comedic purposes (that is, to make yourself look like a dummy), you point to the epic level of furry in his stuff.
>>14286039
>Motoko will never be this floofy again
>>14286429
Does he even draw goofy blob aliens anymore?
>>14285090
WAKE UP F6-402!
YOU'RE LATE TO SCHOOL!
>>14281860
What the fuck is Hagiwara even doing now? Did he actually finish Bastard!!?
>>14280716
Why do the puma twins wear bikinis?
They're robots, they don't need bikinis.
>>14288584
Why do you have a penis? Not like you're going to have sex anyway.
>>14288586
Are you implying that the twins have built-in bikinis?
>>14288592
>>14288586
Or that they use their bikinis for masturbatory purposes?
>>14288584
Dude, they also have faces, cat ears, nipples, 1980s porn hair and soft fleshy finish. Probably with the important parts too, given their original use.
>>14280716
>those hips
It's a man, baby!
And they actually eat too, so I think they aren't typical robots.
>>14288829
they've got that nuclear reactor stomach or something, since they can also eat polystyrene and steel.
You just want to take them home with you. Too bad they are fiercely loyal to their master.
>>14288555
>What the fuck is Hagiwara even doing now?
Card games illustrations, character designer/illestrator for videogames, fanbooks, a lot of minor stuff, but he's pretty active.
>Did he actually finish Bastard!!?I kid you not, the absolute madman is redrawing it from the start with his current style because he was unsatisfied with how he drew back then.
>>14288850
I really don't.
F6 is the only killbot I want to take home.
Bastard!! has gotten so much worse with time that it's just sad. The art is better, I guess. In a way, the character designs are worse. But the actual content is just terrible nowadays.
>>14288868
>spoiler
nostalgiafag BTFO
>>14288868
Lucas disease, eh? That's bad.
>>14288881
>But the actual content is just terrible nowadays.
I disagree, the content just shifted from edgy comedic shonen to ecchi comedic shonen, the difference is minimal, and I honestly prefer the latter.
>>14288902
He can afford it, besides, he's one of the few old mangaka from the 80's that didn't disappear and/or almost stopped drawing, Utatane's last work was the Evangelion: Anima designs spinoffs if I'm not mistaken and besides that there's the veeeeeeeeeery rare loli illustration for H-magazines, Shirow is basically dead and when he's not dead he draws oily horsecocks with terrible CG.
And most importantly, Hagi actually learned to use computers for drawing AND learned to draw instead of being stuck in the same old style for 20-30 years, hell, he actually made considerable improvements, even Miura which is drawing mostly since the same days as Hagi didn't get nearly as good, he still makes very simple mistakes.
Say what you want about his 80's/early 90's style, but Hagi is pretty much one of the most skilled illustrators around despite his background, the ones from his time that still make good stuff are basically Nobuteru and Katsuya Terada.
>>14288996
>but Hagi is pretty much one of the most skilled illustrators around
Not by a long shot. He's not bad, but you're really overrating him.
>>14288996
Why is her head so small? And is that supposed to be Mihoshi as an angel?
>>14289018
Hagi-chan has a serious case of small head itis
Okay guys! That's a wrap.
You've both had valid points, but it's all about taste, alright? Noone's right or wrong.
Get back in your tanks and get a good RAR untill next time we need this discussion.
>>14288829
they're full of nuts and bolts alright.
By the way, if they started grinding their crotches together, would sparks fly out?
>>14289018
Did somebody say Mihoshi
>>14289132
did they keep up the Mihoshi service in that Sasami Magical Girl Club series?
I remember the first episode had Teacher Mihoshi forget to put on a skirt and showed up in a top and pantyhose or something.
>>14289007
For being a 50+ years old mangaka?
He's certainly one of the best. There's a reason he still has a following even though he's not publishing manga.
Sure, people like Terada are technically much better, but they come from completely different backgrounds too.
>>14289018
Hagi likes dem heads small mkay?
Kinda like Mogudan.
>>14289018
>Why is her head so small?
It's a more powerful and mature proportions. General rule is that the bigger the head is relative to the body the more childish the body looks.
>>14284684
>Aughts
Is this what people are calling the 00s now? That fucking sucks.
>>14284684
Reminds me of the whole "Michiko Yokote is actually three writers" thing.
>>14289733
I've never heard anyone but >>14284684
call it that. Sounds stupid.
>>14289752
I've seen "noughties" used.
>>14289733
>>14289752
I've seen it a few times. It's not great, but it's a hell of a lot less stupid than >>14290429.
BUMP!
I noticed something weird about Motoko's hairstyle: as we all know it gets less floofy towards the end of the manga, BUT, when she's in her ghost form, he hair is still as floofy as at the beginning of the manga.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
>>14281881
Nagano's actually gotten a lot better as an artist, especially his character designs. And he's also somehow managed to escape the dreaded samface syndrome that plagues 90% of any artist in the anime industry. The Gothicmades are also extravagantly drawn with even more precision and consistency than the Mortar Headds. The only problem is that the GTM designs themselves are garbage.
>>14292302
>he's also somehow managed to escape the dreaded samface syndrome that plagues 90% of any artist in the anime industry
Not only is that figure horribly wrong, but you posted a case of Nagano sameface. Retarded!
>>14292481
>figure horribly wrong
Why, because it's not some shitty muscular mess of disproportionate ass and tits with tiny heads like what's been posted a few times before this?
>sameface
Wrong. Eyes, jawline, nose size, and lips are all different. You can tell one is Asian and the other isn't. THIS is sameface, and as much as I love Urushihara, even he can't escape it.
>>14292630
>Wrong.
No.
>Eyes
No, sans eye shadow.
>jawline
No. They are just at different angles.
>nose size
No. Both start and end at the same place.
>lips
No. One is smiling, the other is not.
>You can tell one is Asian and the other isn't
They are drawn the same way.
Your delusion is escaping the confines of Earth's gravity. Stop before you burn up.
>>14292637
>No, sans eye shadow.
Sorry to disappoint you but eye shadow makes a huge difference in how your eyes look, so you can't omit it. That's the entire point of makeup. Not to mention, the one with the eye shadow has slightly larger eyes.
>They are just at different angles.
Being at those angles doesn't make your chin more pointy than before.
>No. Both start and end at the same place.
They're the same width, but the Asian has a longer nose, and a longer face overall
>They are drawn the same way
The bodily proportions, yes, but the faces? Totally different.
>delusion
Right back at you.
>>14292651
>Sorry to disappoint you but eye shadow makes a huge difference in how your eyes look, so you can't omit it.
Not that guy but sameface has nothing to do with same makeup.
>>14292651
>>14292637
>>14292630
Quit gettin' mad at cartoons you knuckleheads!
>>14292662
Sameface is by definition, the ability to swap out someone's hair onto another person's head, and have them look no different than before because their faces are identical. Makeup applies to the face, so it does make a difference when it comes to sameface. Ignoring things like facial hair (i.e. eyelash or beard length), skin tone (blushing, etc), lipstick, and the like is the same as denying the very reason for makeup's existence- to make your face look different without reshaping it. Of course, most of these factors are not accounted for on a typical anime design, but they make a large difference when they're there. Carta is the most unique female character design in IBO solely because of her makeup.
>>14292675
No, makeup does not offset sameface. By that logic, hair would offset sameface. It doesn't.
>>14292685
Sameface applies to your face. When you apply makeup to your face, you are changing the appearance of your face. Your hair is not part of your face unless we're referring to facial hair. Hence the term "sameface".
If you swap a person's hair from someone with makeup to someone without makeup there is a noticeable difference.
>>14292687
/fa/ here
You're hilariously wrong about hair. It can drastically change the appearance of someone's facial structure and the same can be said of cartoon people.
>>14292690
>/fa/ here
So you've totally invalidated your own reputation before presenting your opinion. Good start.
>It can drastically change the appearance of someone's facial structure and the same can be said of cartoon people.
It can by covering parts of your face, so you are correct in that regard. But changing your hair doesn't change the size of your lips, your eyes, your cheek color, or any of that like makeup can. Makeup actually goes on the face and becomes a part of it. Hair does not.
>>14292687
Hair applies to the face.
>>14292704
Oh, so now you're pulling a samefag argument and ad hominem? Sorry, but there's multiple people telling you that you're wrong. Maybe you should stop being so obstinate.
>>14292704
>makeup actually goes on the face and becomes part of it
Only to the same degree hair does.
Just hiding the forehead or the cheekbones alters the face at least as much as lipstick and eyeshadow. And neither eyeshadow nor lipstick can change the size of one's lips or eyelashes or eyelids.
If you're dismissing hair, you have to dismiss makeup.
>>14292705
>Hair applies to the face.
Read >>14292704
Hair doesn't apply to your face anywhere near the extent that makeup can. And let's say we go with your definition that hair does totally change your face- then that only further solidifies those Nagano characters NOT having sameface because their hair is totally different. So, why are you helping MY argument of all things?
>samefag argument
Nowhere was that mentioned, but feel free to demonstrate your illiteracy.
>ad hominem
People on /fa/ are mostly pretentious senseless morons when it comes to fashion. Same with /lit/ for writers, and -you guessed it- /m/ for mecha. So boldy stating that you're from /fa/ doesn't make you look smarter, it makes you look like a fucking retard who thinks /fa/'s opinion is actually worth a damn.
>Sorry, but there's multiple people telling you that you're wrong. Maybe you should stop being so obstinate.
Oh, I'm so terrified of you and the other one or two people who show off their idiocy and complete lack of both eyesight and knowledge. Please, show me your strength in numbers on this anonymous chinese discussion board where your identities don't mean jack shit.
>>14292709
>Just hiding the forehead or the cheekbones alters the face at least as much as lipstick and eyeshadow.
I disagree with that statement, but there really is no way to disprove it since "at least as much" is relative to your tastes and not mine.
>neither eyeshadow nor lipstick can change the size of one's lips or eyelashes or eyelids.
Eyeshadow can give you more defined and larger eyes, and lipstick does the same for your lips.
>>14292714
You're replying to the wrong guy.
And yeah, /fa/ knows more about fashion than you do. We know that hair is at least 30% of how you look.
>>14292722
it's not relative to tastes, it's relative to using words right.
Lipstick doesn't enlarge shit. It makes lips look more or less large, same thing for eyeshadow. Hair makes the face look more or less narrow, more or less plump, etc.
If we're just talking about making faces look a certain way, rather than drawing them a certain way, you have to accept that different hair = different face. We both know it's wrong, but you don't realize that the same thing must be said of makeup.
>>14292725
>And yeah, /fa/ knows more about fashion than you do.
Not from what you've demonstrated, sadly.
>We
You know it's only you, right? Unless you're suggesting that /fa/ is actually some kind of hivemind, and if it is, well, I guess they have to find a containment board for your kind somewhere.
>hair is at least 30% of how you look
So define "sameface" in your own words then, since you clearly don't agree with my definition. Since you insist that both hair and makeup define a face, what would it take for something to be "sameface"?
>>14292731
>you have to accept that different hair = different face.
But there is far more to your face than its shape. The biggest difference between people of different races isn't their facial shapes, but their facial features. Eye size, nose size, lips size, skin tones. IRL almost everyone's facial shape is different, and hair doesn't really change that type of difference. It makes a difference ,but to suggest that it makes a bigger difference than makeup is ludicrous.
>>14292736
it's really fucking simple: do the lines match when you superimpose the two faces?
If yes, then sameface. There's ways to diminish the appearance of sameface, such as diff hairstyles and makeups but ultimately it's down to the fucking linework and facial structure. And honestly I don't think sameface is a big problem as long as the characters are easily discernible and don't look like shit. It only means the artist is lazy or has extremely specific tastes.
>>14292747
>IRL almost everyone's facial shape is different
Meant to say "similar" here, "different" was a typo
>>14292751
So you would totally ignore the facial features themselves in favor of the silhouette of the head? You're telling me that most people have faces that are more different than a U or a V shape? Really?
>some retard actually arguing that eye liner has more an impact on the face than hair and calling everyone who disagrees with him samefag
H O L Y
S H I T
>>14292770
>some retard who can't contribute to an argument and resorts to mindless shitposting instead
H O L Y
S H I T
>>14292777
>your borderline insane denial is an argument
>you are so bothered by the post you mimic it
ebin
>>14292769
>You're telling me that most people have faces that are more different than a U or a V shape? Really?
obviously.
There's like at least five main face types. And that's not getting into ethnic specificities.
And once again, you can't separate facial features and "head silhouette" when trying to describe sameface, it's all part of what's called the facial structure.
Or are you gonna tell me that a white guy in cheap blackface looks more like an african than your local lightskin nigga? Or that just squinting will actually make you more like an Asian than an eskimo normally would?
>>14292787
>facial structure
Your eyes and lips are all part of your facial structure. Both of those can be modified with makeup. I'd argue that makeup can also make a difference on your nose, but that's stretching it a bit. "Tracing a line" over a face and superimposing it on another face IS just a "head silhouette".
>Or are you gonna tell me that a white guy in cheap blackface looks more like an african than your local lightskin nigga?
Yes, I can tell you that.
>>14292797
Everybody, go home. This guy is officially retarded and will say anything just to keep the argument going.
>>14292805
Wow, a shitty 1950's bad makeup attempt compared to a similar better one less than 5 years ago. You sure disproved me!
>This guy is officially retarded and will say anything just to keep the argument going.
Says the retard with no argument left.
>>14292797
The illusion is confounding. If I didn't know that's Rober Downey jr. I would be shaking in my boots hoping I don't get mugged and chimped on right now.
>>14292814
Maybe you should learn how to read?
>Or are you gonna tell me that a white guy in cheap blackface looks more like an african than your local lightskin nigga?
Oh, who am I kidding? You're retarded!
>>14292820
>a white guy in cheap blackface
That's literally what RDJ is in that picture. Older =/= cheaper.
But hey, if a blind retard insists otherwise, I'm sure someone out there will believe him.
>>14292302
Don't know if I agree with Nagano "escaping" sameface, but his character designs have some good variety to them overall. His villain designs are all very unique.
>>14288868
>dat spoiler
Absolute madman. Where can I read this new Bastard?
>>14288996
So what do the old 80s mangaka do if they haven't died? Live off royalties?
>>14293424
That and draw porn.
>>14293463
Sounds rad as hell. An artist friend of mine said if he didn't need to worry about money he'd just draw porn.
As someone who reads mostly 70's manga it's pretty weird looking at a list of work artists from the 80s on on wards have worked on. Like, a lot of them seem to have only one main work that seems like it'll never end.
Nagano has 2 official works, Guyver dude has a collection of one shots, Zeorymer, and, well, Guyver.
Also, the only Nagano characters that really suffer from sameface are the Fatima. Those are arguably intentional, though.
Back to Shirow: Just read Vol.2 of Appleseed. The chapters involving those Gunstand things was pretty confusing. Not sure I really understood it.
>>14294206
As if though the 70s were any better
>>14294317
No, he's right. It was very rare for series to keep running for extended periods of time in the 70s and 60s. Serializations tended to be much shorter. What manga from the 70s do you know of that ran for 20+ years?
>>14288868
Yeah, but who knows if any of us'll live to see it. Or of he'll get sidetracked again, which is guaranteed.
That being said, fuck ya Bastard!!! It's always fun to hear about it, even if it's just bitching from the lot of us about the heads being too small. My second favorite thing on /a/, behind threads about the Puma sisters. Thank you anons.
>>14289007
>>14288996
>>14288868
>>14281860
>>14294372
>>14288868
Curiously, some of the redraws for the early volumes don't seem to suffer from small heads--were these before the new Michael/angels etc. art? I assumed they came after.
>>14294383
That, or he just has a tendency to draw the older cast (Arshes, Kai Harn, etc.) with slightly larger heads? Fine by me.
>>14294372
>/a/
Sorry about that. The weirdness of seeing Bastard mentioned on /m/ got to me. As apologies, more Anna and Uni.
>>14294383
Those redrawn volumes are before he went into his tiny head + shapeless beachball boobs phase.
>>14294434
Makes sense. Still, there's some hope in current art--or maybe that's undue optimism.
>>14294387
>>14294458
His art could be worse, but what's really taken a nose dive is the story. Sure, Bastard!! was always pretty tongue-in-cheek and lazy but it's just gotten cringey in recent volumes. It's not even funny or sexy anymore, just... bad.
>>14294472
No argument about that--Even when the art was at it's pinnacle (In my opinion, around the time Arshes and Kall-su searching for Dark Schneider?) the plot was increasingly garbage.
That being said, I would absolutely reread the first half, and more, redone. Especially if he tunes down the beachball boobs/small heads. Part of the problem, I know. Who knows, maybe he'll actually put it in order this time.
>>14294505
Neo Hagiwara is so reliant on digital effects. He's definitely improved, but he should really tone down the after effects and random glowing. Also, his boobs have gotten worse over time.
>>14294525
I generally agree. In terms of "new" Hagiwara, I'd say his body designs (breasts included) were at their best with the redone Arshes Nei in remade Vol. 2. Maybe a little too round, but aesthetically appealing with the rest of her body, particularly legs. The visible detail on her stomach absent in the original is appreciated.
>>14285006
there was the first Dominion and then the second series kinda retconed things like the eviron ment and the Sisters
>>14292252
RSI, residual self image, it's how she see herself and it manifests when she dives.
>>14294668
The second manga is unrelated to the first
>>14294565
Weird thing to do. The original work was representing certain style and period, which gets removed in the remake.
>>14294929
It's pretty smart from a marketing standpoint. When you've got a series like Bastard which has been slowly serialized on and off over a few decades, it's really hard to keep a readerbase. Therefore, visually updating the beginning of the story to make it more digestible for a newer market is a good way to draw in new readers. Remember, he wouldn't have been able to do this if his publisher didn't think it was a good idea.
>>14280716
Hey guys. I started reading the Black Magic manga, does this even have anything to do with the OVA? All i'm seeing so far is Venusian space furries and some environmentalist themes. I don't see how this ties in with the plot of M-66 at all.
>>14294946
I mean, it's not beyond criticism, but it's a good idea financially--and for people who like new Hagiwara (myself included* and haven't gotten new Bastard!! in decades (and are used to it), it's a chance to see new art. Bastard!! barely gets any other promo material, and very little fanart--this would mean more of both. With a remake, the original work isn't suddenly wiped from existence, you can have both on your shelf (or your hard drive).
Same for Kosuke Fuijishima--that first volume of O!MG is extremely rough.
*Which is the test--I'd buy that shit hard IF it was like the remake he did of Vol. 2, because I think that was possibly the pinnacle of his artwork, with its admitted problems. If it goes more into the whole "small heads, beachball boobs" area, I'd be a lot less inclined.
>>14295036
There's a chapter that the OVA is based on.
>>14295036
it's got Prof Matthews and it's got some M-66 girls
that's about it
>>14293418
>Where can I read this new Bastard?
Buy the jap volumes, I don't think it got published anywhere else, we got some news here in Italy some time ago but afaik nobody actually published the few redrawn volumes, maybe they're waiting for Hagi to make a little more so they can get at least a year worth of press from those.
>>14293424
>So what do the old 80s mangaka do if they haven't died?
Most migrated in the illustration sector, videogames, anime concept art, fanbooks, you name it.
There's not many that actually live off royalties, even Rumiko makes something new once in a while, some of those are kind of a mistery, like Utatane as I said in my previous posts, sometimes they appear out of the blue for an anime or some illustrations for novels, but then they disappear for years again.
Also porn obviously.
>>14294372
You're welcome Anon, Bastard!! threads are rare because the people who know it are mostly oldfags who read it back in the days, young people today are all about Berserk when it comes to fantasy manga, few people know about Hagi.
>>14294472
>It's not even funny or sexy anymore, just... bad.
I disagree, mostly because the story never made sense after the first two volume to begin with and it was obvious Hagi just really wanted to draw cool and lewd stuff and was still in his metal period.
The biggest problem with Bastard!!'s plot aside from the glacial progression is that the story, while it is in there somewhere, is presented in an absolutely non linear way.
First we get the La Metallica arc with Abigail, then we get post La Metallica with a rescue arc and pieces of flashbacks with heavy implications about Darsh and what the world was years before La Metallica, then we get into a parallel world out of the blue, then we get back in La Metallica because dimension breaking happens in the fight with Uriel, THEN WE ARE IN HELL ALL OF A SUDDEN AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS A FLASHBACK OR NOT HOLY SHIT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE IN THE TIMELINE.
>>14295036
>>14296554
Halfway through, Shirow decided that the killbot girls were way more interesting than his space wizard mary sue and focused two chapters on them, but then went back to space stuff, and made the appendix focus entirely on the M-66 and their potential for further stories.
It's a pretty nonsensical read as usual but it's interesting to see that he had a LOT of story ideas involving the marionettes. He considered making a sci-fantasy story about feudal lords using M-66 as soldiers and personal harems, and one about isolated groups of M-66 fighting each other in a hostile environment. And there's the chibi M-66 maid at the end of the appendix that's super cute too. All that stuff seems much more interesting than Black Magic Ghost Drive. But it's still nice to see that M-66 39's clothing draws inspiration from what was drawn in the appendix right there. I really like this outfit, very hip.
Another interesting tidbit of info is that an M-66's fuel tank is located in its pelvis. Meaning that F6-402's peace symbol engraved on her hip probably doubles as her fuel hatch, and this seems to match the artwork where we see her on her bed, where's there's a tube plugged in it.
And speaking of hips, they have a narrow inner pelvis chassis, like a male skeleton's, but they have stabilizers on the sides, which effectively gives them female hips. So that's cleared out.
Now, concerning M-77, I have a question: why the fuck does she have 4 arms AND a human face? I'm pretty sure that giving it a spider-like morphology would negate the psychological advantage of a human face.
>>14296932
Also it says they're girls because they're cuter and have a lower center of gravity that way (i.e. bigger butt and THICC thighs).
chibi bump!
>>14297948
>and don't forget appleseed
I KNOW
RIGHT, SHIROW?
HUH?
>>14297955
So does Appleseed end on a giant cliffhanger?
>>14298591
no but it ends on a bunch of tiny mutant catgirls.
What is this horse cock I missed?
>>14298625
Strap yerself in, stranger, and getcha pull with some good ol' wild wet cowgirl adventures an' dang ol' CG canyons y'all!
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/287778/7c61a30dd7/
Yeehaw!
>>14298648
complementary faux-aggressive truck driver music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAFbNIyxIls
>>14298648
Oh my, thank you stranger.
>>14298678
>being happy about the horsecocks
>>14298648
That's one roided up humanoid horse.
It's like looking at all those swole kangaroos and pitbulls, fascinating.
>>14298689
yeah except kangaroos and pitbulls don't fuck twiggy pin-up girls.
Looking through Intron Depot 3 right now. The stylistic change between some pieces is fucking breakneck-hard. I really wish I could get ahold of Shirow's home address to slap some sense into him.
A funny thing about Shirow's CG stuff is that a lot of it was originally sketched before he put an ugly 3D layer on it.
>>14298724
I would argue that even those sketches lack character and charm compared to his actual manga, if only because of the bug face and pouty lips and receding chin. Very reminiscent of what happened to Adam Warren.
It's fucking scary.
NEVER EVER
>>14298731
Innsmouth syndrome.
Rip floof
>>14299261
BRING BACK FLOOF
Cute!
>>14300298
CUTE!
http://www.strawpoll.me/10367009
http://www.strawpoll.me/10367009
http://www.strawpoll.me/10367009
VERY important question!
>>14300325
GUESS WHAT I VOTED FOR
>>14300328
I don't have to, silly, I got the results displayed in real time.
>>14300300
Why did Shirow abandon her?
>>14300334
You really want to see her petite ass getting torn apart by horsecocks that badly?
>>14300325
why can't I pick both
>>14300344
don't take it too seriously, just ask yourself, right now, which one would you rather fondle?
>>14300342
We can rebuild it! we have the technology!
>>14300349
High-cut on floof
>>14300359
no, floofy high-cut is best
>>14296932
Black Magic is actually a doujin compilation turned into a full story. I don't know if any of the chapters were published on their own before getting awkwardly rolled together, but the one Atlas story I came across seemed to feature the special forces team that fought the M66.
>>14300365
huh, you managed to get your hands on some Atlas zines? Where?
>>14296932
>Halfway through, Shirow decided that the killbot girls were way more interesting than his space wizard mary sue and focused two chapters on them
Well this got me back to reading it. That does sound much more interesting.
WHAT HAPPENED?!
All memes aside, she looks like a pretty cool character and I want to know more about her.
>>14300386
yes but to be honest, the OVA is still more enjoyable, and F6-402 is cuter and more interesting than any of the marionettes in the manga.
>>14300370
This
>>14298698
Allegedly his real name is Masanori Ota. Maybe that can clue us in.
>>14295532
On the flipside, Viz hasn't done bupkis with Bastard again, even though the art is updated, so that limits the audience some.
>>14281860
>it's just that he found some new fetishes
He used PS in the laziest way possible for more than a decade.
>>14285527
>>14285556
Man, Ribbon Warriors is fun as heck
>Underground tankette team battle league
>>14300474
>Ribbon Warriors
???
>>14300325
Why not both?
>>14301187
explain
So there's three kinds of Shirow gals:
-the bad girls: almost always very attractive with long fair hair, sometimes goofy as hell, always fun to bully
-the heroines: always short-haired and from a military or law-enforcement organization, tomboyish and athletic but pretty; takes herself seriously but spazzes out more or less frequently
-the bishoujos: petite, helpless and airheaded, sometimes nerdy, always have some kind of bob cut, look more noticeably Asian
knowing that, answer this poll:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10370068
Look at this dumb fairy
>>14301528
My favorite thing about her is that she'll talk in some panels and nobody notices her.
>>14300397
She got fixed you autist
>>14304531
Really? I never noticed. The scans are too shitty for these mangas that were pirated early on.
>>14304531
Not like she's got anything smart to say. It's always "muh sunlight". Truly a potted plant.
But yeah it does make for a few nice comedic moments where she gets tossed around by the Puma sisters.
>>14304717
Dat dumbass face of her makes the scene
>>14304731
It looks very squeezable, though, and that's a plus.
>>14304548
>>14304756
PHG may be bad, but you're the same level of annoying autist, shirow-spammer.
>>14304773
Stay out of this, pup, the big dogs are talking.
>>14304791
>worse than PHG
ebin
>>14304801
If you wanna join in on the meme train you're gonna have to step up your game, cause spamming "ebin" and sometimes separating letters isn't gonna cut it.
>>14304807
ebin
>>14298648
There isn't a single visible horse cock
>>14304848
there's plenty of
>implied
horsecocks
>>14304853
Not good enough.
At least there's lactation, that'll make up for it.
But seriously i don't care about what shirow does, i think people should just let it be.
>>14300278
MAKE HAIR GREAT AGAIN!
>>14304955
>MAKE HAIR FLOOFY AGAIN!
Fixed.
>>14304955
>>14304959That's actually the one thing Trump delivered?
>>14305001
I have yet to see girls with that hairstyle in the street again. Or even in fashion mags. Trump better make it happen or I'm not voting for him.
>>14304946
We are letting it be, though, we're not hunting him down and busting into his apartment to threaten him into gitting gud again. We're just bantzing on him.
>>14305001
What are you talking about? His hair is really thin.
Also, floofags are shit.
>>14305039
If I ever become a billionaire, I'm putting together a private security company, buying some tilt roters and putting together an 80s as fuck special forces team made out of women with the sole purpose of abducting Shirow and beating the floof back into him.
>>14305052
You're shit. Floof is life.
>>14305054
Sounds like a plan.
>>14305039
I never said he made other people's hair better! Not gonna lie, sorry.
>>14305054
What are the recruiting criteria and issued equipment for the strike team ?
So did we ever manage to figure out what all the buttons and straps do?
Especially the big round one on her belly.
What manga is it that has Major wearing a diaper? I don't remember seeing it in GitS 1 or 1.5.
Also, foreshadowing Shirow's love for BBC.
>>14305445
>he votes trump
>he's racist
>he spams unfunny manga panels
>he's obsessed with the 80s to the of delusion
>he's obsessed with "floof" to the point of hating everything else
>he masturbates to diaper porn
>and he spams it all on /m/
You might just be one of the biggest fucks up on this board. Congratulations.
>>14305467
We're two different guys, Mathewnigger
>>14305467
I didn't know Quattro did all those things.
>>14305480
AT LEAST two different guys.
