So is S2 going to be a continuation of the Tekkadan story or is it going to be another 25 episode series in the same setting, maybe focusing on a new group?
>>14259059
Continuation since it said "Tekkadan will return".
>>14259059
What would possibly make you believe that second part had even the slightest possibility of being true?
>>14259086
Well, manga is focused on different characters.
>>14259059
I'd be surprisedand happyif it focused on new characters.
>>14259090
That's true of just about every Gundam series' manga, like Astray, that Build Fighters manga or that AGE one.
>>14259090
That's pretty common for AU side material.
>>14259059
Do you want another Destiny? That was what happened when they tried to focus on new characters and had to backpedal on that while the show was airing.
Reminder that several characters are pretty popular in Japan. If I'm not mistaken Mika and Kudelia even scored high in one of the big character popularity pools.
>>14259059
It'll be a continuation ofKudelia'sstory.
It'll be pic related.
>>14259187
Yeah, didn't they say in the epilogue that Tekkadan was now contracted as the private security forces for ARBRAU or something like that?
S2 will probably be just be more trash mixed with the occasional "defend kudelia/makanai from the gjallarhorn/whatever assassins!!" fight scenes
I just want Gaelio to return
Timeskip to a period when the main cast (sans char) has all died of old age and things actually happen
>>14259206
Well, his "cockpit death scene" was not shown, so I guess we have this loophole...
It'll will be whatever the writers decide it will be.
The end of S1 didn't leave a lot of speculation material.
>>14259059
I'd guess it's going to be a time skip
>>14259125
>Reminder that several characters are pretty popular in Japan.
Yeah, but let's look at those characters shall we?
> Ein is dead, died like a bitch.
> Carta is dead, died like a bitch.
> Fumitan is dead, died like a bitch.
> Gali-Gali may be dead, and if he is he died like a bitch.
And from what I've seen, Mika is a character that splits the fandom. One one hand, you have people who think he's awesome. On the other, you have guys who call him a horrible monster while comparing him to Kira (as in, they\re both seen as self-centered protagonists).
>>14259336
Someone showed a .gif of that the other day and it looked like the sword missed the cockpit. Like, you have vent/cockpit/vent and it looked like the sword only pierced where the cockpit meets the vent. So, maybe alive?
>>14259059
S2 will be after a 10 year timeskip so we can see everyone as adults and who impregnated who.
>>14259337
Let's see.
We have ChocoChar's father being in exile while Gjallarhorn is undergoing a massive purge to wipe out the corruption. There could be our antagonist faction right there. Plus, if they could shed some light on the actions/connections of Kudelia's so called "knights" to the public, Tekkadan could face repercussions that could inspire some growth for Orga and Mika. Orga learns to say no to Mika while the little crazy learns his way may be effective in the short-term, but there are long term consequences that will hurt his family.
Heck, maybe McGillis could throw them under the bus as a new enemy for the reformed Gjallarhorn to take out and win support?
>>14259812
So?
He still managed to top the chart which is something that didn't happen since at least 00.
I went into this show hearing about how it would be like 08th MS Team: "All about the grunts."
Just finished it today and I was mostly underwhelmed by it. Just the whole concept of child soldiers is so played out.
The politics of the story really dragged it down and got confusing, with all the Teiwaz, Gjallarhorn, Arbrau, sovereign bloc shit. They were having a vote to elect the next leader of Arbrau and the entire fucking city was empty.
When Tekkadan entered earth's atmosphere, I thought there'd be a few episodes of them travelling to meet the person they needed to see. Instead, they landed right on the fucking island where the old man was exiled. How fucking convenient?
The only thing I remotely enjoyed about it is that they didn't depend entirely on mobile suits, and were actually attempting tactics in battle with the mobile workers.
But the mecha design was just awful. None of the suits had personality aside from Barbatos. And Barbatos swinging that huge clamp/club thing on Earth was so ridiculous.
I did like them showing the pilot's cockpit deaths. And that the mobile suits didn't simply explode when a Gundam looked at them. That's realistic.
But give me a show set in the OYW about true grunts. Adults in their 20's and 30's, working to maintain GMs and Zakus. Having to observe military decorum. Not having purple hair, or red pupils, acting like fucking soldiers.
Christ.
/rant
>>14259059
More unwatchable shit no doubt.
>>14259865
>I went into this show hearing about how it would be like 08th MS Team: "All about the grunts."
Literally anyone and everyone here would tell you it's not about grunts or the little guys. It's just a smaller armed group going up against a much larger one with their advanced Gundam suits ala Zeta, Wing, 00, and to a lesser extent G-Reco.
>But give me a show set in the OYW about true grunts. Adults in their 20's and 30's, working to maintain GMs and Zakus. Having to observe military decorum. Not having purple hair, or red pupils, acting like fucking soldiers.
Watch Igloo and see how shit that really is in practice. Grunts make fucking boring stories that will literally only pander to a very, VERY small niche of autists like you
>>14259917
>Watch Igloo and see how shit that really is in practice. Grunts make fucking boring stories that will literally only pander to a very, VERY small niche of autists like you
I have watched IGLOO. Didn't enjoy the shit CGI or the endless prototypes they rolled out in every episode. Like those Mecha-tanks, or all the different Zeon suits that would "turn the tide of war."
08th MS Team showed the Feddy and Zeon bases engaged in typical grunt work. Doing maintenance on the suits, reloading ammunition, discussing tactics, soldiers fighting and stuff to satisfy their egos and let off steam, receiving mail call, being stationed somewhere remote and being bored out of their fucking minds.
This is all very real stuff that soldiers can relate to. One thing I neglected to mention in my previous post that IBO did well was the shock of losing a comrade. Paying tribute with a funeral, and the emotional cosequences was handled very well IMO.
I know Gundam is just used to sell toys. I get that. But within this fantastical setting with giant robots, I think there's great potential to tell a very grounded, HUMAN story as well. One that doesn't depend on Newtypes fighting for the destiny of mankind.
>>14259196
This image just gets me every time.
But it could be interesting if the series isn't focused on Tekkadan, but might involve them somehow.
One interesting idea that they will focus on anti-Galljhorn rebels, either in space or earth.
>>14259865
>But give me a show set in the OYW about true grunts. Adults in their 20's and 30's, working to maintain GMs and Zakus. Having to observe military decorum. Not having purple hair, or red pupils, acting like fucking soldiers.
Yeah anon, I want my shows to be boring as fuck too
>>14259941
>This is all very real stuff that soldiers can relate to
Why would I care if I'm not a soldier, then?
>>14260137
Stick to your Seed Destiny then.
>>14260146
Because it makes the world of Gundam feel that much more relatable to the everyman. Pretty sad that I have to spell this shit out.
>>14259941
>Doing maintenance on the suits, reloading ammunition, discussing tactics, soldiers fighting and stuff to satisfy their egos and let off steam
Isn't that stuff that happened in 0079?
>>14260152
Just watch LotGH.
Writing in Gundam will never be able to top it.
>>14260178
>LotGHfags
Fuck off, you people are the /m/ equivalent of Jojofags
>>14260186
Not that anon, but there isn't a single /m/ show with better writing than LotGH. Prove me wrong. Pro-tip:I'll be very happy if you do manage to prove me wrong
>>14260170
Yes, and 0079 is my favorite Gundam entry for that reason. World-building, great job at fleshing out characters and making them sympathetic. Just would prefer they left out the whole Newtype angle to it and focused on Oldtypes instead.
>>14260170
Yes, and 0079 is my favorite Gundam entry for that reason. Great world-building and great character development. Zeon were not all mustache-twirling bad guys. Feddies were not all squeaky-clean do-gooders. War was shades of gray, everyone doing what they felt was right and best.
I just wish they left out the focus on Newtypes for oldtypes, and all the gimmicky shit they threw in to sell model kits. But that's all Gundam is, of course. One long toy commercial.
>>14259941
>or the endless prototypes they rolled out in every episode.
I wonder why an evaluation team had a bunch of prototypes... Doesn't quite add up, you know?
Oh wait no, you're an idiot. That aspect was fucking great, watching the guy witness all those different test pilots go through tons of shit for their machines and the increasing desperation of them starting from a fully viable cannon system, to a variable tank that needed another week of development tops down to flying trash cans thrown together in whatever factory space was left and a tender built from a half-finished mobile armor for them, complete with child soldiers.
IGLOO was fucking great.
>>14260191
>>14260202
Weird, didn't show my first post for several minutes after I wrote it so I made a second post.
>>14259865
>None of the suits had personality aside from Barbatos.
This. I don't see why people love the Graze so much. It's bland as fuck.
>>14259865
>But give me a show set in the OYW about true grunts. Adults in their 20's and 30's, working to maintain GMs and Zakus. Having to observe military decorum. Not having purple hair, or red pupils, acting like fucking soldiers.
Can you people please fuck the hell off?
And what the hell is wrong with technicolor hair? It's anime. It comes with the medium. If you don't like the shit that comes with an anime being an anime you should just go masturbate to Generation Kill again. I don't have time to waste watching military SOL that involves exactly zero cute girls.
>>14260207
It had some elements that were very grunty, like you pointed out. But every fucking Gundam show is about one-off customs that are overpowered and shit.
I want a show about the guys that don't get any attention. The guys in the motorpool bitching about the parts deliveries. Mobile suits being cannibalized to keep other suits running. Guys having mobile suits break down in the field (like a car) because they're not always 100% reliable.
A good example of a premise that I think would be great is the start of Macross Plus. The government orders testing of two war machines (yes prototypes, I know) to decide which one would become the new grunt unit. The teams commence testing and deal with all kinds of setbacks, maybe sabotage, shit like that.
It would still be set during the wartime era, you get plenty of mech porn, but without the usual twinks flying around in colorful suits mowing down grunt units like a hot knife through butter.
A mobile suit, as a weapon of war, should be really hard to take out. When Shiro took on that lone Zaku in the jungle and nearly got killed in the process, that blew me away having first been introduced to Gundam by Wing. It was different, fresh, and much more realistic.
>>14260221
So all characters in every anime should have oversized eyes, and hair that defies gravity physics and human physiology because by it's very nature, it's a work of fiction. Gotcha.
>>14259125
Newtype is irrelevant now a days.
>>14260231
>>14260221
Please try to UNDERSTAND each other. People can like different things.
As a fan of 00, 08th MS Team, and Wing, would this show be up my alley?
>>14260237
I don't think its similar to any of those, so you'd have to check for yourself I think
>>14260237
Politics aside, I'd recommend it. Good story about brotherhood, sacrifice, honor, things of that nature.
>>14260237
No, it's kind of crap from an objective standpoint. The same things those shows did poorly, this show did poorly.
>>14260240
>>14260242
I'll give it a shot then. Last Gundam I tried watching was Reconguista in G and I stopped after episode 6 or so
>>14260237
Keep expectations low and go for it.
It's not as bad as some people here want you to think.
>>14260237
Gundam Garbage managed to be better.
>>14260246
Oh this is worse than that. I dropped this in episode 4.
>>14260258
>le IBO was worse than G Reco xDD
fucking Tominofags
>>14260261
I dropped Greco on episode 12.
>>14260265
Then you are just a regular fag
>>14260268
That would be you.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that had a blast with IBO. I watched it with my best friend, and it was just great fun.I'm a sucker for stories of brotherhood and friendship. And Mika's honestly pretty fucking based. We need more people like him in anime in general.
I'm not sure if this board was better before or after Greco and IBO aired.
It's certainly more entertaining now at very least.
>>14260261
It actually is though.
>>14260282
>And Mika's honestly pretty fucking based. We need more people like him in anime in general.
>>14260297
So not being a faggy betacunt is being edgy? Sure, he kills left and right without and issue, but that's also partly because that's his job and he's grown up killing. That aside, he's not some bitch boy, and says what he thinks and doesn't take a whole season to just hopefully hold hands with a girl he likes
>>14260312
Plenty of characters fit that bill without reaching his level. He's literally teleports-behind-you tier. The character you're describing is Setsuna, and even he was an autist.
>That aside, he's not some bitch boy, and says what he thinks
kek
>Orga, Orga, Orga, Orga, Orga
>and doesn't take a whole season to just hopefully hold hands with a girl he likes
The fuck are you even describing here?
>>14260146
why can you relate to terrorists, or child soldiers, or people who worship an elevator, or some kids fighting with magic toys? Because you have a sense of empathy you sperg
>>14260221
you had a decent argument until the part about zero cute girls
>>14260231
>So all characters in every anime should have oversized eyes, and hair that defies gravity physics and human physiology because by it's very nature, it's a work of fiction.
Yes please. With maximum floof.
>>14259865
>None of the suits had personality aside from Barbatos
Did it? What gives personality to mobile suits is the way they move, and mecha barely moved in this show.
>>14260237
Maybe?
>>14260312
The issue I have with Mikazuki is that he's boring. Call Amuro a whingy cunt if you want, but he grows out of it. You watch him change and grow into a competent and dedicated soldier. Mikazuki doesn't really have anything like that. There was potential to see him grow with his relationships and become accustomed to the world outside of killing. This in turn could give him the motivation to protect his friends in Tekkadan. We never really any of that though. Mikazuki doesn't show much passion for anything either. Geist isn't a betacunt and he's fun to watch because he takes passion in something. He's a murderer and he fucking loves it.
To be fair, I only watched IBO up to around episode 13. Maybe Mikazuki improves later on, but he sure didn't involve me enough to want to stick around.
>>14260359
Fucking this. If anything, anime character designs have gotten more subdued and homogenized in the past decade. We could use more character in designs than basic stylization.
>>14260345
>The character you're describing is Setsuna, and even he was an autist.
And 00 is almost a fucking decade old.
>Orga, Orga, Orga, Orga, Orga
Mika values and respects Orga as a brother, the same way Orga values and respects Mika. They rely on each other just as much, but are both capable of their own feats. Hell, the Tekkadan mutiny wouldn't have happened if Mika was against the idea. That's mutual trust and respect, and Mika's not afraid to call Orga out on his shit either, as he's done a few times.
>The fuck are you even describing here?
Like I said, in more anime in general, you dumb fuck, Now regarding "teleports behind you tier", well yea, no shit. Ein was superior to Mika in quite a lot of ways in that fight, of course it had to have finished in a cliche shounen trope, because this is a shounen series when it comes down to it. It's like bitching about the final showdown in westerns
>>14260152
Then why call it something soldiers can relate to, going as far as specifically outlining scenarios that only career military men would sympathize with?
>>14260367
Maybe "personality" is the wrong word. "Distinctiveness" is probably more what I meant. Barbatos looks unlike any other suit in the show because (rightfully) it's an old relic, and only one of 72 GUndam frames ever made in that timeline.
With that said, none of the other suits really stand out in any way. They're all boxy, have those Leo-type window panes for a face with some sort of mono-eyeball behind it. There was that one purple "Gundam" that looked nothing like a Gundam once it had all the armor installed on the frame. The one with the "four legs" or whatever.
Actually, Akihiro's suit with the big-ass shield was different too. So that makes three suits that looked unique.
But everything else on the show was bland. The Gjallarhorn grunt suits, Carta's elite units, even that last suit that Makazuki defeated in the finale. The one with the upgraded system. I can't be bothered to look up these suit names, but they're all lame and bland.
Contrast that with 0079. How many great, unique suits were in that? Tons. How about Wing? Tons of great suits there too.
>>14260405
>All Graze variants looked similar
No shit. Next you're gonna tell me that all the Sukhoi flanker variants are boring because they all look the same
>>14260404
You don't have to be a soldier to relate to all those situations. These guys are being paid to do a job. You ever work a job, anon? How about a shitty job? Ever bitch or complain because your bosses made you do something stupid, or boring, or tedious? Ever find creative ways to pass the time while on the job? See where I'm going with this?
>>14260405
>Kimaris
>no personality
pray to God I don't find you irl boi or i break u like like a twig fucboi
>>14260418
We should just make a Patlabor spinoff about the Paratrooper labors.
>>14260345
Actually he's describing Heero.
>>14260396
>And 00 is almost a fucking decade old
How is this a counterargument in the slightest?
>Mika values and respects Orga as a brother, the same way Orga values and respects Mika.
I think it kind surpasses that point when he accepts Orga's judgement without actually even hearing what Orga wants first on numerous occasions and claims he doesn't care about the details of anything because Orga will tell him what to do. And the writers do nothing with his dependency.
>Mika's not afraid to call Orga out on his shit either, as he's done a few times.
Citations, please.
>Like I said, in more anime in general, you dumb fuck
I can't think of a single series where that actually applies unless we're talking about really bad shoujo romances, which I'm fairly certain IBO isn't. I'm also fairly certain Mika doesn't actually have particularly strong feelings about anyone, including his junior harem.
>of course it had to have finished in a cliche shounen trope, because this is a shounen series
>Asspulls and plot armor are okay because they exist
>>14260431
Heero was a trained assassin, not a child soldier. Also, he was a showoff edgelord, not fucked in the head like Setsuna and not nearly as coldsteel as Mikazuki.
>>14260418
Well, I don't know what 08th MS Team you watched, because it had absolutely none of those things.
Bitching at bosses was involved, albeit for a completely different reason.
>>14260440
>I can't think of a single series where that actually applies unless we're talking about really bad shoujo romances, which I'm fairly certain IBO isn't.
Watch more anime
>>14260455
>Oh man, I like this girl so much.
>Does she like me back?
>I hope she does...
>Maybe one day I'll be able to hold her hand...!
>Yessss, after 12 episodes of filler and hard work, I finally get to hold hands with my crush!
Because this applies to a third of all protagonists. It's so irritating, thank you for enlightening me, anon, by not listing a single example of a series which fits this bill, letalone enough examples for it to actually qualify as cliched and annoying.
What was Mikazuki's character arc? I kinda dropped this show hard after the ridiculously unsubtle eathflag+flashback of Akihito's brother reminded me too much of Victory's worst parts.
>>14260474
Zeta Gundam.
Kamillie and Four hook up just about instantly.
>>14260478
He doesn't have one. Maybe in Season 2.
>>14260450
Oh really? So the 08th MS Team never received orders that made no sense because the commanding officers were out of touch with what was really going on on the ground? They weren't stationed out in the heat of the desert for days on end waiting for the Apsalus to show up? Michel wasn't pining for his love BB? Eledore wasn't spacing out and daydreaming about getting his song to play on the radio?
I think YOU need to rewatch the fucking show, anon.
>>14260474
Holy shit, why are you even on 4chan at all if you don't watch anime?
>>14260494
Newtype jibber jabber not cuz Kamille is the alpha dog.
>>14260512
>Kamillie
>Not an alpha dog
>>14260511
You have yet to actually refute anything, so some sad excuse for ad hominem isn't going to do any good. If you miscommunicated your point, you could always try correcting that mistake.
>>14260507
I don't exactly recall them excessively bitching and moaning about waiting to ambush a vital enemy asset, and pining for a distant lover and using a nearby radio to shoot the breeze aren't 'creative ways to pass the time'.
>>14260521
Not even the same guy, but that shit's all over anime. Why are you even here?
>>14260525
There are plenty of beta shits, sure. There are also plenty of long, drawn out romances that take ages for any payoff. What there aren't a lot of are 12 episodes of a guy pining over holding his crushes hand.
Also, this is /m/, not /a/.
>>14260522
Idk where this "excessively" thing is coming from, but I feel like you're still not getting my point.
I like that sort of normal, everyday shit because thats what non-anime people in the real world go through. Being bored. Being disrespected by elders or peers. Worrying about loved ones. Getting excited when a song comes on the radio. Having hopes and dreams for the future. Worrying about not accomplishing the things they want out of life.
Normal, everyday shit.
Now throw all that normal, boring shit into a Gundam world. Normal, everyday people worrying about normal, every day shit. Just in a world where wars fought by mobile suits is a normal thing.
Idk maybe you like 12 year old purple-haired twinks flying around in sparkly robots mowing down hundreds of enemies in one fell swoop with their overpowered armageddon weapons. Good on you if you do.
I like shit that is tad more grounded, but still in the realm of sci-fi mecha.
>>14260565
>boring shit
>in a medium and a genre that revolves around designing things that are supposed to be visually appealing and generally entertaining
Can't see where this can go wrong, no sir.
>>14260565
>Normal, everyday people worrying about normal, every day shit. Just in a world where wars fought by mobile suits is a normal thing.
Why not just watch a non mecha show at that point?
>muh grunts
>muh tacticool
>muh relatable characters
>grounded, down to earth
>if you don't like it stick to SEED
Realismfags are a cancer that should be purged by the Kaiser Blade.
>>14260565
Watch Patlabor if you somehow haven't seen it.
>>14260616
I don't even know why they are here. There has never been a realistic mecha anime. Even Takashi's stuff had mysticism, or took liberties for cool factor.
>>14260584
Tell me that 0080 didn't have stuff like this (think the life of a ten year-old boy having homework, skipping school, etc.), and that it isn't objectively one of the best entries in the Gundam franchise.
You can't.
>>14260633
Yeah, it's one of the best entries in the franchise, for reasons entirely unrelated to watching a little shit play truant.
>>14260616
Grunts can be cool too.
>>14260638
Oh, so seeing Alfred's coming of age, watching him experience firsthand the horrors and consequences of war, losing his best friend, etc. isn't what made it one of the best stories ever?
It was strictly the animation and flashy suits? Because that's what you're suggesting.
>>14260648
None of that is 'boring shit', though.
We didn't see Al have his fucking breakfast every day and worry about whether or not he'd get in trouble because he's too busy pissing education away through truancy, which is what you're suggesting judging from your comments.
Almost no-one cares about what minutiae there is, anyway, it's all about the 'feels' because Bernie tragically got killed by the person who sort of liked him.
>>14260667
Cool man I'm done beating this to death. You "win" good sir. :)
>>14260667
All that stuff is what made Al a believable kid. Stuff like drawing Zakus with his friends and debating which is the coolest, playing video games, and sneaking into millitary compounds to look at mobile suits because 'it's cool'. All that contributes to setting up his growth from a dumb kid who thinks war is cool, to a kid who understands the consequences of it. That's what makes Bernies friendship with Al so tragic. Its Al losing his innocence and seeing that adults aren't infallible.
>>14259125
Newtype polls are irrelevant and I suspect paid. There are always inconsistent rankings with them, sometimes shows barely anyone is watching have highly rated characters, like Akuma no Riddle.
Aside from obvious choices like Saber etc, they are not indicative of actual popularity. Kudelia seems low tier in popularity, not even more popular than characters like Gaelio going by fanart. Using destiny is odd since she can't be compared to Lacus nip popularity. If hypothetically she was sidelined she would not be so missed. There were keychains of popular characters and she didn't even get one iirc.
>>14260282
>I'm a sucker for stories of brotherhood and friendship
The relationships in this were shallow and far from brotherly. More like passive aggressive.
>>14261047
> TFW Kira's continued presence is actually Fukuda submitting votes each month.
I think it'll be a continuation of Tekkadan's story... but focus will be on new characters that join the group.
I mean, given the losses they sustained during their job to get Kudelia to Earth, they'll need to hire some new blood eventually, right?
Make one of the newbies the protag; have them inherit Kudelia's role of the naive outsider who wants to understand, or something. Then fucking TEAR HIM DOWN as much as possible, while having him continue to hold onto that idealism.
>>14261067
So... brotherly. Gotcha.
>>14261047
there's no foul play at work, that's just the subscriber base to Newtype. It's like you can't accept that people have shit taste exist.
>>14260565
Go watch Argevollen.
Interview with Okada:
https://karice.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/p507/#fnref-11282-1
https://karice.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/p508/
>>14260616
SKL is fucking garbage in all manners.
>>14261352
No. And certainly not in the way you claim it is.
>>14261469
Nagai confirmed to be a literal faggot
>>14261469
>Okada: When the director first told me in detail what he was aiming for, the feeling of “I want to do this” welled up inside of me. You could almost say that character feelings were too much at the forefront… For example, there weren’t really that many battle scenes in the first cour; there was even an entire episode on the characters going shopping. So I suggested things like “Perhaps we should do something like this?” and so on and so forth. I mainly added to the serious side of things.
What "serious" parts, I wonder. She also didn't tone down Kudelia's feelings quite enough, I can't imagine how much more annoying that could get. And--there could have been even LESS action? Wew.
>>14261649
>She also didn't tone down Kudelia's feelings quite enough
>Okada
>Toning down
>>14260643
Wasn't this from that one OVA from that one game? Is that game even canon? MSV? what is it?
>>14261662
The implication she's making is that that's exactly what she did. Saying feelings were "too much" at the forefront. Ironic coming from her.
>>14261668
Gundam Senki 0081. No games are canon. It's the game's opening sequence.
>>14261682
>No games are canon
So MSVs then, like Astray?
>>14261469
>Even with Mikazuki and Orga, whilst it had already been decided that their relationship would be the centre of this story,
That's news to me
They hardly interact
>>14260215
I agree. I liked the Mobile Workers well enough, then when the Grazes first showed up all I could think was "So these are this show's grunt mobile suits? They look so boring."
>>14261690
Watch it again.
>>14261694
I doubt there will be any new scenes and I didn't like it enough for another viewing.
>>14261684
MSV is as close to being canon as it gets. They're usually officially-endorsed designs but not all appear in animation. Some MSV designs to get chosen to appear in animation like the Gouf flight types and GM Cannons in Zeta's Jaburo invasion or the Aqua GMs and CCA-MSV models in Unicorn.
Almost all of 0081's designs are taken from existing canon, just redrawn with different proportions and styling by Katoki. For example, compare the two:
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/m-msv/rx-78-7.htm
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/0081/rx-78-7.htm
>>14261469
So this is the writer that had everyone's knickers in a twist?
She doesn't seem all that bad.
In fact it sounds like she spent most of her time trying rein Nagai in which is a good thing.
>>14261705
Best GM type
>>14261714
Ayyyy
>>14260418
>All this talk about job
Too bad the core audience for anime are NEETs.
>>14260282
liked it a lot too
>>14260405
Grazes, Grazes everywhere.
>>14261707
She acknowledges people's expectations of her being a "drama queen" so it seems her reputation extends even to nip fans.
The "reigning in" didn't do shit for the show in the end. The claim that Kudelia isn't supposed to be a naive little rich girl who knows nothing of the world when that's exactly how she's shown in the show.
>>14260228
>A mobile suit, as a weapon of war, should be really hard to take out.
By that same token, the Russians shouldn't have lost thousands of tanks during Operation Barbarossa because they're weapons of war and 'really hard to take out'.
Even a fucking Abrams can be totaled with a well-aimed ATGM.
>>14259865
>And that the mobile suits didn't simply explode when a Gundam looked at them. That's realistic.
How can say for sure that's realistic?
Realistically speaking Gundam is just a statue at gundam front in Japan. By the time we will be able to actually churn out mobile suit, we might be doing it for lulz and to show the technological prowess .Hence , making anything explode with Gundam's Gaze is the most realistic thing to do with that kind of level in tech.
>>14259865
>hearing how it would be like 08th ms team
>>14259865
>they landed right on the fucking island where the old man was exiled. How fucking convenient?
It wasn't a convenient accident, dumbass, the island is where they were going. They did it on purpose. Lots of other shows have the characters need to travel for several days after making earthfall because those shows either have the characters no know where their destination actually is and/or a battle during re-entry forces them off-course. This isn't the first time someone's gone straight to their target on re-entry. The AEUG assault in Zeta dropped right where they wanted to.
>But give me a show set in the OYW
NO.
Enough with the fucking One Year War already.
>>14262552
>Enough with the fucking One Year War already
Well it's not like the Gryps conflict or the Neo Zeon war had enough development to get any more side stories than they already do. OYW was also the best time for good choreography since it wasn't all rocket tag yet.
>>14263289
How about something new that isn't expanding on an existing conflict?
>>14263289
It shouldn't be too difficult to create side stories in the First Neo Zeon War. If they can easily shoehorn new stuff into the already crammed One Year War.
But of course since ZZ is one of the less popular UC entries that's not going to happen.
>>14259059
So did anyone translate the Newtype article which mentions the changes Okada was forced to make to the story?
>>14263332
Yeah anon, that's never sucked.
I liked the show and thought the pacing was fine overall because it was trying to tell one story rather some larger conflict. I think people were expecting it to depict a larger mars revolution, but I think if you just treat it as a contained story it's not bad.
I'd rather see new characters be the protagonists with Tekkadan showing up here and there. They have a lot of universe to flesh out
>>14263357
>That one time didn't work out so well so we should never try again
You have a brilliant future as a Sunrise executive.
>>14263357
PG Xi when?
>>14263369
>one time
>>14263381
I wasn't counting 0083 as it's own conflict because it bridges 0079 and Zeta, plants the seeds for the Gryps Conflict.
Also at least nowadays it seems to be popular enough.
>>14263381
Thats besides the point.
You talk like half the OYW side stories aren't shit as well.
>>14263365
The way I see it most of the hate stems from a few autists still pissed off about G-Reco not being as well received as they had hoped it would be and trying
The show was completely fine. A shoonen mecha show was a nice change of style compared to the usual massive space operas and formulaic retellings of 0079.
>>14263403
Except in every IBO thread since the show ended people have presented reasonable reasons for disliking it.
It's only a handful of retards who come screaming how it was shit and G-Reco is great, so they can have a shitposting war with the retards who think IBO is perfect and the only reason anyone could have problems with it is being a salty Grecofag.
>>14263402
That's not what I meant to convey, but at the very least there are a couple good ones. The same can't necessarily be said about independent UC side stories.
>>14263454
Is this kind of thinking that drove the UC to stagnation.
The only reason there are a few good stories amongst the shitty ones in OWY/Early UC setting is because there are more works set in that time period.
A good independent or even Late UC work would appear eventually if UC wasn't now so tied to OYW and Zeon that even the fans reject the idea of trying new things
>>14263423
So if you praise IBO about something it means you are a retard that thinks it's perfect?
Ok.
>>14259206
Bushido'd Gaelio fucking shit up in Kimaris Repair when
>>14263533
I never said that. Learn how to read you fucking retard.
>>14263499
That seems right. I think it has more to do with the fact that people are less likely to actually try different things with UC since they don't want to impose on Tomino's main timeline too much, so they instead write around it, whether it be through AUs or OYW, Gryps, etc. This is probably why stuff like Turn A and G-Reco can manage to be refreshing for Gundam while stuff like 0083, Unicorn, or Hathaway's Flash can do everything wrong.
But AUs are just as responsible for the stagnation as UC side stories. Almost every one of them had been recycling the same character archetypes and plot progression from the very beginning just with different mobile suit designs. The source of the problem was probably shitty producers and shitty writers that just spread influence over a couple decades like a cancer. If we could get something well-written and disconnected from the rest for once, AU or not, it'll be what we need.
>>14263536
nips liked him so much they called him 主人公 everytime he appeared, especially the last few episodes.
but he ain't coming back brah, he's good as dead.
>>14263562
>主人公
What the hell does it mean and why would that matter to his popularity?
>>14263557
>Almost every one of them had been recycling the same character archetypes and plot progression from the very beginning just with different mobile suit designs.
So just like UC series?
>>14263557
Yeah, pretty much. I do think some AUs try adding new spins to the old formulas, even when it goes wrong.
IBO had colonies on a terraformed Mars, something Gundam haven't touched much, plus it was about mercenaries on an escort mission and had that whole Yakuza-like angle, that all could have made for a fresh Gundam story even if the background is similar to stuff we've seen before.
00 had that semi-realistic geopolitic backdrop, complete with some real world political tensions (like Setsuna and Lockon's backgrounds), Age tried to have a generation-spanning story which can be a neat concept.
They all failed miserably by several reasons like bad writters, creative differences in the staff, execcutive meddling and so on. Not to mention they degenerated back into the same rehashing of old concepts losing whatever attempt at originality they had as the series went on.
>>14263610
0079-CCA were fine. There was only much recycling at all in Zeta, all of which was done for theming rather than tokenism, and all of which was still appropriately twisted to suit that end. F91 was fine, and so was Victory. Even Crossbone stood okayish on it's own even if it did suck anyways.
Meanwhile we have Wing, SEED, 00S2, half the UC OVAs, and so on. It's been repeated ad nauseam at this point.
>>14263562
Don't be a faggot tell us what that means
>>14263593
>>14263695
There are such things as online Japanese-English dictionaries.
>>14263749
then tell that nigga to stop being a tease goddamnit
>>14263686
The problem is that the Gundam fanbase chimps out when a series tries something actually different, UC or not.
>>14263822
The point that was made earlier was that problem evolved from bad writing, bad producers, etcetera.
>>14263562
>主人公
Just say "protagonist" next time, you weeb.
>>14263856
>people think Gaylio is the protagonist
>>14263864
I didn't imply that.
>>14263864
I assume anon was implying he was more liked than the actual protag by japan hence why he was called such.
>>14263403
I've seen tons of criticisms for the show both on /m/ and outside of it. You have to be nuts and delusional to think a handful of greco fans are behind it. I dropped both halfway through. IBO was just too uninteresting and the characters were a cliche bore.
>>14263893
Co-sign. I've talked to a bunch of people outside of /m/, and I've gotten a lot of different responses about IBO. People are pointing out how weak the writing is, how poorly the show is paced, how one-sided the battles are and the amounts of off-model animation. Show finished and no one outside of Reddit seemed to care much.
And I really, really think people are overestimating how popular the show is. Mecha and Gundam are niche, and I haven't seen this show break out the way most big anime do. When I think of the most popular anime, I expect to see traces of it everywhere. One Punch Man, Gurren Lagann, Jojo, Attack on Titan, Kill La Kill, Sword Art Online; when things are big in the West you tend to see it spread through forums and nerd-sites. But IBO? Barely a pulse.
>>14264018
IBO is still more popular than parody stu anime and the quintuplets anime
youre underestimating it
>>14264018
Can you point out one Gundam show that had as big a presence as those shows?
Not counting Wing and G in the 90's?
>>14264018
I think AZ is the most recent mecha that had some noticeable online presence and even that was pretty small. IBO is even smaller. The fact that the season ended without much to speculate over, no teaser etc doesn't help.
Whatever mecha show trigger is bringing out will probably overshadow everything when it comes to western audience.
>>14263822
I see it as a vicious cycle.
> Studio tries something different but fucked it up (e.g. AGE, IBO)
> both fans and producers feels burned by it
> quickly retreat to safe comfort of familiar territories and become less willing to step outside it instead of trying it again
>>14265357
At this rate it'll be all-UC, all the time, being impenetrable to everyone but the older fans. At least GBF in general apparently hasn't burned all the bridges yet.
>>14263822
We all liked 00
