So I just marathoned Delta up to the latest episode, and I have to say...
Holy fuck, how the hell is it so much BETTER than both G-Reco and IBO? How is it able to be a good show when both the latest installments of Gundam were such dogshit? I can't even put my finger on it.
>>14241341
> Yet a third LULZ MACROSS BETTER THAN GUNDAM thread today
Yawn.
longer wait, more time to plan, same madman of a director. Its like that Bruce lee saying about a man doing a kick 1000 times being better than a man learning 1000 different kicks.
Well, let's look at what Delta has that those other two shows don't.
Delta has cute alien girls. IBO and G-Reco do not. I don't think we need to go any farther than that.Also it's not taking itself seriously and compared to IBO the plot actually moves at a good pace
So what is Delta like? I didn't really give a shit about Frontier so I wasn't in a hurry to watch this, and the fact that there are even more idols now didn't help either
>>14241354
Alien life in Delta has been extremely disappointing to me as of yet. Why can't we have imaginative creatures like these again? Miyatake needs to come back soon.
>>14241359
Space Belka uses bioweapons to conquer neighbors. Weaponized idols have been dispatched to counteract the infection.
Gundumb hasn't been good in like forever. Frontier was better than any Gundumb show ever.
Because it hasn't been milked to death
>>14241371
Aw shit that's some cool concept art, thanks anon. As for why we don't have aliens like that again? We had the vajra which had some cool designs in the movies. Delta seems to be focusing more on humanoid aliens this time around but maybe there'll be an episode with crazy space dinosaurs like 7.
IBO is just another non-budget AU toy commercial, so let's disregard that one.
The one that should be compared to Delta is G-Reco, as the show that was directed by the creator of Gundam and had effort put into it. And the reason why Delta is good and G-Reco is bad is because Tomino lost his touch a long time ago, but even Tomino at his best is still worse than Kawamori. Plus Kawamori learned from his mistakes and Delta is fixing some of the things that Frontier did wrong.
>>14241423
>Plus Kawamori learned from his mistakes and Delta is fixing some of the things that Frontier did wrong.
Like the love triangle being so prominent early on and the slow pace. Not to mention the villains being actual characters now.
>>14241371
>>14241389
Yeah, it's odd how the only aliens we really see in Macross, aside from the Protodevlin and Vajra, are humanoid Protoculture descendants. Again, aside from the bug-like Vajra that the Protoculture tried to emulate, surely there must have been some non-humanoid sentient life around the galaxy somewhere.
>>14241389
No problem dude. Have some Protodevlin on the house. The Vajra were pretty nice creature designs, but there wasn't a lot of variety IMO. I'm hoping for a Lux dino sort of callback too!
>>14241433
You know all of that looks so great, except the dinky bouncing targeting reticule and the 2D/3D swapping makes it look like a video game and kills the moment.
>>14241444
There are other alien life we see. Like the chimera aliens from Plus and Frontier, the animals on Zola, the catfish on Ragna.
>>14241448
what if the NUNGs manages to get the tech that the protoculture used to make Protodeviln bodies?
>>14241487
You get a new Macross game.
>>14241444
They're just non-sentient because the Protoculture made them look like them.
>>14241433
did his ejecto seato malfunction?
>>14241531
No he ejected too slow
>>14241536
seems like he ejected in time, but the seat didn't push him far away enough
>>14241377
frontier was boring as fuck
probably has to do with the fact that a lot more time is spent on each new installment of Macross. While Sunrise is always rushing to pump out a new Gundam series, perhaps I'm right in thinking that the extra time between Macross is spent more thoroughly conceiving the next series?
>>14241561
It's spent letting Kawamori try some new weed and do all his shit ideas on other shows
>>14241341
It's better because it's simply mediocre as opposed to being outright horrific. Compared to Greco, the art, animation, and music are absolute hogwash. But G-Reco's script and pacing are so utterly terrible that it overpowers the fantastic audiovisual aspects. As for IBO, Delta is better in that it has an actual budget behind it, so you get actual mecha fights as opposed to boring ass politics and SUGOI KUDELIA every fucking episode with a single spinning Barbatos cel because they couldn't afford any animators unlike Greco.
Delta by itself is mediocre, especially when you compare it to Frontier. The music is uninspired, the character and mecha designs aren't any better and in some aspects even worse than Frontier, and the CGI isn't better than any modern mecha show like A/Z. The story is just beginning so I can't say too much about that, but the characters (especially the idols and wind fuckboys) are generic and predictable. It's only watchable because there's consistent amounts of mecha action, fanservice, and some semblance of a plot. But it's nothing to write home about, waifufags be damned.
>>14241568
>the art, animation, and music are absolute hogwash.
I'll fight you motherfucker. Walkure tracks > G-Reco anything.
>>14241568
>It's only watchable because there's consistent amounts of mecha action, fanservice, and some semblance of a plot.
What more do you need? Delta is better than IBO and Reco because it's actually ENTERTAINING. It's not meant to be a fucking masterpiece, hell there isn't a single Macross show that ever was a masterpiece.
>>14241600
You could say that for any mecha show. I can't think of anything I'd call a masterpiece. But pretty much this. Delta is just plain fun.
>>14241585
>Jpop shit being any better than TSAUKAME PURAIDO
It's even more sad when you compare it to Yoko Kanno's work on Frontier.
>>14241600
>What more do you need? Delta is better than IBO and Reco because it's actually ENTERTAINING.
Something can be both entertaining and mediocre. See: typical Hollywood action movie. Sure as hell doesn't make it good.
>>14241615
>It's even more sad when you compare it to Yoko Kanno's work on Frontier.
Just to clarify, Frontier's J-pop songs are far more memorable and well-made than anything we've heard so far in Delta.
>>14241622
Opinions. Ikenai Borderline and Walkure Attack are still stuck in my head. And if you look at Amazon.jp sales charts, Walkure songs are at the top right now. The songs are good.
>>14241354
>those girls
>cute
>>14241600
>It's not meant to be a fucking masterpiece, hell there isn't a single Macross show that ever was a masterpiece.
Maybe not masterpieces, but every single Macross show has been far more ambitious in every aspect compared to Delta. Every Macross series is distinctly different in every aspect and has something unique for them to be remembered by, for better or worse. Even 7, which gets the most hate, outshines Delta in just how camp and over-the-top it presented itself. Delta has been utterly unremarkable and generic so far. It's no better than LOGOS.
>>14241637
>not cute
>>14241644
>flat faces
>mosquito instead of noses
>mongoloid eyes
Please, Delta's character design is simply disgusting.
And that is supposed to be a magazine spread, not even animation.
>>14241630
>And if you look at Amazon.jp sales charts
Stopped reading right there, are you seriously going to use sales as an indicator of good music? Do you really want to go down that rabbit hole?
>>14241656
Considering /m/ uses sales charts to back up when their favorite show is good or not, yes. Maybe you're just going to pull the "sales only matter when I say it does" bullshit.
>>14241650
>>14241659
/m/ isn't a hivemind you twat, and most people use sales charts to shitpost with. If you ever believed that they were a credible representation of "good taste", you are a spineless faggot.
>>14241678
If Delta's soundtrack had poor sales you would've just used that against me with some "witty" greentext remark
>delta's music good
>barely in the top 100 on amazon
Go fuck yourself. Money talks.
Arguing neckbeards do nothing to help the franchise.
I thought the mini live would be a small turnout...boy was I fucking wrong.
>>14241706
Arguing neckbeards help no one but it is entertaining.
>>14241685
>If Delta's soundtrack had poor sales you would've just used that against me with some "witty" greentext remark
I've never bothered looking at sales threads on /m/, but keep deluding yourself into thinking /m/ a singular entity out to get you and your shitty show.
>money talks
And that is why the current anime industry is filled with spineless easy to please Otaku NEETS, but I'm sure you have no problem with it given your Michael Bay-tier taste you shit-eating fuck.
>>14241678
"Good taste" has nothing to do with what sells and whats popular.
We're talking about popularity here, so you can take your hipster "good tasting" cock and shove it up your anus
>>14241717
>We're talking about popularity here
Nice goalpost moving. >>14241630
>>14241712
All those gang signs.
>>14241714
There's something very funny about calling someone else spineless from the safety of your computer.
>>14241712
>>14241728
>There's something very funny about calling someone else spineless from the safety of your computer.
...are you serious?
>>14241728
You do know what website you're on right? If it hurts your feelings so much fuck off back to Tumblr.
>>14241341
>Holy fuck, how the hell is it so much BETTER than both G-Reco and IBO?
It's...not. It's ironic how Delta is even less ambitious than G-Reco and IBO and has been essentially on auto pilot for 7 episodes now. If you think it's "better" you're probably just a die hard Macross fag from macrossworld who think every Macross is automatically better than Gundam.
>>14242236
Nice projecting, faggot. Go on back to tumblr now.
>>14242238
Great argument
>>14241568
>But G-Reco's script and pacing are so utterly terrible that it overpowers the fantastic audiovisual aspects.
Found the retard
>>14241600
>Delta is better than IBO and Reco because it's actually ENTERTAINING
Going by reception in Japan more people thought IBO was more ENTERTAINING than Delta as it is now and given how its essentially being ignored here in the west that's probably the same. So far the only people who like Delta are people who hated Frontier. ENTERTAINMENT is different for everyone and just as they're people who can't sit through IBO's dull characters and boring plot they're people who can't sit through Delta's dull characters and boring plot.
>>14241423
Delta isn't even directed by Kawamori, he hasn't directed a Macross since Zero and even taken as a whole the first episode of Delta was a miss and everything from art, music and even characters are a step down from Frontier which is why its not getting nowhere near the same about of hype.
>>14241354
>Mikumo
>alien
She's a robot bro
>>14242255
>Delta as it is now and given how its essentially being ignored here in the west
Jesus christ I can't tell if you're baiting or just a retard.
Macross doesn't get any official coverage in the West because of Harmony Gold, and even then Delta is talked about all over /m/. Fuck off.
>>14242255
>Found the retard
Spoken like a true Grectard
>>14242275
>M-m-m-m-m-muh HARMONY GOLD
How many time Macrossfags are gonna use this excuse? When Frontier came out it pretty much exploded and had a lot of people talking and discussing it, Delta barely has any other than die hard Macrossfags and waifufags.
>>14242277
At least you're not denying it.
>>14242255
>Going by reception in Japan
aka your asshole
>>14242275
Harmony Gold doesn't prevent people for talking and watching the episode online retard.
>>14242281
It's been tracking worse than IBO ironic considering Macrossfags were claiming that the idol aspect of it will make it sell as much as Love Live when it was first released and even shit like Sakamoto has been ranking higher than it.
>>14242280
>Delta barely has any other than die hard Macrossfags and waifufags.
Delta has literally the same amount of threads as G-reco, and it hasn't even gotten halfway through. 2008 /m/ isn't 2016 /m/.
>>14242289
So the source is your asshole. Thanks for confirming.
>>14242290
>Delta has literally the same amount of threads as G-reco
Cool bullshit bro
>>14242298
less bullshit than your sales numbers bro
>>14242293
>Blah blah blah I'm not listening
>>14242304
Sales aren't even out yet. But you're still wrong.
>>14242308
>Sales aren't even out yet.
So... all your claims were indeed out of your asshole.
Thanks for the confirmation, Grectard.
>>14242311
>>So... all your claims were indeed out of your asshole.
Except I said nothing about sales Mactard. Continue to fail much like your show
>>14242255
>Going by reception in Japan
You mean this? >>14241712
Yeah, you're full of shit.
>>14242315
Ratings and sales go hand-in-hand dipshit. What the fuck do you think TV views are for?
>>14242318
>One single picture for promotion means something
O-okay
>>14242320
>Ratings and sales go hand-in-hand dipshit
I wasn't talking about either,
>>14242326
So you had to make an imaginary metric just to prove your point. great job.
>>14242318
Hey two can play it that game!
I guess people liked Captain Earth right?
>>14242331
>imaginary metric
>>14242308
You're not very smart are you?
>>14242322
That's the mini-live you dumbass, and the tickets sold out an hour before the performance even began.
Leave it to the Grectard to not learn how to reverse image search.
>>14242337
Source: Your asshole
>>14242341
>hurr durr im a massive retard
http://news.dwango.jp/2016/05/15/89552/animeseiyu/
>>14241341
Both IBO and Delta are dogshit. G-Reco was the only one that had me interested from beginning to end.
>>14242347
>I can't read moon
Kek. Also not everyone in that stand were ticjet buyers either. It was fucking promotion.
>>14242348
Nobody can blame you if your favorite thing to watch are trainwrecks, anon.
>select all images with trains
like fucking pottery
>>14242356
>trainwrecks
This word sure has lost all meaning has it?
>>14242353
>Also not everyone in that stand were ticjet buyers either.
So there were even MORE people there who wanted to join but couldn't because they couldn't buy any tickets on time.
Thanks for arguing against yourself.
>>14242359
It did when it turned square
>>14242363
>So there were even MORE people there who wanted to join but couldn't because they couldn't buy any tickets on time.
>>14242308
Like fucking pottery. I guess Delta fags are just delusional at this point.
>>14242356
Nah it kept me engaged because the story and characters were interesting. Not sure how it was a trainwreck other than you not liking it or being too stupid to follow it. Delta and IBO are just dull to watch in compariosn.
Delta is showing signs of being a more coherent competent show than frontier overall. Most obvious part to this is the fact we have compelling baddies for the first time since SDF-1. Not personality-less vajra bugs, but not superrobot esque carciatures of characters like 7 either. The plot of two child races of the protoculture duking it out over their legacy has a real potential. The show has a nice blend of all macross elements, but is potentially going to be more story driven this time. And combat is Valk on Valk action.
Granted, frontier's role was to bring macross back on the map, and it did that brilliantly. But its also why the show pandered to literally everyone, it used any means to draw an audience. Not saying delta doesn't pander too, of course it does, but its free to do its own thing more.
>>14242368
That doesn't disprove your faulty logic in the slightest, but okay.
>>14242369
>Nah it kept me engaged because the story and characters were interesting.
Tranwrecks can be interesting, doesn't mean they're any good.
>too stupid to follow it
You're stupid if you think the plot or characters made any kind of sense. Unless you're some faggot from Evageeks who needs to come up with fifty different reaching theories to justify a single retarded action.
>>14242373
>Delta is showing signs of being a more coherent competent show than frontier overall.
That's not saying much at all
>>14242377
>faulty logic
How is it faulty? You literally didn't even read the article and just made an assumption out your ass.
>>14242377
>Tranwrecks can be interesting
Nope. I sure as fuck didn't think Valvrave, Guilty Crown or Comic Lucifer were interesting just bad.
>I didn't get any of it so that makes you stupid
It's okay to admit you couldn't understand a show for children but don't lash out on others because of it.
>>14242380
>You literally didn't even read the article and just made an assumption out your ass.
Just like your imaginary not-sales not-ratings claims of people not liking Delta, right?
Also, it does mention it. You can even see the old threads in the archive from various different anons talking about it, but feel free to ignore that and make up your own claims like the typical delusional grectard.
>>14242377
Hilarious enough G-Reco wasn't hard to follow at all, the people who hate it are just dumb.
>>14242383
>It's okay to admit you couldn't understand a show for children
Which is why it was aired at midnight in Japan, right? Unless you actually believe Yoshiyuki "G-Reco takes place after Turn A" Tomino as a legitimate source.
>>14242386
>imaginary
>>14242308
Like pottery and I wasn't even talking about sales or ratings either.
>Also, it does mention it. You can even see the old threads in the archive from various different anons talking about it
Cool bullshit bro
>>14242392
>Director says he made the show for children to watch with their parents
>HURR DURRR HE'S WRONG BECAUSE IT AIRED AT MIDNIGHT
DVR is still a thing bro
all anime is for children. Yes even the hardcore pornography. Now let's move on
>>14242393
>Like pottery and I wasn't even talking about sales or ratings either.
Yeah, we know, you love your imaginary numbers that you counted as you rammed your G-Self up your as.
>>14242393
>Cool bullshit bro
pottery aside
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/141597772/#141601876
>>14242398
Which is why there were SO MANY Greco Gunpla, right?
Yeah, Tomino can say whatever he wants, but the show was never marketed to kids.
>>14242408
>If an /a/non said it that means it must be true right?
Doesn't even have a source to back it up.
>>14241341
They're all shit dude.
>>14242410
Kids don't buy Gunpla anymore let alone care about Gundam.
>>14242408
>imaginary numbers
Haven't even posted numbers
>/a/
KEK
>>14242414
>Doesn't even have a source to back it up.
Guess you just have no reading comprehension then, since it was mentioned in that thread.
>>14242418
More bullshit claims, just what you needed to help your argument.
>>14242420
>Haven't even posted numbers
You don't need numbers to shitpost son, you just need to say you have them. Which you never had anyway.
>>/a/
I love this meme.
Totally anecdotal. But I personally enjoy delta but not the other two shows.
I think most people are similiar
>>14242436
>I think most people are similiar
no, you're just a tasteless faggot
>>14242429
>Literally taking a word from a random anon
>citing anyone's claims as bullshit
>>14242449
>not reading the various Delta threads where the event was mentioned in extreme detail by several anons
>makes retarded claim about Gunpla that literally everyone knows is bullshit
At least try, grecturd.
>>14242429
>bullshit claims,
Accept its true retard. The primary buyers of Gunpla aren't kids
>>14242453
The primary buyers of High Grades and SDs are kids, dumbfuck. Why do you think there are safety nubs on the V-fins for them and not the RGs and MGs?
>>14242440
I guess you're right, I like more Gundam shows than there are macross shows in total. Just not these last two!
>>14242483
I'm just going to guess but I think you're liking Delta more than IBO because the pacing was fucking horrible in IBO especially in the middle.
>>14242452
>>14242461
>The primary buyers of High Grades and SDs are kids, dumbfuck
Wrong again retard
>>14242489
It just didnt grip me. Also my reply was obviously a jab at the person that replied to me earlier.
>>14242461
>The primary buyers of High Grades and SDs are kids,
Yeah....in the 90s not so much now.
>>14242500
>Wrong again retard
Great counterargument.
>Nobody in this thread has made a valid argument as to why Delta is better than IBO and G-Reco
We at macrossworld are laughing.
>>14242500
>Wrong again retard
Wow, you totally predicted what my reply to you would be!
Wrong again retard!
>>14242531
I would say because it's fun. That's in general why I tend to like macross shows more. They're fun.
But pacing comes to mind as well. Still it's too early to tell in my opinion
>>14242532
>>14242521
Totally not a samefag
>>14242535
>MUH FUN
There's sone retards who thought IBO was fun even uf you desect the show bit by bit to show them how dull and unengaging it was they'll just say it was because of a single aspect.
>HURR DURR NO BEAM SPAM
>HURR DURR MUH UGLY WAIFU
>HURR DURR CHOCOCHAR
Some people just have bad tastes.
>>14242539
>There can't possibly be someone else who thinks I'm a retard!
>>14242539
I would post a screenshot, but you would go full autist and decry it as a photoshop as usual.
glad to see tominofags and aufags can unite in their asspain. keep it up, cucks.
>>14242461
>The primary buyers of High Grades and SDs are kids
Derringer said that the average Nip-gunpla builder has between 40 and 50 years.
The word you are looking for is manchild, not kid.
>>14242550
>Derringer said that the average Nip-gunpla builder has between 40 and 50 years.sauce on that
>>14242545
>>14242546
>>14242548
Here's your (you)
>>14242554
First two replies weren't even a minute apart, you delusional fuck.
>>14242548
>mfw nobody but waifufags give a shit about Delta
>mfw its doing worse than IBO
Yeah...its because it takes longer to make so they can have the best quality right?
>>14242554
don't you have a puru thread to jerk it to? maybe a haman thread where you fantasize about being pegged by her?
>>14242560
>...
>>14242561
kek. only 10 seconds later and you were btfo about shit gundam waifuism.
>>14242561
>A Macross is saying when Threads are all about how much people want to jack off to Freya and Mikumo
>>14242560
>waifufags as an excuse
Oh look, it's an Asukafag. This explains your entire retardation, I suppose.
>>14242560
>doing worse than IBO
by what metric?
>>14242568
>muh lickable tomino pussies
>muh kudelia onahole
yah you faggots are so much better. best fanbase, indeed.
>>14242576
The amount of times he's been pegged, apparently. Since its not ratings or viewings or sales.
>>14242578
>>14242571
>Two G-Reco threads
>one IBO threads
>barely any mention of waifus
>first Delta thread
>I WANNA SUCK Freya's RUNE!
>>14242576
>MAL score
>ANN score
>preorder rank
>General reception
>mods will never be on /m/
>>14242587
>>MAL score
>>ANN scoreGreco still ranked lower than Delta using those anyway
>>14241382
>Because it hasn't been milked to death
No, the reason Macross ends up being better than most modern Gundam series is that the story is put beforehand the merchandising. Now don't mistake me, the power of merchandise is powerful in Macross, cds, model airplanes, figures etc... But they take a backseat to the story. Gundam doesn't work like that anymore. So you end up with literally 25 minutes commercials for gunplas and all else be damned.
>>14242585
>comparing thread counts between a currently airing show and shows that have finished or are on hiatus
wew you lads are desperate. how long was that kudelia onahole thread up again? a month?
>>14242591
>No, the reason Macross ends up being better than most modern Gundam series is that the story is put beforehand the merchandising
TOP
FUCKING
KEK
>>14242590
So? I was talking about IBO
>>14242591
>No, the reason Macross ends up being better than most modern Gundam series is that the story is put beforehand the merchandising.
I seriously hope you're trolling. Frontier was more preoccupied with ships and music than focusing on its own fucking story. 7 had more than half of its runtime dedicated to pointless filler episodes which ia why it had a poorly developed cast and shitty Saturday morning villians with a bare bones story.
>>14242599
The fact that you even used those two sites as a good ranking indicator shows how desperately you're reaching.
>>14242596
>ALL DIS ASSPAIN
You're done bitch.
>>14242605
Not really. As terrible as they are they represent the mindset of current anime fandom. Unless you think /m/'s opinion is relevant at all.
>>14242603
>Frontier was more preoccupied with ships and music than focusing on its own fucking story
O can't even remember the story or what the villians motives were, if Delta is doing something right its developing the villians which the franchise had not done since fucking SDF
>>14242591
>the reason Macross ends up being better than most modern Gundam series is that the story is put beforehand the merchandising
Yeah...you know those scenes with Walkure singing and dancing, Freya singing the ending theme, or anytime a VF sorties? You're pushing merchandise. You can make the argument that those are all story elements but then you can make the same case for Gundam.
>>14242621
I think you're confusing putting one thing before the other with not considering one of the two at all.
>>14242635
No I'm. How the fuck is a idol singing group not pushing merchandise ut a character riding in a mech os?
>>14242591
>story is put beforehand the merchandising.
have you even seen Delta? Have you seen the subtitles in the original aired version? EVERY TIME a Walkure song comes on, a subtitle says when and where it will be available to purchase.
I love Macross man, but c'mon, open your eyes.
>>14242635
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. What we have here folks is a double standard.
>>14241341
Better story, better character, better mechs, better setting, better music...
It is really that difficult to accept that Kawamori is SUPERIOR to anything that today's Sunrise-so-called Gundam animation comitee has to offer?
Pro tip: NEVER EVER use Mari Okada without proper guidance for a /m/ show
>>14241565
Seems to work better than feeding Tomino raw cocaine, and collecting his shit into Gundam.
>>14242659
>Better story, better character, better mechs, better setting
Here’s the standard Macrossfag argument; its better because I say so.
>>14241685
It's nice to see that /a/'s retarded stalker threads have infected /m/ as well.
![24011[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PYgkLIb.jpg "24011[1].jpg")
Kawamori's been practicing with Aquarion Evol/Logos, AKB0048, Nobunaga the Fool.
It's not surprising that come time to make another Macross he knows how to bring it all together
>>14242707
Question.
Never watched Aquarion besides EVOL, but i'm aware of the general story (more or less).
Are the original and Logos better, worse or on par with Evol? Since the latter was somewhat meh but not too hard to watch.
![aquarion-03-mp4-00001-e1437253985582[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/W4NVAmo.png "aquarion-03-mp4-00001-e1437253985582[1].png")
>>14242713
Genesis was OK with some fun moments
EVOL started off really promising but really went to shit in the second half
Logos was good fun all the way through
>>14242757
Well sounds about right, EVOL caught my eye with the first two episodes then it went weird.
Guess i'll start watching Genesis.
>>14242713
Aquarion is very wacky and unfocused but sort of charming in a weird early-00s kind of way. The OVA was pretty good though
Evol is great for like half the series and then drops the ball
Logos I haven't watched but the people who did say it's pretty good
>>14242713
Logos is an AU by the way.
>>14242605
Dude, MAL is the biggest Western anime site with thousands of users (some series have 350k votes). You're in full denial mode if you think its stats don't reflect the opinions of Western anime fans.
>>14242707
>It's not surprising that come time to make another Macross he knows how to bring it all together
No wonder its so shit.
>>14241341
In my opinion? Delta is just plain more fun to watch.
Every episode is something different, they did a good job of avoiding the 'Var outbreak of the week' formula that they easily could have fallen into. It spent 5 episodes setting up the conflict and getting us comfortable with the characters, but now that we are all buckled in if ep 6 is any indication the ride is about to begin.
The pacing is good, the setting and plot are both breaking new ground for Macross while still building off of the foundation of what came before, and the songs are catchy. There isn't really a love triangle yet, but I'm really enjoying all of the character interactions.
And while people will bitch about it for not being glorious 80s OVA animation with 16 degrees of shading, the CG work in Delta is pretty amazing. If you are complaining "but I can tell it is CG because it doesn't look exactly like 2D!" you are an idiot and missing the point. Go back and watch those scenes again and focus not on how it blends against 2D, but what it is being used for.
The VF fights in Delta are smooth as goddamn silk. Even in the first episode, the goddamn dance-fighting that Hayate pulls off in his stolen VF would have been damn near impossible to do hand drawn, at least not without an absolutely absurd budget. VF transformations have never looks so smooth, quick, and natural. If you are not paying attention, you might actually miss a VF changing between modes mid-fight. That's how smooth it is.
That, and so far Delta doesn't have any major character fuckups or plot holes the size of the pacific ocean. Unless you have a hateboner for CG, jpop or idols... there really isn't anything to complain about. So it just draws way less flak than IBO and Greco, which both had meme-tier character interactions and dialog.
>>14242802
>MUH FUN
Stopped reading there
>>14242814
>>14242802
>there really isn't anything to complain about.
Sure there is, the character designs are shit, the characters are boring, Walkure is as everyone predicted a superfluous addition to the cast and the show just seems to be all around mediocre thus far since its just playing off tropes and not in a very good way. Also the CG is not good especially when you compare it to Kuromuko that's airing in the same season. So far there's nothing about Delta worth getting excited over nor is there anything it does better than IBO or G-Reco
>>14242802
>Every episode is something different,
>THAT HAYATE IS SUCH A RECKLESS FREE SPIRIT WHO DOESN'T LISTEN TO ANYONE.
>FREYJA IS SAD BUT IS STILL TRYING HER BEST LIKE HAYATE
>insert Walkure doing cute things
>repeat
Its pretty much been on autopilot for a while now all the while I'm wondering what makes this so amazing?
>the setting and plot are both breaking new ground for Macross
It hasn't done anything particularly new or distinct for the franchise.
>which both had meme-tier character interactions and dialog.
I'm gonna check this as the fanbase being delusional.
>>14242840
>FREYJA IS SAD BUT IS STILL TRYING HER BEST LIKE HAYATE
There's very little of Freyja being sad. She isn't Ranka.
>>14242255
>So far the only people who like Delta are people who hated Frontier.
But fagnon, I liked Frontier and I also like Delta.
>>14242543
>>14242824
> Walkure is as everyone predicted a superfluous addition to the cast
Are they? Freya is one of the main characters, Mikumo is absolutely oozing plot importance, and pink and green are basically the research and development wing of the cast. Even ignoring the music aspect and Walkure being central to the plot thus far, the whole last episode was Pink and Green being credit to team.
The only member of Walkure that hasn't done anything important yet is Bucanneer, and she is supposedly the one in charge. So maybe 1/5th of Walkure is superfluous.
>>14242287
Actually they kinda do.
Frontier came out during what could be considered a golden age of Fansubbbing/Torrenting. Only way you could watch most anime was by having a group fansub it and then torrent the episodes.
Now most anime are simulcast and easily watched on legitimate streaming site. Most "fansubs" are actually rips of the simulcast streams that are posted on other non-legitimate steaming sites where people go to watch them if they are not watching them on the original simulcast location of Crunchyroll/Hulu/Youtube/Funimation.
Macross Delta needs an actual fansub group to translate it and then you either need to torrent the episodes or find a non-legitimate stream site hosting it in order to watch them.
>>14242862
Indeed. If GG had not come out of retirement to rescue Delta, we legitimately might not have had it until the blurays came out with english subs.
>>14242255
>Delta isn't even directed by Kawamori,
he is the chief director. He control everything in short.
>>14242531
IBO had characters do forced "stereo typed" actions and has events happening that are supposed to deliver character development/make the audience feel something, but all of them fall flat and are generally dull.
Delta's characters genuinely behave as they are established and move through their developments at a believable pace. Also Delta's characters have a somewhat more diverse character type compared to the flat types (Like Mika or Kudelia in IBO).
On top of that the action in Delta is way more energetic, the music is great and the whole show feels like it actually is trying to entertain the audience compared to IBO trying to tell a grimdark war story that isn't very engaging because of the dullness of the events/action.
As for G-reco, well personally I liked G-reco. The problem was that because of Tomino's weird writing the show is not being delivered in an enjoyable manner. G-reco demands way too much input from the viewer for it to be a normal enjoyable series. Stuff like that might work in real TV or in a more deep and darker anime, but for a fun filled and light mecha series it's just a nuisance.
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31,270 Triangular
56,455 Lion
35,839 Delta op
The first op of Delta sold more than the first OP of Frontier in its 1st week.
>>14241691
Is that based tima?
>>14242878
And? Both sold less than IBOs first opening
>>14241341
I think a lot of it has to do with trust.
Delta has some wonky bits, but Macross has a long history of taking ridiculous shit and bringing it all together to stick the landing. Frontier, both the series and movies, had fucking amazing finales. So there is this reasonable expectation that Delta is just going to get better and better. It didn't turn into the magical idolgirl shitfest that naysayers warned it would be, so not that we are past that pitfall the hype train is building up speed.
Meanwhile, Gundam hasn't had a clear success story in years. Even the 'good' Gundam shows in the past 15 years get shitposted into the ground, and a lot of them are honestly only good compared to other Gundam shows. Its not a great sign that the best idea Gundam had for a new show this season was to take an already existing OVA that made them money that just finished last year and air it again with a few extra scenes.
tldr: Macross generally knows what it is doing and Delta continues the trend, Gundam has been floundering for years and its quality reflects that.
Up until delta, there were literally more UC gundam TV-shows than there were macross tv series (both are at 4 now). Counting AU TV shows, gundam has what, 3 4 times as many ?
Each macross tv series has been decidedly different from the others as well.
In short, macross is still pretty fresh. It hasn't tried reinventing the same story 15+ times. Sure it recycles themes too, but nowhere near to the same degree
>>14242944
>but Macross has a long history of taking ridiculous shit and bringing it all together to stick the landing.
>Frontier, both the series and movies, had fucking amazing finales.
>>14242968
>>Each macross tv series has been decidedly different from the others as well.
Frontier was just a shittier version of SDF
>>14242968
actually, given that unicorn is being made into a TV series, there's actually more UC TV-series, than macross series in total. Add to that 2 oavs (3 with Macross II, macross' only AU).. and well... macross has yet to outstay it's welcome for certain
(Not saying Gundam has, but i wish bandai would stop flinging shit incessantly to the wall hoping the next one sticks)
>>14242944
No you guys are really just delusional. Hell this thread has shown me that Macrossfags are as delusional as robotechfags.
>>14242929
it's pretty good since it's done by a new group "walkure" that just got made for Macross Delta.
If you want to compare with IBO. Triangular sold 90K which is 40k more than IBO and wait more months for Delta OP.
>>14242982
I for one enjoy my vibrant and full of life delusion then. Better than a corpse delusion or a soulless massclone delusion
>>14242985
>Triangular sold 90K
see
>>14242878
Sold 30k in its first week. IBO sold 60k and MoW is still relatively new.
>>14242982
You should have stopped taking him seriously when he said All Macross anime stick the landing. The only legit good entry was SDF while the rest are only as "good" in comparison to one another,
>>14242989
IBO sold 36k in its 1st week. and 50-60K overall.
Triangular sold 30K in its 1st week and 90-91K overall.
MoW was made in 2010 and it's not new.
>>14242998
Triangular has been out for 8 years retard.
>>14243006
90-91K at the end of Frontier at the end of the air in 2009. i don't have the numbers for 2016 sorry. It's probably over 100K.
>>14242862
A show's popularity has nothing to do with if its simulcast or fansubs. Lupin Part IV was simucasted and it was still overlooked. People wrote off Delta because it looked incredibly unappealing
>>14241341
Why compare Macross and Gundam? They're both owned by Bandai and it's kinda different.
Delta >>>>>>>>>>> Frontier so far.
Frontier TV was garbage.
>>14242997
> Macross Plus wasn't good
> Frontier didn't have a hype as shit final episode
I don't understand you as a person.
>>14243027
>Macross Plus wasn't good
It wasn't. It suffered from a very hackneyed story that's poorly developed with a cast of unlikable characters and continue the tradition of the franchise having shitty villians with Sharon Apple. Looked great though.
>Frontier didn't have a hype as shit final episode
When you have to systematically ignore the previous episodes because the finale was just a spectacle the series doesn't look all that good.
>>14243042
>It wasn't. It suffered from a very hackneyed story that's poorly developed with a cast of unlikable characters
So like every gundam show
>>14243051
Nah. That perfectly describes Plus.
>>14243057
And most gundam shows.
I do agree though, the overall plot was weak and the characters weren't that great.
>>14243042
>When you have to systematically ignore the previous episodes because the finale was just a spectacle the series doesn't look all that good.
Hey there. If you are going to put strange things in my mouth, you should buy me dinner first.
I talked about the finale in the context of sticking the landing. By definition, the finale is the important part there. Don't go taking the absence of words as validation for your opinion.
>>14243060
>And most gundam shows.
Nope
>>14243076
>By definition, the finale is the important part there.
You sound just as retarded as Code Geass fags
>>14243079
>Nope
Yup
>>14241678
Kek, nicely put. Also, this show is made for weeb waifufags, fuck off back to /a/ with that shit
>>14242461
SDs definitely but lets not move the goal posts, the primary buyers of gunpla are males over 18 years old, you're wrong and a bad arguer. just stop this is a waste of time, go do something with your pathetic existence. I guarantee this faggot is underage
>>14243051
Not exactly. Plus' cast was entertainingly unlikable, instead of just annoying.
>>14243023
>Frontier TV was garbage.
Yeah in your own deluded mind.
Frontier was a fucking success. Gundam had that kind of success with Seed (Jesus almost 20 fucking years ago) and since then the absolute wasteland.
>>14243129
valkyries have always been cooler than gundams, bruh
>>14242535
people like you is whats been ruining anime for the past decade 'oooooh shes so cute, let me go fap again to this animated character', japs think they can't make money on anime geared to adults because of faggot losers like you, who can only appreciate how cute a waifu is, you probably go to /a/ and argue about your favorite ships in 'cute highschool harem show' of the season. fuck your fun, kill yourself
>>14243182
>entertainingly unlikable
No. Isamu and Guld were manchildren and Mynn was just a bitch.
>>14243197
Isamu was a manchild, but he was a hilarious manchild. His antics were great.
>>14243192
I'm kind of sad I don't have a waifu to beat off to now
>>14243185
>Success=quality
Irony enough Delta is doing worse than Frontier.
> and since then the absolute wasteland.
Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED DESTINY 68,959
Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 39,353
Kidou Senshi Gundam 00 S2 34,601
Kidou Senshi Gundam Unicorn 208,487
Gundam Build Fighters 9,351
Gundam G no Reconquista 9,012
Kidou Senshi Gundam Tekketsu no Orphans 9,860
Gundam The Orgin 69,025
Yeah...wasteland. Meanwhile How milked was Frontier was for 8 years before Delta?
.
>>14243192
People don't put cute girls into anime because they think that's the only way to get it to sell. They do it because 20 or 30 years ago they watched shows that already had cute girls in them and liked them, and then they grew up and started making their own anime about cute girls because that's what they enjoy.
You're deluding yourself if you think it's anything new. Before it was "moe" it was "bishoujo," and shows from the 80s and 90s like the original Macross are just as much responsible for it.
Stop pretending that your adolescent fantasies about how mature, serious cartoons make you an intelligent person are any better than watching a show because you like a certain character in it.
>>14243248
68 > 39 > 34 > 9.3 > 9 > 9.8
Almost an entirely smooth downward stream. And no, you cant compare the oavs
>>14243267
>You can't compare entries in the franchise
There goes your argument.
>>14243273
yeah no. You're retarded if you think that. Then by your admission, everything after unicorn is utter trash, including the origin
>>14243262
It's not new, but you're dreaming if you thinkg it isn't also a craven marketing scheme.
>>14243281
>Then by your admission, everything after unicorn is utter trash, including the origin
Then by your admission, everything before Fronteir is utter tarsh
>>14243284
> There are girls in this show REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
How do you watch anime?
>>14242531
Greco was an incomprehensible mess with no emotional stakes, character arcs and motivations that were only revealed at the end of the show and almost never addressed head onsee the entire ameria plot, why Klim Nick does anything, they waste a cour before we even meet the towasangans, and they barely get any development before suddenly we're supposed to care about the G-it lab until no it was the mask squadron the whole time and now we have to squeeze in luin's emotional beef with bellri even though the last time they met they were bffs
>>14243358
>Greco was an incomprehensible mess with no emotional stakes,
Found the retard
>>14243358
Wow...people were no kidding when they said tge only people who hated G-Reco were retards. No wonder you like Delta
>>14243176
>the primary buyers of gunpla are males over 18 years old
>>14243363
>the viewer is intended to see the conflict from bellri's 'why do I care about this' perspective
>not a horrible fucking idea that results in zero viewer investment or interest when the pretty fights stop
>>14241341
its not a rehash of a rehash of a rehash
they actually put a lot of time and effort into it since its not as often as gundam
>>14241552
thats why it outsold gundam rite
>>14242255
>Going by reception in Japan more people thought IBO was more ENTERTAINING than Delta as it is now and given how its essentially being ignored here in the west that's probably the same.
nigga you are fucking retarded, this is the stupidest post ive seen today
>>14243394
>thats why it outsold gundam rite
Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED DESTINY 68,959
Macross Frontier 46,297
You Macrossfags are delusional
>>14243392
We get it son! You're an idiot.,
>>14243363
>>14243363
>Nobody's saying why they think x is better than y
>provide multiple distinct flaws in y
> get shitposted
10/10 anons, you'll convince everyone with that flawless logic of yours. Great job improving the board
>>14243397
>>14243394
>>14243392
Since when did macrossworld started posting here?
>>14241341
Not really sure how this became comparing sales numbers of every macross vs every gundam, or evening opening singles vs each other or other stupid shit.
I am of the mind that Delta is far more enjoyable than G-Reco or IBO... but can this statement be extended for all of macross over all of gundam just like that? Obviously not.
>>14243367
>>14243404
We get it anon, your fat fingers are too big for your manlet iPhone keyboard
>>14243410
Don't those guys hate fun?
>>14243413
>I am of the mind that Delta is far more enjoyable than G-Reco or IBO
I am of the mind that your tastes is incredibly fucking shit.
>>14243413
>Not really sure how this became comparing sales numbers of every macross vs every gundam
Because Grectards love stirring up shit whenever someones compares their shitty show to something else and it shits all over it. So they need to use fake metrics and any semblance of "sales" no matter how irreverent to prove the allegedly inferiority of whatever franchise is being compared to Greco, because nothing they say would help Greco's case anyway and they fucking know it.
>>14243422
I am of the mind that I can say "right back at ya"
