Is there a single Gothicmade that is better than its Mortar Headd counterpart?
>>14237798
What in the unholy fuck is that entire top row of designs.
>>14237798
>Empress Flame and V Siren Neptune GTMs are almost identical
Hahaha, holy shiet.
>>14237798
>>14237849
They're part of the same design series too apparently. Empress is Holda 17 and Neptune is Holda 19, while Siren A is Holda 31A.
>>14237798
ARR ROOK SAME
>>14237933
Bigger question is what the fuck the Empress is doing with Fillmore.
>>14237933
Wait, really? That does make sense going by the GTM's appearance only, but AFAIK the only retcon made so far is aesthetics and prior to that Empress and Neptune look absolutely nothing alike.
>>14237946
Gothicmade OVA, Fillmore's emperor pilots it.
>>14237937
Those arm posture are really shameful copy pasting.
>>14237798
I didnt want to make a new thread for this, but is the Five Star Stories english manga by ToyPress worth getting?
>>14239785
Now that's just a dumb retcon.
>>14239821
Just download it on Bakabt.
>>14237798
Gothicmades have a terrible "sameface" about them.
what i loved about the Mortar Headds was that they were all different looking, which made sense in canon because Joker Galaxy is huge with a shit ton of factions and worlds so of course the mechs would be all different.
i'll admit his character designs have gotten much better over the years.
>>14237798
Those Gothicmade designs are 'nice' on their own but not when right next to the FSS ones.
>>14242321
Most mecha designs would look like total shit when put next to the FSS designs though.
>>14242382
You're kidding, right?
>>14242537
He's right.
>pic
You aren't helping your case.
Would GTM look better if they were buff and not skinny lanklets with weird joints?
>>14242547
Then you would just get Mortar Headds.
>>14242537
I swear, why is it always the Obarifags that end up being the most vehement Nagano haters?
>>14242549
>I swear, why is it always the Obarifags that end up being the most vehement Nagano haters?
Because the two are polar opposites in every way possible, not just in personality but design preferences as well.
>>14242564
Obari isn't a designer.
>>14242572
Not officially, but you can't deny his redrawings have a distinct and unique style, much like Nagano has his.
>>14237798
It's strange but I like both Black Knight versions.
>>14242549
>I swear, why is it always the Obarifags that end up being the most vehement Nagano haters?
Because some people like their mecha to actually look like they could withstand a gust of wind without snapping in half.
>>14242589
those knees look like they could snap in half
>>14242589
That waist is just as thin and there are bulkier MH in the OP.
>>14237798
>Bang Doll
Rest in Prince Sweet Peace
>>14242321
Not really.
>>14240077
Yeah, MH's also made more sense to FSS's lore. They weren't just weaponry. They were also supposed to be works of art and admired as such.
And it makes sense for them to have these wildly different, curvaceous, knightly silhouettes.
GTMs don't have that quality. They all have these greebled up hamhands, recycled frames, clunky legs, and so-on.
>>14242549
>I swear, why is it always the Obarifags that end up being the most vehement Nagano haters?
Why are Naganofags always so paranoid?
>>14237798
Y'all niggas still crying about this? Some of them are too much but I still kinda like 'em. Looks like something some ultra rich, mega bored and retardedly advanced society made just because they could.
>>14237798
Is gothicmade setting supposed to be a future or the past of FSS?
>>14242821
It's a retcon.
>>14242575
Because the new Black Knight is a cool design, much like pic related.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4545372913
This is probably the longest the series has gone without any fights
>>14243054
On its own, it's okay. It's great when compared to the average GTM, though.
Actually, seems like there was a fight. Incoming.
Also seems to be the one chapter Baidu dropped the ball on when it comes to scans.
>>14242702
>Obarifag storms into thread talking shit on FSS before anyone even mentions him
>"paranoia"
I don't think you understand what that word means.
>>14243379
Someone makes a claim of superiority.
Someone makes a retort.
It isn't an unprovoked encounter nor was the retort about the designer.
It was nothing more than the most basic of verbal disputes.
>>14242699
A lot of Mortar Headds share frames, The mirages and sirens both use their own univeral frame. Nagano was just able to hide it better with more varied designs, but now all the Gothicmades look very similar regardless of faction.
>>14243424
totally
>>14237826
Shitty Barbatos rip-offs, now with 70% less waist.
>>14243491
Except that those designs existed years before Barbie Toes.
The Gothicmades remind me so much of the Bayformers it isn't even funny.
>>14243534
Thankfully GTMs' action isn't anything more than "leaning forward and shoot lasers."
The thought of them wrestling and what not gets me nauseous.
>>14243559
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>>14243636
Haven't seen someone leaning that hard since Michael Jackson.
>>14242595
You're fucking blind. That aside, better a broken knee than a broken spine. Nagano's designs have both anyway.
>>14242600
Not even close. But who am I to dissuade a Naganofag.
>>14243932
Look faggot, it's fine if you don't like Nagano's designs. But why would you even bother replying in a thread that revolves entirely around him? All you're doing is shitposting. Fuck off.
>>14243932
>Not even close.
Speaking of fucking blind.
>>14243954
>But why would you even bother replying in a thread that revolves entirely around him?
Because this statement is horribly wrong >>14242382 and I'm just expressing my opinion. This isn't your circlejerk thread, libtard, I can say shit about Nagano as much as I want. Don't like it? Fuck off back to tumblr.
>>14243960
>Speaking of fucking blind.
You would know a lot about it now, wouldn't you.
>>14243987
So you admit that you're a shitposter. Okay.
>>14244004
>Having an opinion means you're a shitposter
Okay champ
>>14243496I know. It was a bait.
When Nagano going to reveal the whole KOG design?
>>14242382
Not in the slightest, newfag.
>>14244236
If we're lucky, never.
>>14244236
Will KOG never not be King of Gets?
>>14244236
I really like the wedding veil.
>>14244398
>Designs from late 80s and early 90s
>"newfag"
Nice buzzwords, dipshit.
>>14244418
well hold on, the head does look good. and it has great color separation. The MH version was solid gold so this addition of white might complement it well enough.
its just how much will be different and how will KOG A-T look like?
>>14242589
Man look at l gaim. Its the best nagano.
>>14244007
There's a difference between having an opinion and being a frothing retard.
![rdragonarth1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GKK5iiD.jpg "rdragonarth1[1].jpg")
>>14242589
Is Dragonar the best work Obari's done?
>>14244930
Obari didn't design Dragonar you baka.
So Archive, when are you going to finish scanning Designs 5?
>>14245397
Great looking head and red color
>>14245397
You guys weren't kidding when you said Nagano got much better at drawing people.
>>14245598
Shame about the mecha though.
>>14245604
head designs of Gothicmades are good, too bad about the arms and knees. if they were just new units plus the old Motar Headds people would be mad.
bumb
>>14245637
If the abdomens were like half the height, I'd be fine. But it throws everything off.
>>14249733
well not all of them have long torso's but man those ugly elbows.
>>14242739
>Y'all niggas still crying about this?
They look like shit. Time isn't going to change that.
This is the most tolerable Gothicmade design at the moment.
>>14249767
this red thing looks pretty awesome
>>14249793
>>14237798
>Is there a single Gothicmade that doesn't look like shit?
ftfy
>>14249793
What MH is this the equivalent to?
>>14250007
Judging by the pilot next to it, it would be the Engage SR-1.
I sure as hell hope I'm wrong though, because the Engage deserves better than this.
>>14250007
But if we're judging by looks alone, it could be the Prominence.
>>14243054
Somebody wants to be a Quibley when they grow up, don't they?
>>14250034
>give that unit ugly elbows and knees
>its now a GTM
man Nagano, just remove the extra joints and we're good.
>>14250230
Redesign Qubeley needs more love anyway.
>>14249767
That horrible midsection and the elbows literally kill the entire design.
>>14237798
it's amazing how the Mortar Hedd's have a ton of design variety(while all still feeling like part of the same universe), while all of the Gothic Made's look 99% outside of greebles, it's honestly the most pathetic set of redesigns in /m/ history
>>14242845
luckily it's one we can and should ignore, cause the odds of anything for GothicMade coming to the West is near non-existent, really I'm hoping that whoever gets the rights to FSS/GM after Nagano dies just jumps back to the old designs
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>>14243165
man that was terrible, and I've seen some pretty damn awful fights in mecha manga before(to be honest good fight scenes in mecha manga are incredibly rare)
>>14244236
that makes me want to vomit
>>14254760
I just realized, all the GothicMade designs are suffering from a horrid case of "Gorilla Arms"
>that LED Mirage
Oh baby what did they do to you?
>>14244236
I hope never, because I'll die inside knowing what he did to it.
>>14250323
Here's the difference though.
Redesigned Quebeley still unmistakably is the Quebeley. It doesn't make you go "how the fuck did you get that from that?"
>>14254813
It getsworse.
>>14254807
>I'm hoping that whoever gets the rights to FSS/GM after Nagano dies just jumps back to the old designs
Go back to Gundam
>>14254807
>man that was terrible, and I've seen some pretty damn awful fights in mecha manga before(to be honest good fight scenes in mecha manga are incredibly rare)
It suffers from Bayformer syndrome. Where the actual design itself is such a clusterfuck that no matter how you move it it looks like total garbled nonsensical shit.
While we're on the subject of Bayformers...
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>>14254854
>Bayformer has same bizarre triple-jointed arm as the GTM
Jesus fuck
The thing that bothers me the most is that the original GTM draft wasn't bad at all. It still had those rail joints but the limbs didn't look like they were broken like these newer designs.
>>14254870
Just changing the god damn arms makes this so much better holy shit.
>>14254854
The toy version of The Fallen looks much better. Actually, this is the case for a lot of Bayformers.
>>14254883
The arm joints are literally the same.
I don't see the problem people have with the rail joints at all. They're refreshing and spark the imagination in a world where mecha designs have been doing the same shit since the 90s.
The argument that GTMs "all look the same" is also some real bullshit. A few of them have a lot of the same things but there's an in-universe explanation for it.
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>>14249867
These are all great designs. Look nothing like each other at all.
I like this design at least.
>>14255021
its cause we can't see the elbows, the elbows ruin the whole design
>>14254870
It just looks like a Brain Powerd design.
>>14243932
Meet the fedora, a fat bastard of a machine.
>>14255717
And an Ultimate Driving Machine
>>14254849
Bayformers at least had an excuse though (in the first movie anyway). They were designed so that when they transformed into vehicle mode, it was actually plausible to see how it transitions to that. It just looks ugly as a result.
And to their credit, regardless of everything else, Optimus does still look like Optimus.
>>14254903
>Actually, this is the case for a lot of Bayformers
agreed, especially for designs that are made just for the Toyline
I'm putting the finishing touches on my Volks Black Knight. It looks amazing but my god the stability and engineering is a mess. Bandai would have done such a better job.
>>14256795
Parts separation was really great though.
>>14256795
Imagine a kit of its GTM counterpart. If you can.
>>14256795
You mean they would totally fuck up the proportions and try to throw in their own unnecessary details and have something that ends up looking totally different than the original design.
>>14257611
>they would totally fuck up the proportions and try to throw in their own unnecessary details and have something that ends up looking totally different than the original design.
I love how you just described the Gothicmades to a tee.
>>14257611
2.0 Hyaku Shiki is sex
>>14257765
Anyone who disagrees will be shot.
>>14257611
The 2.0's proportions are more close to Nagano's original design than the one used in the anime.
Nagano's seems to be changing the design style in about 10-year cycle.
I also do not think well too cool now of Batsh, but most new Batsh thing is no doubt.
>>14242549
Because it's like STR vs DEX
>Nagano: slim, classy, haughty, full of curves
>Obari: meaty, blocky, straight lines, menacing
Damn, the GTM joints are complex as hell.
They don't look too bad as kits either.
>>14260468
Also, it made me realize something: the "upper arms" are actually part of the shoulders. Your shoulders have two pivot points; the Gothicmades extended the outer ones and gave them more range. Which you can clearly see here >>14249767
>>14260471
GTM are fine imo its just changing the pre-existing Motar Headds so much is a bit too far.
>>14260468
Also, the only other mecha design I know of that uses rail joints (at least on its elbows) is ironically the one that Nagano hates the most.
>>14260498
>the one that Nagano hates the most.
When will these meme ever die?
>>14260471
which gtm is this it's gorgeous
>>14262744
I'm starting to think the GTMs look good in physical form. Its just the lineart that makes them... look less than stellar.
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>>14260630
Did nagno Aactually talks shit about the Turn A or am I being memed?
I hear he does talk a lot of shit though, being an auteur type of guy.
>>14257611
Bandai made the 1/100 L-Gaim Mk-II and it was amazing, so I'm sure they could knock out the Mortar Headds too if given the chance.
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>>14262896
>design GTMs abusurdly complex so kits can't be made
>they make kits anyway
Nagano BTFO
>>14263145
>Did nagno Aactually talks shit about the Turn A or am I being memed?
It was a tiny excerpt from an interview; the guy who translated it made it much more colorful than what it actually said (like throwing in like three "fucks" when that didn't even exist in the Japanese vocabulary) making the tone sound horribly immature. He didn't even bother to translate the rest of the interview. He simply did it just to shitpost. Coincidentally, he's the same guy who "translated" Itano's rant on Macross Frontier.
>I hear he does talk a lot of shit though, being an auteur type of guy.
I imagine he would, but the only English interview of any kind Ive found of Nagano was in the back of one of the Origin GNs, and it was more like a love letter than anything. For all the hubbub about Nagano floating out there we don't know much of anything about him.
>>14256020
It's pretty cool, yeah.
>>14262896
They look fucking atrocious in lineart but the models I've seen look fine.
>>14263150
It's a shame the R3 line died so quickly.
Is it just me or are the heels getting shorter on Nagano's character designs?
>>14256795
Any chance we'll ever get the IMS LED Mirage without the obscenely huge backpack?
>>14265128
>without the obscenely huge backpack?
Then what's the point?
>>14265250
Space and money, that's what. Mostly the former.
>>14263150
Why hasn't Volks made an Engage Octaver SR-1 kit like that yet???
>>14265347
JUST NOW they're making a KOG. I don't know how their popularity polls even work.
>>14265347
What's with the music note on it's leg?
>>14265460
The Headdliner's name is Arr Fortissimo Melody. Don't know if it's a coincidence but it seems to fit.
>>14260468
something tells me that's intentionally done to try and make merchandising them impossible(since Nagano seems to hate money for some reason), but as >>14260471 shows that didn't work
>>14263172
>For all the hubbub about Nagano floating out there we don't know much of anything about him.
true, but actions speak louder than words, and Gothic Made's existence is basically one loud wet fart that has been constantly blowing the last couple of years
So what does Nagano even want to do with the FSS/GTM series? Seems like hiatus or rectons are what he does and hordes the GTM movie and makes sure no one can see it.
I mean I think a FSS anime would be popular.
>>14266245
>I mean I think a FSS anime would be popular.
FSS would need a major rewrite along the lines of what GitS: SAC did to Shirow's manga for it to even work as an anime.
>>14266330
rewrite? just making it follow in coherent way would be fine. Just make it go day 1, day 2, day 3, etc. not FSS style Day 1, day 45, day 9, day 255, day 2. etc
>>14266356
There are so many events and characters and settings that contradict themselves it's not even funny (i.e. Sarion). Add to the fact that Nagano has no idea what he is doing with the Majestic Stand (really, American high schools?), and even when you look at it all in chronological order, it's a mess. I can't blame him since the damn manga has been running for 30 years, but it's so damn inconsistent that keeping track of everything is pointless.
Part of the reason Nagano made the Gothicmade retcon was to patch up some of these plot holes (some events have been rearranged and some characters have been written out of existence), but Gothicmade itself fucks with the setting to such an extent that I'm not sure the tradeoff was worth it.
For Nagano, FSS is more of a vehicle to present his latest designs than carry any kind of meaningful plot. An anime version would change a lot of things.
>>14266416
Literally just adapt the first few volumes.
>>14266356
To put it bluntly, FSS suffers from "Star Wars Prequel Retcon Syndrome" on steroids.
>>14266423
really that bad huh? been awhile Since I've read it but what makes it prequel SW tier out of curiosity
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>>14262896
It's the lack of a background and posture I think. The lineart ones all have their spine straightened out and in line with their head too much so it looks weird.
>>14266446
There's a lot, but the most prominent one I can think of are the Divers and Sword Sages, and the evolution of Machine Messiah to Mortar Headd. There's also the entire existence of the Green Left FEMC, and literally everything about Maximum and the SATAN.
Absolutely none of these things popped up in the story until the Jagd Mirage arc, and they didn't add anything beneficial to the setting, not to mention they retroactively nullified some of the earlier plot and setting (i.e. the existence of Divers nullifies the significance of the the Three Fates Fatimas). And don't get me started on all the random characters and power level bullshit.
And now with Gothicmade, Empress Flame belongs to Fillmore for no reason whatsoever, the Bang Doll is now part of the FEMC... why?
>>14266483
Yeah, there are a lot of those types of inconsistencies. Most of them came from the Majestic Stand. For example, why did Colus need to build Junchoon if he already had the Engage SR-1? Why did Ikagura go from homicidal monster to cute upright and loyal trap? And why does literally every named Fatima belong to Ballanche?
>>14266483
Green Left FEMC was so silly. The AKD have already been established as a powerful and feared organization of warriors, why do they need a secret offshoot branch of comic-book tier villains to do what they already do, but look more evil? And later on they have literally zero significance and act no different than the Orange Right.
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>>14266514
I think you're all looking too deep into it. Every arc of FSS has a slightly modified setting than the previous ones. It's why you see them go from beam sabers to katanas and now these gunblades in Gothicmade, or why everyone and their giant robot suddenly starts wearing heels, etc. The story in each arc is very well-contained within its own arc, even if the characters and setting aren't consistent from arc to arc. The "what is canon" mindset is silly, because it prevents you from enjoying so many franchises. Gundam is far worse than FSS when it comes to retcons and setting fuckery, and in Macross, Kawamori just swats it all aside by saying that everything we see animated from it is just a romanticized show from its actual "real" universe.
>>14266330
>Rebuild of the Origin of Five Star Stories the First: You can (not) release on Blu-Ray
I'm sure Nagano has already made it, and is locked up in his cellar along with Gothicmade and his old Sailor Moon cosplay.
>>14266551
Stacks and stacks of letters requesting to pay Nagano to use his designs in stuff like SRW...
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>>14266557
wonder why Nagano doesn't like to show off his stuff, people eat it up.
>>14266570
I bought a weapon skin in PSO2, a katana he designed. It looks pretty awesome, I think.
And I've got Beley Mags for 2 of my characters.
It's not that they're designed by Nagano, his stuff just looks good (to me).
>>14266570
Probably because Banrise fucked him over hard while he was working with them in the 80's.
>>14266617
why not he go over to a different company, Go Kojima route?
>>14266627
He owns and runs his own company 'Automatic Flowers' and I'm pretty sure he owns all of FSS and Gothicmade at the least.
>>14266627
He did eventually leave Sunrise and co-founded Toyspress to publish FSS, but his experiences at Sunrise really soured him with the entire anime industry. Which is why he is such a prick when it comes to licensing his franchise.
I feel Nagano would have been much better fit working at Ghibli than Sunrise.
>>14266630
is it a small company which is why no FSS animation content?
>>14266643
hmm interesting, I'd think his name is big enough in Japan to get an animation group to do at least one project for him.
All I know about FSS isthe movie made in 89.
I don't remember too much about it, but I remember it being very pretty.
>>14266670
Automatic Flowers isn't even a studio, it's just a faux company name so that it can hold the FSS license. Nagano made it right after he left Toyspress. Gothicmade (the movie) was literally made by Nagano and a couple other animators (probably close friends) in one of the offices of the Kadokawa building. The problem isn't that he can't get others to work on a project for him, it's that he WANTS to work on everything by himself.
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>>14266245
>I mean I think a FSS anime would be popular.
All of the designs would be impossible to animate and they would have to resort to terrible CGI. I've already seen Berserk go that route, and I don't want any other long-running manga getting that same treatment.
>>14266695
>Automatic Flowers isn't even a studio, it's just a faux company name so that it can hold the FSS license.
So it's a shell company?
>>14267093
>All of the designs would be impossible to animate
Utterly impossible, could never be done ever.Yes I'm aware it was obscenely expensive for something that was only 66 minutes long, I'm just saying.
>>14267101
No a shell company implies it's used to cover illegal activities.
>>14267101
It's an IP holding company. Kind of likeHarmony Gold.
>>14266643
>I feel Nagano would have been much better fit working at Ghibli than Sunrise.
Doubtful, considering Miyazaki has a history of trying his damn hardest to steamroll anyone with a shred of individuality in his studio. I can't imagine him getting along with Nagano at all.
>>14267122
I thought Harmony Gold is a real estate company.
>>14267128
>considering Miyazaki has a history of trying his damn hardest to steamroll anyone with a shred of individuality in his studio.
Funny, considering one of the things stated on the wall in Ghibli is "if you have no ideas, you don't belong here"
>>14267133
>Funny, considering one of the things stated on the wall in Ghibli is "if you have no ideas, you don't belong here"
If Ghibli actually followed that motto they wouldn't be in their current catatonic state.
>>14267154
The problem is that Miyazaki essentially controls the company so they do whatever he wants to do.
Which is a shame because I really liked Princess Kaguya.
Memes aside, how would one go about watching Gothicmade in Japan?
>>14267093
impossible to animate? many MH are not that crazy looking, yeah a few but battles are few and far between so it wouldn't be a huge problem.
>>14267605
>http://gothicmade.com/news/
wait for the next screening and get tickets soon as possible, cause Nagano sell like 30 of them and go to japan to where ever the screening is.
>>14266643
>but his experiences at Sunrise really soured him with the entire anime industry.
Tomino probably went all Jimba Ral on him too about how evil Bandai is and how they've spent decades meddling with his shows for more toy designs and how he ought to fight back.
>>14267688
Lmao that was good I'm giggling at work
>>14267107
Obscenely expensive for something that was only 66 minutes long and which featured a grand total of four minutes of robot battle. And by "robot battle" I mean a minute of the KoG rising up, two minutes of the KoG oneshotting two simple mook designs without showing them moving much or doing anything too complex, and then one last minute of the KoG firing its big ass gun at a large ship without moving.
>>14268126
Isn't it basically a straight adaptation of the first arc? It wouldn't be the movie's fault then.
>>14268155
yeah not sure why people would call out the animation team on that.
>>14268155
Pretty much. Don't forget the shower scene too.
>>14268155
>>14268201
They skipped the entire intro fight between LED Mirage and the Black Knight. That's a pretty important thing to cut.
>>14268126
But KoG slashed one of them.
>>14268367
It wouldn't really make sense in a movie as a self contained story though.
>>14268433
They showed part of it at the beginning already though.
Wow.
Nagano really shit the bed on the GTM designs.
>>14268542
That scene was used as a way to introduce the viewers to the setting with a small info-dump.
I wonder if GTM/FSS will get anything new in the next couple of years. we recently got Vol.13. I'd like to see more GTM line arts or something.
>>14269807
Like 14 or so pages are published every month or so. Wonder if the page number is why we're getting so few 2 page spreads.
>>14243143
I love it when Nagano draws his stick-women characters blushing and happy.They look like such sluts.
Nagano's style has changed so much from when he was working on Gorg.
>>14266416
>no idea what he is doing with the Majestic Stand (really, American high schools?)
WAit, what what what? What the hell is going on here with the Majestic Stand? I'm not closely following Nagano in general, and the latest I remember about the Majestic Stand is the mounting events getting to that point in the English-translated manga.
>>14269926
The less questions asked the better.
>>14270045
I'm so confused.
>>14270053
It is Nagano after all.
Who is the Mirage Knight standing in the front here? Is he an important character?
>>14270089
Isn't he a cuck?
>>14270089
That's Jhon Weinziel, allegedly one of the most important characters in FSS along with Christine V. Both of them have even shown up in artwork that predates FSS and the very first FSS drawings like that pic. I say "allegedly" because neither of them showed up until the very later volumes. Jhon is the kid who gets cucked by Est. Purse speculation on my part, but I think later on Jhon is the guy who leads the AKD invasion on Kallamity where they blow up the planet with the Jagd Mirages (since his designation in that picture is FEMC #2), and Christine is the one who leads Fillmore and tries in vain to defend it. Of course, the Gothicmade retcon has thrown everything we know out the window and now there's some Jhon look-alike who I'm almost certain is a retconned version of him.
>>14270658
Surprisingly enough both retcon Jhon and Christine V showed up together at the end of the Gothicmade movie.
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>>14270663
So that's who this was? Nagano's character designs have had the most drastic change over time compared to any other artist I know.
>>14270658
>there's some Jhon look-alike who I'm almost certain is a retconned version of him.
I thought the only thing Gothicmade retconned was the terminology and mecha design?
>>14270713
Nope. The timeline has been rewritten with different dates. The important events still happen (like Kallamity getting blown up), but it's all been rearranged.
Many characters have been either modified or just totally written out of existence (i.e. the pilot for MM Auge) and the SATAN seem to have been totally brushed aside in favor of something called "Monarch Sacred".
The retcon version of Jhon now has ties to Fillmore royalty and it seems his backstory has changed as well.
As someone who was a fan of FSS for a time and has been completely out of the loop since forever now, I'm trying to piece together wtf Gothicmade is.
It's a huuuuge retcon of everything and MHs are now called gothicmades and they look like retarded anorexic scarecrows.
is that about right?
>>14270767
It's been pretty well-explained in this thread what Gothicmade is.
>>14237798
Black one at the bottom and the gray one next to it look really nice.
>Nagano is killing FSS because he's allergic to money
>Anno is killing Eva because he's addicted to money
If there were only a way to combine these two into a single person.
>>14270887
>combine these two into a single person.
>takes every opportunity to lash out against anime industry with the combined vigor of Tomino and Miyazaki but twenty years younger
>is a gay crossdressing cosplayer in his spare time who now has double the boner for Ikuhara
Is this really what you want?
>>14270908
>Is this really what you want?
Naganno sex tape with him raping Ikuhara? Hell yes.
>>14270908
>>is a gay crossdressing cosplayer in his spare time
Can hypothetical Anno/Nagano hybrid even hope to top Nagano's Venus cosplay?
>>14270924
maybe as UltraMom?
>>14270658
What artbook is that from?
>>14270726
>Monarch Sacred
Probably just a new name for SATAN.
>>14272216
>>14272225
Nope, it's some kind of message left behind by the Super Empire.
>>14272298
So why do you think the cuck was retconned out of existence?
>>14272491
Because Maximum HOLTFORS Ballance Kaien wasn't enough.
>>14270726
>The retcon version of Jhon now has ties to Fillmore royalty and it seems his backstory has changed as well.
Are you sure it's the same character? FSS has quite a few characters who look like each other. It's a recurring motif.
>>14272902
I will eat my hat if it isn't him.
In FSS, characters who look alike show up in different periods of time as reincarnations of themselves (i.e. Colus). I don't think there were two characters who looked identical to one another existing at the same time before.
>>14237798
Some fit in better as designs meant to be "considered works of art by their culture" in concept, but this seems to be to separate it from LGaim as well. He's seems to be more of an artiste as opposed to and artist, so he'll probably go through periods, which means the designs will probably change again at some point.
>>14270887
It really is interesting when you compare the essay Anno wrote on the Origin to the one Nagano wrote. It really shows the difference between the two in their mindset as creators.
In his essay, Anno spends most of his words bitching and whining about the current state of Otaku and the anime industry and barely says anything about how or why The Origin is any good, and then does a sly bit of self-promotion for the Rebuilds (this was back in 2005 before 1.0 came out in 2007). Meanwhile, Nagano's essay was a thorough analysis as to why he liked the Origin so much and the importance of Gundam's place in anime history, pointing out all the small details and even adding a few fun facts about the production history of 0079. The few times he speaks of himself it's in a very negative manner (i.e. how he failed to live up to Gundam time and again back in his Sunrise days working on it). And when he does mention the anime industry and other Gundam fans, he basically says that every fan is the same, whether they're just in it for the plastic models or the storyline, and that they should all be allowed to enjoy it as they please with no judgement. There isn't a single negative or derogatory comment in the whole essay except for the one on himself.
It's a total 180 from how they present their franchises (Eva being an Otaku cash cow and FSS being Nagano's personal design diary that few are allowed to touch and view).
>>14274059
Just out of curiosity can you post the links to their respective essays?
>>14274096
Anno's essay is here:
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/15335/Hideaki-Annos-short-essay-on-Gundam/
Just don't read the comments because Evageeks as a whole is cancerous.
As for Nagano, I only have the scans from the Origin.
>>14274120
Nagano's essay
>>14274122
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>>14274125
>A unibrow
What?
>>14274120
>Just don't read the comments because Evageeks as a whole is cancerous.
>Just think of the film series's explicit embrace of the most classical of all Japanese narrative forms: Jo-Ha-Kyu. It's as if Godard went and did narrative film perfectly loyal to Aristotlean theory of drama.
I should have listened.
>>14274120
>Just don't read the comments because Evageeks as a whole is cancerous.
I just go there for translated interviews and try my best to avoid the rest.
>>14237798
Holy fuck gtms are disgusting
>>14272262
i need this book what is it called
>>14274132
There are people like that ITT for sure.
>>14274120
Why is Anno such a hypocrite?
>>14275691
Hypocrisy is the norm for the human brain. Our psyche is too hormonal, emotional, and prone to fits of acting completely illogical for us to be able to avoid hypocrisy in some form.
If the ancient Greeks, who founded modern philosophy, weren't immune to it and even came up with the word, what chance does the average Joe have?
>>14275691
Why are you just now realizing this?
>>14275691
$$$$
>>14274132
I get the impression that Nagano is a cool guy who just makes things out of his obsessive passion for them and that's why he's so protective of them
Meanwhile Anno tried to make a big "fuck you" to otaku culture and ended up relying on them for his livelihood. I wonder how much he hates himself.
>>14275902
>Meanwhile Anno tried to make a big "fuck you" to otaku culture
Do you only see what you want to see in people?
Anno doesn't dislike otaku, he dislikes the modern otaku. The otaku from his generation at least talked to other people, and had hobbies beyond the ONE thing they were otaku about, and sometimes watched things outside of their comfort zone. The problem with modern otaku is they've become too insular.
>>14275691
Anno is not the same man he was 10 years ago. Back then he was serious about fighting against the Otaku-led anime industry. But now he's just too tired to five a fuck and spends his time doing what he really loves (Toku) instead.
>>14275910
>The otaku from his generation at least talked to other people, and had hobbies beyond the ONE thing they were otaku about, and sometimes watched things outside of their comfort zone. The problem with modern otaku is they've become too insular.
The 80's otaku from Nagano and Anno's generation are practically the founders of modern anime though. They're on a whole other level compared to the babies from the 2000s onward. Garage kit figures were the norm back then, and pretty much any otaku could build them with their eyes closed and treated them with the utmost respect. Nowadays modern otaku already have expensive PVC figures to jizz on. It's not even the social aspect that separates them- it's the fact that the 80s Otaku were all creators, whereas modern Otaku are all purchasers.
>>14275910
Does otaku in the east have the same commotations these days as 'nerd' does in the west or is it something more specific?
"He's a nerd" doesn't really mean much anymore when everyone is nerdy about something. Is saying "he's an otaku" roughly the same, or worse?
>>14277975
Same guy, my bad.
It just kinda feels like the thing where one generation grows older, moves out of that marketing sweet-spot and starts mocking the next as media starts to move to them. How is the current generation of nerds/fanboys/obsessives worse than the previous one?
>>14277978
The worst things about them is that there are not enough of them and they have no desire to move out of their baby food comfort zone.
The best way to make money in anime is to make something with appeal to the greater population. However modern otaku usually hate anything not made for them. So what would be good for the anime industry would be to make a mix of otaku focused shows for sure money and crossover shows that would at least break even or if they are lucky make them a pile of cash and bring in new viewers. Instead you have 90% or more otaku shows because otaku react with a burn it with fire attitude to anything not made for them alone. Which is why the anime industry gets smaller every year.
are there no other images of Maximum? also holy shit what was nagano's aim when he came up withthis character
Nagano had been teasing GTM for a lot longer than being think. This is from Designs III
>>14279154
I think Nagano retconed him out of existence, and I am totally okay with that.
