Often, when discussing the feasibility of mek I have heard about the many shortcomings of combat systems - the high silhouette, weak armor, management complexity, and more ...
So why not start with something simpler realties such as power armor - heavily armored and equipped with powerful armament of soldiers, perhaps more promising than a walking tank...
We are discussing various power armor and combat exo suits :)
>>14227815
Power armour is just scaled down large mecha
In my opinion, this is more like a knights mechanized armor
Honestly, power suits are just as unrealistic. It all comes down to this: Why go through all the effort and expense when you can just make more tanks that work fine?
>>14228242
Tanks can't walk through doors.
>>14228242
buildup over time
tanks were originally made to cross trenches, but as the other side fielded them, they turned into their own facet of combat. I'm imagine power suits will start as a exo-frame with some extra plate armor, or as a suit designed to allow combat in chemical warfare unhindered. then as time progresses, they balloon in size and cost to defeat the enemy's version of the same thing in combat.
>>14228318
They don't need to.
>>14228331
Tanks can't access the roof of a building, either. The starting point of powered armor isn't going to be "how can we make a tank that walks?" but "how can we allow infantry to carry more supplies and bigger weapons?"
>>14228383
drone better
>>14228383
In addition, it can be very mobile infantry
>>14228331
>I have no fucking clue how anti-insurgency warfare works.
Power armor and exoskellingtons are the way to go. Power armor so the guys can sprint longer in full plates with no fatigue, exoskellingtons so they can carry 8 Spike missiles or 4 Javelins versus the two a PA can, plus M240B.
>>14228318
>>14227815
that minitank from madox was actually pretty cool
>>14227815
>mek
40k thread?
>>14228758
>I don't know how to read.
>>14228766
Basically, the goal is to make infantry with the firepower (and perhaps armor) of AFVs. Make them agile enough to outmaneuver anti-armor weapons and strong enough to field anti-armor weapons themselves, while possibly being resilient enough to resist anti-infantry weapons,
For example, an exoskeleton could allow a guy to carry and fire 6 AT missiles and a machine gun by himself while still being able to take cover. It would be even better if he was armored enough that small arms can't hurt him, or at least it would take a lot of firing to kill him, but armor is a bitch.
>>14228798
EXCEPT THEY ACTUALLY OBJECTIVELY LITERALLY DO FUCKING NEED TO YOU DENSE APE.
And if you're objective is just "blow up the whole building because who gives a shit if it's actually a real elementary school/hospital", then you can just use a fucking air strike.
>>14227867
his shoulder look like it's dislocated.
>>14228766
What happens when they run out of fuel, or when something breaks down?
>>14229023
What happens when a regular soldier runs out of food or his gun breaks?
>>14228242
You're on to something there. That's probably also the reason why every single military in the world completely stopped using infantry after WWII and put that money into more tanks.
>>14228242
>Honestly, power suits are just as unrealistic
Power suits are actually more feasible than humanoid/bipedal mechs or gigantic bolo tanks. I'll concede that it's probably better to just advance the technology of conventional tanks and infantry. The appeal of power suits is that they offer large amount of small arms support in a relatively small package. It's better to think of it as a low-profile, highly maneuverable weapons platform. They can get to places and through terrain that tanks can't, all the while having firepower and (depending on the fiction) more strength, speed, armor, and maneuverability.
Over conventional mecha or even drone mecha, there's no need to devote a large part of the system processing power to control limbs to navigate the environment since the person in the suit can just use his own natural motor functions and their own judgement of the environment and situation. Also, big mecha have the same large-profile problem that tanks and other heavy armored vehicles do.
The down side of power suits compared to large armor and mecha, the weapons they carry will be fairly small by comparison. Compared to a infantry, it'll require more maintenance.
>>14229023
You refuel/fix it.
If this is unfeasible, you've lost the war already, pack up and go home. Supply lines are more important than front lines. Not to mention
>modern armies
>supply lines cut
>ever
Who fucking cares how tinpot despots and juntas operate them?
>>14229032
You're comparing apples and oranges mate.
I liked that part in the Forever War where they had this grueling training with powered vac suits on atmosphereless planetoids, where falling on your back could and did kill you because the suit's radiators made the frozen gas explode or bending them meant the suit's reactor cooked you, and then they got dropped on a tropical beach for their first engagement.
>>14228242
Because Air force will tear the tanks apart.
They can't deliver nukes oversees
Navy will blow the fuck out of them.
Nukes will kill them.
Why not just make more fighter plans and bombers instead of wasting money on the useless land whale of steel?
>>14228331
Which is why anon you are not working with military but posting on Laos Cloth dying board.
Unless you are a ruskie who resolve a hostage situation with ballistic missiles.
>>14227815
Anyone else miss loadout pics like this?
>>14229544
Damn right I do.
>>14228318
Neither could power armor, even bomb suits have trouble getting through doors. Once you put the stuff on power armor you want and still fit a person inside it's too big to work like infantry.
>>14229566
Sauce?
>>14229544
>>14230040
"Aestivalis" and "Nergal" mean it's from Nadesico.
Would powered armor be good for snipers? Automated rappelling, automated aiming, jump jets for evac if their position is spotted?
>>14229566
>>14229544
cannon fodder and transportation sold separately.
>>14230426
You do understand that snipers primarily operate on the concept of NOT being noticed?
And if exo suite armed with a very powerful gun, and relies on the range and lethality?
>>14230659
Properly camouflaged exo will do the same anon, only with bigger calliber and easier shift.
Its not like they run on noisy diesel or something, like tanks.
Remember the 'important rules' of theses thread :
Exoskeleton / exomechs
> will always be ambushed, always
> can only fight standing without any cover
> have ultrasophisticated sensor built precisely to reduce situation awareness
> operate isolated of any form of intel
> turn every single enemy soldier in the vicinity into expert Anti-exoskeleton teams just by existing
> must be fixed, refueled, every hours on the field, preferably in plain sight
> can't use tactics, instead fighting on intuition.
> recruit at the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy
> are always less than the sum of their parts
'The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
>>14229566
Does this aesti actually exist or is just fanart?
Looks like dragonar BTW
>>14230682
Just because you have something bigger than an assault rifle and are a good shot with it doesn't make you a sniper Being able to find a hiding spot in a place without a hiding spot and sit there for a week waiting for the target regardless of food, weather, or the fact that you made your hiding spot in a bed of ants, and then sneaking out, is what makes you a sniper.
What you have here is just a really expensive sharpshooter.
>>14231210
If I camouflage a tank and modify it to somehow run on batteries and still have a useful amount of horsepower, it's still a fucking tank that tends to leave a trail of destruction anywhere it moves due to it's size and weight. Any power armor is only going to be as stealthy as it's actuators, the sound of a ton hitting the ground, and the sound of collapsing rooftops because third world countries tend not to be up to code.
>>14230495
That reminds me, halo legends had a exo suit that apparently regular humans could use. it was pretty neat
>>14232618
If detection system get as good and as widespread as I expect it to, you won't be able to hide a Sniper anymore.
We have project using micro on all helmet of a team to pinpoint the direction a shot came from. Vehicle mounted ones too.
Lens flare will be the least of a snipers' problem.
To join in on that tank discussion, that's a Hollywood-accurate description of tank operation. I fear we will drag the discussion just explaining why.
Also, exoskeletons aren't nearly as noisy and heavy as you imply. They are also the only way to hypothetically reach inhuman precisions.
We already have rifles prototype that nearly aims themselves. Using a HULC type exoskeletons to carry that and an hypothetical invisible-stealth-coat could allow sniper to shoot from as far as they can see.
...meaning of course rifle with incredible recoil, good thing you'll have an exoskeleton.
>>14227815
cool pic and booru'd
>>14228242
Why waste money on a military when you can just build railguns and stick them in orbit? Or launch nukes?
>>14228323
>a suit designed to allow combat in chemical warfare unhindered
We have those already.
>>14230426
>Would powered armor be good for snipers?
Not really.
>automated aiming
Not needed. Snipers today can get hits at 2km, sure extra range is nice but when you weigh "nice to have" vs. "is it needed", it just isn't required.
>Automated rappelling
>jump jets for evac
You've been watching too much fiction. Snipers is urban areas usually aren't climbing up or down the outside of buildings and in non-urban settings they aren't climbing bare cliff faces. If your position is blown, you're either going to get a bomb or artillery/mortar shell dropped on you, or counter sniper fire. If it is the shell/bomb, you probably won't know until it is too late. Same goes for counter sniper fire, unless the other guy sucks. Turning yourself in to a human+ sized clay pigeon isn't a good idea in either case.
>>14231210
>only with bigger calliber
I think you have misjudged the job of a sniper. There aren't many targets they are faced with that would need more power/range then they can get from a .50cal (or .338 or .300, etc.). They aren't there to take out a command level officer sitting in the back of an AFV by shooting through the armor, they'll wait until he pops his head out to yell at some junior officer.
>>14237538
>Snipers today can get hits at 2km
kek
Sniper at best can only accurately hit by 900m max, anon, thing you describe is either very lucky or need alot of shoot, even then still pretty much luck. Even when your shit has max of 2km like 50. Barrets, no sniper ever dare to shot pass even 800m
why?
Because you cannot see your shit m8, also take account to gravity, wind, and possibilities of obstruction.
It will be alot of pain to count that single 10% hit shot from 2k distance.
So why you must waste your position, paper, pencils and time by fire repeatedly at the same thing to get that good 2k when you can get single easy computer assisted shot?
>they'll wait until he pops his head out to yell at some junior officer.
Priority changes when war changes anon
When in future, when most priority target get all those delicious exo's, you gonna need that big caliber, since the fucking hell you want to wait someone to go outside their exo's when he can yell without even go out their suit?
>>14228131
>dat oldschool CRT head mounted display
sexy.
>>14237538
Nice disinformation : 2km hit is like world record worthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills
Nice double standard : If your position is blown you are more likely to survive within an armored suit than without. And the more networked you are, the more likely you are to be alerted if you got busted.
Show what you know : easy-grappling-rappelling would be a godsend for special force unit in fact I'm assuming they already have it, same as strength augmentation once we get from prototype to common tech.
There's also a lot to be said about the role of sniper now, someday they won't be able to hide while weapon are bound to get more and more precise. I can foresee the day when all front-line soldier have robotized-gun with targeting camera linked to their Head-display & automatic firing solution.
Hell, we'll have chap apps that improve accuracy even aiming manually.
The way I figure it, you've got three points to balance out.
Light Weight
Heavy Firepower
Heavy Armor
Firepower and Armor are self explanatory but low weight also makes a whole lot of other problems easier to deal with. Like power demands and mobility. A low weight also means you can travel indoors and take cover more easily.
But just being light weight doesn't actually help you any so I propose a modular system. Start with a lightweight framework of actuators and structural bits and add weapons and armor packages as the war evolves.
For anti-guerilla warfare you go with heavy armor. 150 pounds of armor and maybe 30 pounds of weapons. Think an EOD suit with ceramic plates and kevlar added and then just a M4 carbine with a half dozen reloads. 20 pounds of water, coms, and detection gear as the soldier sees fit. Great for street to street fighting and surviving IEDs. Not so great against tanks.
For more symmetric fighting go with more weapons. 50 pounds of armor for modern body armor and some additional blast padding and then 100 pounds of weapons.That's enough to carry a fully assembled 81mm mortar or a number of other normally crew served weapons single-handedly. You can also carry anti-tank and anti-air missiles and arm the entire squad with them. The weight is a non-factor with the exoskeleton doing most of the work.
You can also mix and match. An M240 with ironman ammo carrier and M32 grenade launcher would be somebody's wet dream. Add double the standard armor or add a state of the art E-war suite.You get to decide.
Pic unrelated, kinda
>>14228331
Because they have infantry support. I mean, sure, you could drive a tank through a building but that's just asking to get buried or get stuck in the cellar or something equally embarassing.
The main problem with infantry support is that it's not compatible with active defense systems. You're using bombs to shoot down anti-tank warheads after all.
Another issues is that a tank is hard to hide and with modern air power a tank is too much of a target. No, you want to use infantry since dug in infantry is very hard to uproot no matter what you do.
>>14233650
Once the Hrunting\Yggdrasil is Mass Produced...
>>14237965
Does nobody think it's weird we used to point electron particle accelerators directly at our faces? No, Just me?
>>14233650
Be Human was cliché but worth it for that BONES animation. Plus muh reen was cute.
>>14237288
>forward assist placed forward of the BCG
>that awkward fucking CTR stock
wwwwwww, has this nigga even touched an AR?
>>14229107
Uh no, Anon has a valid point.
If an engagement goes on for so long that the equipment runs out of juice, then you either abandon it or scuttle it. You don't just abandon all hope because one thing has stopped working, you carry the fuck on until you complete your mission, failing that you call in support if available.
>>14243523
Try attaching PA units to APCs. The armors can tap into the APC's electricals to keep their batteries topped off as well as carry spare parts. Ofcourse, depending on the size of the PA, you might need to redesign the interior of the APC.
Really, it's just an extension of mechanized infantry doctrine at that point.
>>14228902
thanks rob
>>14228395
misused underrate villain
>>14229063
That's only power armored i really want to wear
>>14228242
DO YOU WANT TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN INFANTRY AND ARMORED VEHICLES?
IM PRETTY SURE THAT THE GENERALS WOULD LOVE THE IDEA OF HEAVY INFANTRY WITH HIGH MOBILITY BEING ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH TANKS AND IFV'S IN MANOUVER WARFARE, GIVING THEM PROTECTION AGAINST INFANTRY AND ALIKE.
