Say what you will about Macross, but you cannot deny that the VF-1 is the pinnacle of all transforming mecha. Modularity, functionality, aesthetics- it has the perfect balance of all three.
I love it but VF-19 is better.
>>14215593
Agreed
>>14215593
>>14215603
VF-19 has one of the worst Gerwalks though.
>>14215588
>but you cannot deny that the VF-1 is the pinnacle of all transforming mecha. Modularity, functionality, aesthetics
I disagree with all of those. I think it looks good in fighter and gerwalk but battroid is the weakest mode for me. Legs have to disconnect from the body of the plane and re-attach via a panel system is pretty badly designed. That's why the VF-0 and VF-1 toys use a swing bar system. The way the legs look when attached to the nose in battroid never looked good to me. It looked like a stray bullet could blow the legs off easily. The wings have to shrink in 2D animation to allow enough room for the legs to move or else they'd clip/collide with the wings in battroid mode. That's why most games and 3D models have the wings spread out in battroid. You can see this in episode 3 of Macross Delta, the VF-1EX never has it's wings closed otherwise the hips would be clipping through the model.
>>14216155
I agree with that. And the fact that the torso is obviously just the front half of a plane. A big reason why I prefer the later VF designs.
>>14215588
VF-1 and VF-19 are the only memorables ones
>>14216238
>What is YF-21
>What is VF-22
>>14216265
Not to mention the one VF line that managed to outlive either of those two prototypes.
>>14216155
The upper thigh joints are the only iffy part, but the VF1J is probably the best looking Valkyrie IMO, followed by the ones from II.
>>14215625
Too be fair most gerwalk modes look like shit.
>>14215588
>Modularity, functionality, aesthetics- it has the perfect balance of all three.
Canon fuckery aside, Zeta Plus beats it on all three counts.
>>14216303
I do love that concealed gunpod.
>>14216496
What modularity? It can't even equip packs for different missions.
>>14216508
I love the high speed gerwalk mode myself. Plus I've always had a massive hardon for the Have Blue.
>>14216512
>expecting UC fags to understand words
![yf-21-gerwalk[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/IkP4AVd.gif "yf-21-gerwalk[1].gif")
>>14216265
I like the YF-21 and all, but what's the point of its Gerwalk mode when the thrusters aren't in the feet?
>>14216543
It has thrusters in the feet.
>>14216512
I presume he means that the Zeta Plus has so many different variants like the Zeta Plus A, Zeta Plus B, Zeta Plus C1 and so on. They're all pretty similar though and even mostly have the same armament, occasionally switching between a beam smart gun and a normal beam gun instead or something. I'd say the VF-1 is far more modular thanks to the mission packs though, and also a better looking suit since it looks good in all forms and I'm not really a fan of the Zeta Plus' waverider form.
I'm not even sure what you'd compare functionality on though honestly. I mean, they both work. So what else can you really say?
>>14216517
It looks like it's leaning forward to look at something to me. Can't say as I like that angling. A different angle on it from that picture might compliment more though.
>>14216543
secondary thrusters , therefore it can eject its limbs in case of catastrophic damage and still be airworthy
>>14216543
>>14216546 is correct, the engines are in the back but the regular verniers of VFs have always been of more than sufficient power to hover so they just put some in the feet.
>>14216550
>>14216543
Go watch the anime again, the 21 has Harrier vents on the underside of the leg bay.
>>14216265
Sturmvogel a cute
![15334885272_10cc07e13d_o[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/69Jx0bp.jpg "15334885272_10cc07e13d_o[1].jpg")
>>14216517
>>14216550
Interestingly, I can't recall a single instance where the elbow guns are ever used. They were just too redundant with chest guns already there I suppose, which explains why the 171 did away with them.
>>14216618
171 does still have them actually.
I always liked Ozma's but that's cause I'm into heavy armor units
>>14216496
Don't you mean the ZZ?
>>14215588
>aesthetics-
to what at least explain what you fucking mean.
>>14216952
i'm guessing he means it looks nice
>>14216952
The fuck do you think it means.
>>14216921
ZZ is literally everything wrong with transforming mecha consolidated into one package.
>>14216980
you tell me what he fucking means without context .
>>14217020
He means aesthetics. Which is basically a synonym for looks. You don't need context for that.
>>14216983
>>14216921
>>14216496
Step aside EX-S gundam got this
>>14217020
Go hit the books, ESL shitter.
>>14216496
>>14216921
>>14217055
boxy shit get out stay out
>>14217055
I love the Ex-S, but I'm not going to lie and say it transforms into anything other than some sort of sex toy for aliens. Shit's awful.
>>14217055
That's not how you spell Gaia Gear Alpha.
>>14215588
I like the Methuss/ZII/Rezel system. Asshimar is cool too
VF-25 is my favourite. Sue me.
I'm guessing Transformer designs are frowned upon in these sort of threads due to their impracticality, but personally I think G1 Prowl/ the datsun bros are a perfect mix of iconic design and interesting transformation. Personally I like my transforming robots to really look like they're made up of vehicle parts, rather than turning into a regular mecha. that's why I've never cared for transforming Gundams.
I know it's very impractical as far as movement goes, though. Which is probably worse as its a character and not a piloted mecha(beyond Diaclone, at least), and it limits his posing. I'd love to see Kawamori do revisions of TF designs with his considerations in place; too bad last time that happened transfag spergs pissed and moaned over hip flanks.
>>14217101
I'll sue you for having good taste.
>>14217106
I think TF designs are okay when it comes to land vehicles but their fighter transformers are always awful since you look under the fighter mode and whoops there's half the robot sticking out underneath.
>>14217080
It's a space pontoon boat.
>tfw the Leo is genuinely my fave mecha ever and would probably kick ass if it didn't suffer from enemies with plot armour
>>14217106
Check out the Alternity seekers, they look like something Kawamori made with his own two hands.
>>14217106
Kawamori did some Transformers?
>>14217092
>Methuss
Looks utilitarian as fuck.
Looks more like a military adaptation of a civilian machine though.
>>14217116
Unless you count Aries, Taurus, Virgo etc as having plot armor too, then not really. Which makes sense, since it's a monkey machine Tallgeese, stripped of all the really good points and in use for years because it was simple and cheap.
>>14217124
One of his early jobs was assisting in early Diaclone designs, like Battle Convoy, which became Optimus Prime(although he was one of many who helped design it). Decades later takara had him design some other things, like two small, intricately detailed toys of G1 Optimus and Cybertron/Galaxy force Optimus, and do revisions on Masterpiece Starscream. He decided to give it a more realistic color scheme, and gave it some hip flanks to keep his legs sleeker.
The knuckle-dragging American fans threw a shit-fit.
>>14217116
The Leo can't even transform, why did you bring it up?
>>14217124
He did a lot of the original Diaclone designs.
>>14217137
>The knuckle-dragging American fans threw a shit-fit.
Because the toy itself was garbage full of QC and couldn't even stand, not because of the design.
>>14217101
I love 90% of it, but it falls apart a bit at the back. The abdomen at crotch-jut is cool, but slightly awkward to me. I feel like with a few revisions it'd be perfect.
>>14217147
I bought the toy at 14 or 15 and had no issues with it. Some people are just retarded.
>>14217137
A lot of people complained about MP starscream not just American fans.
Mainly because people wanted cartoon accurate designs and colors.
Not that it matters, the mold is shit anyway, and the newer versions of it are even worse.
>>14217136
I know, I know. I just love how utilitarian it looks, plus underdog rooting and all that.
>>14217141
Because It's 2am here and my flight is delayed so I'm suprised I even made it this far typing before falling asleep.
![sv-262ba-gerwalk[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FGOKEZI.jpg "sv-262ba-gerwalk[1].jpg")
What do you think about the new Draken?
I quite like the gerwalk mode with the top mounted cannon. Wish the fighter mode had a pointier nose and thinner intakes like the real Draken though.
>>14215588
Does it at least have a combat knife or something
I can't get into mecha that don't do at least some close combat, zipping around like an aeroplane is fine and all but machines shaped like men need to cut a bitch
>>14217192
The most unique transformation of all the VFs.
>>14217228
Later models have knives but the VF-1 is pretty naked.
>>14217228
Nope. Variable fighters didn't get any real melee potential till the YF-19, and that was only via a pin-point punch. They didn't get an actual knife till the VF-25.
>>14217249
>and that was only via a pin-point punch
That sounds incredibly sexual though, if it's what it sounds like it is, by which I mean fatally punching someone with a forcefield
>>14217246
>>14217254
That's exactly what it is, though I'm not sure anyone actually did that. Basara was the big VF-19 user, and he wasn't a fighter.
>>14217155
People being retarded doesn't explain having to make a newer and more stable version later on.
By the way, it was the Japanese who decided that, not the Americans.
>>14217267
Isamu and Guld used them, and then there's those three VF171 pilots in Frontier.
>>14217267
>>14217112
The newer designs are better at it. Really the issue is that TF is the anti-Macross in that it keeps going back to old design styles
Don't think many people here would like it, but TF Prime Soundwavehad a really interesting design. It turns into a drone aircraft. The toy manages to have a very sleek profile. I'd love to see such a design handled with a bigger budget.
VF-31 is the best
>>14217339
She comes in so many flavors.
![2016-04-14_05h42_40[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6IXnngG.jpg "2016-04-14_05h42_40[1].jpg")
>>14217343
VF-31A a best.
>>14217358
Best at jobbing because that's what it did the recent episode. Poor girl.
>>14217364
Speaking of the recent episode
SOUND BOOSTERS ARE SHIT
>>14217370
Why?
>>14215588
>aesthetics
Gerwalk looks stupid, I say Zeta Gundam is the pinnacle, or Cathedral Terra but it only transforms in a single scene.
>>14217379
>gerwalk
>not beautiful
>>14217379
You look stupid. Can't expect a Gurren Laggan fag to have good taste.
>>14217379
>>14217379
>zeta gundam
>literally a valkyrie wannabe
>pinnacle of anything
>>14215588
Nope. VF-1's legs detach during transformation, which is a really bad design.
>>14215603
Nope. VF-19 is physically impossible. Magical neck covers and stuff. Arms that phase through the legs in Fighter Mode.
>>14217101
This man has the right idea. The VF-25's design actually works.
>>14217562
>VF-19 is physically impossible.
It's more physically possible than say the VF-17 or 22.
>>14217578
Yeah, but it still has weird compromises in order to transform. All the 90s Valkyries have that problem. Except the VF-11. It pretty much works.
Honestly, I don't like the VF-25's looks that much, but... I consider the accuracy of the transformation to be more important. That's just me personally, though.
>>14217593
The major problem with the 19 family is the backside of the legs. There's a large chunk of it missing since there need to be space for the shoulders to rest. Some modern toys come with filler pieces to make this less of a problem. The VF-1 also has this problem with the sides of battroid mode. Yamato toys come with vent/spacer parts to make that side of battroid more attractive.
>>14217593
Amusingly enough the 24 series transformation is heavily based on the 19's.
>>14217640
Yeah, except it doesn't require magical filler parts.
>>14217643
Well that's what the switch to CG required, personally I felt the proportion tweaking of modes in his drawn designs looked a lot better than one model that has to fit together perfectly in all three.
>>14217655
I like it when the toys can be show-accurate without any nonsense required.I think the YF-29 is the coolest looking Valkyrie. I fucking love the wings and the spinny turret thing.
>>14217659
Yeah but then you run into the problem of these busy ass battroid modes, like the 29 for example where the whole fucking wings hang off the back, and don't even get me started on the disaster that was the 30. Props are due for the Draken avoiding those problems with the novel transformation mechanic though.
>>14217680
I think it's fine if it looks "busy" so long as they have actual functions. The 29's wings aren't for show, they have engines and missile pods built in.
>>14217680
The busyness isn't the fault of the transformation though, that's just a stylistic choice.A style I like.
>>14217698
Right, but there was little effort to stow the wings at all. The 27 has much larger engine pods but still ends up looking smaller since the whole wing folds up.
>>14217753
The wings do actually close up a little bit.
>>14217753
The 29 has super packs that fit over a large part of the wing.
>>14217762
I wish you hadn't reminded me, I like the base design a lot but those super parts were horrible
>>14217753
Green 27 is the best YF-24 series variant.
>>14217806
Was it even different other than the paint job?
>>14217814
It didn't have the antlers.
>>14217339
>>14217358
>runs out of gas far quicker than any of the previous VF's
HA
>>14218087
The hell are you talking about? All VFs use propellant for their super parts when in space, this is just the first time we've seen it actually on screen before. They have unlimited fuel in atmosphere thanks to the thermonuclear engines but still have to rely on propellant in space.
>>14216636
Ozma's head design was great. Designs like that always give me a Patlabor feel
>>14217830
?
>>14215588
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that the vf-0 is basically a vf-1 with the problem of the collapsing nosecone solved.
>>14217562
The vf-19 cheats but so does the vf-1, the shortening of the nosecone and wings get a free pass but the vf-19s legs don't?
>>14217294
>TF is the anti-Macross in that it keeps going back to old design styles
Because as you said, Burgers are a bunch of knuckle-draggers
>>14217562
Oh great, it the "muh realism is the only thing that matters" cuckold.
Three planes > One plane
>>14215588
Hahaha, great post OP.
But can it beat Nineball? I'm not talking about AC:MoA mass produced Nineball, and no, I'm not talking about CREST's Nineball with all those new and classy CREST parts and linear rifle , I'm not talking about the Code Crimson Nineball cameo either, hell, I'm not even talking about Nineball SERAPH with double MOONLIGHTs, Missiles, twin machineguns, hacked stats and trememendous precision, I'm talking about ACE3 Nineball SERAPH, with double MOONLIGHTs, optical camouflage, Itano circus farts, blaster cannon, twin beam machineguns, orbital cannons and Primal Armor.
>>14219209
You seem like a child showing off obscure video game knowledge
>>14217294
I'm not a fan if his legs now that I see him there, but I like his design overall and felt it worked in the show. I'm not a fan of Transformers though and have only seen the American stuff, G1 aside. I also commit a cardinal sin, and prefer Beast Machines to Beast Wars.
>>14219248
>Not aware of the Madara Uchiha copypasta
Hahaha, great post Anon.
>>14219263
It's possible to be both aware of that copypasta and to think you're being childish and showing off videogame knowledge. One doesn't count out the other. And also to think that your post makes no sense given that it's a pasta about powerwank, while OP is posting an opinion and doesn't say a word about it's relative strength.
>>14219248
It was just for a quick laugh anon, no need to get so defensive.
And if you think that Nineball or Armored Core is obscure videogame knowledge, especially here on /m/, I don't really know what to tell you.
>>14219203
Please leave spic, we don't need you shitting another thread with your series.
Let's be realistic, the VF-2ss is the real pinnacle. Followed closely by the VF-22s.
>>14221656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiUsoqjPjL4
>vf-2ss
>pinnacle
>doesn't even have a feasible transformation with how much anime magic goes on with it's transformation
It's fighter mode looks awful too with the stupid weirdly spaced intakes.
![img5608b23172084_l[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PllKvvD.jpg "img5608b23172084_l[1].jpg")
>>14218960
That's the commander version
>>14219282
Ok well you've got severe issues if that's the vibe you got from the post. Ease up buddy
