>>14198475
IBO was just that bad.

>>14198475
what were IBO's sales in the end?

>>14198492

01巻 *8,398(**,856) 10,236(**,***) 15.12.24 ※合計 11,092枚
02巻 *6,865(**,791) *8,334(**,***) 16.01.29 ※合計 *9,125枚
03巻 *6,691(*1,064) *7,608(**,***) 16.02.24 ※合計 *8,672枚
04巻 *6,021(**,701) *7,366(**,***) 16.03.25 ※合計 *8,067枚

Over 8k copies for first 4 volumes.
No total numbers for volume 5 yet

Someanithing says
>G Tekketsu v5 sells 5618/663, total 6,281.

>Comparing OVAS to TV shows
>Comparing UC OVAs to TV shows

Come on son

>>14198475
>Early UC OVA sells more copies than new TV AU

If you think long and hard about it you'll figure it out OP.

Gee I wonder why I never saw a thread like this when G-Reco was being released and Origin was coming out to rave sales

>>14198549
Because we had constant G-Reco shitpost threads up almost 24/7 and people were busy throwing around the volume 1 3.5k number, remember?

>>14198549
>why dont I remember any of the shitposting about grecos sales
guess you weren't paying attention
this happens every series anon

>>14198549
There were multiple threads every day for pretty much a whole year dedicated to shitposting about greco. you must be new.

>>14198475
It's rare to see a second season for an anime doing better in sales than the first season, unless they pander even more in the next one.

>>14198637
Read:Gundam Seed Destiny

>>14198475
>Macross delta selling well while IBO doing badly

I'm living on the darkest timeline of mecha anime.

>>14198675
It's not as bad as all that.
Regardless of whatever "reliable" numbers /m/ may throw out about a show they do or don't like, the fact remains that IBO s2 is going to get made. If you enjoyed IBO and want more, you're getting you're getting your wish and these numbers will not affect you in any way.

>>14198475
I haven't been paying attention, do Macross shows get free HD streams like Gundam shows do?

Also we all know that Bandai isn't in the business of selling dvd's, the show is a commercial for gunpla and that's how a show's success is measured. I know that since Bandai doesn't release sales numbers for kits you really only have dvd sales to troll with, but you do realize that this is pointless, ya?

>>14198500
>>14198507
Is this better or worse than AZ's first season sales? Those numbers are worse than I thought.

>>14198864
>I haven't been paying attention, do Macross shows get free HD streams like Gundam shows do?
Nah. Kawamori actually wants it, but you know, legal issues and all

>Also we all know that Bandai isn't in the business of selling dvd's, the show is a commercial for gunpla and that's how a show's success is measured
Good luck convincing people here about that. If they see a chance to troll, they will

>>14198870
It's about equal. Also that's not really bad numbers. AGE and Try are "bad numbers"

>>14198864

Macross doesn't get streams thanks to the legal wrangle with Harmony Gold, which means it's one of the few shows getting actual subs nowadays.

>>14198870

It's pretty average sales. Not great, but not bad either. Shows that do 15k plus are pretty rare and held as hot shit really.

>>14198880
They aren't bad but I'd expect at least something 12-15k. Macross looks like it will be around there so far. It's not unheard of for tv series to reach there. We just had osomatsu come out and do over 40k iirc.

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>>14198882
>few shows getting actual subs nowadays

>we live in a world where subtitles made by amateurs and illegally distributed through TV rips are considered to be "actual subs", while the subtitles made by officially licensed career translators are not considered to be "actual sub"

>>14198475
You're retarded, son. You can't compare OVAs (or movies) to TV series. And you certainly can't compare Macross to Gundam. Delta is the first Macross in 8 years, with Gundam on the other hand we have several series and OVAs per year.

Also, IBO is the best selling TV Gundam since 00. It's selling more than G-Reco and GBF, and of course is selling more than AGE that was a flop and Try that had mediocre sales. IBO is far from being the sales disaster you're implying it to be.

>>14198887
You make it sound like shows like Osomatsu come out all the time. Even the staff doesn't know what happened there

>>14198675
Because nips eat idolshit.

>>14198500
The wiki stops tracking the volumes after the second or third week, use Someanithing instead, it has the total numbers:
V01 13,124
V02 10,285
V03 9,638
V04 8,341

Delta appeals to long time Macross fans, and the new idol fans who came from stuff like Love Live
IBO kind of alienates the pre-00 Gundam fans

>>14198882
>Macross doesn't get streams thanks to the
So other than broadcast, anyone who wants to rewatch it has to buy it.
While anyone who wants to rewatch IBO doesn't have to buy it.

Gee, I wonder why Macross sells more dvd's than a show you can watch anytime for free...

>>14198994
Are you trying to imply that gaijin have a significant impact on anime sales, while also forgetting that video rental places are a thing that exist?

It's good for Bandai that their series is doing fairly well though, especially with Derringer's comment on how the Barbatos kit sold. Now just give me some Hyakuren variants.

What makes Gundam profitable is the Gunpla sales.

Isn't that the same for Macross?

Isn't from the idol singles and concerts where the actual money comes from?

>>14199044
Gundam yes. Macross it's kind of a combination of discs, models and music

>>14199040
Based on Japanese model blogs and sites, Barbatos, the first couple graze, and grimgerde were all massively popular with modelers, especially customizers.

The brewers and Turbines MS were noticeably far less popular though. Nobody seems to have really given a shit about them and of them only Gusion even got a 1/100.

>>14198675
As a proud hater of most idol-related stuff, Delta is pretty good so far. It helps that the idols besides Freyja have gotten fuck-all focus.

>>14199091
>The brewers and Turbines MS were noticeably far less popular though. Nobody seems to have really given a shit about them and of them only Gusion even got a 1/100.
Well then maybe they should have done more than next to nothing with them.

>>14199126
Agreed. The Brewers were absolutely pathetic in their own arc. They beat up a Graze and mobile worker and then proceeded to get their asses stomped by everything. Even Gusion spent the fight running away from Barbatos while getting its shit pushed in.

>>14198919
>Let me enjoy "IBO sucks" meme in peace, please

>>14199040
>gaijin
I said nothing of the sort. Where did you even get that idea?
OP's sales figures are for japanese domestic sales, are they not? Gundaminfo is not blocked in japan like it is for us gaijin (lol proxy), so no one in japan *needs* to buy IBO dvd's to be able to watch the show whenever they want. It's only natural for a show that is freely available any time on gundaminfo to not sell as many physical copies as a show you can only watch by buying a physical copy or tuning into the broadcast at a specific time.

>>14199044
This is true. These aren't direct-to-video releases where the show itself is the actual product. Sales of dvd's are pretty much irrelevant as a measure of the success of these shows. Success of Gundam shows is measured in gunpla sales (which is why the show is available for free, because it's an advertisement for the models), and Macross is different only in terms of the type of paraphernalia being sold (albums and live shows).

>>14199139
IBO's episode playlists are also blocked in Japan. Fire up a proxy site or vpn and try to watch them; you'll get the same "uploader hasn't made this video available within your country" message westerners get. Why would you think they'd make available foreign-language hardsubbed episodes available to them on youtube, when they could just give them the original source?

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>>14198891
Believe it or not, that's actually the case most of the time. Crunchyroll in particular is bad about this, changing the names of all sorts of series to only very vaguely similar if at all versions in English, even when the name in English is already in the work. They also tend to have somewhat inaccurate translations from time to time for no reason. For example, a series I've been watching just this season, a character said what is effectively, "I haven't had doughnuts in forever!" but that was translated as, "I want donuts!"

Frankly, it can go either way regardless of whether amateur fans or professionals are responsible, for various reasons.

>>14199040
>Derringer
Who also said MG was dead

>Thunderbolt and P. Zaku MGs inbound.

AHAHAHAHA!

>>14199138
What that anon leaves out though is that IBO has been pushed by Bandai far more than any TV Gundam after AGE. GBF and G-Reco's performances are based more around their own merits, whereas IBO was given a way better timslot, character-based merchandise, half-price vol 1 with promo code, a dub announced as it started, streaming on all the major sites, 1/100 NG line, etc.

IBO is doing okay, but the fact is Banrise expects more out of it than G-Reco or either Build Fighters. Is such a small growth worth all the extra effort they've put into promoting IBO? That's something we're going to have to wait and see. The changes we see in Season 2, that's how we'll know what Bandai thinks of it's performance.

>>14198475
>What caused IBO to do so poorly compared to these

Spending 13 episodes in a ship doing fucking nothing.

>>14199504

Viewership was low way before then.

>>14198475
Because Thunderbolt is actually good.

>>14198475
>What caused IBO to do so poorly compared to these, which are on track to sell well over 10k(at least over 40k in Thunderbolt's case)
Uh...IBO v1 sold over 10k. Delta is tracking to sell about the same and its been tracking worse than IBO.

>>14198979
Delta only appeals to Macross fans. Idol fans are buying Love Live Sunshine

>>14200382
Considering how much Bandai and Sunrise pushed IBO those sales aren't very good at all.

>>14200600
It's doing average. Why do people think that a show being "pushed" is the only reason it gets any attention? There are plenty of shows that have been pushed hard -- even movies that are pushed hard -- that totally and utterly flop.

Anyway Gundam IBO has okay sales. Not great. I think in general sunrise did a very strange thing with it. A lot of non-gundam and non-mecha fans seem to like it more than the mecha fans, content-wise, but Barbatos is selling very well. The show would have just been better off not as a gundam show, period, I think.

>>14200611
Because it has significantly more advertising than the other Gundam's did, they're putting a lot more money into marketing IBO than to they did any other series. It's sales and GReco's sales shouldn't be comparable. Like this anon pointed out>>14199476.

When they mean advertising they mean a combination of character based merchandise, spreads in magazines, timeslot, etc.

While IBO's sales are okay in the current anime market, from the perspective of Bandai and Sunrise it isn't.

>>14199246
>that's actually the case most of the time.
>only names one example of the 100s of shows in their catalog

Huh. And if you think that translation is bad, look at how gg is fucking butchering Delta. Swear words and localisations galore.

>>14200694
>[gg]
>Literally memesubs

>>14200731

> [gg]
> literally onlysubs

Not that all the memes, cursing and localisation appears to obscuring understanding anyway.

>>14198919
Sorry son, but you're comparing IBO with the worst fiascos made by Sunrise wiithin the Gundam franchise. 00 is way too overrated, AGE was terrible, G-Reco didn't have enough everything and GBF was only a gigantic plamo selling commercial for brainless brats (and Rinko porn, mind you)

Face it, IBO was way too ambitious, but suffered from Okada Syndrome and failed

>>14200812
>IBO was way too ambitious
>low effort, no budget soulles show was too ambitious
Whatever helps you sleep at night. IBO is literally Sunrise not even trying at all just like Try was.

>>14200812
>and GBF was only a gigantic plamo selling commercial for brainless brats
Not a bad thing though

>>14200627
>While IBO's sales are okay in the current anime market, from the perspective of Bandai and Sunrise it isn't.

What documentation do you have for that. That's not in any stock holder reports.

>>14200852
They certainly tried harder from a marketing aspect >>14200611
>>14200627
Makes me wonder what they will do with the 2nd season. Go harder with pandering and merch?

>>14201098
It wasn't marketed as hard as 00, so I wouldn't say it was THAT ambitious. They just wanted it to be their next big 50 episode series. I do think that they had mediocre ratings and disk sales but gunpla seems to have been better.

With this in mind I think they've lowered their expectations for season 2 which means even lower budget, more Grazes, more Grazes and more Grazes. Maybe they'll let the writing be a bit more adventurous since they don't care but really.
>Sunrise
>expecting a better season 2
Fucking kek

>>14201160
Normally I'd agree, but IBO is so bad at this point I don't know how it could get worse. At some point on any spectrum you just go so far off to one side you end up on the other. Like liberals that get SO militantly liberal they turn into fascists.

>>14198489

You can't just declare that Japan has shit taste for giving SEED DESTINY huge sales numbers, but then assume a different series did poorly in sales because 'it was bad'. you've already disconnected sales from quality with the first point of the argument. (unless you wanna say S:D's sales are deserved)

>>14198475

Maybe the gri/m/dark fans made a wish on a cursed monkey paw for
>A series about mercenaries
>A series set on Mars
>More Genoace

>>14201213
>I don't know how it could get worse
Easy, they swing the mood pendulum to the opposite extreme and make it ultra-kiddy instead.

>>14201160
>It wasn't marketed as hard as 00, so I wouldn't say it was THAT ambitious.
I kinda disagree. They announce a dub right after the first episode is streamed and streamed it on places other than Gundam.info. I think the ambition was there to make it the series that would truly bring Gundam to the West again.

Domestically, I think they got a big head the shows they ran with lower expectations did fairly well. G-Reco wasn't a major disaster and Build Fighters got a lot of kids building Gunpla, so they tried to make a Gundam that could work for both crowds.

>>14201317

Gundam 00 didn't get a simultaneous dub or online release, because simultaneous streaming and quick dubbing wasn't really an option at the time. That's like saying Titanic wasn't planned to be big because it didn't have an augmented reality game.

>>14201332
I know that, but you think they wouldn't have done it if it was viable back then? Ditto SEED.

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>>14198675
Satelight + AniSong = easy sell

>>14198887
Delta, right?

It's leveraging the idol subculture heavily. Frankly, you can take a shit, say it's from one of the members of AKB48, and sell it for a couple thousand dollars these days.

>>14201390
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>>14198475
>Is it possible for the second season to have better ratings and sales? Because sales are plummeting from the vol1 10k

Generally, they don't but it does happen from time to time. Usually it's later installments once the show has picked up a fanbase or increasing the amount of fanservice.

Whatever we see in the second season is going to be what they think it needs to do better. We already know it's going to have a new animation director, so we may see less instances of obvious QUALITY. If the lack of fights was a major issue with viewers, then we'll see them with more frequency. If people over there have a problem with the themes, the show will begin to tackle UNDERSTANDING. If Mika is seen as a monstrous protagonist, they'll try to make him more heroic.

You get the idea. This is one of their biggest properties right now with a lot of money invested in it. They're going to want a return on their investment.

>>14201365

Of course they would, which is why arguing that Gundam 00 wasn't given as much of a push because it didn't have those is silly.

>>14201160
>which means even lower budget
Holy fuck if this happens. Maybe throw in a dozen flashbacks an episode like destiny too.

>>14201456
But that wasn't what I was saying though. I was just arguing that the idea that they IBO was not ambitious.

It's the show Banrise is putting their money on. They want it to go over well with audiences in Japan, that's why they put it on primetime Sunday. They expect it to guide them into the West, that's why they stream it more freely. That kids will look at characters like Kudelia and Biscuit and want to buy merchandise with their faces on it.

They didn't want to risk money on one of Tomino's weird art projects, nor did they back the Build Fighters shows as much as they could have (even Try after the first show managed to be a big hit with kids). But IBO is the one that had them go all in for. It's the one they expect to succeed. There's ambition there, if not from the crew at least from the guys putting up the money.

>>14199091
Any word on how the Kimaris did?

>>14202544
>Any word on how the Kimaris did?

This an interesting question because the character himself is more popular than his mechs, particularly among female fans.

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>>14198891
Anime is niche at best and obscure at worst. There just isn't enough money in officially subbing every series out there or even the majority. Japan really puts out far too many shows each year at the same time for that to ever even be a dream. The best we can hope is the studios actually find a way to band together and create a deal with netflix or someone similar to make a anime only streaming service and through said streaming service they employ people to professionally sub anime. Its just too easy to pirate anime and BRs aren't worth it, especially if there is no one way to view a series before you buy it.

>>14198475
Why would anyone buy IBO for 2-3 episodes per disc when jack shit happens for 70% of the episodes?

>>14198891
1.The people who do it as a personal passion will do the legwork and are involved with the project and the medium to do a good jobl

2.They are also involved enough with the anime niche to do a better job of selling it.

3.They're not a bunch of english major drop outs who'll do beyond piss poor jobs of shoe horning deeply un poetic or just plain shit bad translations in just to be pedantic pretentious faggots.
LIke the whole "nakama" debacle. Every single sub group on the entire fucking earth ran with nakama. It was an unstated thing. The official guys got a hold of it and did just a shit job of translating One Piece and decided "friends" was good enough and they've been throwing chris croker tier bitch fits ever since. Even better?

4.Official subs are the only game in town because there was a big fucking thing a while back to completely destroy the unofficial sub groups. Which had the side effect of basically assfucking anime as a really popular and profiable niche thing that pulled in money regardless of what kind of actual marketing was done.

>>14203695
Well, he has a point.
If they wanted it to be a charater drama show then they really should have nailed their character down and you know...had an actual solid conflict to deal with. Not nebulous shit that didn't crystalize into anything till the last 3ish eps.
Everything that happened then should have happened in the first 5 eps. With ein only having to become a full cyborg that's permanently fused to his gundam because of mika.
Hell ein vs mika for multiple eps should have been a thing. But nope. Last second thing.
Christ.
I'm still pissed that we missed out on gats's fight. HIm standing on top of a mountan of mech corpses a sword in two hands and his broken fourth arm being used as a club in the other.
It must have been fucking awesome.

>>14198475
Which is more important to a Gundam series /m/? BD sales or Gunpla sales?

>>14203653
Did you just wake up from a coma or something? 90% of every season is simlucast on CR or Funi. Only kid shit and licensing nightmares (like macross) get skipped.

>>14203871
Gunpla

>Thunderbolt is doing good
Yes baby

>>14198967
Source?

>>14198475
>>14198475
***,851位 (**1,342pt) [*,**7予約] 2016年07月22日 【Amazon.co.jp限定】 マクロスΔ 01 (特装限定版) (全巻購入特典:「新規描き下ろしイラスト使用 A4特製フレーム」引換シリアルコード付) [Blu-ray]
*51,143位 (***,123pt) [*,**0予約] 2016年07月22日 【Amazon.co.jp限定】 マクロスΔ 01 (特装限定版) (全巻購入特典:「新規描き下ろしイラスト使用 A4特製フレーム」引換シリアルコード付) [DVD]
***,194位 (**2,634pt) [*,**6予約] 2016年07月22日 マクロスΔ 01 (特装限定版) [Blu-ray]
**2,294位 (***,401pt) [*,**0予約] 2016年07月22日 マクロスΔ 01 (特装限定版) [DVD]

4500pts overall. It should sell around 11-12K in 2 months.
Same for volume 2:

**2,231位 (**1,007pt) [*,**3予約] 2016年08月26日 【Amazon.co.jp限定】 マクロスΔ 02 (特装限定版) (全巻購入特典:「新規描き下ろしイラスト使用 A4特製フレーム」引換シリアルコード付) [Blu-ray]
*51,438位 (***,*91pt) [*,**0予約] 2016年08月26日 【Amazon.co.jp限定】 マクロスΔ 02 (特装限定版) (全巻購入特典:「新規描き下ろしイラスト使用 A4特製フレーム」引換シリアルコード付) [DVD]
***,431位 (**1,916pt) [*,**4予約] 2016年08月26日 マクロスΔ 02 (特装限定版) [Blu-ray]
**2,407位 (***,307pt) [*,**0予約] 2016年08月26日 マクロスΔ 02 (特装限定版) [DVD]

3321pt overall.

>>14198675
Anytime autistic Gundamfags like you live is a dark time.

>>14198475
That's why Sunrise should just stick with OAV series for Gundam.

>>14208387
Please God no. The last thing the world needs is more UC OVA babies.

>>14208393
That's another issue entirely. I agree with >>14208387 and that I think Sunrise does OVAs pretty well. Akito OVAs (aka not UC era Gundam) did well and that Banco chose to only chuck UCs as Gundam OVAs is another subject to debate about.

IBO being made as an OVA would at least resulted in better mecha fights even if the script is still by Okada.

>>14198475
>What caused IBO to do so poorly
It's shit.

>>14200812
>IBO was way too ambitious
Pretty sure you mean that Banrise was expecting much more from it with that statement as the show itself is utterly unambitious.

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>>14209966
The plot would have actually been okay paced if it were a 6 episode ova, maybe with 45 minutes for each. IBO had a really dull format of talk episode to half talk half fight episode, this meant that the half and half episode rendered the first one pointless as they'd go over most of the same shit again. The show really didn't have enough plot or character development for 25 making me think it was rushed to production.

Episode 1 would be mars
Episode 2 is Mafia
Episode 3 is Pirates (could basically be cut and just have Guts talk about how he had a brother he lost with tekkadan kinda replacing him now, one episode of mostly filler isn't that bad though)
Episode 4 is Dort
Episode 5 is Earth and Carta
Episode 6 expands on the Ein part

Doesn't solve all the show's issues but it would help as we'd linger on them less, it would especially cut down on the I'm useless scenes.

>>14210772
IBO problems go beyond the writing, it's the directing and production that suck as well. There's simply a severe lack of substance or any form of value in this show.

>>14210787
Yeah, IBO's problem goes as far as how the dialogue is written making it so dull never mind it lacks any substance. But if you condensed it a lot you at least don't draw out these dull parts and it then has an excuse to be so basic

>>14210793
To be honest having the characters shut up for the whole show would improve a lot of anime.

>>14210794
Th real issue is Kudelia talking and nothing good or interesting ever came out her mouth. Just make her a box and have the show be about bromance with actual interaction and not just people plot dumping on each other, the fujos would like it at least

>>14198475
>What caused IBO to do so poorly compared to these

Everything but the Grazes.

>>14210793
>IBO's problem goes as far as how the dialogue is written making it so dull never mind it lacks any substance.

> Orga: Biscuit, I do reckless things to live up to Mika's expectations of me.
> Oh no, Biscuit's dead.
> Mika: Orga, we have to continue on to reach that happy place you promised me.
> Tekkadan: REVENGE FOR OUR FALLEN! IF ONE OF US DIES, THE REST GROW STRONGER! WE ARE NOT A CULT!
> Merribit: This is not normal behavior for kids (cries).
> Kudelia: These poor... wait, she stopped saying that a long time ago. Does she even realize how bad it is she's employing child soldiers? Or does she only see them as poor and uneducated?
> Final Battle: No named Tekkadan characters die.
> Mechanic: They can go back to being normal kids. (Merribit agrees).
> Orga: Mika, what do we do now?

So, Biscuit was holding Tekkadan back, right? And child soldiers won't have mental issues and can go back to being normal after seeing their friends die? And obtaining smuggled weapons and threatening violence with them is a-ok and not an act of terrorism because G-horn are totes corrupt?

>>14210803
I agree she was uninteresting but I don't think she's meant to be compelling. She feels like she's there to be fap bait for otaku who were worried the show would be too gay. Her blandness(so you can project anything you want), big tits, naivety, constant blushing and awkwardness etc are the sort of traits that make her doujin material

>>14211238
> Mechanic: They can go back to being normal kids. (Merribit agrees).
If you can laugh after seeing your family being slaughtered, there's no trauma!

>>14211294
There really wasn't, only Mika seems to have it but he also seems to be a tard when little. It is something that stuck out to me through the show, they were just anime normal kids

>>14211238
>NOW WE ARE CTAZY AND RECKLESS WITHOUT BISCUIT!
>LETS ACT EXACTLY HOW E HAVE BEFORE!
I really don't get how anyone could enjoy this show, it really is just trash

>Does she even realize how bad it is she's employing child soldiers? Or does she only see them as poor and uneducated?
Something something maiden of the revolution, something something it's okay she is meant to be dumb don't ask questions how she ever got anywhere is life while being so dumb

>>14211263
And yet it was Meribit that everyone wanted

>>14211238
I kinda see Biscuit as being the balance, like how in Goodfellas, shit went south when Joe Pesci's character died and deVito's character when fuck it and became more ruthless (and reckless) which lead to their downfall.

But I guess I'm giving IBO a tad too much credit.

>>14211238

Kudelia initially saw them being child soldiers as bad and something they shouldn't be doing. She stopped that though when Mika pointed out that it was a choice they were making and that gave them employment and agency rather than dying on the street. There was probably other bits too, but that's the gist of it.

Also, they didn't go back to being normal kids - they went back to being their normal selves i.e. still child soldiers who are happy to kill people for pay and have seen some shit, but willing to laugh and joke regardless.

I do agree it's shit that only Mika seems to have any kind of problems as a soldier though. Him and the Brewer's kids I suppose. That entire arc was bollocks though, so the less said the better.

So did 2chan/Japan's Gundam fandom strike back at Sunrise?

>>14211383
Makes me wonder what's the point of making them child soldiers at all if they just act like regular brats save for Mika. At the very start it felt like it was important but by the time they went to space it felt like an afterthought. They even get called "knights" and "heroes".

You guys are so sad.

>>14208351

Where are you getting the figures for Delta's BD/DVD preorders?

>>14211238
Good stories are crafted by people talking about what they are familiar with, in IBO's case, neither Nagai nor Okada had any idea of the subjects they were talking about.

>>14213923
As anyone who's wasted 8 hours of their lives watching IBO should be.

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>>14203937
I know that but that doesn't mean it reaches a wider audience either. I mean we lose an older studio nearly every year. I mean theres just too much crap pushed out at the end of the day. CR and Funi just don't have the push that distributors had in the 90s or the early 2000s. I think you are the one sleepin or something.

>>14213923
Jokes on you, I didn't even watch IBO

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>yfw IBO is actually getting a second season instead of putting the money somewhere useful

>>14217369
Like making some other children cartoon to sell toys?

The only difference being that you may like that one?

>>14217404
Yes. I'd rather they drop IBO completely and experiment with something else. I wouldn't mind waiting until 2018 for the next Gundam series.

>>14213310
Yes they dealt such a massive blow they went ahead and greenlit S2

>>14217444
This. I didn't really mind IBO that much but it'd be nice if they took a 3 year break or so to come back with something really great. We've been almost nonstop since 11, yeah? AGE ran from '11 into '12, and then the next year we got GBF, and the year after that we got Try and Reconguista, and then IBO. They need to slow their roll.

>>14217404

is this an argument at all? that is EXACTLY what he is saying yes

>>14217369
I would care if IBO had a budget to begin with

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>>14202544
You're seriously over exaggerating IBO's marketing campaign. It only got a handful of spreads, and only of the two MCs, a set of rubber straps of the main cast and some minor apparel merch. These aren't expensive or require much effort put into them. I suppose the time slot is what cost them most of their money. Did IBO get a huge ass bilborad spot on some luxurious and insanely expensive shopping complex? Because that's when you know Sunrise is shelling out on advertisement.

>>14217369
Yeah man, with that budget you could get, like, a jar of peanut butter.

>>14211238
>And obtaining smuggled weapons and threatening violence with them is a-ok and not an act of terrorism because G-horn are totes corrupt?
I see right through you, you can stop now.

>>14213923
Is this your first time here?

Ever since IBO aired It's less about shitposting and more like wallowing in self-pity.

>>14213349
People have issues empathizing with Mika as it is, some go as far as claim that Tekkadan is supposed to be the villain because of his actions. If the whole protagonist side was like Mika people would have a really hard time sympathising with their struggles.

>>14217444
They should drop Gundam altogether and finally make that T&B S2.

>>14199246
>changing the names of all sorts of series to only very vaguely similar if at all versions in English, even when the name in English is already in the work

To be fair, Japan has already done stuff like this in the past.

Sort of like how, despite us calling them Mobile Suit Gundam, Aura Battler Dunbine, and Space Runaway Ideon, the Japanese names for the shows translate more as 'Mobile Soldier Gundam', 'Holy Warrior Dunbine,' and 'Legendary Giant Ideon'.

>>14198675
Is there really no room in your autism to be objective?
IBO as a series was a horrendous waste of life and time and money for everybody involved, including the fans. I want the five-ish hours of my life it involved back, trying to give them the benefit of the doubt that it would get more interesting before I dropped it.

Instead, Macross Delta isn't particularly as interesting right now as Frontier was for the same time period, but it's still at least watchable as a show, rather than a franchise trying to beat itself into somehow generating sales for a bad iteration.
What, can you not get over your cringe over cooties from the idols?

>>14217487
Bandai literally needs Gundam to live. Periods without a flagship gundam series are periods where Bandai has to find a way to get back like 10%+ of their usual profits.

>>14219272
Not anymore. Ever since they tapped into the idolshit goldmine they should have all the money in the world to delve into more creative and demanding projects but nope.

>>14199246
Even professional translators will fuck up if you pay them peanuts and give them unreasonable deadlines.

Anime doesn't really get much respect.

>>14219275
Not really. I don't think Lovelive generates much money for Bandai at all, considering how it doesn't appear in their financial reports. I guess they'd get money indirectly from owning Sunrise,, but it doesn't seem like it lines up much with their overall business. Aikatsu was pretty big, but also just a fad that quickly fell after exploding for two years.

>>14219313
Have you seen their disc sales? It's like 60k per vol. on average. Plus a ubiquitously played mobage and merchandise. It's a money printer which has legions of autistic otaku hooked up on it like on life support.

>>14219123
>Did IBO get a huge ass bilborad spot on some luxurious and insanely expensive shopping complex? Because that's when you know Sunrise is shelling out on advertisement.

Yeah, except the example you're using is an anime that the expectations Banrise had for it and was a major hit. Something they didn't think would sell and turned up the advertising when it did.

>>14217369
Pretty much everything that come out today is shit, the only issue I have with more IBO is having to go through more of that shit for the sake of Gundam completion.

>>14219226
Problem is Sunrise execs don't give a damn about that show, even though it did well.

>>14217487
>GBF
On that note, when is that damned OVA even coming out at all?

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>>14217369
I'm happy for it because I am one of those rare people that actually enjoyed IBO. But I love every gundam show so I'm kinda bias.

The amount of assblastness this show generates over here is more entertaining than any Gundam holy shit

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>>14219275
http://www.bandainamco.co.jp/en/ir/library/pdf/annual/en_2015_annual.pdf

>>14221663
Yokai Watch pulls more revenue than Pokémon?

The fuck?

>>14219684
Okay what are you even trying to say there? I gave you a frame of reference for when Sunrise takes pushing its shit seriously. Yes, initially they didn't give a damn about T&B, which by the way had twice the QUALITY IBO had, but their expectations rose with its success. Those were still just expectations though, not a guarantee, and yet they still poured shitton of money into promotion of the first half-recap movie. It didn't sell phenomenally but they made a even bigger show of the second one.
You can really tell when Sunrise bets on something to be a huge hit. So what if IBO got a bit of hype? That's to be expected of a gundam.
I can give you another one. Sacred Seven rings a bell? It was a new IP by their top dog studio, it had gorgeous animation and a lot of advertisement. And boy did that flop.
Save for the time slot IBO cost them nothing, if they expected a big return on this they'd at least put more effort into animation cuz they've done it before. And once again there's really not that much press coverage, it still feels a bit subdued. Most of what merch it got was as a response to its popularity and has been just recently announced.

>>14221691
Yokai Watch is more popular in Asia because there's no tryhards ruining it.

>>14221691
>>14221894
That's Bandai merchandising-only. I don't think Bandai even makes much merch for Pokemon.

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>>14219684
Bullshit, I live in Japan, advertising not even comparable. Time slot was only thing that cost them a lot of money, IBO budget was shit and was not pushed as hard as people pretend. The time slot is what make people believe that because it connotes a sense of confidence in how IBO would do. But they have very low animation budget the whole time and not much advertising comparatively or official merchandise.

>>14222048
>echoing the same shit even after being proved wrong
Whatever helps you sleep at night mate.

>>14219684
Dude the only expectations IBO had were for outside Japan. So that's other Asian countries and U.S.which is a giant success. Shit is going to be announced for Cartoon Network at this rate. Making money in Japan itself is just bonus.

>>14208333
http://www.someanithing.com/3059

>>14211238
>Final Battle: No named Tekkadan characters die.
There was one guy who got his name screamed right after his MW exploded. I don't remember who it was off the top of my head, and don't feel like getting up to connect my backup drive to check and see, but at least one named Tekkadan did kersplode.

>>14223503
> Hey guys. Let's make a Gundam to appeal to where the franchise is niche, while not giving a fuck about mainstream domestic success.
> Good idea, let's do that.

Seems legit.

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>>14225017
It was Dios, one of Shino's buddies from the marines squad. The guy on the left dies in the same episode, his name's Gutts.

>>14198475
DVD/BR sales don't mean as much in the age of streaming.

How's the merch selling?

>>14224963
That's weird. IBO vol 5 is out for almost 3 weeks, but there's no number for it yet. But then you have this guy

>>14198507
saying it's only 6281. That's almost a 2k drop from vol 4.

>>14225098

Barbatos, some Graze units, and the Grimgerde sell very well. Teiwaz and Brewer kits were less popular (and saw like 30% discounts IIRC), and they make up 5 kits out of a 19 kit line. No real word on Kimaris or the Gusion Rebake, but I remember an anon in the store saying that people there were waiting to see how it performed before they bought the Kimaris Trooper.

Those face stands though, those were on sale at 150 yen (down from 500).

At least, that's what we've heard from Japan. There just seems to have been a slump in sales during the space arc.

>>14225070
>mainstream domestic success
That's what endless UC/OYM rehashes are for.
>give shitty full of QUALITY AU for filthy gaijins
>make high quality OVAs about Zeon vs Feddies for the nips